Now this is a fun story that was shared by Mr. C.S., and I simply have to report on it, and offer my two cents' worth (and it's not worth much more than that) of high octane speculation. Here's the article:

And here's the meat of the story, for according to an 18th century European source, there was a fourth major pyramid at Giza:

On page 120 of his book Voyage d’Egypte et de Nubie (Travels in Egypt and Nubia) Norden describes the mysterious Pyramid:

“The principal pyramids are at the east, south-east of Gize …..There are four of them; that deserve the greatest attention of the curious,; for tho we see seven or eight others in the neighborhood, they are nothing in comparison to the former. ……. ……..The two most northerly pyramids are the greatest and have five hundred feet perpendicular height. The two others are much less, but have some particularities, which occasion their being examined and admired.”

It is s without coating, closed and resembles the others, but without any temple like the first. It has however, one particular deserving remark; which is, that its summit is terminated by a single great stone, which seems to have served as a pedestal…the fourth pyramid has been made, upwards above the middle, of a stone more black than the common granite, and at least as hard. Its summit is of a yellowish stone. I shall speak elsewhere of its top, which terminates in a cube. It is, moreover, situated out of the line of the others, being more to the west…it makes a series with the three others.”

As the article points out, the standard explanation - or rather, explaining away" of Norden's comment is to assume he simply mistook one of the smaller satellite pyramids of the plateau with a fourth major pyramid. But as the article points out, the text presents a problem with that

However, this is contradictory as Norden precisely describes the Pyramid being made of a stone BLACKER and HARDER than granite. The satellite pyramids are all made of sandstone.

Interestingly, the description and illustrations of Norden are of superb quality, and they position the fourth, black pyramid at some distance from the three pyramids of Giza.
(Emphasis added)

It was precisely these two statements that caught my attention here, for if one recalls my comments during the Libya fiasco (you know, the one where the Sith apprentice Darth Hillary showed up cackling, "we came, we saw, he died,") I noted that prior to the fiasco, there was a story about how satellites using radar tomography had found a number of anomalies beneath the Sarah sands so to speak that indicates ancient artificial structures (I am reminded of the expression in monte Lybico... for those paying very close attention to my books), and I speculated at that time that, beyond the usual stuff about the intervention being about oil, or Qaddafi's plans for a gold-backed currency, that there was also an "ancient artifacts covert recovery" agenda in play.

So let us speculate wildly here: let us assume that Norden is reporting accurately on what he saw, and that, moveover, his positioning of this fourth "black pyramid" on the map is more or less accurate. Note that in the map accompanying the article, there is a clear reference to the "mountains of Libya" (Montagnes qui separent l'Egypt de la Lybie, "mountains which separate Egypt from Libya"), and that, of the four pyramids depicted, the mysterious fourth "black" pyramid lies the closest to these mountains.

This suggests that if there is indeed a fourth pyramid, that it  might be (or in my view, probably already has been) imaged with radar tomography,

And if that's the case, then it is - if I may be permitted an unusual application of the "argument from silence" - extremely interesting that nothing has been said about it, which means, either (1) it doesn't exist, or, (2) They haven't found it or (3) they don't want to talk about it if it does, and if they have found it.

See you on the flip side...

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Gaia Mars-hall on September 24, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Itz right hear and see
    light and sound stage
    Giza, Gratefully


  2. Lost on September 24, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    So under the golf course.

    Anyhow, wouldn’t it have take a good deal of labor to make it disappear, and wouldn’t there be some record of that labor?

  3. marcos toledo on September 24, 2016 at 11:42 am

    This does bring up the problem of what were the pyramids of Giza built for and what was their real purpose and use. Not tombs too big and too out in the open machines as Christopher Dunn speculates and you Joseph seems more likely.

  4. loisg on September 24, 2016 at 12:15 am

    This is very interesting, and makes me wonder if Andrew Collins is right, and the Giza pyramids are actually imaging the constellation Cygnus rather than Orion. If you check the star alignment of Cygnus you will notice that these pyramids reflect them quite well; in fact, so well that it’s uncanny. The belt stars of Orion don’t have the fourth star.

    • goshawks on September 24, 2016 at 9:34 pm

      loisg, that is a very interesting observation! Thanks.

      So, what species would benefit by changing the ‘reference’ from Cygnus to Orion?

