Remember Great Britain's Beagle Mars lander that supposedly crashed on Mars, ending that country's one and only interplanetary surface space probe to another solar system planet? The story at the time was that the lander lost contact with the orbiting European Space Agency satellite, crashed into the planet, and that was that. At the time of course there were all sorts of "conspiracy theories," or rather to be more accurate, speculations that the lander may actually have successfully landed, and the good folks in Dusseldorff were simply keeping a tight lid on whatever the Beagle was sniffing out on the surface of Mars.

Well, guess what, the scientist in charge of Britain's Mars lander, Professor of Astrobiology and Space Instrumentation at the University of Leicester, has led a team analyzing the crash site, according to this article shared by Mr. T.M. and authored by Mr. David Szondy, and they've come to a rather astonishing conclusion:

Did Beagle 2 land successfully on Mars?

According to British studies of the crash site, it now appears that the lander successfully landed and deployed, and began its programmed task of sniffing out the surface of Mars:

One of the mysteries of Mars exploration may have been solved. Scientists at the University of Leicester and De Montfort University have used a new imaging technique based on 3D modeling technology to uncover the fate of Britain's Beagle 2 lander. According to the team, the unmanned probe didn't crash, but landed successfully and became operational, though its radio antenna failed to deploy correctly.

As the article notes, NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) photographed the crash site, and initial analysis suggested that only two of the lander's solar power panels deployed correctly, meaning that the lander was in effect non-operational.

However, the British team analyzing the images has come to a very different conclusion, one that - as you might expect - leads me to indulge in all sorts of interplanetary high octane speculation:

According to Professor Mark Sims, former Beagle 2 Mission Manager and Professor of Astrobiology and Space Instrumentation at the University of Leicester, that explanation needs some major revision. Using a new imaging technique called "reflection analysis," his team took a fresh look at Beagle 2 and concluded that it did, in fact, land safely, that it deployed three or even all four of its solar panels, and very likely started to explore the planet.
(Emphasis added)

This has led the team analyzing the images to advance the following speculations:

According to Sims, exactly what happened to Beagle 2 may never be known, but the likely explanation is something went wrong with the radio antenna used to connect the lander with Mars Express. Either one of the solar panels didn't deploy and the antenna was trapped, or the panel didn't deploy properly and interfered with the antenna – a bit like those cabinets where you have to close the doors in a particular sequence or they won't fit properly.

One intriguing point is that if three or all of the solar panels deployed, Beagle 2 would have had enough power to activate and carry out its task of seeking life on the Red Planet, and may even be operating today.
(Emphasis added)

But in a situation where the lander "may even be operating today" one speculation is as good as another, which brings me to my high octane speculation of the day: what if the entire story of a crash and the lander's inoperability is just that, a story, and the little Beagle has been dutifully sending back its data ever since, only that that data has been deliberately embargoed from public release, and kept secret? Of course, Professor Sims doubts that it is still operating, but Mars, as Carl Sagan used to say, is "full of surprises." Such a scenario wouldn't be the first time various space agencies have embargoed certain information from Mars, or obfuscated its data (it isn't a Face, don't you know, it's just a trick of light and shadow. After all, more recent imaging simply shows a highly degraded mesa. But of course, lower resolution actually reveals the shape it degraded from. ) After all, even those old NASA Viking probes uncovered data suggestive of simple life, data that is still being debated (and in some cases, hotly debated). If this highly speculative scenario is actually the case, then it would seem at least to fit into a wider pattern, a pattern which admittedly also includes a high number of mission failures to the mysterious planet(Phobos II and Phobos Grunt, anyone?).

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Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Phil the Thrill on November 26, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    A gentleman by the name of Joseph Cater wrote an interesting little treatise called “The Ultimate Reality” (Volumes I and II). It is out of print and online copies are exorbitantly priced. Mr. Cater held the notion that the planets are hollow, and made an intelligent argument for that being the case. He mentions the 1890 novel “Etidhorpa”, which is actually an interesting read, about a fellow who is taken into the bowels of the hollow Earth and given magic mushrooms; Mr. Cater is of the opinion that the book is truth and was “dressed” as a novel in order to be released to the public. Mr. Cater’s work was published before the release of Michael Talbot’s “The Holographic Universe”, and provides a sort of pre-confirmation of Mr. Talbot’s research.

