Mr. K.L. found this fascinating article regarding the discovery of Roman artifacts near the celebrated Oak Island site, long reputed to have contained a lost Templar treasure:

Sword and shipwreck discovered in Oak Island, Nova Scotia suggest Roman mariners visited New World thousands of years before Columbus

The intriguing thing in this article is not so much the discovery of a Roman-era sword, but rather, the linguistic evidence of the language of the local Mi'kmaq tribe:

In an attempt to dismiss skeptics, who may suggest the artifact had simply fallen off the side of a boat in more recent times, Pultizer and his team have dug up numerous other pieces of evidence to support the theory that the Romans made it to the New World more than 1,000 years before Christopher Columbus. These include:

  • Petroglyphs carved on cave walls and boulders in Nova Scotia by the indigenous Mi'kmaq people, which depict what Pulitzer's team believe to be Roman soldiers marching with their swords, and Roman ships.
  • Fifty words in the Mi'kmaq language that are nautical terms used by mariners from Roman times.
  • An invasive species of plant (Berberis Vulgaris) growing on Oak Island and in Halifax, which was once used by Romans to season their food and prevent scurvy on their voyages.
  • A Roman legionnaire's whistle found on Oak Island in 1901
  • A metal 'boss' from the center of a Roman shield found in Nova Scotia in the mid-1800s
  • Gold Roman Carthage coins found on the mainland near Oak Island
  • Two carved stones on Oak Island that Pulitzer says displays a language from the ancient Levant.

All this poses a significant question, and that in turn prompts some (very) high octane speculation. The Roman empire, right up the the final fall of its eastern half in 1453, carried on trade with the Orient, and thus, any trade or expeditions it might have mounted to the New World should have convinced it that it was not dealing with India or China, its standard trading partners for long distance trade. And the Roman Empire, like all empires, kept meticulous records. The problem and question posed is thus, what happened to that knowledge and those records? Why did the European post-Roman world "lose" that knowledge? Or, to pose the same question somewhat differently, why was that knowledge suppressed?

In my various books I have speculated on two possible answers to that question. The first was that this knowledge may have been preserved by the Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople, and preserved (and suppressed) in its imperial archives. There is a certain degree of evidence for this, given that the Turkish Admiral Piri Reis compiled his famous map showing the new world, with probable help from whatever materials he was able to access in the old Byzantine imperial archives. Byzantium would have sought to suppress such information as long as possible, to continue its favored position astride the east-west trade, from which its revenues and, for the day, luxurious standard of living derived.

The second possibility that I have suggested is that some of this knowledge may have also remained in whatever archives remained in the Old Rome, and ended up in the archives of the Bishop of Rome. And again, there is some evidence to suggest this possibility that I reviewed in Thrice Great Hermnetic and the Janus Age, with the possibility that Columbus' now celebrated voyage of discovery was a staged affair, a bit of theater, a voyage of "revelation" rather than discovery.

Whatever one makes of my high octane speculations in this regard, the bottom line remains: what we have assumed to be history in this respect must be questions and eventually re-written. Indeed, some scholars have pointed out that China, too, undertook voyages to the New World, perhaps as early as the era of the Venetian spy and explorer Marco Polo if not even before that, for recall that Polo's "journey to Japan," as the standards historiography interprets his remarks, took an entire year, which, as I pointed out in Thrice Great Hermetica, raises the more probable possibility that he journeyed with a Chinese expedition to the New World. This raises yet another high octane speculative possibility: was the "rush to explore" the New World a manifestation of a competition between the Orient and the Occident to see who could get there first, with the most, and exploit and expand? Or was another agenda possibly driving this exploration, such as the search for lost antiquities? or some mixture of both perhaps?

Time, and research, and more such discoveries, will tell.

See you on the flip side...

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. zendogbreath on December 27, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    btw goshawks,
    have you looked at secrets in plain site and the coordinates for khufu? forgotten what it was but – oh yeh quick google and

    onstott was the first to put me on to these coincidences. i googlemapped it and sure enough, it’s close enough to make me go hmmm. at the least there’s a conspiracy at google to yank my chain. I’m electing it’s a higher life form doing the yanking from a better perspective than sergey brin’s.

    along the lines of power though, the way i got it from tesla et al is that the power source is not strictly positional. it’s based on water and the connection to the water. it goes to the size and nature of the body of water, its position and the flow. it’s how orgone works to rule weather. sounds like reich had it down. sounds like he did small and portable versions of what tesla did.

    in that vein of thought, khufu used to be literally in the nile, right? and there are huge channels zigzagging to induce flow beneath khufu. if it’s dried up now, that reduced the power flow to the point. even the best dried fruit is naught until rehydrated.

    anyone up for buying up a chemtrail drone fleet and geoengineering north africa? or maybe just holding off the current (get it? current?) geoengineering that’s drying northern africa?

  2. zendogbreath on December 27, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    cosmic and gosh,
    thank you both. am familiar with those ideas. although i’ve never read or seen ellis. i will now though. gets me thinking joseph atwell thinks highly of ellis. ironic that peter joseph and the zeitgeist crew got me chewing on different possibilities that opened me up to atwell. did a bit more on joseph to find his teachers trace back to the same as others like foster gamble and david icke. they go back to blavatsky. for generations they’ve posed as anti nwo while presenting themselves as the alternative nwo. considering where and who these various folk with their various agenda trace back to and how far back, makes one wonder if paul/saul-joseph flavius was jesus’ friend or not. i’m thinking not just based on the circumcision isssue. ouch.

