"We as a species have the choice to continue to develop our bodies and brains in a healthy upward trajectory, or we can follow the Western example of recent decades and intentionally poison our population with genetically altered food, pharmaceuticals, vaccinations, and fast food that should be classified as a dangerous, addictive drug."
Russian President Vladimir Putin
So many people sent versions of this story - i.e., the phone call initiated by Russian President Vladimir Putin to President-elect Donald Trump - that it must be commented upon, particularly for what some of the story implies. Here's the U.K.'s Daily Mirror's version of the story, along with some interesting videos of the Russian State Duma's reaction to Mrs. Clinton's loss:
Trump and Putin vow to tackle ISIS together as they hold breakthrough talks after billionaire's election
While the centerpiece of this conversation appears to be the two leaders' mutual agreement on cooperation to tackle ISIS, there's much more, apparently, in the story. An article on Zero Hedge by "Tyler Durden" titled "Putin and and Trump hold Phone Conversation, Agree to Normalize Relations" datelined the 14th of this month, pulls a bit more of the veil off the conversation. The article, while short, is worth looking at for what it suggests about the nature of that conversation:
Moments ago the Kremlin
released a statement in which the Russian presidency reported that Putin and Trump held a conversation, in which the Russian leader congratulated his American counterpart again on his victory in the presidential election, wished him "success in the implementation of the pre-election program, and noted his willingness to build a partnership dialogue with the new administration on the principles of equality, mutual respect and non-interference in the internal affairs of each other."
In other words, the Kremlin statement is attributing the principles of "equality, mutual respect and non-interference in the internal affairs of each other" not simply to the Kremlin, but to Mr. Trump. The Kremlin statement then highlights what may be a complete reversal of the current US policy of economic sanctions, according to Zero Hedge:
During the conversation, Putin and Trump "not only agreed to assess the current unsatisfactory state of bilateral relations, but also spoke in favor of active joint work to normalize relations and aim for constructive cooperation on a wide range of issues. The call emphasized in particular the importance of creating a solid foundation of bilateral ties through the development of trade and economic relations.
Obviously, if trade development and economic relations are to be discussed, then the current sanctions regime is on the table. The
Zero Hedge article goes on to note that the two leaders apparently agreed on the number one problem: international terrorism, and ISIS. (For those interested in the original Kremlin statement, see
Telephone Conversation with President-Elect of the United States, Donald Trump (In Russian)). Indeed, in the second paragraph of the official Kremlin account of this conversation, we read:
During the conversation, Putin and D. Trump not only agreed to assess the current very poor state of Russo-American relations, but also spoke in favor of active joint work to their normalization, and removal in the direction of constructive cooperation on a wide range of issues. Underlined in particular was the importance of creating a solid foundation of bilateral ties through the development of their trade and economic component." (Emphasis added)
In other words, the conversation was much more than a simple "meet and greet" by telephone, it was a basic ground-clearing conversation, placing a wide range of issues on the agenda, and by default, development of trade would perforce spell an end to the sanctions regime.
Both leaders will drive hard bargains and both are tough negotiators, so what might one expect from such conversations? Of course, I am resorting to my usual high octane speculation here, but I rather suspect both leaders will use the issue of joint international and bi-lateral anti-terrorism efforts to leverage the rest of the conversation, especially regarding sanctions and the restoration of trade relationships. One should not look for an immediate lifting of all sanctions, but rather, a staged process in which the two countries mutually engage on economic issues on a step-by-step basis, including cyber warfare that has been apparently taking place from time to time. This may contain some "surprises," such as eventual Russian participation at some level in Mr. Trump's plans to build out American infrastructure , and a quid pro quo for American participation in some aspects of similar projects underway in Russia. This would be a way for America to get itself back into the game, so to speak, in Central Asia and into a "flanking" maneuver in the Silk Road project. Of course, this is very high octane speculation, but given both men's capacity for sudden moves and out of the box thinking, it shouldn't be set aside simply for its "go for broke" nature. By mentioning this high octane speculation, I'm suggesting that one may expect the unexpected from any prolonged conversation. There will of course be disagreements, and howls of protest from the now completely outflanked globaloneyists in Brussels, Berlin, and Paris (you know who you are! Think of Frau Merkel and her French poodle). Ultimately, Mr. Putin's targets will be the ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the troublesome American missiles in Romania and elsewhere. Here he has dealt himself a bargaining chip with the Russian presence in Syria. So watch for the possibility of joint efforts against ISIS in that country and elsewhere, and for the American side to respond with similar proposals regarding the various Shia-sponsored organizations in the region. If successful, the stage then moves to discussions on removing some of those offending American missiles in Romania, and some of those offending Russian missiles in Syria.
