THE TRANSHUMANIST SCRAPBOOK: NOW THEY WANT TO REVIVE DEAD ...
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. After all, we've been listening to the transhumanist fanfares about their wonderful "singularity" for a few years now, and we've all heard about how they want to take the GRIN technologies (genetics, robotics, information processing, and nanotechnologies) and usher in The Golden Age, when everyone will live to a very ripe very old age of a few thousands of years, thanks to the virtual immortality that those technologies will offer. And if that doesn't work, we can always download or upload our memories into a chip, which will be inserted into our biological clone, and thus, we'll have our own transhumanist metempsychosis as we're in control of our own reincarnation. Amid all this, it was inevitable that someone would propose "resurrection studies" and attempts to revive the clinically dead. Well, in these three stories shared by Mssrs D.W. and V.T., and Ms. M.W., that's exactly what is now being done:
Dead could be brought 'back to life' in groundbreaking project
US Government Green Lights Experiments to Reanimate the Brain-Dead
THe crux of the "new therapy" experiment is here:
It is important to note that at this point, there isn’t much evidence to suggest how genuinely realistic or even serious this endeavor is; however, the panel of experts working on the initiative does include Dr. Calixto Machado, a well-known neurological researcher and a member of the American Academy of Neurology who has written extensively on brain death.
The team will test a combination of therapies on the participants, who have been medically certified as being brain dead and are only kept from decomposing by life support machines. Injecting the brain with stem cells, giving the spinal cord infusions of beneficial chemicals, and nerve stimulation techniques – which have been shown to bring people out of comas – will all be tried out.
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The central nervous system is bioelectrochemical, in that it uses biologically manufactured chemicals called neurotransmitters to transmit electrical signals through the body. Stimulating neurons with electrical currents is one thing – even in a coma, the neurons will be able to respond to electrical stimulation – but after brain death, neurons begin to wither away and degenerate, so for any “resurrection” to occur, the team will need to stimulate the regeneration of neurons in these brain-dead folk.
This is presumably where the stem cells come in, which in their most primitive state can differentiate into any cell in the human body. Although there has been plenty of remarkable progress using them to regenerate damaged heart, pancreatic, eye or even brain tissue, for example, there is a long way to go before stem cells can simply be injected into humans, allowing them to regenerate any type of lost cell.
Of course, this won't be the first time that scientists have tried "resurrection" experiments, nor even the first time that they have recognized the crucial role of electricity in biological life processes. Reanimation experiments were being conducted in the early 19th century, using electrical shock. What's unique here is the "new" added connection of using stem cells to attempt to restore neurons that have partially or completely decayed.
Now, regardless of where one stands on the morality or ethics of such an experiment, I am certain most readers of this website can percive the huge philosophical implications of this study, implications that can be divined by assuming such studies might actually successfully revive a clinically dead brain: (1) does the person whose brain is was return? (2) or does the "revived" brain or individual seem somehow "less than themselves," a hollow sort of soul with no individuality? (3) Assuming the whole person does return, what, if anything, will they remember? or (4) has a different person altogether "returned"? One is reminded, somewhat, of C.S. Lewis' That Hideous Strength, and of his version of DARPA, the NICE(National Institute of Coordinated Experiments, which was anything but nice), reviving the dead head and brain of a guillotined French murderer: what came through, wasn't what left.
In any case, merely mentioning these types of questions provides the key as to why such a study has been allowed to go forward, for if "successful" the experiments might begin to clarify such questions, questions which have been vexing human philosophies and theologies for some time, concerning the relationship of the mind and brain, the body and soul and person. One can expect that, if there is any measure of success, that the experiment will be expanded to considerations of how long after clinical brain death these "resurrection therapies" will actually work effectively, and so on.
...and there's one final thing, one very disturbing thing, that hovers in the background here, and that is the possibility that, once again, we're really looking at the "revelation of the method," and that these experiments have already long been performed secretly. This means "they" have probably already found the "answers" to some of these questions, or at least, concocted ones designed to avoid the real philosophical issues, probably of a materialistic nature, to keep everyone looking in the wrong direction. But doing the experiments secretly seems to me all but certain.
See you on the flip side...
