UH HUH… NOW THEY’RE SAYING RUSSIA WAS BEHIND RECENT HACKS, ...
Now this is interesting, because I recently blogged (yesterday in fact) about the Demoratic National Committee hacks, and mentioned that there didn't seem to be any evidence for its claim that Russia was behind the hack. Of course, when I blog, I do so weekly, pre-scheduling blogs, so that blog was actually written two weeks ago.But now, thanks to a CNBC Twitter tweet that Mr. A.S. found and brought to my attention, the "evidence" is now there:
BREAKING: DHS & DNI say intel community confident that Russia directed recent hacks of people, institutions & political organizations" pic.twitter.com/i1YdOO5eTM
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) October 7, 2016
You'll note that this is now " a joint statement from the department of homeland security and the "office of the director of national intelligence on election security." Then follows assertions that election security is being compromised by scans from servers "operated by a Russian company," and then provide no evidence. It then goes on to state that the US election system would be "extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts" because of the de-centralized nature of the US election system. And of course all of this are "consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts" which, of course, have happened all over Europe and Eurasia. Of course, those "methods and motivations" which all of these alleged hacks are "consistent with" go completely unstated.
This whole tweet, in my opinion, is so ridiculous on almost every level I don't know where to begin. In an age were public cynicism is so low, one would have thought that the Reichsicherheitdienst would at least provide some evidence for their assertions. But there is, in fact, absolutely nothing here but assertion, which, frankly, I do not believe.
The "answer" to that question brings me to my high octane speculation of the day. When I first heard these claims coming from the Demoratic National Committee after the revelation of emails indicating that the "fix was in" against self-confessed socialist Senator Sanders, I was extremely skeptical. There was little reason for Russia to be involved in such activity, and any exposure of it by the USA could cement in many people's minds the carefully driven US media meme that Russia is the epicenter of All That Is Evil In The World and that Mr. Putin is the Criminal Genius Behind It. But since then, my position has changed somewhat, and largely do to the "War WIth Russia" hysteria and lunacy we've seen coming from the neo-con madmen in the District of Corruption who back the campaign of the newest Sith Lord. The rhetoric has reached such epic levels that Russia recently held nuclear war exercises that included the movement of almost 40,000,000 people in Russia to the evacuation points for underground shelters. The Russian government is warning of immanent nuclear war. And all of it while the USSA has been the country fostering radical Islamic terrorism and all its associated crimes against Muslims, Christians, and just about anyone else that gets in its way, destablized the Middle East from Libya to Iraq, and to drive neo-Nazis into power in the Ukraine. With the world dangerously close to catastrophe because of the insanity of the neo-cons in the Demoratic party and their supporters in the Relublithug party (think only of King George's endorsement of Darthillary, revealing for all to see what that family stands for and supports), I now have no difficulty that Russia would attempt to influence the outcome of the USSA's election. After all, survival and civilization might depend on it. If it takes Russia to save us from ourselves and the evil neo-con globaloneyist cabal now ruling the country, I'd day, "go for it Vlad, and good luck and God bless." And I'm not joking either, for increasingly I find myself praying for the Russian President's protection and guidance, for clearly our own "leaders" are without any rational or moral compass.
My problem is on the other end of the story. If there was conclusive evidence, it should be presented. But I strongly suspect that there isn't, and that again, the whole story about hacking activity might simply be contrived to rationalize the recent decision to place the entire election under "federal oversight" (meaning pro neo-con pro-globaloneyist and largely pro-Demoratic control). Even if not, and if the story is real, where's the evidence? Show the detailed proof. This is your chance, prove that the Russians are behind this.
The problem is, no on trusts them not to manufacture the evidence.
The other problem here is that election fraud, which was a joke to Mr. Obama just a few weeks ago, is now tacitly being admitted by the Reichsicherheitdienst in a case of "yes we can have our cake and eat it too." This mutual contradiction runs like a black thread through the tweet: we're concerned about hacking but the system is secure because of its de-centralized nature. And this brings us to the core of the issue. Are cyber-systems secure? Answer: no. Are cyber-clearing and counting systems secure? Answer, no. And do hackers usually lead a hacking trail that leads directly to themselves, i.e., to Russia? Answer, no, not, at least, without several false leads. In other words, voting fraud has been with us in a major war as long as it has been automated by machines. I'm not saying it isn't possible to stuff a paper ballot box or that it didn't exist before the advent of the machines, but the machines make the process much much easier. And now the some of the same people most likely to commit it to assure the "result" that they want, have stepped in to oversee the process.