    • goshawks on December 28, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      The really explosive and provable content of Ellis’ book remains the Saul-Josephus ‘core’. Ellis does do a virtually watertight proof that Saul/Paul and Josephus are the same person.

      For anyone who allows themselves to think deeply about this, the Saul-Josephus identity should be both highly enlightening and troubling. This one man, who may have been a Roman agent since early in his career, had been responsible for much of the shaping and ‘information flow’ of his (Paul’s) version of Christianity (or what Ellis calls ‘Simple Judaism’). With the near-extermination of the original Jesus/James side (at the hands of the Roman Legions), Saul-Josephus had a near free hand.

      Although Ellis does not speak of this, I feel that Saul-Josephus was unlikely to have been ‘alone’ in his later career(s). As Paul or Josephus, he was probably accompanied or even ‘coached’ on what he could speak or write.

      Remember, if Josephus was not already a deep-cover Roman agent from his early days, he was a top Judaic general who had turned quisling against his own people. He was in a very vulnerable position. He was also (intentionally or not) one of the few top-level survivors of the day. If you were a Roman emperor or Roman intelligence officer, would you have failed to make use of this fabulous asset?

      On “if Paul/Saul-Joseph Flavius was Jesus’ friend or not,” there are mixed signals. Jesus was a prime mover in the Jewish Rebellion against Rome, so he was definitely on one side. Josephus started as a Judaic ‘General’, but did really-badly against the Roman Legions. His ‘strategy’ was sitting-in-place, allowing the Legions to pick-off cities and their garrisons one-by-one. (One might suspect a ‘deep cover’ operative here.) Finally, he was the ‘only survivor’ in one city overwhelmed by the Romans. (Hmmm.) He ‘turned’ at this point, and started advising the Romans against the Jews – with deep-knowledge of Jewish strategy, tactics, and troop strengths. A “Benedict Arnold” (at least) of his day.

      When Jerusalem had finally fallen, the Romans had – as was their ‘custom’ – crucified the remaining leaders of the rebellion (Jesus included). Josephus, who was returning from a mission for the Romans at this point, saw the men dangling and dying. Surprisingly, he then persuaded the Roman commander to allow Jesus to be taken-down and cared-for.

      So, was Josephus a ‘friend’ of Jesus, or not? Ambiguous, at best…

  3. zendogbreath on December 26, 2015 at 12:18 am

    alright. a few reaches here. so it might be easier to throw a whole string of theories out there and see if anyone saved the references for where these theories came from. had i thought about it i’d have left a trail of breadcrumbs as to where i got these ideas long ago. jesu bless us i didn’t come up with these on my own.

    the pyramids were built on energy points that used water and the earth’s electromagnet fields the same way wardenclyffe did. orgone. albeit with more masonically. the uses for such structures were many and powerful as was true of tesla’s work. there’s a reason why ed leedskalnin said he’d tapped into the source egyptians used. considering these and other posts, the locations of such stone wardenclyffes were also many and old.

    meanwhile things happen over centuries in international relations (here it might have been joseph atwell – gotta reread that guy – and a couple others for reference). sounds like cleopatra and mark anthony knew the deal and had a kid who might have made a decent albeit tenuous and bloody claim to roman emperor. that kid got sent off to tibet and/or india and learned secrets of the brahmins. he intentionally returned to the middle east to upset the status quo and start a religion that within a few generations took over the empire. j flavius involved?

    hence, cleo and mark’s kid might be jesus while at the same time cleo and mark sail off to north america and settle down near cairo illinois. leaving behind lots o otherwise inexplicable gold items buried there dug up in the last 2 generations. oh yeh. and two of their kids (half siblings to jesus) stayed behind in middle east to help things along. and jesu endures serious torture (inexplicable given the standards of the day) and dies a death for all intents and purposes. for sure the average middle class joe of the day without brahmin knowledge of the human being would have died there. then he’s taken to his rich uncle’s tomb and treated with essential oils and medicines that only the breakaway folk of their day (brahmins) know about and is resurrected. that makes for some interesting texts. lots of other twists and turns.

    so yeh as far as this is detailed and pieced together, this is how mythology works. i like to stick with ruling out possibilities that can be ruled out and keeping the rest.

    along all the other lines of likelihood regarding euro-centric historical dominion, jared diamond hit a few nails on the head with “guns germs and steel” and with “collapse”. seems like he apparently hit the nails accurately enough that he was silenced with a golden parachute (or some other offer he can’t refuse). last i heard diamond talk, he was busy rationalizing an end to his previously profoundly prolific writing, ideas and research. his excuse was that he was going to work with oil companies in his home state, montana to work out environmental problems. he saw the corporate powers as the best place to start to make the world a better place and to start at home. it sounded alot like exxon bought him out.

    anyone got a clue how to back up any of that tidbit?

    • goshawks on December 26, 2015 at 4:18 am

      Zendogbreath, most (but not all) of your ‘Jesus’ stuff seems to come from the work of Ralph Ellis. In my search for any ‘historical’ Jesus, he has come closest to any ‘historical truth’ that I have found. Ellis has written quite a few non-fiction books on deeply-obscured Egyptian history and onto Biblical times. Well-researched, and quite engaging.