In other words, don't expect immediate breakthroughs. But consider that the two countries are even talking civilly to one another right now is already much farther along than they were just two weeks ago. One thing is clear from the Kremlin statement, which probably itself was a subject of conversation with Mr. Trump, and that is that its statement probably received a "go ahead and publish the summary" permission from Mr. Trump.
Crucial here will be Mr. Trump's selection for US Secretary of State. As of this writing (Nov 19), Mr. Trump has not yet made a selection, though the names Mitt Romney and John Bolton have been bandied about. But I have a better suggestion: try Professor Stephen Cohen, who almost alone in American academia has been voicing protest against the constant demonization of Russia in recent years.
In any case, if the Kremlin statement appears with the tacit approval of Mr. Trump, and I can see no reason why the Kremlin would make such a summary publicly available without it, then the signal it is sending is huge: everything is on the table for discussion. But this is also a case of "you tell me" for we're all reading tea leaves here, and your guess is probably as good as mine.
See you on the flip side...
I completly agree that Professor Stephen Cohen would make a better choice as Sec of State. At the least he needs to be advising Trump on Russian and world affairs on a regular basis with his advice given a status equal to Trump’s daily intelligence briefing.
My comment is finally out of moderation ..
apologies for the difficult to read sequencing and partially awaiting moderation entries. lame attempt at circumventing the bot.
meanwhile, it more and more sounds like insiders are getting done with at least some of the ped scum via leaks amundo. harsh looking advance on subject docs touched on previously. when you’re accurate, it will show. looks like more and more rosetta stones on jimmy saville, franklin scandal, dennis hastert, clinton, bush, david brock, podesta, and on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6ryNOg8z0
more and more confirms tactic that confirms strategy that confirms goals written by adam weishaupt.
maybe it’s just triggered by volume or time spent typing
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
i’m still waiting to see what differentiates rump from killery from obusha from w from slikkedwillie from the wimp from ronnie headrest. sure they contended with each other in a pro wrestling kinda way. it even got the headrest shot shot by a shrub family friend’s mk ultra’d son when headrest was not sufficiently compliant with the wimp’s plans.
or general sneakiness in previous comments
overall though there ain’t much difference between all these genocidal rottenchild wannabe’s from these peanut gallery’s perspective. sure their public relations tactics vary a bit. but they all use the exact same people for their public relations. and their resources all flow from the same rottenchild spigots. at most their pr themes clash but their money never does. slikwilli gets caught on flight logs of aircraft headed to pedophile islands for pizza parties with a convicted pimp (btw, that term is not a compliment contrary to what current pr campaigns have these last 2 generations believing) repeatedly and it turns out that pimp’s phone has 15 of the rumps most personal private phone numbers.
i think rereading some old doonesbury got me working around the mod
geez if only gary trudeau had not gone the yale route. perhaps i just figured vomito’s identity. sorry mr trudeau if i just outted you. if true though, i expect your sense of irony, fairness and appreciation for accuracy to allow for a vomito compilation of comics involving all these figures we now learn about on the new and improved alt-media.
either way doc, i just figured out why i’m intent on reading all you wrote and all y’all write (even you lost) – it’s all those years of prep by gary trudeau. now if only i don’t read his bio and journal ten years hence and find out he was just like steinbeck and a cia asset.