    • zendogbreath on November 27, 2016 at 12:24 am

      thank you. looks interesting.

    • Kahlypso on November 30, 2016 at 4:08 am

      Because I like free information and I dont like hearing that books cant be found.. https ://
      Ive broken the link because .. well I dont know why but just copy it into your web browser and take away the space i added between https and ://……

      There are other books by the same author if anyone is interested.
      I have no opinion about the book myself, I havent read it yet.


  2. zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 1:06 am

    rb and db,
    we have no idea. what’s curiouser and curiouser is how the leakers from inside the intel industrial complex keep coming faster and furiouser inspite of the increased difficulties and costs for leaking. as well as how faster the nastiness is increasing. it’s like a combination of childhood’s end disclosure type of thang along with eyes wide shut.

    what’s worth doing on such grotesque stuff is scanning through in fast forward. a number of channel’s putting up enough of the leaked emails and related folk is not touching this one yet. but when the nyt declares something a lie and fake news, we all know it’s as much confirmation as anyone can ask for.

    for now the insiders are leaking so fast that we even get enough glimpses that soon enough the mainstream will have to start denying the details in details enough that even the most willfully blind will have to recognize what doc noticed weeks ago. franklin scandal, epstein with friends like slickwillie and the rump, the recently arrested sex trafficking ring, jimmy saville, andrew,….. all them all are all more than a little connected. and they aren’t just all a but of disordered lads as the times implies.

    them are some long scheming premeditated and guided by some sick spirits cannibal lads and lasses who are quickly learning what kuru means.

    • zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 1:13 am

      ah. modded again. given the links and the nastiness of the subject, i’m not surprised. at least it wasn’t nastily written. hope it comes through soon. and your heat comes on and stays on doc. and your water stays protected from that pipeline.

      it was about how doc was righter than we all want him to be about killery’s and darth soros’ connections with the octupus of a crime and child / sex / cannibalism of franklin scandal,….

      who said that living in interesting times had to have something to do with living in truly nasty times. personally i don’t see a whole lotta reason for letting the karma managers mess so much that we let such of our imaginations bring on realities this nasty.

      • zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 1:14 am

        that is so ironic that our rants and recaps about being modded don’t get modded. i really do have my doubts about this mod bot. but not the kinda doubts one might expect from a moderated commenter.

  3. Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 11:47 am

    • zendogbreath on November 27, 2016 at 12:19 am

      rb. what is that picture michael hudson used?

  4. Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 11:30 am

    Jill Stein demanding recount[for Hillary?]

    • Don B on November 25, 2016 at 11:55 am

      Another chicago marxist and a rich one. Of course all these chicago bolsheviks are very rich. db

      • Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 12:14 pm

        The Chicago school of economics is neoliberal.
        Chicago itself is being privatized; from the parking meters on up.
        Is Jill Stein the Marxist your referring to?
        Check the vide Trump the 1% above
        and find your Marxist for the rich therein.

        • Don B on November 25, 2016 at 5:56 pm

          Yes, that creep. soros said hillary would win the electoral vote and by god he won’t stop until that hag is put into office. I’ve never seen such evil, satanic people in all my life as the ones that people the demoRAT party. Nothing but a banana republic and the country will get exactly what it deserves. db

          • Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 7:10 pm

            They’re beyond hope; shameless.