      Ellis documents ‘Jesus’ as hailing from the Syrian area, although definitely NOT from poor shepherds. His ‘Jesus trilogy’ builds on the facts-discovered as he researched: “Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs” (2002), “King Jesus: From Egypt (Kam) to Camelot” (2008), and “Jesus, King of Edessa” (2013). In these, Ellis fleshes-out the historical-data on the ‘Jesus’ family and circumstances quite well, although the last book has a newly-emergent anti-Islam bias.

      To start it off, Ellis does a virtually-watertight proof that Saul/Paul and Josephus Flavius are the same person. His comparison list of the two lives (especially in the details) leaves any fair reader with no doubt. From there, he compares/contrasts their writings to bring-out much historical (yet obscured) facts on Jesus’ life. (Plus other, usually-ignored sources.) Impressive.

      One cautionary note: Readers may not like some of what they read about Jesus’ real-world family history. If true (and Ellis makes a good case), Jesus’ grandmother (Thea Muse Ourania, or Cleopatra of Parthia) was a real badass. She was given by the Romans – as a royal ‘gift’ – to the King of Parthia (Persia), Phraates IV. They had a son, Phraates V or Phraataces. Then, she “managed to manipulate the aristocracy into excluding all the king’s other sons from the succession bar her own, and have them sent to Rome as hostages.” Oh, and she also eventually-murdered (with or without help) her husband, Phraates IV, and then married her son, Phraataces. The latter was an Egyptian custom, but decidedly not Parthian.

      So, as a result of all of the above, the Parthian aristocracy raised an army and persuaded/drove Jesus’ grandmother, son, and entourage westwards out of Parthia. This resulted in the establishment of a minor ‘buffer kingdom’ between Roman-occupied and Parthian/Persian-occupied territories, and a ‘royal’ lineage that included Egyptian, Roman, and Persian genes.

      Ellis explains quite a few things along the way, such as WHY the “Three Wise Men” (Persian mages) were out looking to confirm Jesus’ birth. He also shows how the New Testament conflates two time periods, resulting in Jesus actually being a prime mover in the Jewish Rebellion against Rome. (Which is why Talmudic writings show Jesus-hatred, as he brought down the wrath of Rome on Jewish citizenry.) Quite-controversial stuff, but well-documented…

      (There are many YouTube segments on Ellis, if you want to get a flavor of his work. They present the ‘wow’ results, but obviously do not cover the thousand pages of his detailed research.)


      On “the pyramids were built on energy points,” I had an interesting ‘experience’ around-that when I visited the Giza plateau circa 1990. When I cast-around with my energy-sensitivity, I ‘picked up’ a huge energy source under the Kafre pyramid. The Khufu (“Great”) pyramid had nothing of that nature. The energy-source ‘appeared’ as a large globe and was over two pyramid-heights deep, directly-beneath the Kafre pyramid and connected in-some-way to it. The ‘vision’ was quite clear, although obviously unprovable…

      (This might link-in with Joseph’s Giza speculations in-that the “Great Pyramid” could have been the ‘machinery’ [now removed or hidden], while the “Second Pyramid” could have been the ‘energy-enabler’. For the record, I had not read his books prior to this ‘vision’.)

    • cosmicasuality on December 27, 2015 at 5:43 pm

      There are any number of books denigrating the biblical narrative ABOUT Jesus. How many have examined the narrative BY Jesus? It is instructive to consider ONLY the collective words of Jesus in the 4 gospels as a template or decoding technique to understanding the cosmos and beyond. Whoever he was, his message has survived somehow to be relevant today in the climactic onrush of political, scientific, religious and metaphysical developments.

      The entire NT harbors a number of dualities, suggesting it was designed/edited by clashing factions either wanting to usurp or promote something.

      Consequently, there are two Pauls:Paul later called Saul; Paul the epistle writer.

      There are two risen Jesus’:the one who departed after the resurrection and represented the Father; the one who appeared after the resurrection to prom ote again the OT doctrines.

      There are two literary Johns: the author of the gospel of John promoting the Father; the author of Revelation promoting the warrior son of man.

      There are two kingdoms: of heaven; of


      There are two sons: of man; of God.

      There are two sons of man: Jesus; the coming son of man.

      There are two biblical Gods: Jehovah/Yawveh; the Father.

      There are two covenants/testaments: OT; NT.

      There are two Lord’s prayers: one for the disciples of John, the baptist; the one by Jesus in the garden of Gesthemane.

      There are two states of being: the cosmic material matrix; the Father/Son spiritual group.

      I may have missed one or more.

      Things are more complex than most churches teach to the sheep and not as mystical as skeptics would have you believe. Time will tell, until there is no time.

  4. TRM on December 24, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Simplest explanation was that a Roman ship got caught in a storm off the Pillars of Hercules and then the current took them west to the Caribbean where they just followed the current north trying to get back to Europe. Sunk on the way back and there would be no records of it.

  5. Roger on December 24, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    So pretty much throughout all of human existence in both recorded and unrecorded history human explorers from all ages and races travelled all over the planet. Explains the European ancestry markers in some native Americans and native American markers in some east Eurasian provinces. So pretty much both notions of white exceptionalism and white guilt for conquering previously occupied lands should be done away with. Only makes sense that human explorers of all races and cultures had unrecorded encounters with one another throughout all of human history if you really think about it. The idea that they didn’t and couldn’t is the fools notion.

