THE TRANSHUMANIST SCRAPBOOK: TELEPORTATION OF MEMORY
Yesterday I blogged about the emerging technology of being able to read the specific brainwaves of individual words before they are spoken by their "thinker," and about all the implications that seem to flow from such a capability. Today, in yet another article shared once again by Ms. M.W., we expand on this idea in yet another direction, namely, the notion of non-locality and entanglement:
There's so much fertile ground here for our usual "let the mind roam freely" and our usual "high octane speculation," that one scarcely knows where to begin. But consider these statements:
With a strong magnetic field gradient, the internal states of a microorganism, such as the electron spin of a glycine radical, can be entangled with its center-of-mass motion and be teleported to a remote microorganism. Since internal states of an organism contain information, this proposal provides a scheme for teleporting information or memories between two remote organisms.
The proposed setup is also a quantum-limited magnetic resonance force microscope. It not only can detect the existence of single electron spins (associated to protein defects or DNA defects) like conventional MRFM, but also can coherently manipulate and detect the quantum states of electron spins. It enables some isolated electron spins that could not be read out with optical or electrical methods to be used as quantum memory for quantum information.
Li says “We propose a straightforward method to put a microorganism in two places at the same time, and provide a scheme to teleport the quantum state of a microorganism.
Ponder that last statement for a moment, and let your mind "scale up" the proposal from microorganisms to an individual human being, and let's add one assumption to this mix, and that is, that the sum total of that individual's memory fo not constitute or "sum to" that individual person, but rather, that this summation acts as a transducer of the personhood - the Jane Smithness or John Doeness - of that individual. Once such a "teleportation" of that individual's "sum total" of the memories and emotions and thoughts and decisions were transported to a different place, i.e., to a completely different context, from that point on, the two organisms or individuals would not only be entangled by the same person, but additionally, they would conceivably go on to react to the distinct contexts in different ways.
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Roger and Robert,
Appreciate the perspective and agree as far as I understand it. My statements are not about religion, scientificism nor philosophy of how we see ourselves and all human interactions. I happen to agree with you and feel there’s a basis in those beliefs in what I’m talking about here.
I’m looking at experience and measuring it ie. empirical scalable observable facts – science – the way WE Deming described systems and quality control. For me to use experience to improve knowledge, it’s got to be an observable experience.
Control in that regard does not pertain to making something happen or not happen. It addresses how well understood a system is. Can I be precise to one decimal places when I measure in centimeters or to 15 places? What’s my margin of error? How accurately do we see what changes the margin of error? If I need to measure in micrometers, a 25′ measuring tape with 1/8 of an inch as the smallest mark is not getting me far.
When we talk in non-observable phenomena, we’re guessing what’s real and is not. When I talk about frequency, resonance, vibration,….. I’m not talking about associative memories, although such memories are almost certainly based on past experience with frequency, resonance, vibration,…. I’m addressing the fact that weapons and tools have been used to directly affect thoughts. It’s physical. Mammals have literally been made unconscious with a specific frequency. Another frequency wakes mammals. Humans have been depressed into surrender with frequency. LRAD works on 95GHZ microwave frequency. It can use other frequencies.
Ever notice how D-minor is depressing? This is physical, physiological,…. Just like pure sugar can jack us up. A hot bath in magnesium sulfate can slow us down. So can the tryptophan and alcohal in a roast beef dinner with a bit of red wine. That phrase that it’s all in our head is an ironic non-joke. It goes forward with an idea as though the head were not part of the body and not subject to all the influences and effects that the body is subject to. Sound affects us directly biologically. Sound is a small part of the wave form spectrum. It affects more than our ear drum.
These are all observable verifiable facts that influence what pure speculations I’m willing to consider let alone prefer. Transferring memory? Ok well isn’t that simply story telling? That has little to do with duplicating an individual.
What’s that quote attributed way too often to Einstein? Knowledge travels throughout the universe at the speed of light. Ignorance is instantaneous everywhere.
Ignorance should be viewed as an active ongoing production; engineered as part of a deliberate plan. The mechanisms involved in producing or maintaining such ignorance changes generations over time; for once made unknown by suppression or by apathy, it becomes of way of not seeing.
Thus, we cannot fully account for what we know w/o also offering an account of what we don’t know and…
who is privileged & disadvantaged by such knowledge/ignorance.
We seem to know a lot about knowledge.
What is remarkable is how little we know about ignorance.
Concerning ‘teleportation of memory’ and ‘non-locality & entanglement’, I am reminded of Clifford D. Simak’s “Time is the Simplest Thing” (1961). Humanity has given-up space travel as just too costly. (Familiar?) However, they have found that some humans can telepathically travel to other planets. (Remember, this was well-before Remote Viewing was disclosed.)