So, I'm sorry, I'm not convinced.
See you on the flip side...
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I first heard of the source of the hacking from a reporter who saw the evidence from German intelligence, he said it was undeniable. I don’t know, but if the source originally came from Germany, then perhaps the US intelligence is not at liberty to disclose it; besides, would they even if they could, because in so doing you reveal your sources, which they don’t want to do. If Russia is behind it, you can be sure it has to do with Julian Assange. I wish I could feel as confident about Putin as the rest of you, but I don’t trust him any more than any of the others, and I really doubt that he would be the savior that everyone wants him to be. I’m sorry to be so glum about the situation, but that’s how I see it.
Accusations of wrongdoing against Putin with no evidence of complicity in the alleged ‘crime’? Where have we heard that before? Less people are buying Establishment lies every day. The question is, if Trump was able to win could he, or would he abandon America’s unipolarism? Absolutely not!
How else could he make “Amercia Great Again”? What could happen is an understanding where Trump America
would withdraw from Syria and give Russia enough time to restore Syria. Trump could stop the insanity in Ukraine by letting it implode sooner rather than later. Let Russia pour its rubles into rebuilding Syria and Ukraine, while Trump rebuilds America.
Also what would be the possibilty that if American and Russian interests worked together, or at least stopped opposing each other, could the scourge of terrorism be quelled? In my opinion it could be a step forward and it would provide time to re-build both nations.
The 64 trillion dollar question is, ‘Would the rouge network allow that to happen’? No! It would create some other ungodly mess, probably in or around Mosul, the South China Sea or where-ever else it deemed suitable, and it would most likely occur prior to Trump taking the oath of office.
been seeing more and more vote for nobody signs and stickers.
anyone seeing more signs of putin for president 2016 ussa?
CNN replayed the 1992 Presidential debate last night, during which George H. W. , beside whom perched Bill Clinton, bemoaned the thriving cocaine trade and recounted how his father had told him to always tell the truth. How did George H. W., then the sitting President and a former head of the CIA, lose that election? His defeat seemingly belies any theory that the deep state was then in the business of rigging elections, unless Bush’s own loss also signaled the breaking away of some emerging CIA faction from the traditional ranks of the CIA, much as JFK’s assassination signaled a breaking away of the CIA from the office of the President. Some deeper CIA faction, therefore, both faced with Perot’s threat to the two-party political system and hampered by a President who objected to its more extreme agenda, “spooked” Perot and threw its support to the already CIA-complicit Clinton, as the candidate more amenable to actions deemed necessary to ensure the supremacy of the United States, secondarily, and the survival of the faction itself, primarily. What seems clearest, in any case, is that George H. W., who had only recently won a war but refused to invade Baghdad, was no longer in charge.
Eight years later, after Clinton’s scandals and bank deregulation, Gore lost in 2000 only after a very messy Florida re-count and a highly controversial Supreme Court decision. But why would such obvious and amateurish political theater have been written this way? Why not direct a soaring triumph instead, if the election’s results were to be predetermined? Dick Cheney was on the ticket; and George W. was eager to execute what his father would not: deposing Saddam Hussein. Why then such an awkward and a transparent rigging? And beyond this, why wait until another Bush returned to the Office in order to initiate this extra-constitutional agenda? Why not a 9/11 on Clinton’s watch? Was he simply too reckless or too greedy to be entrusted with these extra-constitutional measures?
Such ancient history remains relevant today, obviously, because another Clinton now seeks the Oval Office. In the interim we’ve had Barack Obama as our President, who once elected never even attempted to present himself as anything other than a figurehead for the deep state. In this light it seems inconceivable that wildcard Trump could succeed Obama and Bush and Clinton and H. Bush. Yet the polls are still close, and this business of blaming Russian hackers and of allowing Homeland Security to oversee polling stations attests to the lengths the deep state must still go to avoid another Florida re-count, let alone another Perot or Kennedy — the very same redundant and oddly transparent lengths to which it went in order to ensure a total annihilation of the twin towers.
So things have come full circle now, as H. Bush endorsed Hillary, most likely to prove his loyalty to an old system away from which this reigning neocon faction first broke on his watch; and Obama has endured his first veto override for a bill that, if we still had that old system, might have led to the discovery of the neocon agenda. But perhaps we’re witnessing the destruction of the presidency itself; so that it won’t matter who wins anymore — no need to rig anything, only to have utterly destroyed both candidates by October’s end, since neither can be trusted by the reigning faction.
