Over the past three days I've been blogging about the strange space news that forms, in my opinion, the necessary backdrop to the recent presidential Executive Order issued by President Obama in respect to "space weather," and today's story is no exception. By now most regular readers here have heard of the EM drive, the drive that produces thrust by relying on microwaves. The drive began in obscurity and, of course, disbelief from a certain segment of the scientific community, but has overcome enough opposition in various tests to be granted a trial test in outer space, and now, according to this story shared by Ms. K.M., is in the process of patent in the United Kingdom, the country where the EM drive was first unveiled:

A Patent For The Controversial & ‘Impossible’ Quantum Space Engine (EM Drive) Was Just Made Public

As the article avers, the significance of a patent implies some sort of scientific validity to the concepts behind the engine. But there are a number of statements in this article that give me pause, both for the hints and suggestions that the principles of the operation of this engine might be different from what was previously stated about it, and for the possibility that this technology might be far older than imagined, and that what we're witnessing is one of those "controlled releases" of information of a "limited hangout" nature, but that is today's high octane speculation which we'll get to in a moment.

Here are the statements:

Utilizing electromagnetic waves as fuel, the EM drive creates thrust by bouncing microwave photons back and forth in a cone-shaped metal cavity.

Now, Newton’s Third Law states that without exhaust you can’t produce thrust, or if something needs an “equal and opposite reaction,” something needs to be coming out of the back of the propulsion system to push it forward, and the EM drive doesn’t have that.

It’s called the law of conservation of momentum, but this invention taps into the ‘zero-point‘ field of energy/electromagnetic waves.

By the way, the laws of physics need to be changed to account for the fact that space is not empty.

Experiments from a number of researchers from around the world and NASA have shown that it can indeed produce thrust with enough power to propel a spacecraft.

Now it is not entirely true that the "laws of physics need to be changed to account for the fact that space is not empty." After all, the 19th century aether lumeniferous theory was essentially a theory of a non-empty space, and the idea that vacuum space has an energy of its own that is limitless and inexhaustible falls out of some models of quantum mechanics. What is new here is that previously the EM drive was said to be a simple microwave thrust.

Now however, that story has changed to the idea that the EM drive is really producing thrust or, to be more precise, a vector translation force, because of its utilization of the zero point energy. I find this highly intriguing for a number of reasons, the first of which is this paper, which is referenced in the article itself:

Anomalous Thrust Production From an RFT Test Device

If one goes to the diagram Figure 15 on page 12 of this paper, one will see something that I personally find very intriguing, for notice the counter-rotation of the device in stacked vortices along the central axis of the cone, and what appears to be a diagrammatic representation of a greater "thrust" toward the narrow end of the cone. Not to coin a pun, but this rang a certain Bell with me, for this is exactly the type of "reverse engineering" I attempted to do for the acclaimed Nazi device in my various books on the subject. Granted, this EM drive is not using any mysterious "Xerum 525" or thorium isomers not direct electricity pulsing, but it is interesting to recall that Nazi scientist Ronald Richter specifically mentioned that plasmas in such a rotational configuration and coherence, when sharply pulsed under conditions of such radio frequency rotation and proper resonance, could tap into or "gate" the zero point energy (see my The Nazi International). It is also interesting to recall that in Igor Witkowski's reconstruction of the Bell story, the device levitated, i.e., produced thrust (See Witkowski, The Truth about the Wunderwaffe).

Under these circumstances I strongly suspect that DARPA's recent announced goal of having the USA be "warp capable" and Dr. Harold White's NASA research into warp drives are possibly connected to this EM drive research.

So why then call it a "limited hangout"?

For the simple reasons pointed out by Dr. Paul LaViolette in his Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsion, for in that book, Dr. LaViolette recounted the early 1950s experiments precisely in microwave propulsion, utilizing the soliton effect, which also seems to be at last strongly suggested by Figure 15 in the above referenced paper. According to LaViollette, these experiments were actually successful... in the 1950s. It is when one puts these four stories - the Nazi Bell (as I attempted to 'reverse engineer' it from Witkowski's recounting), the 1950s microwave drive experiments recounted by LaViolette, Richter's statements on rotating cohered plasmas under high DC electrical stress, and the EM drive - together that one sees an intriguing pattern emerge, for other than the Bell, each of the other technologies appear to be fragments of a whole, with each being united in certain basic concepts: rotating systems with elements in counter-rotation. And notably, in the case of the EM drive, the tests were conducted using torsion pendulums.

