MOSCOW WANTS TO HOST ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN TALKS

MOSCOW WANTS TO HOST ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN TALKS

Well... that was fast. Last Thursday, in the News and Views from the Nefarium, I reviewed the geopolitical realignment that has been occurring in the Middle East and, by extension and implication, Europe.  That realignment is there for all to see: American policy in the region has been a manifest failure; Russia has successfully intervened in Syria, established a no-fly zone, and made significant overtures to Israel and in a stunning diplomatic coup, managed to get Sultan Erdogan to reverse course from his Ottomania.

That, at least, was the view I and others were talking and blogging about until Mr. F. William Engdahl, whose research I respect and whose insights I value, put the record straight, or at least ironed out some of the wrinkles in the narrative; as I indicated in the last News and Views from the Nerfarium, according to Mr. Engdahl it was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that appears to have been the go-between between Moscow and Ankara, and if that is the case, then there has been a quiet, though "tectonic" shift in Israel's policy in the region, especially vis-a-vis its reliance on the USSA.

The deal was simply this: by realigning toward Russia, Israel hopes to get the help it needs to develop its Leviathan oil and gas fields, and in turn to become part of Europe's energy supplier. For Israel, it's a win, since it gives that country its own independent supply of money, and makes it less reliant on the USSA and its foreign aid. For Russia it's also a win, since it creates influence and a relationship based on mutual economic gain for the three nations involved - Russia, Turkey, and Israel - that was not there before.

And as I also pointed out last Thursday, these long-term energy development plans will mean that any route for all this energy is going to go through two likely places in Europe: through the Balkans, and through Italy, making that country a key player now, and most likely, an increasingly independent one vis-a-vis the rest of the EU.

But there's one more problem for Mr. Putin and Mr. Netanyahu: the Palestinians, as this article shared by many readers here makes clear:

Moscow aims to host ‘meaningful’ Israeli-Palestinian talks

Why would Moscow become involved in a process that has eluded western and American efforts? This is where the high octane speculation comes in: it seems clear that the relationship between Moscow and Tel Aviv that has developed over the past few months - with Mr. Netanyahu going to Russia more than once in those months - has been, as noted, precisely to involve Israel not only in the stabilization process of the region but to inject it into the long-term Russian strategic plans for development of the energy resources there. But there's a price tag, and the article suggests it: Israel, in return, will have to come to a meaningful agreement with the Palestinians, and probably do so at summits hosted by Moscow.

If that's the case, then what can one look for by way of confirming that speculation? Here are the signs I'd watch for, if this speculation be true: (1) Russian vetoes of any attempt to inject the UN into the process under terms Israel is opposed to (2) Russian insistence that the Palestinian state sever its ties with Hamas, (3) Russian insistence that Israel stop the settlement process and compensate Palestinians for land and damages under the program, and (4) Russian insistence that development of the Israeli energy fields be such that revenues flow both to Israel and the Palestinian state.

And of course, the real goal for Moscow would be to drive all this in a "symbolic coup," a photo-op of inestimable value, as Mr. Abbas, Mr. Netanyahu, and Mr. Putin sign such agreements under flags prominently displaying the double-headed eagle in Moscow. Such an event, articulating the above points, would signal an absolute end of post-Soviet American unipolar dominance of the region.  Time will tell, of course, but in the interim, if one sees visits of Mr. Putin or Mr. Lavrov to Israel, or of Mr. Abbas and Mr. Netanyahu to Russia, then it is safe to assume that at least something of this game is afoot.

See you on the flip side...

28 thoughts on “MOSCOW WANTS TO HOST ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN TALKS”

  1. Right.. Great idea.
    America and Russia get together.
    Amercia says… Sorry Russia for leaving you wallowing in misery and poverty when the USSR collapsed in the 90’s. Here is all the info we have about terrorists, lets go and kill them all and work together in the future to creating a more unified world.
    Sorry as well for assassinating all and any political leader that dared to show any interest in their local population other than enslaving them into debt induced servitude. (democtratically elected or not..). Sorry as well for creating pretty much a major part of the Middle East problem.. (no need to go into details, just sorry.)
    Russia says.. Sorry America for.. Not having the same self interest driven politico-social doctrine that you do and for amassing a nuclear arsenal large enough to blow th Earth into pieces.. But we only did it because you did.. Sorry for not letting the Ukraine turn into an American Puppet on our doorstep.. (even though we did it first with Cuba..)
    They sign a new peace treaty under the hanging bodies off pretty much every neo con in Amerca and all of the Anti Amercian generals in USSR (dont see why Xenophobic race hate has to be limited only to the Amercans) and everyone lives happily ever after.
    And they hold a new ‘First to the Sun’ competition. Wh ever can hit the Sun the most times with thier nuclear weapons wins and is forever proclaimed ‘Peacemaker of Earth’

  2. Believe it when I see it. Israel may have found a new ambrella to hide under the Palestines are nothing but food for anyone that wants to devour them.