Telepathic exploration goes well, until one ‘explorer’ meets an alien consciousness. This telepathic being says, “I share with you My Mind.” Whap! Both entities gain duplicate copies of the Other’s memories. Unsorted. (1961!) The rest of the book is what the human ‘recipient’ does with the memories acquired from an Other who has ‘shared’ many times over the years (centuries?). Gold mine, or madness?
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Frack. Nothing even vaguely political or non-PC. Moderator (bot), this is getting ridiculous…
go 8:39 clicks in and listen
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RB: Interesting conversation, but I am not sure how it connects to my comment(s). Elucidate?
Copyright policies policing the internet.
Can’t figure-out that modulator.
I have jokingly dubbed it:
Marvin the Martian’s
Illudium Pu-36 explosive space modulator.
Can someone please define (not describe) a few terms like entanglement and quantum? You know some working definition? Something that let’s me figure the basic math behind finding the arrival time of a quantum train entangled with another quantum train somewhere between chicago and miami on a line that closed for high maintenance costs about 35 years ago?
No excuses now for my meager math and science skills. A couple wise folk had a few pertinent quotes (or paraphrases – sorry for the lack of attribution – I’ll allow google to fill those names in.):
Any person who claims to understand a concept will easily explain that concept to a hungry 10 year old in a busy McDonalds at 1145 on a Saturday morning with nothing more than a crayon and an old happy meal box. If the ten year old is not able to explain the concept back easily, then the person who previously claimed to understand the concept does not.
Anyone who says they understand quantum theory does not.
We may not know where we’re going but we sure are making great time.
Noteworthy and interesting that observable related phenomena involving electromagnetic force and other frequency experiments have performed countless varied observed and yet still unexplained phenomena, like induced anasthesia, thoughts, moods, death and hallucinations that sometimes turned out to be not so hallucinatory.
Aka: we are resonance. Whatever the deity, power, emotive force, whatever, it’s not in all things nor is it in some things more than others or others not at all. That deity, power, emotive force whatever IS all things. Matter is energy is matter is everything is every phenomena.
Hmm, common surface..the term suggests multi and interdimensional potentialities.
Indeed, memories could be transferred, copied etc. To another “vessel”.
But there’s something critical in genetic variation
(differentiation) and that genetic clones (+GMOs) lack plasticity and entanglement?
I get to say it first …
Beam me up Scotty !
My monies on divergence but some type of shared empathy like twins.
This would mean we could cark skilled workers into space resistant bodies. An army of space clones to explore, mine and taxi around humans in stasis.
I imagine the space clones might be small and grey with big eyes… Hey wait a minute…
Since when has “electron spin” been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to be “MEMORY.” Until that is done isn’t this claim pure speculation? Correct me if I am wrong.
thank you. the spin on my head is coming back to what i consider normal. ah it’s good to have a good vestibular system again.
But when has electron spin.been PROVEN TO BE “MEMOTY.”
Non Locality is replete throughout the universe[s].
It certainly is an enabler to many platforms.
It raises the question of design: by whom? what? why?
I mean, doesn’t this speak to dimensions beyond comprehension/imagination?
This is precisely in-sync with unconscious communications.
Communications on levels beyond complexity/dimensions.
For this is…
What about the other 96% of the universe?
No man ever steps in the same river twice,
for it’s not the same river
and he’s not the same man.
Please help me out here. If no man ever steps into the same river twice, how can Non-Locality be replete throughout the universe? I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying that you cannot be right if Heraclitus is. Is Non-locality of the universe something you have proven to yourself to be true, or is it just another one of the many ideas you’ve read in a book somewhere? I may be totally confused but if the universe is Non-Local then it seems to me that no matter where a man steps he is steping into the universe. The universe is, after all, just another dimension of Consciousness, and like The Upanishads tell us, Consciousness is everywhere and everything…
Your right in the technical sense.
Non-Locality would, theoretically means an identical copy; but in reality the spins angle and other variables mean that the odds grow astronomically exponentially. That is if you can even trust the measurements. In the end, this whole universe is suspect from one end to another, which is circular in nature, In other words, the is no answer. Never has been. The question, is the answer.
The river symbolizes the once upon time magic that never comes again. Once around the merry-go-round is a close as it gets.
I don’t subscribe to a lot of these theories based upon math that is not really meant for the quantum world or the dark energies & matter that are supposed to be the other 96% of the universe.
A long way to go to sum it up:
You guess is as good as mine.
An yes, there is that
the universe is conscious.
I don’t subscribe to that either.
It might be programed in some exotic sense of the word, to respond to the individual intimately, or the like – but alive?
There is; however, a spirituality.
Of that, I’m certain.
Robert, Lazereye’s got it. Playing with definitions is not science. It’s math and not very good math at that. It’s non-phenomenally complex sophisticated math. Math that only a few can do and even fewer can prove is utter non-sense while the rest of us have to take the genius’ words for it.
