NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM OCT 6 2016
October 6, 2016 / /
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Russian military drills, thermonuclear alerts, and now Libya has asked for Russia's help:
Russia Asked to Intervene in Libya: Gaining Clout in Middle East
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The juvenile rhetoric about Russia coming from Westminster as well as Washington arises straight from the wellspring of psychopathy.
I have a cousin in the USA who sent me a short video of people on one of your news networks discussing World War III as if it were a legitimate option. Are the vast majority of US Americans as insane as these US Americans discussing World War III as an option?
World War III would be fought in minutes and nothing in the Northern Hemisphere would endure or survive … not even in Iceland or the Yukon.
Pellevoisin, it varies with age. Older folks who were ‘trained’ in the nuke-your-city days are intelligent about WWIII. It is abhorrent to them. As you go younger and younger, the more ignorant – and thus stupid – you tend to get about this subject. I am afraid you are seeing the up-and-coming power-seekers with no REAL idea of nuclear war…
My Humble and Ignorant Opinion is: War would be a wonderful excuse to blame a collapse on.. Russia knows this. However, will the Russians be given an option on pulling the nuke trigger?? If the Russians can engineer a bunch of the PTB to commit nail gun suicide. They might be able to make their point. However, I do believe the Ruskies are way out classed in the technology dept. Once again, not enough real capability info. My second guess is the PTB will cause mega disasters as a plan B, to cover collapse $FRN loss of WRC status, etc. Just what’s in their arsenal and what are they prepared to use to cover their tracks is anyone’s guess. Oh, and lets not forget the option of an engineeered civil war in the US and in Europe..
We have drills too but then they go Live action and people die.
The Russians were invited. We weren’t.
Could Hellery’s health issues be “bad vibrations” of the Royal Rife kind?
Well, the US government will save itself, as those shelters have been kept up. But who will they ‘govern’ when they crawl out like a bunch of worms?
I don’t know….they’re pretty stupid, Joseph. DC has become one large lunatic asylum.
According to my news this morning, Russia has a foot up ready to step right in it. And the US war mongers have but little time, only to the rest of this year as I see it.
i think we’re all overlooking the various degrees of insane (by our standards) tactics the alienated oligarchs are shaking off the other occupants of what they consider their planet. catherine fitts is still saying what she’s been saying all along and so far her points have been consistently reaffirmed all along.
wd and doc. i’m still trying to sort out you comments at the start of these comments. wd, all that came through here is the indignity over people with parasitic fortunes protecting themselves from the collapse that parasitism causes. doc, i can’t tell what you’re reiterating there. any help?
neru, nice point. what i get here from all these news bits is that the ussa is not the hegemon it was and cannot get away with the level of terrorism they used to. and russia is powerful enough to take over slowly and carefully without resorting to stupid overly destructive fruitless tactics.
through all this i’m not convinced that vlad is a white hat. let alone that he’s a white hat who stands strong outside the reach of rottenchildren or their minions who do their best to look inifinite in the west.
in terms of possible tactics that indicate what we consider insane strategies and goals – what was lost and who lost it at chernobyl? what was lost and who lost it at fukushima? more importantly, what was gained and who is still gaining it?
through all this the most reassuring aspects are that putin is apparently successfully doing what he’s doing and the west is apparently doing far less of the destruction it had previously doing.
so how can we help this trend to continue? how far can this trend go without the west’s oligarchs spazzing out ala catherine austin fitts’ theory? she sees the west shutting down for whatever excuse (war, saudi disinvestment, geoengineered flood/drought,….) and completing their siphoning of western wealth and making it irreversible with global reorganization as has been done for generations of wars back to forever.
emlong, good point. it does bring to mind more of what fitts brings up. perhaps the shelters and all are not intended to survive major catastrophe as much as give the impression of having survived some major catastrophe after a major culling of some other nature is introduced. an actual plague doesn’t need to happen to achieve genocidal goals. clearly psyops and corrupt health/med officialdom is quite adequate to that task. anyone meet a clown with a box of zika/ebola mosquitos lately?
doc you seem to be making my point about forgetting catherine fitts’ point in the article on breaking bricsa.
They really are insane because THEY have been inter and intra marrying for hundreds, if not thousands, of years and one of the problems with that, of course, is genetic insanity.
Pleasant thought, isn’t it?
Nuke bomb “shelters” is an oxymoron. Doesn’t matter how many years people can live in one – they can never come up for air on a nuked planet on which all the infrastructure is annihilated. They are as as good as dead – just a matter of time.
From around the water cooler: They actually have the know how to deal with most radiation now. And THAT is a scary thought.