Viewed in that context then, what the EM drive appears to be is a public release, after decades of silence and secretive development, of a technology that has been long under investigation, and now that "limited hangout" is suggesting explicitly that this whole conceptual and technological edifice would have enormous implications for space travel. And yet, if the Bell story and LaViollette's story are true - and I think they are - then it is really something that is now almost seven decades' old.

And the implications of that are, of course, rather obvious...

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. mpaff on October 27, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    What a waste of space all that bickering is…

  2. Kahlypso on October 24, 2016 at 7:46 am

    I thought that Die Glocke was more about manipulating time rather than space.
    Like.. Alternative time line, Hitler did order the deployment of his nuclear arsenal and the resulting fallout destroyed Europe. (and the Fatherland.. great move Hitler.) So zoom back a couple of months, don’t deploy the Nukes, make sure that the regime survives the End of the War (thank you Bormann and Paperclip) then the Head Nazi’s (Hitler and Krammler) climb into the Bell, power her up and pop out 20 years later at Keckburg. To be duely surrounded and captured (or welcomed.. depends on what you think) by the USAF. (controlled by Nasa maybe..)

    Can someone please remove Vomito’s comments below? Its puerile and disconcerting to see that level of debate on this particuler website.

  3. goshawks on October 23, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    (I am completely out of my field of expertise with exotic energy. So, I can only make general comments here.)

    My greatest ‘cautionary feeling’ with regard to zero point energy has to do with controllability. Rate of energy release. It is one thing if one has to ‘work’ to get the energy out. It is quite another if one is potentially taking a needle to a balloon.

    We could be looking at unintentional planet-busting consequences in this field. I would prefer any serious zero point energy research to be done way off-planet. Who knows; Fermi’s famous “Where are they?” question could be answered by various scientists doing zero point energy research on-planet…

    • Kahlypso on October 24, 2016 at 9:16 am

      @Goshawks, the problem with ZPE is the same problem we have with the Bees..

      Its free and available to everyone.

      Need to stick a patent in there somewhere and make some money on this bad boy..

      I hereby patent the Van Allen Radiation belt. Everytime soeone goes through it, near it or even so much as sneezes in its direction owes me money.

  4. Tim H on October 23, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    I don’t want to get dragged into any he said/she said pissing contest but I will say that without VB’s wicked sense of humor, this space would be a whole lot duller. Lighten up you guys.

    • WalkingDead on October 23, 2016 at 9:49 pm

      While I agree for the most part, sometimes humor can be carried a bit too far, especially if one side doesn’t see the humor in it. Once that is evident, it’s best to just let it go.

  5. Robert Barricklow on October 23, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    I wonder how more advance3d in technology and in our well being spiritually and economically we’d be if information were freely shared in an open-source environment?

  6. marcos toledo on October 23, 2016 at 11:34 am

    The problem is not the technology it never was we had either the knowledge or the ability to use it or both since the early twentieth century. The major barrier has always been slavery the Western elites do not want their slaves to be able to vote with their feet and leave them. They’re parasites we’re their toys to play around with it’s a wonder that this technology is being revealed now is this all a cruel joke that will be erase from human memory after a major nuclear-chemical-biological war and a planetary dark ages engineered so these parasites can remain in power.

    • goshawks on October 23, 2016 at 8:54 pm

      marcos, there are all sorts of SF novels based on people ‘voting with their feet’ as soon as some form of viable space-drive is invented. Colonies galore. Any space-drive is likely to be based on a powerful energy source of unconventional means, such as zero-point energy extraction. So, the PTB must suppress the basic technology, knowing it will soon progress to space-drives. (The slaves have an out.) Good logic, from within their viewpoint…

  7. Thomas on October 23, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Amazing as always Dr.

  8. WalkingDead on October 23, 2016 at 8:52 am

    David Hudson made the claim that the true value of gold was in its monotonic form. However, the diatomic form of gold appears to super conduct at near ambient temperatures. I would suggest that this would be more valuable for use in such applications, if that is indeed the case. The main problem with extremely high power applications is the heat generated by the resistance of the medium. Super conducting compounds would solve this problem nicely and any super conducting medium that would super conduct at near ambient temperatures would be the holy grail of this type of technology.
    All the super conducting compounds the company I worked for were ceramics and required at least the temperatures of liquid nitrogen to super conduct efficiently. They were more novelty items than practical ones and we had some fun floating magnets over them while they were submersed in liquid nitrogen.
    Some have speculated that the spherical objects noted on the corners of the triangular craft might be superconducting elements of some unknown material, and the color may indicate that they might possibly be ceramics. If these structures are hollow and filled with a very cold liquid gas and other electronic apparatus, they just might fit the bill for some type of drive mechanism.
    This is speculation on my part.