i’m still waiting to see what differentiates rump from killery from obusha from w from slikkedwillie from the wimp from ronnie headrest. sure they contended with each other in a pro wrestling kinda way. it even got the headrest shot shot by a shrub family friend’s mk ultra’d son when headrest was not sufficiently compliant with the wimp’s plans.
overall though there ain’t much difference between all these genocidal rottenchild wannabe’s from these peanut gallery’s perspective. sure their public relations tactics vary a bit. but they all use the exact same people for their public relations. and their resources all flow from the same rottenchild spigots. at most their pr themes clash but their money never does. slikwilli gets caught on flight logs of aircraft headed to pedophile islands for pizza parties with a convicted pimp (btw, that term is not a compliment contrary to what current pr campaigns have these last 2 generations believing) repeatedly and it turns out that pimp’s phone has 15 of the rumps most personal private phone numbers.
geez if only gary trudeau had not gone the yale route. perhaps i just figured vomito’s identity. sorry mr trudeau if i just outted you. if true though, i expect your sense of irony, fairness and appreciation for accuracy to allow for a vomito compilation of comics involving all these figures we now learn about on the new and improved alt-media.
Wow!! .. I feel SPECIAL this morning .. before posting my comment I just felt like me .. old .. jaded and pissed off but now I feel SPECIAL .. I have joined a club (without my approval) .. I don’t even join clubs with my approval .. I am now part of “the moderation club” and I feel SPECIAL .. Whats that saying? .. “You know your over the target when you cop the most flack” (or something along those lines) ..
Freefall
Reminds me of Groucho Marx/
I don’t care to belong to any club
that will have me as a member.
My email use have a red-tagline at the bottom/
Whatever it is, I’m against it. – Grouch Marx
My boss wasn’t happy, and it went poof.
Robert .. I LOVE those quotes buy Groucho Marx .. He echos my sentiments with regards to “clubs” perfectly .. Now!! .. I wonder if this will go to the “Moderation Club” .. I’m not much of a “team player” .. Here goes nothing .. Hit post comment .. fingers crossed ..
Maybe there’s a reason they built those space ports all over the country, now they can motivate others to build the infrastructure to get there.
Wow!! .. I’ve joined the “moderation club” .. (comment awaiting mod)
ahhh freefall, it’s not that impwessive a club. welcome to it though. i picture someone messing with doc more than i do doc combing over our comments before releasing them though. man it’s gotta suck looking over all these. even for an ai. i can’t even keep up with what does get released.
even more ironic is that the comments whining about the mod don’t get modded.
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Ah!! … Yes!! … Hmmm ?? ..
I agree .. the key word here is “IF” this conversation even took place .. I too, am extremely sceptical .. Zero Hedge and it’s ever informed mysterious Tyler Durdin (which is a nom de plume) .. Who knows who this dude REALLY is !! .. A jaded over worked, underpaid part time staffer /cleaner employed at the “Washing House”?.. One of Hillarys ex lovers? .. One of Heinz Kissingers alter egos? .. The skies the limit .. I am at a place now where ALL cards are on the table .. Just when you think things couldn’t get any weirder .. brace yourselves because here comes the next bitch slap .. As for movie fantasies .. I would love to become “The Alien” .. raid the “Washing House” and give that staffer /cleaner something to REALLY write about .. I can just hear the chatter now .. “Man!! .. you should have seen the MESS in the canteen this morning .. it was out of this world” .. In my dreams .. in my dreams .. Cheers folks .. onward and downward ..