      • loisg on September 25, 2016 at 6:17 pm

        First, sorry, I didn’t mean to hit the ‘report comment’ button, please disregard that.

        I don’t really know who benefits from changing the reference from Cygnus to Orion, except perhaps the Egyptian State for Antiquities Affairs. They seem to want to associate Orion with Osiris and the Giza Plateau, even though the Osiris cult was located at Abydos, and if Osiris was who I think he was, he was also buried there.

        Also, they want to promote the idea that the pyramids were built by Cheops, etc. which if they are imaging the Cygnus constellation, then that pushes their construction even further back than the Orion correlation, since Deneb, the brightest star in Cygnus, was the pole star in 15000 BC, which would make it a prime target for copying at that time.

        The Sumerians and Akkadians had the Anzu bird, which was later (apparently) broken up into two constellations of Cygnus and the Eagle. These constellations show up everywhere, from India to the Maya, from native Americans to the cave art at Lascaux to Gobekli Tepe and Egypt, and the falcon. There is a drawing of the eagle on a pedestal in Sumer that looks a lot like the falcon in Egypt. This was the bird of death and rebirth and the constellation of Cygnus lies on the Milky Way, which is the path that souls traavel (in legend) to the sky world.

        Another thing that’s interesting about Cygnus is that it produces quite a lot of cosmic rays that reach the earth, and if one is in a very dark place, such as a cave, one supposedly can see flashes of light in the dark, and this radiation can affect one’s dna, or so I’m told. This can be a source of the ancient’s illumination. It seems to me that it could also be used in the pyramid for other purposes, perhaps redirected in a weapon, though I’m no scientist, maybe Joseph could answer that one.

        • goshawks on September 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm

          loisg, thanks for the extended reply. A lot of goodies there…

          Whether for ET or terrestrial reasons, Norden’s fourth major pyramid might make a good ‘date marker’:

          Prior to Norden’s observations, someone in power liked Cygnus and what was behind it. Some time after that, a different ‘management team’ took over and switched the worldview to Orion.

          This, of course, required the ‘vanishing’ of the fourth pyramid. It would be interesting to research commentaries, drawings, and photos that focused on the exact area where Norden’s purported pyramid lies/laid. Perhaps, there was a ‘here today, gone tomorrow’ moment that could be bracketed in the literature…

          (If the fourth pyramid was removed by ordinary means, that would be a sizable Enterprise. If something like Dr. Judy Wood’s ‘dustification’ weapon was used sometime after the change of management, not so much…)

  5. goshawks on September 23, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    “Travels in Egypt and Nubia” by Frederick Lewis Norden (english translation)
    “The four principal are almost on the same diagonal line, and distant one from another about four hundred paces.”
    “The three other great pyramids, as I have already remarked above, are situated almost on the same line as the preceding, and may be about five or six hundred paces one from another.”
    “As to the fourth pyramid, it is still one hundred feet less than the third. It is likewise without coating, closed, and resembles the others, but without any temple like the first. It has however one particular deserving remark, which is, that its summit is terminated by a single great stone, which seems to have served as a pedestal. It is, moreover, situated out of the line of the others, being a little more to the west.”
    “These four great pyramids are surrounded by a number of others that are smaller, and which, for the most part, have been opened. There are three of them to the east of the first pyramid; and two of them are ruined in such a manner, that one discerns not in them even the chamber. To the west of the same pyramid, we find a great number of others, but all likewise ruined.
    Opposite the second pyramid, there are five or six of them, which have likewise all been opened; and in one, I have observed a square well, thirty feet deep. All the rest is filled with sand and stones.”
    “All speak as if it was the third pyramid, of which the half was built of basaltis: whereas it is the fourth pyramid. If our learned author had taken the trouble to go near it, he would have been easily able to reconcile all those authors. He would have seen, that the fourth pyramid has been made, towards the middle, of a stone more black than the common granite, and at least as hard. I dare not, however, ascertain, that it is the basaltis; for it differs from the material of which the beautiful vase is made…
    The stones, that are wanting to this pyramid lye upon the ground, at the north east corner. They there make a very great heap. Mr Greaves, however, is in some measure excusable, for not having observed this pyramid. It is situated in such a manner, that, if you do not see it at a certain distance, you do not easily perceive it, even though you are near, because the others conceal it. Its summit is of a yellowish stone, and of the quality of that of Portland; and it is likewise the same kind of stone, that the other pyramids are built with. I shall speak elsewhere of its top, which terminates in a cube.
    The existence of this fourth pyramid is, moreover, indubitable. It makes a ‘series’ with the three others; this is a matter I can aver. My lord Sandwich has very justly observed it, and my ‘designs’ attest the same truth.”