    • goshawks on December 24, 2015 at 8:41 pm

      Roger, I agree. Leaving aside ancient ‘satellite observation’ maps for now, there were two clear ‘routes’ for ancient sailors to reach the Americas. Westward, from Ireland through Iceland to Greenland to Nova Scotia. Eastward, from Japan/Manchuria to Aleutians to Alaska and down. Both do not require long sailing out of sight of land. I suspect that various sailors from several nations made this trek, although it seems to have been kept trade- or state-secret. (I am fairly-certain the Templars made this trek, although they never seem to have made a ‘go’ of it as far as settlements.) Lots of out-of-place artifacts testify to this, although they are explained-away or sit in dusty museum-basements.

      The westward-current from Africa to the Caribbean area probably was an ‘involuntary’ ride due to storms. However, the first captain that got back via the ocean-current-loop using the Gulf Stream probably started (or his government started) a trading-system empowered by that loop. Entrepreneurs.

      There is an interesting, long-forgotten, rock-built ‘settlement’ on an easily-defensible headland of one of the most-eastward Canadian islands, discovered not long ago. The location is perfect for stocking-up before riding the Gulf Stream eastwards back to Europe (or Rome, Egypt, etc.)…

  6. chiropractor69 on December 24, 2015 at 9:04 am

    A book with a similar thread….

    They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America (Journal of African Civilizations)- Ivan Van Sertima

    • marcos toledo on December 24, 2015 at 5:09 pm

      I have read that book too chiropractor69 along with several books by Barry Fell.

  7. Rad on December 23, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    Interesting article indeed. History seem to be more complicated the some think or want others to think.
    Regarding Romans, they knew that Earth is a globe, and in III-rd century BC someone like Erathostene (hope I get his name right) calculated the Earth circumference. Depending on interpretation of his measure units, he did that with an error as small as 2% (or as big as almost 20%, which I doubt).
    Roman ships were traveling from Africa (ports around today south Egypt, north Sudan, at the southern edge of Roman empire borders) to India regularly, during the monsoon season, and Roman coins were found as far as Vietnam (and obviously China, at some point I think Rome and China even send ambassadors to each other, speaking of globalization, that seem to exist since prehistoric era actually).
    Romans navigated along African coasts too, Canary islands were discovered even before by Carthaginians, in north they traveled in North Sea, as well in north of today Scotland and set foot in Ireland as well (due to lack of significant resources and strategic positions and due to distance to the core of the empire they didn’t stayed much there however).

    So I do find plausible (due to those archaeological and other discoveries) that some Romans reached America in ancient time, either being blown off the course or following forward with the ocean currents (so reaching Brazil in South America) either leaping like Vikings later, from Ireland to Iceland to Greenland and then to Canada (even a direct route from Spain to Canada or so isn’t impossible)

    Roman ships could have reached quite big dimensions, some of the largest ones were reached in size only by 17-18 century ships, if not 19 century. Caligula “giant ship” supposedly had a length of between 95 and 104 metres (341 ft) and a beam of about 20.3 m (66 ft). It was 6 decks high, displaced a minimum of 7400 tons, and carried a crew of 700-800.'s_Giant_Ship

    That ship was as long as a WW 2 era destroyer, and about twice as heavy

    Other large ships were used to bring to Rome some obelisks from Egypt (that had weights of hundreds of tones).

  8. BetelgeuseT-1 on December 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    There is a map in the Cairo museum.
    It’s in a rather obscure place, so many visitors never get to see it.
    The map comes from a tomb, the tomb is dated prior 3000BC.
    What does the map show?
    North&South America, most of the European and Asian continents.
    And to top it off, it even shows Australia!
    Most of the planet was known at least that far back.
    Piri Reis said that his maps came from older sources. Question is: How old?

    • DanaThomas on December 24, 2015 at 5:07 am

      Interesting Betelgeuse could you give further details?

      • BetelgeuseT-1 on December 24, 2015 at 5:48 pm

        Sure. I assume you mean the world map in the Cairo museum?

        I was there in March this year and saw it myself.
        Visiting the Cairo museum was part of a tour with the Khemit School of Ancient Mysticism. If you ever want to visit Egypt and get an alternative view of Khemit’s (Egypt’s) history, then these are the people to go with.
        It’s run by Yousef & Patricia Awyan. Yousef is the son of Abd’el Hakim Awyan. Also people like Stephen Mehler and Brien Foerster go on tour with them, they were there in March. And always Mohamed, an Egyptologist with a degree in Egyptology from Cairo University, but he’s very much in the “alternative” camp. He is also an expert in hieroglyphics (as is Yousef).
        For details, go to
        Regarding the map, go to “”.
        Scroll down until you get to the videos.
        Right towards the end of the third video, Yousef & Mohamed talk about this map.

        Hope this helps.

        • goshawks on December 24, 2015 at 6:43 pm

          BetelgeuseT-1, I have read Stephen Mehler’s two books, “The Land of Osiris” and “From Light into Darkness.” His work is based on “Egyptian wisdom keeper Abd’El Hakim Awyan” and his oral traditions. (The books are highly bookmarked.) A very-interesting alternative history…

          On the positive side, I liked Awyan’s energy-based evaluations of sites. Walking into Egyptian sites and ignoring the energy-aspects is like being three-quarters blind. So, this aspect is much needed.

