RUSSIA: THE DOWNING OF THE RUSSIAN SU-24 WAS ULTIMATELY AN AMERICAN ...
...and while we're on the subject of Russia, Syria, France, and Germany, according to his article from the U.K.'s Daily Mail which many of you sent to me, President Putin is now placing the blame for the downing of the Russian Su-24 jet very firmly not just at Mr. Erdogan's feet in Ankara, but at the feet of... well, whomever is really running things in Washington:
Turkish president warns Russia not to 'play with fire' after Putin suggested Su-24 jet was shot down after America passed on details of its flight path
In one sense, there's nothing new here from Turkey. "Good relations" is hardly a phrase that qualifies the relationship of the two countries. One need only think of the Crimean War, the previous attempt of the West to wrest control of that peninsula - traditional seat of Russia's Black Sea fleet - from Russia, with the help of the Ottoman Empire.
What is worth noting here is both something mentioned by the article, and something not mentioned by the article, and oftentimes, it's the absence of words that speaks more loudly than anything else. But first, what is mentioned:
Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan has warned Russia 'not to play with fire' after Vladimir Putin suggested the Su-24 jet was shot down after the U.S passed on details of its flight path.
Relations between the two countries have been deteriorating since Turkey shot down the Russian military plane near the Syrian border on Tuesday after claims it entered their airspace.
Moscow has threatened Ankara with economic retaliation for the incident and Putin even accused the U.S of leaking information about the flight to Turkey after they gave them prior warning of the mission.
- Regardless of whether the attacks in Paris were false flag operations or not, France, by sharing intelligence with Russia, knows there is something quite amiss, one would even say rotten, in the entire NATO command, control, and intelligence structure. Don't expect Paris to be as easy and carefree with intelligence sharing with Turkey, or its US backers, save on matters of direct threat to either;
- It also means that the French intelligence services, like Russia, have analyzed the situation in the American deep state, and have come to a similar conclusion as the Russian, namely, there there are severe fissures and cracks - factional infighting as I've called it - within the American :"deep state' between the White House and some sections of State, and the rest of the American military-intelligence complex(see today's "Tidbit" for a further corroboration of this view);
- Since Germany has indicated its willingness to provide supporting operations to France in Syria, this means the "intelligence sharing" likely involved the German services as well, and again, for similar reasons, butressed by German anger at American spying on German leaders(remember the NSA-Merkel cellphone incident).
What thus appears to be emerging is a de facto establishment of new relationships in intelligence between the three countries, and all grounded in the possible conclusion that each country is perceiving dangerous splits within the American deep state. This intelligence sharing is also going to be focussed on longer term analysis of the state sponsors behind IS, and in geopolitical-intelligence terms, that's an earthquake, for we all kjnow who those countries are... More importantly, Turkey's presence within NATO now means that the alliance itself is fracturing in a severe faction, and that in France's case at least, if not Germany's, the conclusion has probably been reached that NATO institutions - particularly its command, control, and intelligence functions - can no longer be blindly trusted. Let that one sink in for a moment, for if the Turkish shootdown was an engineered provocation, it's an indicator of just how fantastically stupid some NATO leadership in Ankara and Washington has become.
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When you say deep state in america are you talking about the royal houses proxy’s in america or paperclip nazi’s that infiltrated intelligence in the fifties or the entire republican party itself?
Aaaa, I think you need to throw in the entire Bolshevik party, …. I mean the entire democratic party also. Lets not discriminate. db
I think Russia wants this century to become theirs.
And some of our friends are considering that not such a bad possibility.
apparently this post would not post with links to google searhes in it. so i pulled the links out and wrote the search keywords instead. please try it for yourselves. thank you
you’re both saner than you think and both right. mr global’s paying both sides as usual. if you need fractal proof, start looking up all the russian/chechen generals who have switched sides in the last 20 years. there are a few who’ve done it more than once.
russian general defect
chechen general defect
it’s a way more common occurrence than the masses are allowed to believe. ironic too: in looking at those links, i noticed a few more recent defections in the ukraine mess too.
please keep in mind a general defecting is no small thing. generals do nothing alone. nor without valuable intel.
so some of these comments come across as silly as an earlier commenter who was sure that france would never gladio her own citizens. given how intel agencies have such omniscience now, it wouldn’t be surprising if more than one state had actors in paris last month. how many different and different looking crews were there?
curious to see if terrorism drops demonstrably with russian rhetoric and boots on that ground (or any other ground).
Gaia Mars-hall and Rad.
So what is the point you are trying to make Zendogbreath?
Off subject Gaia,
I just can’t believe there isn’t more “noise”/concern on the coming TPP/TTIP.