if/IF this conversation ever took place to begin with; look, who spoke which language with whom?- Trump obviously doesn’t speak any Russian (as if having a born slavic beauty queen Slovenian wife gives him an automatic understanding of Russian); reportedly Putin (if the real Putin still exists- he reportedly has many doubles- who doesn’t in these positions?- some sources state he’s already been replaced) speaks accent-free German as does Angela Merkel speak fluent, accent-free Russian (she has reportedly recieved many awards in this respect- any wonder? she’s former E. German and former E. Germans were forced to learn Russian as their 1st foreign language)-
Donald Trump has not yet taken his presidential oath; he is not yet potus;
Trump has stepped on many toes (if his rhetoric is believable and sincere) so why would Putin/Russia place a phone call to a completely loose, unexpected canon spewing rhetoric about how he wants to challenge the system that made him a rich person to begin with and who may or may not stay alive to serve his full term let alone take his presidential oath?-
I could spend hrs. writing on this topic but will desist for now to save readers from boredom-
please stay well all-
Larry in Germany
I’m still in The Great Gatsby camp until he walks the talk
as “our” so-called president.
No one said that Donald Trump or the people behind him were good, but they are different, and that’s a major change from previous elections. As you say, we must be skeptical, but open to all possibilities.
I DO want the those behind the power
to be operating off a more human page
than they have been to date
I think they are more human, and believe Trump is sincere and genuine. Even if we get 10 percent of what he’s promised it’s still better than the nuclear winter from Hillary. The bilateral infrastructure investments in both countries would be a genius means to get our country involved in the Silk Road and benefit both parties.
And I hate to say it, I think that’s all we’re going to get, maybe a bit more — maybe a lot more. Who knows. The reality is, I think we averted a war with a Trump victory. That’s huge, so I’m glad I voted for Trump all things considered.
I also think war was averted.
Yesterday I had a discussion with someone about Hillary and he said that she would be taken out Pronto! – if that was the case.
Well, she was taken out…
politically.
I don’t think war has been reverted at all. I suspect the greatest war the world has ever seen is about to kick off. It will be a global war between good and evil foremost but secondarily many nations will attempt to use the chaos to further their own dreams of expanding their global influence and power. Not only will nations be fighting each other but opposing groups within nations will also be fighting each other in civil wars. Trumps win may spell disaster for the desperate global pizza gators so I expect them to do some pretty major moves before Dec, 20th if they can’t steal the electorates from him.
Roger,
In the short run, maybe.
But in the long run, who knows.
Since war is a business and a very profitable one in terms of money/power. In fact, for me that is the sine qua non of war: Profiteering.
…and as the saying goes/It ain’t over till the Fat Lady sings. And the Wicked Witch of the West hasn’t sung…. Even though, throughout late election night, one heard the repeated tune of/Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead.
I hope Trump and Putin can put a stop to the planetary gladiatorial games the puppet masters have been orchestrating for centuries. The idea of mutually aiding in reconstructing each other infrastructure is excellent it sure beat burning down the house which has been the meme for the last thousand years. Fingers cross this will work out to the best.
I am not hopefull. I know only stupido’s that think Russia is on EU borders to destroy them so they want a pre emptive strike with Russia, what Clinton basically promised. They simply don’t see what the implications of war could be!!!!!
So many people seem to want war that I am afraid it is unavoidable. With Trump it maybe be postponed a bit but he is surrounding himself with all the warhawks.
Free thinking in the EU or at least in Belgium is severly impaired and the press here isn’t helping. Maybe the EU needs to find a mirror image of Alex Jones to launch a counter resistence.
Latest EU feat : https://www.rt.com/news/367922-eu-resolution-russian-media/
Trump’s battle will not be with Putin or anyone out there – it will be with “the Nazis in Washington”. How successful will he be there is what counts.
As well as the Nazi-funded jihadists in the ME (ISIS).
Both the above points are
the anvil in the ointment.
Secretary of State? F. William Engdahl!
Dana,
I second that.
Trump’s US infrastructure proposal already looks like the worst of crony capitalism. No great surprise. And the users of new say highways will have to pay to use them, not simply maintain them.
And John Bolton, is a warmonger, who should be nowhere near any administration. But hey, Trump has already made horrid picks for AG and CIA. Trump is bringing is repeating the fails of the GWBush and Reagan administrations, coupled with people like Flynn and Bolton who think you can fight a nuclear war. Sort of like Curtis Lemay. Whose VP choice was he again?