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Hmmm, what was the chorus from the Cold Play song at the Super Bowl halftime ceremony?
unbeknownst to most people there is a folk living in/near the Ural mountains in Russia who live an average life of 120 yrs. old; this is fact, not fiction; my former Russian co-worker confirmed this (this is known in Russia)-
although I have not seen the TV documentary about this (Discovery Channel?) my life’s partner, Jean-Claude did-
despite TV if my read sources are correct they eat a lot of raw honey (am not sure if that was in documentary as I didn’t see it)- am not sure if this documentary is still available-
I have no idea what this folk has been labeled (name?) but all I can go by is what my Russian co-worker told me and what was at least partially published somewhere/somehow at times-
so if one is interested in human longevity would’t one want to go to the last remaining source?-
sorry, stupid question
Larry in Germany
perhaps they’re not the last?
wonder what these folk read. think any get internet?
ok now that is a dumb question. they probably wised up at a midlife crisis just before they start maturing. you know around 60 or 70.
there’s much more too this than we think too. it’s already proven out repeatedly, there is no genetic programming for lifespan. environment is responsible for the vast majority of influence. it’s way more epigenetic than genetic. orders of magnitude more.
LSM: “so if one is interested in human longevity, would’t one want to go to the last remaining source?”
You want us to track down Enlil or Enki? Oh, wait; they wouldn’t give Gilgamesh immortality, would they?
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ZDB: “…there is no genetic programming for lifespan. environment is responsible for the vast majority of influence.”
Makes me wonder about all those ‘mythological’ lifespans in the Bible (and more importantly, in the Sumerian and ancient Egyptian records) about Humans living incredible lifespans…
for what it’s worth – to find real health, get a chronic generative disease and learn to live with it. some genius told me that about 23 years go at the azimuth of my health. implied is ya gotta learn enough to live long enough to live with it and/or return to health. that friend was teasing, goading and guiding.
books from the likes of weston price, ron schmid, francis pottenger and a long list of others through to more modern folk today got me improvement and still alive today. that friend and others also improved and we’re all still working at it. overall what we learned is that we need to keep studying.
it gets easier with every little success. every little improvement. mr global’s jambed and jambing us up with a litany of adulterated food, media, pharma, education, addictions,… one way or another though, it can work as guidance. even bad results are results. mix in the occasional good result with a little differentiation and geniune e w deming moments pop up.
so in the plan to bypass our own weak points where mr global makes us want that destructive pain killer or that gmo’d syrup flavored oral entertainment (aka non-food) or whatever addictive substance he can jamb us with, please all keep on and keep reading. and letting the rest of us know what you find.
agreed. feels like the frantic rush to evil in all such ways is splained by effort to get more evil before mom comes home kinda think. the more folk who get confused enough, the more they’re allowed to continue their mis-development. now the point of mis-developing is probably not a point. aleister crowley comes to mind. at least crowley was a tad more overt about his evil junk.
The one good thing about all this research is that it will throw light on soul/spirit aspects of us. Good or bad…
A few decades back, I did a whole lot of study on Near Death Experiences (NDEs). I even met a few of them. (Joseph McMoneagle of ‘Stargate’ fame had two NDEs.) Some were ‘off’ a short time, some a long time.
The ‘record’ seems to be held by Dannion Brinkley, who was hit by a lightning bolt inside his house while on the phone, rushed to a hospital, pronounced dead on arrival at the ER, and placed on a gurney outside the ER on the way to the morgue. Sometime later, he came back. Waaay longer than the five-minute brain-deterioration limit. (I met him. For those of an esoteric bent, his upper chakras were wide open, and his lower chakras were almost shriveled-looking. Energetically, he looked like a wine glass.)
I also had a personal experience which links to Joseph’s topic. Our 17-year-old dog was almost at her end. One night, I came out and she was dead. However, ‘something’ was hovering about four feet over her body. About a foot in size. I suspect it was her soul. She was ‘waiting’ for us. I called Liz over, and told her what was happening. After some farewells, that ‘something’ departed for wherever dog souls go…
So, ‘Who or What’ will be there after experiments such as described are undertaken?
@ Goshawks. It sounds as though you have a gift to see what others don’t? It always amazes me that some people have this special gift yet others don’t and why that is. When my Mother was in the last stages of cancer my wife told me after her passing she saw several orbs of light appear in the room. Only she saw them and there were 8 of us in the room at the time. She explained that it was as if she (her soul) was being collected by others (her parents, grand parents) before journeying on. That thought has comforted me ever since.
sagat1: In my case, it was a lot of work. I was not born to it. Lots of emotional work, and various spiritual disciplines. Glad to have it, though.