Because no one has the guts to impeach warmonger Obama.
Congress could stop TPP but they do not for the same reason they are complicit in the present treason, since 9/11, that has taken us into what is World War III.
Also diversion is always the strategy, hence the false flag attacks, rather than a concerted defense of the nation.
Now Trump’s call for a Tariff in principle rips up all of these “free trade” agreements, on principle in a revival of the historical precedent of what is correct. The defense of the general welfare of productive labor and enterprise.
Yes Gaia, even Ellen Brown’s/Trumping The Feral Debt Without Playing The Default Card, talks up Donald Trump on some of the issues he’s addressing. One, at least he’s not politically correct. Two, because he’s not following the teleprompter’s bouncing ball script, he’s upsetting the staged privatized elections. Three, he making sense in questioning the Banking Cartel’s method’s that are causing major problems. Four, he want’s to bring back the tariff, as it makes economic sense.
Of course, there are many negatives as well.
But at least he’s shaking things up.
But would he just follow the party agendas, if elected. In other words, just another Obama who can’t keep One Promise.
Robert, there is a controversial website author sounding-like “Gem Stone” who believes Trump will be taken-out if he becomes too popular and threatens the “staged privatized elections.” A Mexican drug lord named Chauvez has already been ‘assisted’ out of prison and is being put in the “Oswald” seat for the show. Stay tuned…
Point is that Putin et al are no better than the rest. He’s worked with Chechens before. Every strong leader needs their boogeyman to be a strong leader.
Agreed on the rest of what you wrote. Of course he’s cleaning up the mess. He’s the good cop. USSA’s the bad cop. My point is that there is no good cop. Just a less bad cop. At least for awhile and for appearances. If someone is painted as the good cop enough that I catch myself secretly glad he’s being a cop at all, I realize quickly some really powerful guy somewhere spent a lot of money to make me feel that way.
Along the lines of your points, I’m not surprised to read today that much of ISIS oil’s been going to Israel.
The questions that seem to be coming up most often now are about what the intent behind this latest meme (White Hat Russians) is intended to do.
Doc et al probably hit it cleanly with Erdogan and Saud out. What the banksters run through the Kabuki shadows next is the question. If they white hat Putin how far will they run him?
Will he build an organic sustainable Russia with well paid high tech workers in all aspects of life? Will he buy out and close down Pfizer, Syngerma, Monstersanto, BP, JPMorgan, DB,…. and every other criminal corporate pirate? Will he return Russia to a gold and silver backed currency and spread it to the rest of the world gradually, carefully and smoothly? Will he use a high tech Tesla system (weapon/comms/energy gen) to close down and convert the current military/industrial/medical/death industry to a worldwide make life better world? Will he prove to not be as much under the banksters thumbs as the scum making the mess he’s cleaning up?
So yeh I agree with your statement up to the point that Russia’s any better in this geopolitical kabuki than anyone else. Those are good and valid points.
Now RB, what are you talking about with TPP? How is anyone to make any such noise when Luke Rudkowski is screaming on the alternet that the USSA and Russia are about to nuke each other over Turkey? Oh yeh and Paris is martially lawed so Naomi Klein can’t even take a walk without being escorted by armored ninja back to her room?
Liked Klein’s book and related articles on the Shock Doctrine; however, her CO2 bogey man is a lost cause. And in the theatre next to Global Warming is that longest hit – the war theatre, It’s a been on a lonnnng continuous run; both hot and cold.
All theatres are playing to the crowd.
Why don’t we give Russia a chance to get up off it’s knees? You might be surprised what Putin and Russia can do. Obviously, somebody is threatened by their noncompliance with the world agenda. Time will tell. Russia, along with other countries are buying gold as fast as they can….why? Maybe a basket of currencies based on gold for international trade bypassing the US paper dollar printed into infinity as a new global currency.
I see Russia as in the peoples’ corner,
in this fight against the “NWO”.
And a clean fight, it is not.
Lord – “The Americans had information that led them to believe that Dodgson had 2 named associates involved with him at GCHQ Cheltenham, and they suspected there was a 3rd man. Do you see now why we had to go along with them?
Frank – “You’re telling me that this whole thing was to prevent the Americans, our allies, from finding out that the real traitors were higher placed than Kedge or Goodburn?
Lord – “One of them, certainly.
Bruce – “It was the only chance we had to uncover him.
Frank – “Well, have you?
Lord – “Yes.
Frank – “What did you do with him?
Lord – “Left him in place, til we could assess the damage he’s done, and how most effectively to use him to embarrass the Russians.