Bolton isn’t in yet. Remember what Dr. Farrell said, we just can’t just assume that because Donald Trump puts in some shady character that it automatically means the game is up. As the saying goes “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”.
It would seem the global parasites have eviscerated their host in the West and are seeking a new host, as indicated by the Putin quote. There is a great evil loose on the earth, ever working from the shadows, and it senses its end game draws near. I can’t help but feel mankind has walked this path before; and the suppression of history has us back on that same path again.
“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari’ya Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.” — Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressing the Duma February 4th, 2013
Trump should keep this in mind as he begins his term.
I remember hearing about Muslim mayors being voted in by the overly politico correcto population in the UK.. Then they gasped in shock and awe as Christmas was cancelled, the Christmas lights were cancelled because Christmas is Racist.
This was back in the early 00’s round about the time I fled .. err left the UK..
That speech is not reported on the Kremlin’s web site:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/messages
“global parasites”?
Lost,
Sensitive? I take it that phrase struck a nerve.
All well and good but unless Trump and Putin agree to destroy the global satanic pedophile cult, the ring will never be destroyed.
“All well and good but unless Trump and Putin agree to destroy the global satanic pedophile cult, the ring will never be destroyed.”
Why would Trump do anything of the sort? Do you not know of the multiple accusations against him in this regard, and these aren’t simply internet rumors–a la the kind Jeff Rense used to like to post about GWBush.
Lost,
Multiple? There was one and it was dropped.
Vomito:
“multiple”
You’re referring to court cases.
Stephen Cohen would be an interesting pick following the tenure of John Kerry as Secretary of State as John Kerry is a Cohen as well, although the family name was altered several generations ago. Perhaps some believe the job of Secretary of State should be a hereditary position or maybe they are just partial to one side in the Cosmic War– the Kohanim side. I was actually hoping that with a Trump presidency, hebrew would be banned in the state department altogether but it doesn’t look like we are going to be so fortunate.
Romney would be an interesting pick because as a Mormon elder he would already have his own private intelligence gathering force on the ground in pretty much every country not to mention his own praetorian guard n the FBI.
Funny, because I always thought the battle was going to come down to these devout genealogy obsessed yahweh sects– the j e w s and the mormons, with advantage going to the mormons who embrace transhumanism.
John Bolton would just make me suspect that the clash of civilizations is being amped up and we can now expect all the ISIS mercenaries that have been airlifted out of the Middle East will now be unleashed on the North Americans and Europeans.
What I really wonder is if Trump and Putin are conspiring to smash the old scarce energy paradigm and replace it with Tesla technology, orchestrated and paid for by the giant infrastructure banks. It would be great if Trump could connive the Wall St megabanks to turn over all that QE money they have been sitting on in order to fund the new energy infrastructure. Maybe he could even dupe the Arab monarchs to chip in as well.
off topic, but does anyone else ever entertain fantasies about dressing up like Clockwork Orange and raiding a university safe place?
Vomito:
“off topic, but does anyone else ever entertain fantasies about dressing up like Clockwork Orange and raiding a university safe place?”
And now, you’ll be a commenter forever associated with advocating violence against those whom you disagree with. Really helps the website /s.
It’s especially ironical that one of the places you clearly don’t feel safe is having your views challenged, and you react by advocating gang violence against the challenger and the system that challenges you.
If you just hadn’t used the word “raiding” and had not made the Clockwork Orange reference, you’d be in a much better place. Will you be forcibly having your way with women who are in that “safe space”? That’s another thing you’ve advocated here.
Lost,
Sorry, I meant to say: dress up like Clockwork Orange and raid a hasbara troll nest. My screw up. What word triggered the alarm bell in your computer? Kohanim? Hebrew?