    • Thomas on October 23, 2016 at 9:38 am


    • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 10:02 am

      “However, the diatomic form of gold appears to super conduct at near ambient temperatures.”

      Um, wouldn’t diatomic be normal gold, which doesn’t come close to super conducting?

      It’s the OMUS form of gold that Hudson reported as super conducting.

      • WalkingDead on October 23, 2016 at 4:30 pm

        Gold metal is usually found as an eight atom structure. Monotonic (ormus) gold is a single atom, hence the mono prefix. Diatomic gold is comprised of two atoms, hence the dia prefix, and forms a lattice structure. Where have we heard about lattice structures before?

  9. Colin on October 23, 2016 at 8:46 am

    I have no doubt that this particular technology ultimately conforms to your suspicions, because one will inevitably reap such results as long as spin is involved in some fundamental way. What will vary of course, is how effectively a given technology reflects this underlying principle of motion –the principle of particle spin– which manifests even at the most mechanistic level, wherein. For example, it was demonstrated many years ago that the apparent “weight” of a spinning mass became less along the axis of motion.

    So consider the ubiquitous electron. It has been assigned a quantity of “mass.” The amount of energy required to maintain such a particles’ rotation can be easily calculated as a relatively fixed amount –and yet every particle spins as long as it exists and, since this may be literally forever, one can readily see the emergence of a classically defined paradox, in which the amount of energy involved in maintaining said spin, almost instantly exceeds the total quantity of the electron itself. The Multiverse itself therefore “consumes” far more energy in a matter of minutes than it, itself represents ….classically speaking, of course.

    But here is the trick: every electron is created and maintained by its process of “spinning.” There is really no distinction here whatsoever: the motion of the particle IS the particle. So what is it about this principle of motion that maintains existence? The key is in the perpendicular relationship between the ‘electro’ and the ‘magnetic’, which thereby naturally forms a self-perpetuating vortex that is continuously charging and discharging its energetic “mass.” ( think Biefield-Brown)

    As an electron spins, it’s magnetic field is effectively doing a “sweep” of immediate space. This, in turn, forces more subtle particle masses inward to its center –As demonstrated inthe case of a self-exciting disc dynamo, ala Faraday, which thus serves, during the next cycle, to maintain the force and form of its vortexual motion… Bear mind that this process is pre-mass, meaning that it precedes the momentum effects of mass, and is in fact the very phenomenon that creates the quality of “mass” (and matter) in the first place. This is why the “laws” of thermodynamics do not apply here –at least in the sense of classical, mechanistic understanding. Perpetual motion is the rule, not the exception.

    In the case of the classic “flying saucer,” we see that the most basic technology of propulsion, of energy and matter manipulation, and inertialess flight, is one in which the core propulsive generator is, necessarily, really just a macroscopic model of an electron in principle. This is also why the classic form ufos is a disc –the craft AS A WHOLE is configured to conform to the principle of particle spin, as does its various capabilities.

    This EM microwave propulsion you are highlighting naturally partakes of this physics to some degree, because fundamentally, all such radiation is basically spinning as it propagates; indeed, it is this spinning that ensures its propagation from one cycle to the next. We see this manifested more clearly perhaps in the propagation of Birkland currents, but naturally, this applies equally to the radiation of visible light as well. At bottom, all of these so-called zero-point propulsion schemes draw their relative effectiveness from the very same principle of operation. Their efficiency at doing so naturally varies, based on how efficiently it is able to emulate the priciple of particle formation.

    I predict that microwave thrust will ultimately prove useful in ways not yet anticipated, but will become a footnote in the annals of spacecraft propulsion. Is this high octane enough? : )

    • Roger on October 23, 2016 at 11:54 am

      I suspected that if someone could copy all the characteristics of what enables a photon to travel at light speeds across vast distances, on the macro scale surrounding a space craft then light speed might become achievable. Lately, while noting the temperature of interstellar space, I wondered if this medium might not be capable of superconducting in some fasion a space craft built to mimic the electro-magnetic entanglements necessary to be nearly instantaneously superconducted across the galaxy or even from galaxy to galaxy. Your post gives me some more to think about in this regard.