    The Palestinians have nothing to trade but themselves and nobody ever cared for that or want them. It would be a humane thing to do but don’t see the world ready for solely “humane” reasons not even Russia.

  3. Robert Barricklow

    The Rothschild’s Zionist State, Israel, allegiance is to the shekel. So the Silk Road looks to have blossomed from the Rothschild seed money. Time for harvesting a new field; as the FED’s fallow ground is going to be biblically broken up, for it is time to seek the Lord, till He come and rain righteousness upon you.
    Always use those untold centuries of mind-numbing ground work, laid-out by those biblical bible sales. You’ve got your believers; now use them against their own best interests!
    How long will China/Russia last?
    If they don’t issue their own currencies; they already dead in the water.

    1. “How long will China/Russia last? If they don’t issue their own currencies, they already dead in the water.”

      Yep, I think that is exactly what all the maneuvering is, behind the scenes. Get the tapeworm in, before the new host can develop a thick hide. All the rest of our ‘news’ is fluff, distracting from this primal battle…

      1. Same interview, p.8:

        “One very interesting analyst in Russia, called Ishchenko, has offered a theory which I think I endorse. It’s that there is a huge fight happening inside the United States right now between two factions. One faction wants to sacrifice the US for the sake of the empire, and the second faction wants to sacrifice the empire for the sake of the United States.

        The first faction who wants to sacrifice the US for the sake of the empire [is] the neocons and everything that surrounds them. And, the second faction, according to Ishchenko – and I’m not saying that for a fact is true, but he thinks, and I find that theory at least plausible – is the power base of Trump.

        I’m saying that the neocons are the faction that wants to sacrifice the US for the sake of the empire, and wants the empire at all costs. Whereas, the Trump people – in that hypothesis – would be those who say, ‘Forget the empire; let’s save the United States’. And, these are the people who would favor a negotiated solution pretty much everywhere. They realize that they cannot hold onto the empire. So, the smartest thing to do when you come to that realization is – what you call in Russia, ‘bringing down while stepping on the brakes’ – a controlled deconstruction of the empire…”

        1. Robert Barricklow

          The last one in the aforementioned list, Engdahl’s site, I specifically looked up to find one of many references – but is worth repeating.

    2. Along that line, I just ran into an interview of The Saker by C.A. Fitts. In it, The Saker says:

      “The thing is that the sanctions are [made] infinitely worse by the policies of the government. We said the fall in oil prices has hurt Russia, and that is true. But, I would say that the first thing that has hurt Russia is the economic policies of the Medvedev government. They have hurt Russia way-more because they’re in the Washington consensus; they are still concerned about inflation. They want a ruble that is not fixed but ‘free-floating’.

      All of these things – high interest rates, borrowing inside Russia, and still a heavy dependence and imbrications into the Western economic system – are not helpful. But, I think that Putin does not have the means.

      I wrote an article about that, saying, ‘There is a purge coming’, because I think what Putin is doing is actually preparing for a purge of that fifth column inside Russia. But, I think he needs to have unconditional support of the Russian people and prove that that policy is wrong, before being able to put other economists – such as Sergey Glazyev and others – in charge of a much more sovereigntist economic policy.” (p.5)

      solari dot com/00archive/web/solarireports/2016/sr20160929_1.pdf

    3. Robert Barricklow

      Goshawks,
      My reply to you is on the editing floor until further notice.
      [under moderation]

  4. If anybody can solve the Israeli Palestinian conflict, Putin can. And oh boy, if he does, he will make all those years of US “peace talks” trying to solve the problem, look ridiculous. It would also make the UN green with envy, the worlds largest cocktail party could not solve it, neither could all the US diplomacy.

  5. This whole improbable, nay downright implausible Russian-Israeli relationship — blossoming just as the USSA paints Putin as the new Hitler, undermining the homeland with evil hackers, while the ZioCons push NATO to his doorstep and draw rhetorical mushroom clouds — indicates nothing other than that the Empire is going down, soon and hard.

    The whole tawdry, unbelievably degrading (s-)election circus certainly seems to validate that big time.

    So it may very well be that the fractional-reserve “owners” of Rothschildistan (and of the US Congress and just about anything in the West that’s not nailed down and quite a lot that is) are quite aware of that soon-to-be fact, and most likely are arranging it.