I have had a couple of cases like your wife’s. Once, the ‘deceased’ showed up at her funeral, out in the countryside. She was hovering in the trees some yards back, enjoying the ceremony.
Another time and place, I was talking to the daughter of a recently-deceased woman. Suddenly, I was aware of another ‘presence’ in the room, over by the closet. Checking it out, it was the mother listening to our conversation. She stayed for a while, and then left. After a bit of contemplation of the wisdom in doing so, I told the daughter. She was pleased but weirded-out, as she was more of the ‘see it to believe it’ persuasion…
Yes, it can be frustrating for those who have not seen such things to truly believe or understand in the out of the ordinary goings on. I’ve always had an interest in all matter of the unexplained which probably stems back to when I was a young boy. My Grandmother had recently passed away and I remember seeing her some days later at my home watching over me. That kind of phenomena sticks with you and makes you wonder what lies beyond this realm.
Very cool mini-story! It is the young people – who haven’t yet been told it’s impossible – who have the clearest ‘vision’ of the Other Side. Peer pressure and subtle threats usually result in the ‘shutting down’ of those senses. I am glad you had a ‘positive reinforcement’ from your Grandmother…
Thank you goshawks. These phenomena do happen! I had an amazing experience when my sweet cat died. She was my favorite and had been quite ill and I knew she would not live long. She always slept on my bed at night and I kept her close while she was critical. She passed on while I was still awake and when she did, I saw a thin plume of greyish-white vapor twist up up from her body towards the ceiling and not long after, I saw, but not with my eyes, kindred spirits of cats come to accompany her. It was deeply moving and that vision remains with me these many years later. Her brother, who slept on the pillow next to me, died a couple of years later. He continued to make nightly visits there until one night I saw him, in my mind, disappear through the wall and that was his last nocturnal visit. There is certainly more than we realize on the other side of this visible world.
Margaret, wonderful stories/observations! Thanks for sharing. Perhaps these cat/dog stories will ‘sink in’ for those almost-ready for the possibilities. I suspect ‘animal stories’ are far-less threatening to the ego than full-blown ‘ghost stories’…
agreed. and not so sure there is another side – aka it might all be this side.
To limit the size of my comments below I left some things unsaid. I just thought the brazen psyop we expect to see has a dark motive behind it. But, as you pointed out, I do think this type of thing is precisely what is drawing some of them to this type of research in the first place. Many of these people have deep roots in the occult and alchemy, believe many of these stories are intertwined with alternate realities and have some deep suspicions about consciousness itself. They just don’t reveal their findings–and perhaps for reasons they consider altruistic.
For what it’s worth we just put under a dear pet recently due to bone cancer. He was too big to keep indoors so we had to keep him in a pen. He was a mixed breed Labrador Retriever/Shar Pei. He was one of the sweetest dogs we ever had. We could have spent a lot of money prolonging his life, but we decided to fill his remaining days with dignity and grace. We found the disease around Christmas and showered him with as much affection as he could afford. One day we realized by his behavior that he was wanting to die. He started walking to the far corner of his pen and looked in the same direction each time we walked outside and approached him with treats. After seven years with a pet you get to know them well. When my wife and I took him to the vet for the injections that would end his suffering, my wife held him in her arms as we caressed his head, ears and neck. We allowed him to go with the dignity he deserved and wanted. He knew what was happening and was ready to go. We all had a chance to say good-bye. We wondered then if our pets do not really “depart” until they have said their good-byes! Who knows? GOD is merciful, and we cannot really say they don’t have a soul, too. Maybe it’s just a different one. Still, sometimes my wife thinks she hears him barking. And, sometimes, I still hear him bumping his house against the outside wall of my office. Perhaps these phantom memories are there to remind us of his love too.
oc,
read everything you can by gary paulsen soon. including what he didn’t write about dogs. including what he didn’t write about cookie. it’s all the blink of an eye. or in your case a wrinkle in time. keep on and do it again as soon as ya can.
zdb
NUTS
Unfortunately this will only encourage the real Victor Frankenstein, Shou Tucker to engage their twisted wet dreams. At taxpayers expense as usual yes the mad scientist from the tapped thrillers to quote Edward Morbius from Forbidden Planet. The down side who will these idiots really resurrect or will they open a portal for who knows what or whom to enter our dimension.