But then I’m doing my best not to play with definitions. Sophisticated math is what I meant to say – as in sophistry?
it’s the same junk on a different day that Hawking et al keep playing with progressively crazier numbers to justify definitions that have no chance of existing in any observable reality. And if it’s not observable, why are we putting so much effort and money into observing it?
So yeh, black holes, the big bang, expanding universe with currently limited size that at one time was smaller than nothing, dark matter, dirty snowball comets, gravity centric cosmogony,… these are all self contradictory terms with insane definitions. And incidently not scalable, not replicable and not observable.
So are there no Catholic physicists out there who asked their nuns if God can make a stone that’s too heavy for God to lift?
Right and wrong/evil and good/light and dark; These are the alternate closes; when, in fact, both exist as one – both sides stand on equal ground performing different roles. Things develop to their extremes and then reverse. This is called circular flowing: yingyang.
This idea reminds me of the novella “The Wheels Of If” by L Sparque DeCamp where a person is mind is transported into another body in a alternate time line.
If you don’t believe in ghosts and have never experienced this potential phenomenon before decide to believe in them just for kicks. Explore reasonable theories of how they could exist, what they could really be until you find a solution that convinces you they really could be real. Then once you are personally tuned into this alternate potential go seek out literature and proof of their existence and others experiences of them to move even deeper into this alternate dimension. Then take the final plunge if you dare by making contacts with those who deal with and study such phenomenons and go explore areas and circumstances where the phenomenons are most likely to occur. If you have the gift you may be shocked at the realities of these other planes of existances. Try this technique with aliens, the fey, or conspiracy theories to see if you possess the multi-dimensional shifting potential.
Thank you in advance for your tolerance of the rant to follow Roger. I’m rankling down to the bone as I figure this longer term plan to mess up our logic.
I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of exploration as you outlined it. My question of the wisdom of it runs beyond proving something. Whatever it is we’re observing is still beyond our ken and I’m not sure what we’re proving exists by virtue of observing it.
Up to that point I’m cool. After observing it, giving names and speaking even quazi-authoritatively about what’s observed seems to define insanity. This is akin to Madame Blavatsky and all her David Icke – Foster Gamble Blavatsky-ites rambling on with stories of some entity or entities possessing them. Repeating the stories of the possessive entity (some ancient Asian warrior/demon/poet/whatever) hardly qualifies as scientifiic observation. If it did, we have to call Aleister Crowley a scientist on a level with Tesla. It’s ironic that this kind of observation defines the Illuminati and their morals and dogma.
I suspect we all do it to some degree but few are perspective enough to notice it. When you experience success you will begin to resonate onto an alternate timeline or dimension than your previous path was taking. One were experiencing the phenomenon will no longer be considered insane because everyone around you would also be more in tuned with this alternate as well. You would then be interacting with alternate versions of everyone you know in this subtly alternate Universe. But you are correct, one should be careful which door ways one opens and enters if they find they have the power to shift. But you can exit and close the doors if you don’t tread too far into them. The implications of all this is very disturbing to most and breaking through the veils may defeat the whole purpose to this type of reality and experience. What if order, laws and the expression of being finite are the fragile exceptions that must be carefully crafted and guarded to be experienced? Anyways when and if ones discovers super powers they will not rule the universe with them for by doings so they will have moved into a new realm in the beginning stages of birthing many more such potentials, both villainous and heroic to their own purposes. Thinking this is madness is a survival trait for the survival of your current resonance. But I too don’t buy into the New Age concept that everything we experience is because we at some level chose to knowingly or unknowingly and everything we experience is our own fault for allowing ourselves to resonate with it. This construct and every construct is indeed infinite and manifested by infinite consciousnesses(plural). And we all influence each other and help build and alter the whole in both unexpected and predictable ways. We alone do not exercise sole power of nothing on any resonance permanently for long if ever. This and other unsettling revelations await those who dare to travel down the rabbit hole too far. I chose to go back to sleep as much as I can and enjoy the natural flow and show as best I can as long as I’m able.
In the present you have many choices available. Make another cup of coffee or not or any other endless activity to start or not to start. The potential of the future is limitless but the manifestation is dependent upon all the fine tunings of both the finite expressions(conscious and unconscious) and the infinite expressions together. Any present moment was arrived at by the past tunings of consciousness and both random and ordered processes of the infinite unconscious physical together. Most feel their past timeline is fixed but argue on whether the future timeline is predetermined or subject to free will. What few realize is that multiple past timelines can and do lead up to our current presence and our choices in the future may bring us back closer in resonance to an alternate past time line as well. Welcome or not to the multiverse, its manifestation for you is both a choice you can make or one you can be drawn into by happenstance. But don’t take it for granted because both choices and happenstance can ensnare you in a Universe alternately instead as well.