          On the maybe-negative side, Mehler (and Foerster) seem to ‘bow’ to Awyan’s assertions in all cases, based on his ‘lineage’. Awyan’s line being an oral history, I would expect a certain amount of information-loss and distortion as the human race lost it’s proud knowledge of ancient Egypt. Kind of like a bronze-age man in the Bible describing ‘wheels within wheels’ in an attempt to make sense of a high-technology object. So, I would take Awyan’s info with both great interest and a certain amount of caution.

          Being energy-sensitive myself, I would love to pick Awyan’s brain/senses on-the-ground in Egypt. (Been there briefly around 1990; would love to go back with all I’ve learned – inner and outer – since then.)

          • BetelgeuseT-1 on December 24, 2015 at 7:55 pm

            Goshawks, fair comment.

            IMO though, you can not beat in-the-field, on-the-ground, and especially LOCAL knowledge.
            Hakim grew up right next to the pyramids, his house is only a few hundred meters away.
            When you stand on the balcony of their house, the Sphinx’s (Tefnut’s) gaze stares directly at you!
            The Khemit School have a great team of people that know their stuff, each having their own area of expertise, more or less. A geologist has just joined the team, she gives great insights as to the nature of the stones and their composition.
            Robert Schoch now does tours with them at the start of the year.

            For me, this is good enough to get an accurate picture. Sure, there are always new discoveries that may make previous theories (no matter how convincing) inaccurate. But this is all part of the journey, isn’t it?
            It’s science in it’s purest form. Go where the evidence takes you.
            As Stephen Mehler said: “It’s a living book”.

        • DanaThomas on December 25, 2015 at 8:56 am

          Thanks for the khemitology reference.

  9. Robert Barricklow on December 23, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Just as the oligarchs have at least two sets of books; perhaps there are several set of history books. Of course, the commoners are given the latest history edition of the “approved” fable.

  10. goshawks on December 23, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    On the Roman question, I am currently reading a book by Andrew Collins, “Gateway to Atlantis” (2000). In it, he researches how several groups may have made their way to the Americas, including late-comers like the Romans. On p.147, Collins relates how an ancient shipwreck was located “in the Bay of Guanabara, some 24 kilometers outside the busy port of Rio de Janeiro.” Multiple amphorae were brought to the surface by local divers, and an underwater archaeologist named Robert Mars found that they were not Greek but “manufactured around 2,000 years ago at Kouass, near Tangiers, on the Atlantic coast of Morocco.” Thus, “when the Roman Empire was at the height of its power.” Mars and other scientific groups wanted to do a full-blown ‘dig’ but – as of 2000 – were blocked by the Brazilian government, who wanted to leave any question of first-discovery (and thus claims of ownership) undisputed.

    On p.152, Collins also noted, “Lastly, and somewhat more significantly, in 1972 scuba-divers searching in waters off the coast of Honduras found an ancient hull with a cargo of ‘Punic’ amphorae, suggesting that the vessel was of Carthaginian origin.” The big question there was whether the amphorae were pre-Roman-conquest of Carthage (and thus truly Carthaginian) or post-Roman-conquest (and thus ‘Roman’). Unfortunately the Honduran government “refused to grant anyone, including Robert Mars, the right to investigate the site of the wreck.” So, as of 2000, the investigation was still blocked. Grrr.

    Collins mentions several other finds up and down the Americas, leading to the question of whether these were storm-blown craft or an active trading network…

    (And yes, Basta, the ancient copper mines up in the Great Lakes area – plus the tin needed to make bronze, once the meager stocks in England were exhausted [thus, trade with the Andes region] – are studiously neglected by the controlled academia.)

  11. basta on December 23, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    IIRC, there wasn’t by far enough indigeous European copper to support the bronze age, and masses of pure copper slabs were simply lying around in the Great Lakes area and was carted off by the Romans (and later Vikings) back in the day. You have solid reports of Phoenician inscriptions carved in the Mississippi Valley as well.

    As Marcos noted earlier, none of this is new; it’s simply not part of the conventional wisdom. But if you know any subject well, you also know that the conventional wisdom is pretty much a fairy tale there as well. And yes, knowledge is power, so of course public knowledge is worthless. It pretty much goes without saying that if it’s open knowledge it’s worthless.

    • basta on December 23, 2015 at 1:28 pm

      I do miss that five-minute editable grace period, truth be told. Always too quick to hit the post button.

  12. Walter Bosley on December 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    I’m waiting until they announce evidence that a landing party from the Battlestar Galactica got there before everyone else.

    • goshawks on December 23, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      Multiple authors HAVE announced that; it’s just that no one knows the name of the Anunnaki flagship (grin).

      On the Indian subcontinent, there are ancient records of city-sized spacecraft (vimanas) fighting for dominance. The key question there is whether they were only Earth-based Anunnaki factions fighting it out for power, or a second ‘Battlestar Galactica’ fleet showing up (either a second species that did not like the Anunnaki, or folks from the Anunnaki homeworld who did not like this group).

    • DownunderET on December 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      I hear Yoda got there first on an airship.