Clinton and Bush and the drug trade??
Clinton(s) and Bush(es) are simple pawns used by the CIA to cover their vast drug smuggling operation with the Medellin cartel through (CIA controlled) Ilopango Air Base. They even used money from drug profits to pay for the Clinton presedntial campaign in 1992
They even flushed their main man(Clinton Mr. at that time) through the toilet with a “sex scandal” (think Mss Lewenski) to railroad the media at a time when the CIA was releasing their reports about Gary Webb.. All of a sudden it became more important and more expensive to worry about whether a man had received a blowjob, than the CIA being reponsable for the import and développement of crack cocaine in the US.
You bet your back teeth… (the ones that melt first through cocaine abuse) King Bush is giving Clinton his thumb of approuval. There’s money to be made..
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Two for two, now…
goshawks – October 9, 2016 at 1:06 pm.
As far as “the US election system would be ‘extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts’ because of the de-centralized nature of the US election system,” that is not the point. It is possible to simply identify ‘swing states’, and target only THEIR machines. I can think of at least two states where this has likely been done in the past…
A controversial website author has pointed out that “DHS & DNI say intel community confident that Russia directed recent hacks of people, institutions & political organizations” means that DHS & DNI have inadvertently VALIDATED the email content. So, any ‘whoops’ emails can now be taken as fact (hopefully, in prosecutions).
(The other interesting observation by the controversial website author is that the sheer volume of the email release made it essentially impossible for it to have been done by a private hacker. It had to have been done by someone with deep pockets and access…)
like soros or omidyar?
Link to Part 1 of Bev Harris’ Black Box Voting multipart article on the GEMS software that is already installed on U.S. voting machines that count 25% of the vote.
But should you be surprise Joseph in a state that has openly assassinated four of it’s head of state publicly. And who run a country that more like a confederation of tribes that hates government(civilization) and worships barbarism now more openly than before all we need is for open human sacrifice though I think they have been boing that secretly for all time now. The insane asylum that is the USSA is now in the open for all to see and I doubt their stoned out on drugs that is not even needed to preform this idiocy the West has shown at least for millennia that they’re idiots but USSA takes the cake.
Marcos, I hope that you are directing those remarks to the deep-state and their lackeys, rather than the citizenry – particularly, those who are semi-awake but unclear as to how to escape from the Lilliputian webs…
“If it takes Russia to save us from ourselves and the evil neo-con globaloneyist cabal now ruling the country, I’d day, “go for it Vlad, and good luck and God bless.” And I’m not joking either, for increasingly I find myself praying for the Russian President’s protection and guidance, for clearly our own “leaders” are without any rational or moral compass.”
I could not possibly agree more. All the best to Putin and the Russians.
High-octane speculation: the anti-Russia/Putin hysteria (which may serve several agendas), along with the Joseph’s comments above and the push to involve DHS more directly in state election machinery, hints at an effort to invalidate a close Trump victory. In this scenario, the Feds have positioned themselves to perhaps tweak vote counts and/or plant some evidence of Russian hacking – or merely assert it, as has been done here – and off to the courts we go.
This is simply more imperial propaganda being used to manipulate people into accepting war with Russia. TPTB have been doing this very same thing repeatedly. Over the years they have paraded a long list of Hitlers that must be stopped at all costs, when they wanted to invade some poor country for fun and profit. Saddam Hussien, Manuel Noriega, Hugo Chavez, Kadhafi, and now the dreaded Putin, scourge of humanity.
What is sad, is that the idiot masses never seem to catch on. They buy the Big Lie every single time.
The #1 product:
Manufactured Truth = Manufactured War
Is the entire campaign meaningless theater?