Here’s some musings of mine on this potential from a few years ago. I prefer the term experimental philosopher to mad man, but is there much of a difference to the uninitiated?
THE GILDED CAGES OF THE HEAVENS, PARADISE, AND NIRVANA
Knowledge of truth, or the ultimate unchanging principles and authority driving all levels of below and above–there are none and it doesn’t exist outside the created scientific, philosophical, spiritual, and religious illusions. Study of all these and engaging in their arts and works is highly recommendable. All of them among all cultures and times offer glimpses into the infinite facets of ultimate potential/potentials. The ones that resonate with our own cultural indoctrinations, rational experience both conscious and unconscious, and personal desire are given more authority than those obviously created to control and limit us in an undesired manner, or those which we deem to be unsophisticated, primitive fantasies.
But no matter how much any of these or any part of these may resonate with your journey, centering your awareness and journey in any one of them, or the many parts of all of them, is a trap. The infinite mansion/prison has infinite rooms. Every room is an infinite facet of the infinite facets of the infinite mansion. Each facet of spirit is a fisher of souls of differing flavors. All are merely reflections of what could be and so are where and when they can be. There are infinite mansions of infinite contradictory realms of conscious resonance.
Knowledge of this is analogous to voltage. Passion is analogous to amps. Applied force of focus of your knowledge and passions is analogous to watts. Choice is analogous to resonance. Time and space is analogous to frequency.
Do you choose to be a tuner or be tuned? Do you choose to become finely and narrowly tuned to any one potential frequency (the goal and path of many mystery schools, religions, and sciences and requiring much wattage in their own right) or are you content with your natural, effortless frequency and its natural and slight wavering?
The problem with the natural and minimum applied effort drifting is its vulnerability to random and unforeseen spikes or manipulations. But even if these unanticipated spikes destroy you or take you out of your comfort zones all is not lost. Your potential and frequency will inevitably find vibrancy and renewal eventually and will alternately exist and be a part of all potential tunes possible.
The problem with consciously tuning your frequency and playing in as many different resonances as your varying knowledge and ability allows is eventually it become wearisome. You may slip into callousness, insanity, corruption and decay; and ultimately become destructive of your potential, ego and in spite– others that you touch upon. But all is not lost; inevitably your tunes, no matter how long or rich, will fade. Each perceived worn out death leads to the potential for many virgin rebirths. From an infinite perspective we appear to be immortal and eventually infinitely diverse.
Ultimately even though most sciences, philosophies, mystery schools, and religions are trappings of alternate layers of illusion, (some knowingly crafted to lead you to a particular gilded cage; others unwittingly doing so) eventually these cages themselves become victims of unanticipated or manipulated disharmonic resonance and frequency spikes. They too fade as they must only to be reborn when and where they can be. No ultimate worries no matter what you resonate or where you journey, but being your own master does have it rewards if you can obtain it and keep it long enough to enjoy them.
Interesting, I wonder if this could be used to “transport” an individual into a younger “clone” of said individual; and what would happen to the “individual” who once inhabited that body? There are moral implications here that are beyond frightening.
Reminds me of all those movies where mother and daughters switch bodies temporarily. It might be nice to lock yourself in a cage for a day and switch bodies with a famous person to experience how the other side lives for a day…or two… maybe a few weeks if your having a good enough time.
How is it that the transhumanists have us convinced that our memories are us? All Kurzweil is gadding about is a download of our memories to some entity (robot or otherwise) that will last longer than our current bodies. How is that immortality? Follow this along. If I tell you enough of the stories that comprise my life, are you becoming me? it’s all cute ideas and all self defeating self contradicting definition play.
At best anyone who falls for this Kurzweilian logic is in for a ride as nasty as any of the major lottery winners in the last 30 years? Anyone here look at how those underprepared and under-protected folk fared?
It could be that the context of the quantum state should be considered as part of its properties. Itf a quantum state is relocated or re-created in another location, the location is different, in other words the properties are different. So I wonder whether not it would be a true representation of the state fond at the other location.
Nice point Churchless. Playing with definitions is hardly something akin to science. The word “same” apparently has different meanings for different people. “Quantum” seems a much abused word too. Why not substitute the word “magic” instead. It gets about the same usage and mileage. About the same understanding too.
Different dimensions. Different and same times. Ba Humbug. Perhaps we might do better to stick with definitions we can work with in experiments that can be tested, scaled and measured. Perhaps we might profit and learn some of the more mundane things that we obviously haven’t glommed yet – like gravity’s relationship to electromagnetism? Our relationship to frequency? And on and on and on.
Interesting that all these experimenters almost grock onto the the central pivot point in all their work and then go off tangentially in as many directions as they can scramble with magic meaningless words. At least they know to start out their games with frequency and electromagnetics.
In other words, since location is a property, the two beings (formerly known as the same being) are no longer sharing the same properties and are now not the same being.