There could well be a different asset in Putin’s mind as to who might be targeted other than the “usual suspects”. Consider the opinion piece appearing in the New York Times on 09-14-2016 titled “America’s Mr. Diplomacy”. This opinion piece cites an important person in the current Washington Establishment and it makes a rather startling claim. Here is the important portion of the text:
“The [Syrian cease-fire] agreement also has powerful critics inside the Obama administration, including Defense Secretary Ashton Carter. Pentagon officials refused to say whether they would comply with their part of the deal, which calls on the United States to share information with the Russians on Islamic State targets in Syria if the cease-fire holds for seven days.”
Here the Pentagon source cited above is Ash Carter who appears to be telegraphing a message to anyone who cares to listen, and that message is the POTUS should not be certain the Pentagon will comply with orders that it (Ash Carter) may not agree with.
There is no doubt in my mind that a commander in Syria, or any other location for that matter, would be so stupid or careless as to undertake a major, serious strike against the Syrian Army on their own initiative during a cease-fire period. However, they would carry out a lawful order that came through the proper channels.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Monday [09-26-2016], “The US Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama supported cooperation with Russia, as I was always assured. He himself confirmed this during a meeting with [Russian President Vladimir] Putin in China. Apparently, the military does not quite obey their supreme commander.”
When considering all that has transpired these past days it does appear the ObamaNation does NOT want his term as POTUS to be remembered as the Administration that was engaged in WWIII, much less to have one of his underlings, like Ash Carter, initiate some hostile actions that lead to WWIII. What he wants to do is to further his own agenda. What better way to ascend to further heights as World Agitator than to be voted in as Secretary General of the UN?
Is anyone familiar with Titus Oates, The Yellow Peril, Murdering Savages. The boogeymen names change but they serve the same purpose scaring the rest of us but in reality the elites and their fellow travelers are the ones who believe in the boogeymen. In Washington DC Doofus Central the idiots are running the asylum it’s not insanity that will kill us all but stupidity. As Robert A. Heinlein is suppose to have said Never Underestimate the Power of Human Stupidity.
Maybe it’s finally sinking in Worldwide that what dangerous idiots the West really are.
On the big-picture side, I am reminded of an old science-fiction short-story. In it, two interstellar races are at war. One group is calculating exactly what it should take to force the other into negotiations, and conducting the war by that strategy. But, it is not working. Enter a rogue scientist. He wonders whether the opponents have the same basic values of his culture. He goes into the aliens’ actual battle-strategies, and backs-out what should be their value-system. He convinces the authorities to switch to this mode of fighting, unimaginable as it may be to our side. Soon, fighting by ‘stupid’ rules, the aliens are forced to the negotiating table…
The reason that I bring this up is that TPTB are not stupid. (Alien, yes – whether just-emotionally or physically.) What they have been doing in the world, and in subsets like the Middle East, has been to maximize whatever they value. They are not losing; far from it…
Like the scientist in the short-story, we need to ‘map-out’ their value-system from what They are doing, not from how We (empathic, feeling humans) would see it. What are unacceptable losses TO THEM. (Not us.) Only then will we have a chance of forcing them out, or to the negotiating table…
On the Russian nuclear-defense drills, I think the Russian leadership have finally wrapped-themselves around the mindset of their ‘foes’. They have come to the conclusion that atomic-bomb-level events Inside Russia are the likely next step of TPTB. Recall that from the collapse of the USSR to the rise of Putin, their borders were very porous. Anything from suitcase nukes to city-buster nukes could have been brought-in, piece-by-piece, and assembled in the city of choice. Hence, those drills…
As an aside, this may herald the Russians getting close to taking-back their Central Bank and such. TPTB will not allow this, to the best of their ability, and are likely to go to ‘terrorist’ nukes to push-back. Russian leaders have wrapped their heads around this ‘value system’ and are responding accordingly. (Defensively; not-yet offensively…)
I wish that some Western white-hat types would do this type of analysis, and act accordingly…
Thank you for this, Joseph.
I am embarrassed to say that I felt hopeful and happy that Putin may send his ‘special agents’, spetznatz, et al, to help the ever destructive elites ‘retire’ from their busywork. What a relief for the Planet! What a chance for the People who still try to be ‘People’ and not conscience-less ‘useless eaters'(there’s one back atcha, Henry Kissinger)
As a Christian, I am Supposed to be kind, gentle and forgiving: but enough is enough.
Still we need to love our enemies. Pray for them. As Pogo said in the 1960’s political comic, ‘We have met the enemy and he is us’. We all have the ‘passions’ (aka,’attachments’-Buddhist) roiling within us. None of us are free of potential bad-guy thoughts and actions. Metanoia.
Anti-Nazis, err… Anti-Islamist.
Gladio groups, err.. Terrorist Groups.
NATO’s/West’s war on Peace, err… War on Terror.
The West’s mask is coming off.