Frank – “When you’ll do a deal with him so he can go on drawing his pension and having tea with the Queen, and you expect me to shut up about the fact that my SON, among other innocents, were expendable in this charade.
Lord – “We don’t have any other alternative.
Frank – “What will you do? Arrange another accident?
Lord – “That won’t be necessary. Any attempt on your part to publish or broadcast, expose to litigate on what you know or may surmise, simply won’t see the light of day.
Frank – “I have killed people before, and when my best friend was shot down over Korea, I did it with pleasure, and if I were to kill you, the publicity surrounding my trial…
Lord – “Cases involving national security are above top secret. If you are thinking of other ways of drawing attention to yourself, don’t bother. We would merely arrange for you to be taken into psychiatric care…a breakdown following your son’s tragic accident…And Mrs. Goodburn?…well, you wouldn’t be here if you didn’t realize that the child makes her much more vulnerable than you are.”
From the 1987 film, “The Whistler Blower”
Starring Michael Caine as Frank Jones, and Sir John Gielgud as Sir Adrien Chappell
Tell us, Mr Hollande how exactly are you going to “partner” with Russia while RT network has no problem at all discussing in public the various ruses of the 9/11 stage piece? That isn’t going to square very well at all with your plan to “ban conspiracy theories” in France.
It’s such a lovely mess.
nice point. putin is good at releasing intel and the optimal times.
I always thought French President Hollande was stupid, but now it seems, with the “sting” of the gladio attacks in Paris still fresh in his mind, he “may’ have figured out who “IS” his best friend. So now France and Russia are sharing info on Syria, this must have the Washington Wombats squirming no doubt. And now it’s blatantly obvious who’s thieving the Syrian oil, and the west is scrambling to try and denounce the tie between Turkey and the missing oil. What a mess this is, and no matter how hard the MSM is in trying to cover up the oil snatch, the toothpaste is out of the tube. Now the British are bombing Syria, well why didn’t the US bomb these targets last week before the Brits????? theatre that’s all it is, and a bad play at that.
The U.S. media is falling easily into Russian’s old cold war Pravda role/that of an international buffoon.
yep. same way the msm is trying to cover hastert’s pedophilic decades in office as well as his (and others) treasonous bribery relations with turkish businessmen. take some long listens to sibel edmonds.
When Kennedy and Khrushchev where working together the Deep State military hand smashed that relationship.
Ask Gary Powers.
Oops, he was accidented.
The Deep State players are at it again, and Putin knows it.
NATO and the EU are both headquartered in Brussels, where — if one were to believe the MSM and accept the conventional wisdom — pedophile networks that lock dozens of children in basements and bury them in the backyard, like that of Marc Dutroux, and radical jihadist madrasses are somehow, inexplicably, allowed to fester for decades and are only found out after gruesome bouts of terror are inflicted on innocents. Apparently, security and surveillance are to be applied rigorously everywhere but at home.
Also, Turkey and its tin-pot Sultan are in NATO, and using it as a human shield. Also, Bush the Elder, Lord of Darkness, promised no NATO advance into former Warsaw Pact territories. That worked out well, didn’t it?
Oh, and let’s not forget Operation Gladio, that was a fine piece of work, wasn’t it? Lucky for De Gaulle that they employed Keystone Cop assassins.
So, why on earth would any NATO member have misgivings about being in such a fine organization? And why would anyone ever suspect it of double-dealing?
Yes basta why would anyone in their right mind trust double-dealing barbarians. Be they from Western Europe or Western Asia it’s watch your back or your dead just ask the departed leaders of Iraq and Libya.
and iran. and ukraine. and panama. and chile. and….
you’re gonna wanna hear james corbett report on pedophile politicians and leaders. wish i could be more cheerful to pass word.
How I see the things or the game there
-US, some in EU and some Persian Gulf states want to open an alternative natural gas route to Europe, that bypass Russia. Before this some huge deposit was found in Med Sea somewhere between Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Cyprus, this require everyone accept to be exploited.
-Russia and some in EU (mainly Germany and is close circle there) don’t like this. Russia will lose a big chunk of its economy and influence in Europe, and Germany, as tied with Russian gas have as well to lose some of its preeminent position in EU.
The first camp ask Assad to approve that pipelines from Qatar and Saudis to go through Syria and reach Turkey and EU, and to accept a common exploitation of Med Sea deposit.
Russians react imediatly and ask Assad to reject the proposition. Probably due to influence they have among the leadership circle of Syria (most if not all Syrian generals had studied in Russia Military Academy) Assad reject as their request the Gulf pipeline and the Med Sea exploitation.