Also, what makes you think I disagree with college snowflakes? I like coloring books, hot chocolate, and being coddled too. Although, I think the best thing that could happen to them is their safe place colleges receives an artillery bombardment. I don’t wish them harm, but I think this exactly what they need to bust them out of their fearful little cocoon and get a dose of true reality. I imagine a serious shelling would wake them up to the fact that their previous problems were pathetically trivial as they now have to scramble just to live. I think we could all use a dose of this.
Will I be forcibly having my way with women in the safe place? No. I think that is Bernie Sander’s fantasy. Hmm, which makes me wonder– considering how many college snowflakes support Bernie Sanders with his rape fantasies, maybe these same twisted snowflakes might really welcome a raid from Clockwork Orange?
btw, considering you present yourself as an expert in Old English, in the future could you only respond to my comments using Old English? Thank you.
Lost,
My comment went into moderation so I will try to send it in pieces.
Sorry, I meant to say: dress up like Clockwork Orange and raid a hasbara troll nest. My screw up. What word triggered the alarm bell in your computer? Kohanim? Hebrew?
Lost,
Also, what makes you think I disagree with college snowflakes? I like coloring books, hot chocolate, and being coddled too. Although, I think the best thing that could happen to them is their safe place colleges receives an artillery bombardment. I don’t wish them harm, but I think this exactly what they need to bust them out of their fearful little cocoon and get a dose of true reality. I imagine a serious shelling would wake them up to the fact that their previous problems were pathetically trivial as they now have to scramble just to live. I think we could all use a dose of this.
Lost,
Will I be forcibly having my way with women in the safe place? No. I think that is Bernie Sander’s fantasy. Hmm, which makes me wonder– considering how many college snowflakes support Bernie Sanders with his rape fantasies, maybe these same twisted snowflakes might really welcome a raid from Clockwork Orange?
Vomito:
So big delusions about Sanders too–Reich too.
Yes, you got caught advocating forcing yourself women sexually.
Oh, cool, sarcasm, I’m missed your anti-Semitism.
That really helps. Sarc.
Lost
It’s a compliment to those whom you read with a Snidley Whiplash fine tune comb; where even humor is subject to microscopic musings?
I sometimes wonder if your being humorous, or deadly serious; so whom I’m I to judge. I’m certainly not even close to being a qualified TPP/TTIP tribunal judge, that represents the trifecta of the judicial balance: Judge, jury, and executioner.
Lost,
There is something wrong with your Hebrew to English translation software because I can’t make hide nor hair of anything you are saying now. It’s coming out as just gibberish. I preferred it when you tried to use Old English, at least it was amusing. Do you use Old English in the home as well when you are ordering your mother to bring down your lunch and dinner to your basement laboratory? Comical! I suppose you probably wear a codpiece also. Has that helped your chances in the singles bars?
Vomito:
“There is something wrong with your Hebrew to English translation software because I can’t make hide nor hair of anything you are saying now. It’s coming out as just gibberish. I preferred it when you tried to use Old English, at least it was amusing. Do you use Old English in the home as well when you are ordering your mother to bring down your lunch and dinner”
Digging yourself in deeper. Though avoiding for now further advocacy of violence, that’s good.
“Comical! I suppose you probably wear a codpiece also. Has that helped your chances in the singles bars?”
Saying much more about you, singles bars, and your “luck” than anything about me.
The fact remains you advocated violence+r$ape and slipped into anti-Semitism at the first chance.
And you didn’t know about accusations of Trump and sex parties with under age “models” and men of wealth+power and age.
Please source the Putin quote.
Yes, I too suspect the quotation is fake, but either way, Putin’s actions support those claims.
Good instincts SGFLUX888. I recognize the ‘quote’ as coming from an article posted on a website considered to be unreliable, yournewswire dot com. It’s from Jan. 9, 2016. The article author did not give a link to the quoted ‘source’, even after many requests from commenters. I think Dr Farrell referenced it in a previous blog, but I don’t remember when. It might be in the GMO Scrapbook section.
Oh yes, agreed … Putin’s actions do support the claims …
Anybody else guessed what the words, “Bear with me – no blog today,” really mean?