    It appears that Norden was a careful observer. He accounts for the minor pyramids/mastabas quite thoroughly. The fourth pyramid seems quite separate from those, both in size and style. Norden points this out quite clearly, so I see no reason for later traditionalists to simply say he was mistaken in his observations.

    Note also that Norden places the fourth pyramid roughly at the same interval as the other three pyramids. A drawing seems to also corroborate this placement. So, it is not off in the distance; it is part of the lineup.

    It is hard to fault Norden’s descriptions. If he was not committing a grand, wholesale deception for some purpose, this should be good courtroom evidence. It would be interesting to do ground-penetrating-radar studies of this area…

  6. Robert Barricklow on September 23, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Himmler’s units must have struck gold in regards to the dark side of ancient artifacts[advanced technology looking virtually like dark magic]. The fact that the powers that conducted the 9/11 inside job were hell bent for leather in sweeping like fire through the middle east[clark’s 7 countries]; means that those artifacts are indeed bearing priceless forbidden fruits, when it comes to either geopolitical; and/or, strengthening one’s exopolitical hand?

  7. Roger on September 23, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    My take on this is that if there was such a pyramid someone took it down and either hid or reused the stones someplace else. Second this letter might be a coded letter and the reference to a pyramid that doesn’t exist is to let the other learned man know its a coded message.

  8. C.D. Pete on September 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    Okay, so I took the Orion constellation & pyramids in ACAD and scaled up accordingly rotated to a true north position and this is what i got. Go 5294.307ft true south from mid point of Great pyramid, stop, turn 90 deg west and go 3234.347ft, should be around there somewhere. Happy hunting!

  9. C.D. Pete on September 23, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    I have a question, would the 4th pyramid align with the Orion constellation?

  10. WalkingDead on September 23, 2016 at 11:24 am

    If this pyramid exists, and it may well exist, just where is it? Is it buried under the sand like countless other sites? One has to wonder just why it remains buried, if it is. No doubt the Germans would have been quite interested in it just prior to and during WWII for occult and technological reasons. No doubt there are others, even more nefarious, who would have a great deal of interest in it also.
    Devices such as these would be based on a physics far different than that in use today. Physics which didn’t use all the obvious/
    ridiculous hacks and fudges so readily apparent in todays physics which rely on “virtual” particles.

  11. ShiningOne on September 23, 2016 at 8:02 am

    It appears that Frederic Louis Norden was also a member of the Royal Society, whose roots are deeply embedded in Freemasonry. It would certainly be strange for him to just invent a story like that. If it’s true, then that’s fascinating.

  12. Kahlypso on September 23, 2016 at 6:58 am

    Blacker than Granite?? So what does that leave us..
    Onyx? Obsidian???? ……..Magnetite? Lodestone??

    If there is a 4th Pyramid, would that knock out the Pyramid’s alignement with the belt of Orion? Perhaps not.. seeing as there is no way of knowing when (if) the 4th Pyramid was made.. Heckingdo we dont even know when the Great Pyramids on the Plateau were made.. unless you believe the “Khuffuuuuuuuuuuu…. woz ‘ere” scribble was the real deal and not falsified by a certain Englishman dynamiting holes through Sandstone in the “”””King4s”””” Chamber. (Yep, that many “”‘s are necessary)

    • Kahlypso on September 23, 2016 at 9:02 am

      Ok, well this isnt going to make sense until my comment leaves moderation.. (just in case – Black Stone perhaps Magnetite? The Motherload of all Lodestones?? Lets move swiftly onto GEOMANCY..Idris was associated with Geomancy and Idris was associated with Hermes Thice Great (sounds like a Rapper name doesnt it? TwoPac, 4 scoops.. Hermes Trismegistus..) IF Dr Farrel’s Pyramid Thesis turns out to be correct (and the evidence does pile up..) and as Mr Christophe Dunn points out, the other Pyramids could be used to start a resonance effect to kick start the Great Pyramid.. what would a huge magnet next to this (either powerstation or big huge maser) do?

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