Oh, Dr. Shelley, don’t be such a worry-wart! Whatever could go wrong?
How about we use those stem cells to repair the brains of those that are still living first? I’m thinking if we combine this research with the latest brain imaging research on LSD and depersonalization, then we’re looking at an incarnation platform.
My former landlady died of ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease) about a year ago. In an effort to stave-off her demise, she enrolled in an experimental program where doctors drilled a hole in her skull and injected millions of her own stem cells. (Cells were harvested from her fat tissues, chemically caused to revert to stem cells, and injected.) Three times. This was done in the hope that the stem cells would ‘implant’ and offset the dying-off of brain cell connections caused by the disease. The series of treatments did not seem to work or slow the progress of this horrific disease. Blessings.
I know someone that went to Mexico to do the same for similar neurological symptoms caused by massive chemical toxicity. Unfortunately he too perished. I’m not sure how they expect to revive dead people if it still kills living people.
There is a sinister opportunity here writ large.
The imagination can go dark beyond its wildest nightmares.
The vampires financeers will no doubt be guiding the new born Frankenstein’s hands throughout these operations guiding them in their new-found hearts and minds. The new class of warriors will be the new Christian army of the undead.
And that’s just one of untold scenarios buried within this sinister monstrosity of science for profit$ and power.
Is then than our evolutionary paths towards the light?
Or, it is an evolutionary path towards darkness being guided by an evolution of technology; rather than – Humanity?
I suppose it would only be the same person if it is reincorporated into the tree of life. Otherwise..it’s anybody’s guess. Most probably, only a person can tell if another is a person or if it is the same person.
Oh, great… That’s all we need is the psycho-spiritual-physical equivalent to string theory yielding technological methods and procedures designed to create better zombies. Why use drugs and mind control when by manipulating death we can achieve a more permanent result? Over the long haul it would be far more cost effective?
So, what can we expect to see now? We already have sites like 23 and me available where they can collect DNA from everyone, along with a fee, where they can analyze one’s DNA and add it to a bank for research purposes. Now, are they going to offer us similar opportunities at admission to the hospital for life extension experiments on our beloved ones by manipulating our sympathies for returning them to us? Or, will they market these to us directly on websites explaining, “we’ve learned how to make improvements to your health and remove unwanted physical and psychological features that you might find unattractive or undesireable. We can make you better while bringing you back!”
Finally, let’s assume for one moment that they can successfully “prove” a theory such as this. What makes us think that theory will ever be disclosed? We could see another Heaviside redaction of Maxwell’s equations on the theoretical side, and a new social-Darwinian system on the social end of the spectrum. Oh, great… Are we one step away from the mantra “Work makes us free” to a newer incarnation: “Death makes us alive”? And, during that time they’ve created a truly disastrous world with profound spiritual poverty and extreme social control.
Honestly now, in a world like this, it’s becoming more and more difficult to decide which are the monsters: the creators or their creations? What these people have given us is already frightening enough–but, this may be the beginning of real sorrows!
Awaiting moderation? Hhmm..
We’ve had for years reports from the likes of Linda M. Howe about abductions etc. So, we are to believe that our beloved MIC/Bio-Tech sector is operating in our best interests? I keep getting “Resistance is futile” in the back of my head, when I read anything on this subject.
The Internet is awash with information, disinformation, and misinformation about Satanism, the return of the Nephilim, moonchildren, etc. It should be noted that Intelligence loves to hide behind such memes and uses them to entrap individuals as a control mechanism. One has to wonder just what it is they are actually after with this nonsense and who/what they actually intend to bring back. These people are traveling down a path that will lead to no good end.
If you haven’t read C. S. Lewis’s That Hideous Strength, where a demonic force uses the head of a recently assassinated scientist to run an Institute, do. While it sounds hackneyed Lewis and Charles Williams were actually very good at restating Anglican Christian Philosophy in modern terms.
My cynicism is actually so strong I have doubts they know who they intend to bring back. In other words whatever the truth of occult theories it is hard to believe the Powers that be are not lying to themselves. They may not be after anything except what is in the plain text.