    Quite obviously, they feel perfectly free to stab their host — the Almighty and Exceptional Unipolar Superpower — squarely in the back with impunity as they jump ship, while all the while still happy to accept all the many billions in tributes pressed upon them by bought-and-paid-for Congress Critters — who were of course bought and paid for with that fancy-printed Fed paper the owners of Rothschildistan just happened to print, too, since they are the globe’s financial Ouroborus.

    Anyway, this is bizarre on so many levels. Putin and Erdogan now BFFs. Israel and Russia now besties. Does Russia seriously want to grab the world’s stickiest tar baby? I doubt it. More realistically, this is trolling on a global scale. Everybody’s laughing at the collection of corrupt, clueless, over-achieving ex-student-council Beltway wannabees who think that they’re running the world with somebody else’s (funny) money.

    1. The case of DJT in this selection circus is indeed a strange one. One wonders what his real stake in all this is. Apparently he got burned for about $40 million back in ’07 or ’08 over a planned luxury hotel near Tel Aviv. His erstwhile partner, Sonny Kahn, sold the project to Shaya Boymelgreen’s Azorim Investments, and Trump subsequently sued and lost the case as well as the profits from the sale. Boymelgreen’s investment strategy is described as “concentrating…outside of the United States where he expected higher returns. He identified Eastern Europe as an emerging market with residential and commercial development potential.” However, just as Boymelgreen was realizing his dreams, the crisis of ’08 hit and his projects in Warsaw and Kiev were abandoned mid-construction. He was forced to sell his shares in Azorim. Oy vey.

      Perhaps the Deal Maker has been made an offer he can’t refuse? First crack at that virgin Caucausus territory quivering for strip malls, luxury apartments, and casinos? Or perhaps that mysterious phone call between Mr. Trump and Commissar Clinton just before his entry into the race discussed the planned Holodomor against the American Basket of Deplorables, and the resulting vast swathes of American heartland to be bought for pennies on the dollar only to be sold again to the hungry Chinese, mouths watering for Brangus beef and American cornfields?

      It certainly seems clear that someone is laughing all the way to the bank concerning the future of the good ole US of A. The plan at least seems simple enough – bankrupt the country, unleash racial and social chaos across the land, and disperse the military in a foreign war in which all players will take a piece of the American pie.

    2. Welcome the new boss, just like or worse than the old boss. My suspicion is that the US is just too big to let escape from their clutches. The global manipulators are losing their grip on the USA people and the local political rats are preparing to jump ship with their ill gotten gains as they set us up for a great fall. Trump may be their trump card for one last ditch effort to pull the wool back over our eyes before dismantling us, before we escape their control, or he may be our salvation. The manipulators are probably attempting to ensnare Russia and China if they haven’t already and are setting them up to be the new more easily controlled world boss. All the double crosses amongst the globalists over who will really control the NWO are playing out and I doubt this will be the last in the unexpected shifts in alliances we will be seeing as more double crosses take place.

    3. basta, you have a great way with words. Telling the truth squarely, while making it grotesquely entertaining. I would love to see the ‘file’ on you, and whether those reading-it have ‘jumped ship’ in response… (grin)

    4. Same C.A. Fitts interview referenced above (p.11): (Saker speaking)

      “When I was in college in the US in the late 1980’s and the early 1990’s, we gathered a group of some graduate students – all specialized in national security affairs. We had a debate on what could bring down the established political system – the regime, so to speak – in the United States. We all agreed that it would be an external factor. Internally, the system is so good at handling dissent or disagreement or information on everything else that we didn’t see any circumstance in which change would come from within. Our conclusion was that it would be either an economic or a military shock from the outside.

      I still tend to believe that. I think it would take a collapse of the dollar or a sunken American aircraft carrier to get a massive wake-up call with tremors inside the country…”

      Shades of Deutsche Bank or the Italian banks? (Possibly with Citigroup in the US being set-up to go-down with all the derivative exposure being channeled into it?)

  6. This development is also no doubt directly related to the events behind the Zerohedge headline this morning that reports, “Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected”.

  7. Since Russia is a real state with a real history and Ironically help bring Israel into existence. When it was the Soviet Union in 1948 with it’s vote in the UN it may be able to help settle the tangled mess in that area. With ties to the Palestinians and growing ties to Turkey helping Syria and renewing ties to Egypt it may be the only major power to cut the Gordian Knot that binds and enslave the nations of that area let us hope they can pull this off.

  8. Beware the hazard of irrational exuberance. There’s still that small matter of jihad. And short of resolving their pesky legacy-of-Muhammad kerfuffle, it isn’t clear how Russia, a proven friend of Shi:a Muslims, would mollify a largely-Sunni Palestinian population, whose greater part will no doubt demand what Israel will never allow.