  5. goshawks on November 24, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    The ‘denial of life’ scam has to be coming from some higher area than the ‘scientists’ doing the nay-saying. Think of it: If you wanted funding for a further mission, you would play-up any possibility of life being found; not categorically poo-poo away possible positive results. A simple career move. Plus, push the excitement of getting another probe on Mars; who knows what you might find? Nope…

    The other anomaly is that the probes since Viking have backed-away from any life-discerning instrumentation. One would think that the next probes after Viking would be loaded-up with further life-sniffing instruments to tease-out any ambiguities from the conflicting findings of the Vikings. Not so. Quite the opposite…

    On a related subject, I always felt uneasy about the Mars orbital photography losses. After a 17 year hiatus in Mars exploration, in 1992 a new probe was launched. The Mars Observer, also known as the Mars Geoscience/Climatology Orbiter, would map the surface at 1 meter resolution. Mars Observer fell silent only days before its scheduled arrival. At the time, I felt that there was a strong probability that it was doing fine; just on a ‘private’ channel.

    (If you were a conspiracy nut, a ‘private’ Mars Observer would provide over a decade of photo-snapping to peruse – and ‘doctor’ if needed – before Mars Reconnaissance Observer showed-up. Mars ‘face’, anyone?)

    • Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 10:55 am

      Not only Mars; but every planet, moon, asteroid, of space derbis in “our” solar system{including “our” living Earth. It would seem the public were the aliens they are so worried about; as the aliens are the threat to their power.

      • Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 10:57 am

        Or Space debris

    • ozerulz on November 26, 2016 at 1:17 am

      To me it makes no sense to go to Mars. There’s not enough raw materials for large scale colonization. There’s not enough gravity to stay there indefinitely. Venus is a much better choice. There’s plenty of resources and more importantly there’s enough gravity to stay there as long as you want. Only drawback is the acid but it also provides resources. Mars is a waste of time.

      • Kahlypso on November 30, 2016 at 4:19 am

        Atmospheric pressure on Mars is only a fraction of what it is here on Earth – averaging 7.5 millibars on Mars to just over 1000 here on Earth. The average surface temperature is also lower on Mars, ranking in at a frigid -63 °C compared to Earth’s balmy 14 °C. And while the length of a Martian day is roughly the same as it is here on Earth (24 hours 37 minutes), the length of a Martian year is significantly longer (687 days).

        But one big difference is that the gravity on Mars’ surface is much lower than it is here on Earth – 62% lower to be precise. At just 0.38 of the Earth standard, a person who weighs 100 kg on Earth would weigh only 38 kg on Mars.

        This difference in surface gravity is due to a number of factors – mass, density, and radius being the foremost. Even though Mars has almost the same land surface area as Earth, it has only half the diameter and less density than Earth – possessing roughly 15% of Earth’s volume and 11% of its mass.

  6. Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Dear all .. QUESTION .. with regards to the moderation bot .. does it use a type of word sweep similar to the “Echelon” system ? And why does it take 18 hours to filter and release ? .. To think AI is ruining my mornings is almost too much .. all and any info .. much appreciated .. thanks folks

    • goshawks on November 24, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      Freefall, I have had moderation’s with no discernible ‘key words’. I believe I once had a post moderated with only five words in it – none ‘risky’. Being a conspiracy nut, I tend toward that it is not a bot at all; or a bot-alerter with a human cued-in. Just me…

      Dr. Farrell says that he personally has to de-moderate each moderated posting. 18 hours is nothing; I have had several go 3-4 DAYS before showing-up (as have others). This really sucks, as it takes any interactivity out of the postings. Safe, though…

      • Kahlypso on November 25, 2016 at 5:32 am

        Ha ha. Not a day goes by without Goshawks being shot out of the air whilst raging and ranting about the injustice of the world, by a computer algorithm designed by a 3rd year IT student in India.
        PAMM PAMM …. Darn you BOT.. You will not take my FREEEDO… “Your comment is waiting for Moderation” …… (I have another comment about the Moon in this thread waiting for Dr F to wake up. (how dare he sleep..) (end of Irony and Rant)

        There is no human element behind it, (though with the stuff we see happening and being blogged about here, its easy to think that there is, and that he/she is Evil.. Whatta world.. whatta world…) there may be big data mining going on behind the scenes, but that will only be another BOT searching for keywords and trending topics.. so we can receive better adverts in those pop up windows that empest you..