Favored by the desire of more freedom of Syrians and by the presence of muslim fundamentalists there the first camp push for some rebellions inside Syria, to make Assad change his mind. The power structure of Syria however react in a brutal manner (supported by Russia, who since then regularly provide them weapons). Regional rivalries enter the game too, some sectarian conflicts as well and things spiraled out of control soon leading to the mess that is there now.
The flooding of EU with refugees I see it as an Russo-German plan to make EU side with a solution to stop the war as quickly as possible and so keep Assad (or his camp) in power, at least in areas from which can block the pipeline from Qatar and Med Sea deposit. Russians even make there a naval base to make sure they can have an eye on that MEd Sea deposit.
As EU finally put a stop to Russian South Stream pipeline due to Ukraine affair, Russians and Germans want now to open a second Nord Stream route (there already exist North Stream 1) so they could keep EU depending on them for natural gas resources. Basically a Ruso-German affair.
The Paris terrorist attacks favored Russia as well, making France to join an “anti-Isis” image alliance, and diverting the focus on pro-Russian Assad camp. Even so the majority of Russian attacks didn’t hit as much ISIS as the other rebels that fight Assad regime (and I for one I am kinda on Assad side, the man is caught in an almost impossible position and was pushed there by other power interests).
And then Isis military leadership (that probably planned and ordered the attacks in Paris) is mostly made of Chechens from Russia. How tied are those to Russian intelligence services is everybody guess but I think they have such relations, even if carefully hidden.
So in my opinion neither side are the good guys and actually Russia have too a significant role in that mess that is now Syria
Your theories are more than sort of nutty. First stop Russia bashing with this crap that they are causing the immigrant crisis. The immmigrant crisis is because Tel Aviv, London and Washington want to destroy Syria for Erzat Israel. To which they want to destroy Europe at the same time with this invasion.
Russia is cleaning up the mess and the west is freaking out.
And to suggest that Russia is working with Chechen terrorists is insane.
At some point, the rest of the world will wake up to Israel’s game. Would not want to be there when that happens. At that point, they better pray that God has their back as no one else will hear their pleas for mercy.
Yup, that will happen.
Agreed. Putin/Russia have had horrible terrorists attacks on schools and other public places. Lots of dead children.
I also look at the ultimate actions toward his own country and people when I look at Putin.
Encouraging pride and self respect in themselves, encouraging men and women to have children.
Encourage the concept of the family.
Notice a revival of the Eastern Orthodox church, who has never been in agreement with the Vatican. (that’s a huge plus)
No transgender, gay parades, no men in high heels waltzing down the streets. All the while no attacks on people who are gay.
No Soros NGO bull. Outlawed it.
Russia does not chemtrail it’s people. Putin has asked at the climate conference that they address Geo Engineering….huge problem and he knows it.
Russia does not have the Autism from dirty vaccines that the West have.
In other words, he is not willing that Russia remain on it’s knees and he is not willing to allow the New World Order crowd destroy the Russian people. He’s fighting for the survival of Russia. What’s the New World Order crowd doing for the American people and frankly, people in general?
That’s what I look at. Nobody’s perfect. But he looks pretty good to me.
Well said Milton!
Sorry to say, but some of you people seem to be a little delusional to me.
Russia is as perfect capable to do bad things in the shadow as any others, or even more.
There is way more weight in thrusting the rumors about Putin’s men blowing up apartment buildings in Russia and blaming the Chechens so to start the second Chechen war, than is for 9/11 US govern conspiracy.
Some who spilled the beans about that get some polonium in their tea, or simply get shot in the middle of the street.
Gosh, a site like Dr Farrell one, who write about hidden agendas and who would criticize the govern and especially the “big man” in charge would have been closed long ago in Russia and Dr Farrell would have been in danger to be at least harassed if not arrested for some bogus charges, or even worse.
Same Putin regime who not just that don’t explicitly condemn the crimes of Soviet Union (from genocide and mass murder to mass deportation of various people and occupation of free nations) but is upset about the fall of USSR.
And try to rebuild it in some ways, for now just by occupying territories from neighbors in spite of any international laws and their own treaties they signed.
And about Paris terrorists attacks, well, not just that they favored at that moment Russia in relation with Syrian problem, but favor it later too.
As the so called French “far right” has won some local elections after that, partially due to those attacks and the bad feelings formed in France after them.
And that’s a political party that is known to be financed by Russia and have a program that copy in large part that of Putin.
I did write a while ago here about that “eurasian empire” plan that was made quite long ago (look for Jean Parvulescu and Alex Dughin articles). Now it seem that they try to push all the main points of its supposed axis in a much closer tie.