    It therefore seems just as likely that Mother Russia will have taken an equal share with Israel in any damage done by a newly-inflamed Sunni/CIA jihad, will have aroused suspicion, if not open enmity, among her Shi:a/CIA allies, and ultimately will have halved any future sales of her own natural resources.

    Yet I hope they do manage it all and establish a peaceful Middle East, in spite of the U.S. Putin would have placed himself among the greatest statesmen in history.

    1. Actually I don’t think I’m indulging in irrational exuberance. There’s other developing stories about Chinese cooperation with Saudi Arabia in the “war on terror.” I suspect the big two BRICSA powers are each taking point on different segments of the Islamic world.

      1. Well, I’ll admit to being a very cautious skeptic. (I’m not holding my breath as the FBI reviews these emails either, likely a preemptive CYA/reputation salvage operation — though one admittedly hurting Hillary in the interim.) But seeing the Muslim world shepherded together into a lasting peace would of course be ideal. And perhaps such a lasting peace might have arisen long ago, had the U.S./CIA/UN not engineered discord.

        Yet the CIA in fact has meddled in the Middle East for generations now, no doubt aided by Israel, to whom a record $38 billion was only recently committed. Even the Saudis just received $1.2 billion in tanks and other equipment. So what’s changed? Of primary importance is what Israel wants, I suspect; and I don’t believe they will ever want a Palestinian state, to say nothing of a single Muslim-Jewish electorate. (Would they now also support Assad being retained and Iran strengthened?)

        Again, I HOPE I’m proved wrong — both in Israel and all Muslims being led to peacefully coexist in a Middle East stripped of U.S. influence and in Hillary getting 50 to life. But if I had Putin’s ear, I’d remind him to proceed with extreme caution just the same, as the Muslim sectarian division, and to a lesser extent their common enmity toward Jews, predates Mother Russia herself.

        1. Daryl, a small typo in your post (grin):

          “Yet the CIA in fact has meddled in the Middle East for generations now, no doubt aided by Israel…”

          should read:

          “Yet Israel in fact has meddled in the Middle East for generations now, no doubt aided by the CIA…”

          1. Fair point, goshawks, and all the more reason why a biblical style event would have occurred if Israel, stalemated in Syria, had wholly abandoned its “survival” strategy of sowing discord throughout the Middle East — and by extension, Europe — in favor of fearlessly accepting within its own society these same….forgiving (?) Muslims, young and old, or at least of accepting at its shrunken borders a sovereign Palestinian state. I’d truly embrace such a surprising turn of events — lions and lambs — but as with all things improbable, I’ll believe it when I see it. (I don’t consider, by the way, conspiracy or intelligent alien life improbable.)

          2. Daryl, Israel (really, the clan that owns and operates it) will be an intriguing test as to whether Karma exists…

      2. The Russians and the Chinese have their own special negotiation tools to bring to the table when dealing with Muslims.
        Usually starting with overwhelming death and bullets, followed quickly with tanks, flames and bigger bombs.
        Whereas the other powers that be suddenly get blocked and swamped with unfathomable political correctness and inablity to react.

  9. It was only a matter of time. We can assume the Russians have infiltrated Israeli society with their agents over the last few decades with the large influx of Russian jews to the promised land. Not to mention just a general bias towards Russia by many of Israel’s substantial number of Russian immigrants. And then there are the Israeli business people who would astutely see the financial benefit of closer ties with the rising Eurasian behemoth versus the thoroughly picked over and sucked dry corpse of the west. Add to this the inestimable value of all the west’s military and security secrets which the zionist can then peddle to the Russians and Chinese for favor and fortune.

    But beyond territorial security, natural gas trade, an Silk Road influence, what else could the Israelis hope to gain with this new advantageous relationship with Russia? Could Israel maneuver itself to be the next great banking hub for the Eastern world and the future repository of Eurasian ill gotten gains, replacing Switzerland? Who will control the world illicit drug trade if the USA is knocked from it’s perch? What about a new center for the global pharmaceutical industry? Maybe even a new worldwide media empire based out of Tel Aviv as the lights in Hollywood and NY dim and these tinsel towns become dangerously unlivable after dollar restructuring.

    But would this be what Putin wants? I think not. How then will he put these genies back in the bottle is anyone’s guess.

    1. “Could Israel maneuver itself to be the next great banking hub for the Eastern world and the future repository of Eurasian ill gotten gains, replacing Switzerland?”

      Hmmm. That would be an interesting maneuver. It would mean that any remaining Templar founding-influence in Switzerland has irrevocably waned. Would ‘whatever the Templars have become’ just stand by? Or, would we see a push-back of some sort? Or, was it a ‘deal’ of some sort?

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