      • DownunderET on December 23, 2015 at 4:43 pm

        Meant for Walter, hit the wrong reply button, whoops

  13. marcos toledo on December 23, 2015 at 11:32 am

    This is nothing new in the book “They All Discovered America” that came out in nineteen sixty one to three. Discussion of the finding of Roman artifacts found in Virginia including Roman whistles, cups, symbols written on rocks. Yes the old question is what did Europe know and when did it know it about the existence about the Americas and the rest of the World. There is even mention of polar bears appearing in Roman Arenas first century AD in the book “Those Who Are About To Die”- “Way Of The Gladiator” by Daniel Mannix.

  14. Aridzonan_13 on December 23, 2015 at 11:13 am

    The foundations of Roman and Greek temples were built upon humoungus slabs of carved rock that pre-date both empires. They were well aware of the tales of Atlantis, it’s break up over centuries and it’s influence across the globe. My guess is the Vikings were aware of the same and that another continent lay to the West. And let’s not forget Columbus, he too had access to ancient manuscripts and tales of ancient lands. Let’s face it folks. We’ve been sold a bag of goods in the Western Civ 101 dept. When I was in the 8th grade, my History teacher told us that Leif Ericson was a liar when he described Greenland as being green. The ignorance of the day did not understand cyclical climate swings.. Wow, just like today!

    • TRM on December 24, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      They still teach that Lief Son of Eric (the Red) called it Greenland to trick others to move there. When my son asked me about it I asked him about how much vegetation would be required to keep a caribou herd alive because there were herds of caribou on Greenland when the Vikings got there. They also brought over large animals like they had in Europe. So what did they feed them?

      At the height of the medieval warm period Greenland was green due to centuries of melting and growth. Then the little ice age came and finished off the Viking colonies.

  15. Bluenose on December 23, 2015 at 9:11 am

    No more “finders keepers” here in Nova Scotia. What better way to guard secrets….

  16. DanaThomas on December 23, 2015 at 6:38 am

    Modern metallurgical techiques used in archaeology can give an accurate picture of the composition of the alloy used in bronze items and techniques used to make them; this information, taken with the characteristics of the surface patina or alteration can at least give some idea about where the item may have been made, and the dating. Not so accurate as C14 dating, but in any case the surface alteration can give a reasonable idea as to whether the item has been buried or submerged for just a few months, perhaps after “fake ageing”, or whether it is a genuine find that has been there for a few centuries or more.
    As for the suggested Latin origin of words in the local language would seem to imply a long term settlement and interaction with the local territory, and not just a fluke visit.

    • Scooter-Fishwick on December 23, 2015 at 12:29 pm

      The Romans in the “new” world? YES. Even before the Romans or the Vikings, the Celts, were in the new world as well.There is even evidence that the Celts were here BEFORE the Native Americans in many cases. The ancient history of humanity on this planet has been lost, and suppressed period. I’m not one for quoting white supremacists but I will in this case “History is Crap” – Henry Ford.

      • DownunderET on December 23, 2015 at 2:40 pm

        Yes Scooter, more lies, and here is another of those quotes that sums it up from Oscar Wilde.
        “The one thing we owe history is to re-write it”
        and another
        “History is myth, and myth is history”

        • Robert Barricklow on December 23, 2015 at 4:05 pm

          “An agreed upon fable/Written by the winning side”.

          • BetelgeuseT-1 on December 23, 2015 at 5:06 pm

            History is written by its victors.
            Happening right to this day.

          • marcos toledo on December 23, 2015 at 6:40 pm

            George Bernard Shaw’s “The Devil’s Disciple” What Will History Say Lies As Usual.

          • Elm on December 23, 2015 at 7:39 pm

            History is not necessarily written by the victors. Take the American Civil War for instance. Whereas Lincoln’s North was victorious in battle, many aspects of the Civil War, the who and why of it, have been obfuscated, Lincoln’s legacy both left undone, and often even reversed. This was so partially, because representatives and interests associated with the South were reintegrated into the US government and administration. Further, the banksters played a disproportionate role in the kind of America that emerged following the war. Many of Lincoln’s ideas, therefore, were shelved and even reversed, especially when it came to a control over an issuance of the Nations currency and MONEY. And as we know, those who print and issue the currency – whether “private” or “public,” control if not manipulate all of the most important economic and political decisions.

            So yes, whereas the “victors” may have written, more like obfuscated the history of the Civil War, the actual “victor” has been misidentified. As a matter of fact, and in line with the principle of divide and conquer, both the South & North lost, and thus, the republic was reconstituted as a feudal vassal of London Banking, the effects of which culminated in the founding of the privately controlled Federal Reserve in 1913. Even to this day, the South postures as a victim of Northern aggression, and Lincoln’s failure to recognize a states right to succeed for the union. But succession wasn’t the real issue, rather it was the pretext, and to this day still acts as a red-herring. To be sure, the contest over newly emerging states like Kansas, and whether they would be free or slave, was the real catalyst for the Civil War. Indeed, the two pillars of Lincoln’s administration were, a containment of slavery to the states in which it already existed, and preserving the union in the face of alien provocation.

          • Elm on December 24, 2015 at 11:09 pm

            As this documentary about The Knights of The Golden Circle suggests, the Vatican prefers to work through assassins (JFK and Lincoln) and proxies, i.e., the Southern Confederacy, and now Syrian and Mexican “refugees.”