      • Colin on October 23, 2016 at 1:11 pm

        I believe that Tom Van Flandern was entirely correct when he pointed out that the “speed” of Gravity was either infinite (i.e. Instantaneously propagated throughout the universe) or, at the very least, propagated at a rate many multiples of the speed of light. The proof of this is in the observable evidence that the planets are not continuously drifting outward in ever-expanding orbits from the Sun. It’s a question of the “refresh” rate of the force that keeps them in tow; that is, if there were any lag time in the rate at which gravity traveled between the solar and orbital bodies, then the force of attraction, so called, would be discretely, but continuously outpaced by the more immediate force of momentum. Thus the planets would drift outward as described —but this does not happen. Ergo, gravity propagates instantaneously.

        I suppose one could speculate that this entails some form of superconductive benefit derived from the ether, but after many years of contemplation on this very topic, I’ve come to the conclusion that “superconductivety” is really just a passive descriptor for another phenomenon.

        Please note that ‘flying saucers’ do not exhibit the restraints of momentum and inertia. Instantaneous reversals in direction at blinding speeds are recognizably characteristic of these craft. In brief, any resistance to their motion is patently absent from their capabilities, and this ‘absence of resistance’ could very well be interpreted as a “superconductive” benefit.

        But I have quite a different idea, given that I have concluded that gravity, per se —meaning, as a separate and distinct force– does not truly exist.

        Now give me a moment before you attribute this notion to a chemical imbalance. Having deduced the propulsive method as one that that is entirely electromagnetic in nature and not involving any exotically contrived particles and speculative forces, I now believe that the ufos flight capabilities are entirely derived from the simple fact that it encapsulates the craft in a tight bubble of force. This “bubble,” so called, simply dominates the space it encloses such that the interactions of every particle within this space are rendered ineffective with respect to every particle on the “outside.” I’m obviously not presenting this idea very rigorously, but I’m sure you get the gist.

        I now suspect –and this is quite recent in my thinking, so I have not been able to turn it inside out and flip it all about– but I feel I’m in the ballpark by thinking that “gravity” is actually our experience of the flow of dark current from above as it is drawn inward by the “sweep” of the earth’s magnetic field in rotation.

        If you jump into a rapidly flowing river, then you are forced to travel with the flow, are you not? In this instance, the “river” is flowing towards the center of the planetary vortex. But if you are surround by a similar, but more locally powerful field, you are effectively no longer subject to its direction or force, and you might then describe your condition as “antigravitational.”

        But how is it possible that the “gravitational” force would then appear to propagate “instantaneously?” Well, it doesn’t matter at which point you jump into the river, right? Its force, its flow, is effectively the same at every point. The planets are swimming in this stream, whose force, as we all know, is merely balanced by their orbital momentum, but there is no gravitational “tractor beam”…

        How’m I doing for that high octane stuff?

        • Roger on October 23, 2016 at 8:32 pm

          When I look at the Solar system I notice that everything seems to be organized into layers according to the predominate charge of each connecting layer. If you look at the predominate elements of the Earth’s crust, oceans, and atmosphere there is a dominance of elements from the negative side of the periodic table. When looking at the surface of the Moon their is a dominance of elements from the more positive side of the periodic table. Under the crust of the Earth there is a dominance of elements from the positive side of the periodic table. When looking at the Sun there is a dominance positive charge from hydrogen. Looking at all the inner planets of the Solar system and they seem to have a dominance of negative elements as their outer shells while their moons have a dominance of positive elements. Is this just coincidence or a clue to gravity? The Galaxy seems to be spaced and layered accordingly as well. The asteroid belt seems to be more negative and the outer planets more positive like the Sun. Perhaps the outer planets don’t rotate the Sun but the asteroid belt and the inner planets instead. Perhaps the giant outer planets are even slightly repelled from the Sun because of their similar charge. The solar system’s over all repelling similar outer charges might be what keeps them spaced apart in the spiraling galaxy despite the difference in spin between the center of the galaxy and the outer arms of the galaxy. Could gravity be related to static electricity or a closely related phenomenon? How does a rotating AC/DC electric current interact with or effect the possibly universally vast underlying static field that surrounds them? Perhaps this is one of the keys to better understanding it all.

  10. Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 8:43 am

    What if the governing body of our galaxy has emission standards and until you can abide by them, you are confined to your own solar system? What if our solar system is viewed as the Mexico of our galaxy: a polluted cesspool run by greedy drug barons, obsessed with gold, and who think pyramids are just an altar to sacrifice children on?