        • Kahlypso on November 25, 2016 at 6:17 am

          Actually, no, there are no adverts on this website, so clicking on links isnt being counted so therefore no profit to be made. Nope, nothing to see here, its just common Internet protocol to avoid the swearwords and there’s probably a chance generator in there somewhere, sometimes it passes, sometimes you get caught.. I suppose that the people who post the most, will be targeted the most.. Law of Averages.

          • zendogbreath on November 25, 2016 at 6:56 am

            the system is less consistent than one might guess.

            i have posted to await mod…. on one comment out of 10 in a 15 min timeframe. after that one comment, most all others get awaited. on such occasion, i have cut and pasted the modded comment and reposted it in smaller increments. the repostings have almost all posted without mod.

            that’s one way to re-engineer a system. it also makes for some chopped up and difficult to read sequencing. it’s also probably annoying as all get out to doc and daniel. always fun to feel around a system to find what’s behind the facade. kinda like trying to feel around and find the intent behind a monolithic entity running our govt’s and research as opaquely as all this.

          • zendogbreath on November 25, 2016 at 6:57 am

            ooppp. awaiting mod.

            must be from my bad rep from last time.

          • zendogbreath on November 25, 2016 at 6:58 am

            funny that this comment didn’t get modded.

        • goshawks on November 25, 2016 at 9:09 pm

          Kahlypso: “Ha ha. Not a day goes by without Goshawks being shot out of the air whilst raging and ranting about the injustice of the world, by a computer algorithm designed by a 3rd year IT student in India.
          PAMM PAMM …. Darn you BOT.. You will not take my FREEEDO… “Your comment is waiting for Moderation” …… (I have another comment about the Moon in this thread waiting for Dr F to wake up. (how dare he sleep..) (end of Irony and Rant)”

          Kahlypso, I seemed to have somehow p1ssed you off. Care to share what it really is?

          (I actually make a concerted effort to post about the modding in order to a) dramatize that it exists and b) possibly get the modder to “lighten up, jerk”. It is a calculated move, rather than raging and ranting…)

          • zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 12:46 am

            it’s all good g. looking forward to vomito reaching your level of mod experience. expecting some similarities to your reactions and some differences. and some hilarities.

          • goshawks on November 26, 2016 at 5:43 am

            ZDB, now THAT will be interesting! (And maybe hilarious…)

          • Kahlypso on November 27, 2016 at 3:43 pm

            HI Goshwks, woops. Absolutely not, I was refering to the amount of modding u get (as do I) i meant ‘raging and ranting’ to be funny. Sorry if twas taken the wrong way.

    • Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      Thanks goshawks for the info .. 🙂

    • Robert Barricklow on November 25, 2016 at 11:15 am

      For me the bot represents censor’s nose in the camel’s tent.

      • zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 12:44 am

        rb, i’m no camel anatomist but are you sure that’s a nose?

        • Robert Barricklow on November 26, 2016 at 11:55 am

          I’m specifically addressing self-censorship ZDB. Francis Bacon described it best/
          Beware the deadly arrow that flies in the night, because no one sees it – yet it achieves its deadly effect.

          • zendogbreath on November 27, 2016 at 12:21 am

            yep. ironic too that i still have a couple on this page waiting mod. i wonder if i’d ever notice if they just dissappeared.

    • Sandygirl on November 26, 2016 at 6:57 am

      Rage against the machine, it’s about control over you, your thoughts, your freedom. To be censored here at Dr. Farrell site is even more maddening as most of us here are for the common good and fighting against the control system. A little bit at a time over time and we learn to accept it? Danger danger Will Robinson.

      • Robert Barricklow on November 26, 2016 at 11:56 am

        So true Sandygirl.

  7. Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    Ok.. talking about LIES IN SPACE… I dont get why we stopped going to the Moon..

    Check this out.. Apollo 17..