        • Elm on December 23, 2015 at 7:20 pm

          “Myth,” is wrongly portrayed as false. Myth, often contains deeper insight. To a materialistic world wherein all that matters is matter, myth has come to be maligned as superstition. However, to a world in which spirit and consciousness precedes and informs matter, myth becomes a means of conveyance for timeless meaning. Whereas history is linear, and defined by time, myth is timeless.

          • Robert Barricklow on December 24, 2015 at 11:25 am

            First, interesting icon.
            Your right, Lincoln’s vision was assassinated along with a different line of history. In fact, Lincoln said that he feared the corporations[Bankster’s its titular head] behind him, than the Rebels in front of him.

          • Robert Barricklow on December 24, 2015 at 6:02 pm

            Yet, they attempt to manufacture myths, just as they do truth.

          • Elm on December 24, 2015 at 8:27 pm

            Helpful to the point I was attempting to make in reference to “myth” as “meaning” and insight as it relates to history as a linear process, is the book by Claude Levi-Strauss, “Myth And Meaning, Cracking The Code of Culture,” March 14, 1995.

            A “myth” manufactured, and juxtaposed with the meaning contained within an historically transmitted myth intended to convey truth in meaning, would be Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK, which of course is patently false. Indeed, a characterization of a truth as a myth, or a manufactured myth as a truth, are both obfuscations, i.e., intended to mislead.

        • goshawks on December 24, 2015 at 6:16 pm

          Elm, my understanding (so far) of the situation around the Civil War has both ‘sides’ (not the Union and Confederacy) winning some points:

          First, Lincoln prevented the City of London bankster plan (probably Rothschild-backed) to carve up the US into two ‘countries’. These lesser-powers could then be pitted against each other and easily controlled. (This is still the bankster world playbook.)

          Second, Lincoln stuck it to the banksters by refusing to finance his war with bankster debt at ruinous interest rates. (This is still the bankster world playbook.) He in effect created his own sovereign debt-paying mechanism (which is WHY he was assassinated). This left America (relatively) free of European clutches.

          On the bad side, Lincoln’s assassination left the field free for ‘back-door’ manipulation. Just like the JFK assassination provided a chilling example of ‘bucking-the-system’ consequences, the same thing likely occurred in the decades after Lincoln’s assassination.

          Also, as you said, many of Lincoln’s dreams died with him. A much more conservative governmental direction was taken, with consequences to this day. A world-path lost.

          In the net, I believe Lincoln left a more positive ‘path’ for the US than if we had been carved-up or saddled with foreign debt (*control*)…

          • Elm on December 24, 2015 at 8:11 pm

            What Lincoln feared, has today been realized through what Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes called “verbicide,” — that, quoting Senator Sam J. Ervin, Jr., “verbicide” describes the actions of Supreme Court Justices who attempt to revise the Constitution while professing to interpret it,” — that “Judges who perpetrate verbicide on the Constitution are judicial activists. A judicial activist is a judge who interprets the Constitution to mean what it would have said if he instead of the Founding Fathers had written it.”

            “…I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country — Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.” [U.S. President Abraham Lincoln’s letter to Col. William F. Elkins, November 21, 1864, The Lincoln Encyclopedia: The Spoken and Written Words of Abraham Lincoln Arranged for Ready Reference, New York, Macmillan, 1950]

            See, MONEY: by James E. Ewart, 1998:XIII-XVI. “Behind every great fortune there is a crime.” ~ Honore’ de Balzac

            A large piece in the puzzle of this crime, is the gifting of legal Person-hood to the Corporate Fiction, whereby Corporations would assume the rights and prerogatives of the human person absent the the human person’s capacity and need for moral and ethical cognition and conscience of independent volition. To correct this crime of “verbicide,” the Corporate Person must be revisited, and it’s status of Legal Personhood, and often even Citizenship, must be revoked. As Lincoln feared, Corporate Personhood has shifted what were previously human rights to the Corporate Person, and reduced the constitutional rights of the human person, to the privileges previously allowed to the Corporate Body or Fiction. So, in effect, the Corporate Person, has through judicial “verbicide,” supplanted and claimed the constitutional rights and prerogatives provided solely for the human person. THIS, is what Lincoln feared would happen, and why he was eliminated so that in his informed absence, it could proceed.

          • Robert Barricklow on December 24, 2015 at 9:17 pm

            Years ago Elm I had asked Doris Kerns on an in-depth interview about Lincoln’s fear of corporations by summarizing the above quote. She said where had I read that?[implying a question of providence]. I replied a book titled: What you don’t know about history. She was silent for a few moments and laughed.
            Then on to the next caller. A few calls later a viewer called in with the quote, word for word.
            Next caller…

          • Elm on December 24, 2015 at 10:17 pm

            The quote of Lincoln’s words in reference to Lincoln’s concern about Corporations, is included in the front material of former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer’s book, The Money Mafia.

          • goshawks on December 24, 2015 at 11:02 pm

            Elm, I agree on the threat of ‘Corporate Personhood’, especially when the Supreme Court is ‘stacked’ by justice-sponsors who benefit from Corporate Personhood. A self-perpetuating system, once in place…

            The ‘rot’ is sooo deep that I doubt if Corporate Personhood can be revoked, short of a French-style revolution. However, there may be a way we can end-run the system:

            Jesus tried to end-run or bump-up the ‘system’ of his day by adopting a word or concept, and then redefining it in an ‘upwards’ manner. We can do the same thing with Corporate Personhood, by legally-requiring that they become a ‘whole’ person. Let me explain…

            In the eastern metaphysical systems, a human is said to have (at least) seven energy centers, sometimes called chakras. The lower three are exclusively I-oriented. The upper three are exclusively We-oriented. The middle one, in the heart area, is where the ‘two categories’ meet and are resolved.