  11. Lost on October 23, 2016 at 7:29 am

    That Sonny White NASA Ames video certainly talks about the EM drive, but he’s specific about it being used locally, say within the solar system. The warp drive system is different, and requires a still unavailable power source. (The test validating depends a good bit on red/blue shift of light, which is likely a bogus aspect of relativity theory.)

    As for the warp bubble demonstrated, that goes back to things John Searl was getting at, and he had craft flying in the late 1960s. And of course “warp bubble” turns up in Star Trek the Next Gen.

    TT Brown (or a summary of) seems to suggest that in the 1950s he was using DC with AC current acting as some kind of carrier. I imaging the DC would have to be pulsed–shades of Tesla.

    Rockets could probably move in space without the exhaust, it’s the very very localized combustion in the nozzle creating a really tiny stress in the ether that moves a rocket in a “vacuum”. In fact, any reaction, normal chemical, electric (TT Brown), radio-active does some form of stressing of the ether. (There’s no good reason that all of a rocket engine’s momentum would be transferred to the body of the rocket so that “conservation of momentum” thing is silly. It’s the “opposite reaction” and that opposite reaction is occurring in the nozzle with the ether.)

    • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 8:36 am

      How is your spaceship coming along? You ever going to be able to escape from your parent’s basement?

      • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 10:00 am

        Ooh, so classy and so productive. Sarcasm, in case you didn’t follow.

        Do you have something to add regarding Searl, TT Brown? Or perhaps Gene Roddenberry slipping occulted science into Star Trek.

        You know that not only is Searl a real person, he’s still alive.

        • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 10:29 am

          Roddenberry was a only a minor consultant on Star Trek: Next Generation and had very little involvement. He certainly didn’t write any episodes.

          Is John Searl living in your basement as well?

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 11:47 am


            For the first few seasons Roddenberry was listed as executive producer of Star Trek the Next Gen–and he was fully in charge for season 1 according to Wikipedia. He died after a few seasons. Note the change in the series then with the addition of more warfare–something the original series mostly avoids. (The Klingons and Federation never engage in any shooting at each other in the original series.)

            You seem to have confused TNG with Voyager and DS9.

            The thing about basements is they sometimes contain things like power meters- an useful generation tool there in all likelihood. Then some times people keep lye in the basement–good for making your home ORMUS.

            Your posts remind me of dismissive comments by men who like to think they live in the real world and make something trading on Wall Street. There are many such men making bad decisions about how to run things.

            As far as I know, John Searl lives in the UK. (Searlsolution dot com would be the website to check).

          • Robert Barricklow on October 23, 2016 at 12:08 pm

            Enjoyed your comments; especially those concerning Star Trek.
            Incidentally, the new series is starting Jan/2017. Heard anything interesting about it?

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 12:33 pm


            Sorry, no I have not heard anything about the new series and it took me years to watch the last series “Enterprise”.

            I have an interest/boredom relationship with Star Trek (various). I liked how the “temporal coldwar” was dismissed as impossible by the Vulcan character in “Enterprise”–it was a real thing in that world. I find the Ferengi of the various later series to mostly be an anti-Semitic trope (with a built-in attack on “free markets”), but the body inspiration for Ferengis very likely comes out of something David H. Lewis wrote in the 1970s.

          • Robert Barricklow on October 24, 2016 at 10:55 am

            Interesting viewpoints.
            Thanks for the reply.

      • loisg on October 23, 2016 at 11:22 am

        Can we please just leave personal attacks out of our conversations? It only proves that the author of these posts has no intellectual basis for their positions, because if they did, they would post that information rather than resorting to throwing stones.

        • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 11:58 am


          You have a point, but you have to remember this is a moderated comments section.

          And then you’ve been caught not so much in personal attacks, but posting evidence free assertions about the Russians hacking the DNC and John Podesta’s Hillary campaign email. (There is no “German intelligence” evidence to support such claims.) The point is you didn’t react well to being told you were wrong. (Could the Russians have hacked the DNC? Sure. But the public has seen zero evidence for this claim.)

          Yep, here Vomito just starts in with the personal attack, and offers zero comment regarding say John Searl or electro-gravitics. It says much more about Vomito than it says about my comment.

          • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 12:44 pm

            Inquiring about the progress of your basement spaceship and mentioning your living conditions is a personal attack? I was going to ask if you recovered from your wounds when you tried to launch your “space ship” off your father’s garage. I saw it on America’s Funniest Home Videos and I couldn’t help but laugh. I love your astronaut pajamas. Better luck next time. Maybe you have hired John Searl’s to help with your craft? Who pays for that, your mother? While you area at it, maybe you could have Searl give you a quick tutorial on exotic weapons so you can come up to speed and stop insisting bombs were used to take down the WTC.

          • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm

            Btw, I was curious, do you or Lois ever have to wait for the moderator to approve your comments? How does that work for you guys?

          • loisg on October 23, 2016 at 1:25 pm

            Politifact will give information regarding the truth or lie of the Russian hacking, that is very easily verified. Seventeen government agencies agree on this information. As for the German aspect, that was information I heard from Richard Engel, the foreign news correspondent for NBC, in which he said he was shown the evidence personally.

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 1:37 pm


            “parents basement” a personal attack.

            And now you’ve provided more personal attacks: “father’s garage”, etc.

            You read exactly like an angry frat boy, dismissive of worlds he doesn’t apprehend.

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 1:39 pm


            Politifact though highly suspect, has confirmed to such thing.

            The claims of 17 agencies are immaterial absent public evidence released by those agencies.

            Richard Engel is one of the correspondents (for NBC) who bought and then promoted various lies about reasons to invade Iraq. He is not to be trusted on his says so. If he has evidence of the Russians hacking the DNC, then he needs to provide it to the public.

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 1:44 pm

            And Vomito:

            You are lying when you say that I have ever said “bombs destroyed the World Trade Towers”. This is classic behavior by someone who doesn’t it when his/her actions have been called out, so that someone makes up claims about the other.

            You can check the website for Searl information, I believe someone in San Diego is working to repeat his generator-only work, with help from Searl.

          • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 2:15 pm

            “dismissive of worlds he doesn’t apprehend.”

            You mean comprehend? Yes, I know very little about the world of basement dwellers. Do share more.

            btw, I hope your science research skills are better than your English diction.

          • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 2:23 pm

            Yes, many geniuses have worked out of their garage/basement. I suspect you are not one of them. Please put the cap back on the paint thinner and allow your mother to once again fold your laundry down there.

          • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 2:26 pm

            So you flatly rebuke the reputable remote viewers who claim the missile that hit the pentagon came from an Israeli submarine? Do you reject remote viewing then?

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 3:12 pm


            Again with the insults–“mother”, “paint thinner”, stay classy it really helps your “case”. You can suspect what you like about me, it’s the throwing disparagement and insults that destroys your claims for seriousness. I more than suspect you’re not a real inquisitive person, who doesn’t actually spend time say trying to apprehend what the likes of say John Searl, or Barry Carter, are saying. But in your case, you’ve provided the evidence for that conclusion.

            I’ve never read the Israeli sub launched missile hitting the Pentagon claim–until you posted it.

            More importantly, that you claim I disparage such a view would be a lie, since I’ve never commented on such a possibility. (Here’s a broad comment, now not of the past, I suggest you look at how closely Vietnam era cruise missiles resemble small jet planes. Not sub launched weapons of course.)

            So like the claims that I said “bombs destroyed the WTC”, you’ve lied about other non-claims of mine and invented things I never ever wrote.

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 3:31 pm


            Regarding “apprehend”. One of its meanings is “comprehend”. I’m not surprised that you didn’t know that, you’re not real interested in things–you’re interested in mostly putting people down, like a cliche of a frat boy.

            Oxforddictionaries is a website you should visit to check if you’re about to say something illiterate. But you couldn’t be bothered.

            As for my skipped words, well, there’s no edit, and I have a slow interweb connection, my fault I should have checked more thoroughly what I typed in reaction to your lies.

        • Vomito Blanco on October 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm

          “The thing about basements is they sometimes contain things like power meters- an useful generation tool there in all likelihood. Then some times people keep lye in the basement–good for making your home ORMUS.”

          Sounds like you got quite a laboratory in your basement. Your life might make good fodder for a reality show. No kidding. Contact me if your are interested.

          • Lost on October 23, 2016 at 1:50 pm


            “Sounds like you got quite a laboratory in your basement. Your life might make good fodder for a reality show. No kidding. Contact me if your are interested.”

            So you dismiss basement labs?

            You’re just into approved corporate or university labs?

            How open minded of you, sarcasm.

            You know TT Brown’s wealthy parents built him a lab when he was a teenager, before college, not sure where it was in the household.

            Philo Farnsworth had a lab in a garage where he built the first electronic TV, TV camera, and receiver/transmitter for the TV gear.

            The more insults you post the more your vast ignorance is on display.

          • WalkingDead on October 23, 2016 at 4:43 pm

            Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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