I guess the question faced by the Russians during the US presidential season is: what kind of poison do they prefer? They certainly have every reason to be wary of a Brooklyn j e wish communist like Bernie Sanders after what befell Russia early in the 20th Century at the hands of invading Brooklyn j e wish communists like Trotsky. Likewise, the existential threat from corporate fascist war mongering Hillary can only remind the Russians of the destruction imposed on them by the Third Reich. Yet, would the Russians fare better with a Napoleon-like megalomaniac like Trump? It would appear so. Trump has been very conciliatory with the Russians and Putin. I doubt Napoleon initially entertained aspirations of conquering Russia as he took over the reigns of France. But over time, Napoleon’s megalomania got the best of him and his craving for empire and squashing adversaries propelled him to eventually lay bloody siege on the Russians. In Trump’s quest to make America great again and faced with the stark reality that this can only be achieved, at least for the interim, through the continuance of dollar hegemony and creditor subservience, could Trump turn on the Russians if they continue to challenge America’s unipolarism and the shaky empire Trump has inherited and wants to make great again? Would Trump’s ego and character allow for a graceful dismantling of the American empire in favor of a multipolar world where we are all partners? That may be the million dollar question. The odds of making America great again in Trump’s lifetime would most likely be zilch if the dollar lost its reserve currency status. An economic calamity would surely ensue which Trump would never be able to correct in one or even two Presidential terms. Therefore, Trump may be force to defend American unipolarism or risk abject failure in his restoring greatness quest, and I am sure there will be no shortage of military and economic advisors who will counsel him so. And when they assure him of our military supremacy over the Russians, Trump may take the bait, just like Napoleon and Hitler.
Vomito Blanco, I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you. I’m also very wary of Trump. Although he says the correct buzz words like globalism, jobs and make-a-deal-with-Putin his demogoguery and simplistic ideas really trouble me. After I listened to his acceptance speech at the RNC the word that automatically came out of my mouth was “Mussolini”. His demeanor was pompous, his words were mean spirited and his persona really reminded me of Charlie Chaplain’s depiction of Il Duce in the Great Dictator. Just substitute “making the trains run on time” with “make American Great Again”. If you think that Trump’s foreign policy will be any more humane than Clinton’s, go listen to Michael Flynn’s speech at the RNC. It was the worst speech on foreign policy that I have ever heard. It was jingoistic and sickening. And to think this is Trump’s main military advisor.
Now think about this logic for a second. What I am about to say may ruffle some feathers but here it goes. If you agree completely with Paul Craig Roberts that the only hope for the world is an economic and financial collapse of the United States then don’t you think that Hillary would be the right person to provoke this? After all she is so corrupt and for sale that her presidency will actually be very weak and totally compromised. For the right price even Russia or China can bribe her and buy her off. Her corruption could even work to Russia and China’s advantage. Her presidency will really split the country and eventually cause havoc. The United States, being responsible since 1945 for so much misery in the world and responsible for tens of millions of innocent people killed, must be cut down in size. There is not one independent leader anywhere on the planet that can feel safe now. The United States is destroying nation after nation like a bull in a china shop. The world must stop this psychopathic and sociopathic nation in its tracks. The United States is like a serial killer that must be stopped before any one else is a victim. I for one don’t want America Great Again at least in the short term. Let Russia, China and the BRICS become very powerful and invincible and where the world balance of power is irrevocably on their side and then I could agree to Make America Great Again. In the meantime the world desperately needs the US weakened so it can breathe a sigh of relief.
Yes if Trump becomes President there will be plenty of traps set for him to fall into….this is why Trump’s put down of Pence concerning Russia was very important.
Why do I get the impression that this “election”, more so than others, is an all to obvious stage show performed by black magicians. The amount of misdirection and slight of hand is way too obvious. The performance is far too poor; and they don’t care if you catch them in the act. Their arrogance has now grown so large, their confidence so entrenched, they feel they can do as they please, right in our faces. We have suffered thirty years under the “leadership” of the Bush/Clinton criminal enterprises to the point where the constitution is meaningless, the bill of rights an inconvenience, and the rape of our nation by the banks and globalists is almost complete. There is little doubt, in my mind, they are attempting to force Hitlery upon us to finish the job. There is very little blood left to suck out of the carcass. Their transition to the dark side is almost complete; the blood sacrifice of an entire nation will complete it.
I would start looking to the north, what you may see coming wont be “chemtrails” but ballistic missal contrails heading over the pole. Their belief that those ancient ABM’s will save us is unfounded.
We have become ancient Babylon; and the Whore of Babylon waits in the wings to claim her crown.
If Russian electronic warfare has advanced to a level where they can clap on // clap off a warboat and then tea-bag them with fake bombing runs, then I doubt that they’d be seen holding a smoking gun. Unless they no longer care.
Either way, it’s a scary world.
I thought that USA had seen that voting machines weren’t to be trusted with the bush/gore elections.. Didnt Bush actually lose it, if some machines were recounted… Then Gore threw in the towel and said, beh.. its alright, let him have it..