            Corporations, as presently constituted, are only required to manifest the equivalent of the lower three ‘centers’. It is very evident that behavior demonstrating the upper three ‘centers’ is nearly nonexistent. This behavior, enshrined by law in ‘Corporate Personhood’, is the equivalent of patting a psychopath and/or sociopath on the back and congratulating them on their success.

            To any budding lawyer and/or justice out there: Wouldn’t it be better to ‘extend’ the concept of Corporate Personhood to REQUIRE the use of the upper ‘centers’? By law, make Corporations be a ‘whole’ person?

            Enshrine the above in whatever legalese is necessary, and the human race will be much better off…

          • Elm on December 24, 2015 at 11:55 pm

            My first question is, “who,” would interpret the moral capacity and responsibility of the “whole” Corporate Person? Certainly not the Corporate Person itself, which has no such capacity.

            As it is now, human beings, through the interface of Legal Fiction, have also been incorporated as Corporate Persons. In fact, everything and everyone, is today made subject to the laws of Commerce, Commercial contract law and the Roman Calendar, which in itself represents a tyranny over the structure of time. This has led to a negation of justice by which everything is given its proper due, and the emerging of a system that imposes guilt before innocence, i.e., “guilty until proven innocent,” rather than, “innocent until proven guilty.” This is also reflected in the Napoleonic Code which prescribes, that which is not specifically permitted is absolutely forbidden, rather than the “American Code” of, that which is not specifically forbidden is permitted. In this, there has been almost a total inversion from American constitutional moorings.

            The promised unalienable rights of man, have been surreptitiously reconstituted as privileges granted a slave by a master, and the privileges of a Corporation inherently devoid of human capacity, legally reconstituted as protected rights in perpetuity. “Legal” or not, one is still left wondering, how can a Legal Fiction become endowed, or be infused with the qualities of the “upper centers,” if in fact IT has no capacity to act upon them? To be sure, legal or not, it is only the human being, endowed a priory with an independent capacity for moral and ethical conscience who stand a chance of or a reason for developing the upper centers of moral and spiritual cognition.

            The Corporate Body in it’s most basic sense, is simply a processor of symbols, meaning units of currency in a Commercial sense, rather than meaning in a human, mythological or spiritual sense. The Corporate Person, whether Human or what is conventionally perceived as a Corporate or Commercial Entity, is barred from, and strictly incapable of developing any genuinely human capacities. Corporations by definition, are time bound and subject inadvertently to their programming, and can only mimic the human characteristics which they have been assigned.

            In other words, there can be no “Legal” remedy to the human deficiencies of the Corporate Person, no matter which chakra or center of energy is involved, lower, or higher. Essentially, as reported by Irish author Thomas Sheridan in Puzzling People: Labyrinth Of The Psychopath, the problem is always with the programmers, or psychopaths who ensconce themselves behind the Legal Veils of Corporate Person-hood. In my humble view, the chakra system, tools for spiritual transformation, are strictly relative to humans, not Soulless Fictions. The spirit, much the greater part of human concern, is immaterial to the Cartesian or Corporate Persona. From a quantum angle, it is spirit and consciousness which precedes and informs matter, so, as American born economic philosopher Henry George quips, “man must think, because he alone can act.”

          • goshawks on December 25, 2015 at 12:14 am

            Elm, you are of course correct in-that humans are the ones involved with the energy centers or chakras; corporations are not. I was speaking of a somewhat-specious, probably-impractical way of subverting the ‘system’ from within. After all, humans make-up the corporations.

            Otherwise, we are doomed (in the absence of a planetary awakening of consciousness) to either a noble-and-serf worldwide society or a French-revolution-style repudiation of the ‘social norm’. I was simply musing on a slightly-possible third-way…

          • Elm on December 25, 2015 at 12:31 am

            Do not imagine one does not appreciate your effort to find remedy. I do believe however, an in depth examination of the problem is a prerequisite to a search for enduring solutions. Falsehood and Fiction require tremendous latitude to succeed — a control of media, education, religion, currency etc., etc. Overall, consciousness, and a realization as to our true, infinite possibilities and capacities as human beings, are a necessary first step towards solution. In other words, “we,” are not the Persons they tell us we are. We must reject their offers of contract.

          • goshawks on December 25, 2015 at 2:30 am

            Exactly, “’we,’ are not the Persons they tell us we are.” That is a fundamental Trap proffered by the baddies. We are not just meat sacks. In this case, ‘Resistance is far-from futile’…

            I have had enough ‘extraordinary events’ that I know – beyond the shadow of a doubt – that we are somehow linked/merged with Higher Powers and States. The big question is: How do we influence/compel the ‘movers and shakers’ to come back to the Light Side?

          • Robert Barricklow on December 25, 2015 at 11:38 am

            I’ll believe a corporation is a person when they hang one in Texas.

            A corporation has many heads & tentacles.
            It lives on and on and on like the eveready battery. Its many heads are in many places at the same time. If one gets cut of; many grow in it’s place.
            You get the picture.
            This is not a human.
            It’s a Monster. Period!

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