The elite’s personae is becoming interchangeable with insanity.
The Wizard behind the curtain is madly conjuring up illusionary distractions, lest that cabal be exposed to the dumbed-down.
As Fitzgerald said, They are different from you & me… [in spades!]
the dumbed down can always be counted on right?
If the US could have pulled of “a no fly zone” that could have been desasterous. Luckely the same trickery box is no longer working and the parasites have no creativity to create different trickeries. Public hissyfits is only what is left.
The future unfolding is becoming interesting because if those parasites play the same game their hegemony territory will shrink exponentialy faster and faster. More hissyfits to be expected. A more embarrassing way to befell parasites swimming in hubris is hardly imaginable.
Another excellent piece.
I just wish the Russians would do humanity a huge favor start killing these monsters right now.
Get to it, Vlad.
If this is going to get down and dirty, I think that the Russians and the Chinese will be up to it.
Ah, but the USSA has been preparing shelters for “continuation of government” and the criminal cabal of which it consists. Just how many of those DUMBS have been constructed over the last 60+ years? Do you honestly believe they will let any of we the people into any of them? Not only that, but the elite have been building their own personal shelters at breakneck speed. These people do not intend to go quietly into the night. They will dig in like the blood sucking ticks they are and try to ride it out and the rest of us be damned.
Their actions, they believe, have placed them above the law and above any reprisals of any kind, by anyone. They believe no one would dare take any real action against them. This couldn’t be any more obvious as they aren’t even bothering to attempt to hide their criminality any more.
Maybe there’s a thermobaric solution to those shelters, but don’t tell the owners. nudge nudge wink wink monty python style.
The U.S. Cold War strategy was dispersion of population, which gave us the suburbs and eventually sprawl, as no local economy can be built upon housing alone. This was due to the assessment of “urban vulnerability” – concentrations of population and industry made cities targets. The Soviet and Chinese hardened their cities, which was used in negotiations as a sign of intent for first strike. As a regional planner since 1973, I posited Americans had a fear of density. In spite of pro-density talk, land use led to lower and lower density, and more and longer vehicle trips. It wasn’t until 2004 that I learned this history. Read the Cold War history here Why the low density, automobile dependent suburbs in the U.S.? Urban Vulnerability-Fear of Nuclear Attack led to U.S. Policies to Disperse Population in the 1950’s-Oops, that’s Sprawl
The U.S. Cold War strategy was dispersion of population, which gave us the suburbs and eventually sprawl, as no local economy can be built upon housing alone. This was due to the assessment of “urban vulnerability” – concentrations of population and industry made cities targets. The Soviet and Chinese hardened their cities, which was used in negotiations as a sign of intent for first strike. As a regional planner since 1973, I posited Americans had a fear of density. In spite of pro-density talk, land use led to lower and lower density, and more and longer vehicle trips. It wasn’t until 2004 that I learned this history. Read the Cold War history here http://goo.gl/ARpTM Why the low density, automobile dependent suburbs in the U.S.? Urban Vulnerability-Fear of Nuclear Attack led to U.S. Policies to Disperse Population in the 1950’s-Oops, that’s Sprawl
Thanks for the link!
No I don’t honestly think that… that was my precise point! Why does Russia prepare to protect a sizeable portion of the population, and we haven’t even made a pretense of it since the 1950s and 1960s
I meant the “elite’s” shelters/bunkers.
American arrogance makes it extremely difficult to consider that we could ever possibly be attacked here at home by anyone other than our own government, even though it’s an all too real possibility. This alone seems to lend some understanding of why we, as a nation, have not made what might be considered prudent preparations for a significant percentage of our population. It certainly isn’t as if there wouldn’t be profits to be made by large corporations undertaking such projects.
We have little knowledge of how many DUMBS have been constructed, or what their total capacity or locations might be. Construction of these bases have been ongoing for decades under an umbrella of secrecy. Whether these would be opened for the protection of a percentage of the populace is debatable.
The elite certainly don’t mind instigating conventional wars world wide for the profits they provide and the furtherance of their agendas. There is no profit in world wide nuclear war; therefore, there is no incentive for them to consider starting one. All the money and power in the world would be meaningless afterwards; and they hold onto both more than life itself.
There is also the remote possibility that we may still need those weapons as a deterrent to “outside” interference by “cosmic cousins”. I find it difficult to believe that we are presently anywhere near their equal.
Joseph: U.S. ‘citizens who think’ (and stink and uselessly eat) are also part of the problem — at least since 1960s. ;-).
If PTB oligarchs, Khazarians and/or Nazis can get ‘others’ to eliminate that problem for them, then they won’t take the blame.
BRICS & BRICS-aligned nations are making that ‘elimination’ all the more difficult. Libya is a new BRICS-aligned nation.