    First joint Russian-American Space Venture… (not enough funds to continue going to the moon?? my-incredibly-muscular-and-often-commented-upon bum!)

    Check out 18:02 when they’re showing the NEXT space shuttle that will go up, they even figured out a way to recycle the ‘expensive parts’..

    What was that Orange Soil in Crater Shorty??
    Rust.. From iron and Water.. Water on the Moon.. So, we’ve discovered proof of traces of water on the Moon. Next stop.. Lunar base…? No?? No.. it wasnt Rust.. it was titanium-rich pyroclastic glass… So the Moon had Volcanoes.. Huge Volcanoes that spat out a lot of stuff at high speeds.. (source :

    Hmm.. nice quote at 19:48 as well..

    So how come the moon is 1/4 the size and mass of Earth, but only has 1/6 of our gravity?? Because it doesn’t rotate fast enough.. ah yeh I forgot… Ok, forget it I answered my own question…

    So I’ve heard about Aliens popping up and threatening mankind to get the hell of their moon.. so the Apollo and Skylab programs .. got replaced by the space Shuttle.. (going back to recycling the ‘expensive parts’ ended up with the destruction of the Shuttle Challenger whilst taking off… and Columbia when it was landing.. (after 22 years of service.. I’m thinking of private corporations in space not maintaining their gear well enough.. If NASA can get sloppy about Maintenance.. It will not end well. (!!! – yes multiple exclamation points.. I’m looking at that capslock key right now…)
    Space X I’m looking at you and your CIA mole Elon Musk.
    And just as a sidenote.. Seen any HUGE BALLS around Saturn lately?

    • Kahlypso on November 25, 2016 at 6:13 am

      What grabs my attention about the Apollo 17 mission that CANNOT be denied..
      The Astro-naughts used Dynamite and RADAR resonance to check out what was under the surface and the Astronots were as giddy as children when they found that Orange soil.. which they ended up calling Volcanic Glass.. Is anyone else thinking Stratified glass… Nuclear Explosions?? Big huge Craters on OUR side of the moon… How did they get there if it wasnt from something fired from Earth towards the Moon… Perhaps that is what stopped the moon from rotating..Big huge DC voltage directed energy beams thatcaused nuclear explosions? Wasnt Nannar or Sin supposed to be up on the Moon and wasnt Marduk supposed to have a big bone to chew with him.. If I had a Pyramid Maser and I wanted to blast Nannar into pieces, I think that it would leave a few craters lying around the place..
      food for thought..
      Just keep coming up with more questions than answers…
      Why doesnt the moon rotate like the other moons… Why is our Moon so large in comparison to the other ‘moons.’ (TIAMAT koff koff..)

      • Westcoaster on November 25, 2016 at 7:45 pm

        Some VERY good questions you raise….

      • zendogbreath on November 26, 2016 at 12:42 am

        nice work k. folk covered alot of the same. i think billy yelverton did way more than what’s shown here repeatedly testing and replicated these ideas.

  8. sagat1 on November 24, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    My first thought when the usual MSM flooded their outlets with news of its crash was that it was probably functioning just fine. There is no way on earth they’d allow their rivals or the population at large to be privy to its martian investigations and what better way than to say that it’s failed to deploy properly. The MSM were keen to give all involved a pat on the back, particularly the landing gear engineers, but ho hum it’s the nature of the game when landing robots on other planets – nevermind, good effort chaps.

    It would be quite simple to overide the transmitter by a secondary team unknown to the public project team who then go on to assume control of the equipment and data collected.

    • Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 1:00 pm

      Hmm. Its MORE than interesting that all of the probes that were sent to investigate SIGNS OF LIFE all got destroyed.. or didnt get destroyed, landed safely and went off and did their job, but we got told that they crashed and burned.. (even tho the last ESA module seems really to have exploded.. They can calculate the distance from the Earth to Mars, but trhe Module itself doesnt know whether its at ground zero or underground… Got a clue for you ESA. ULTRASONIC. Bats use it all the time and they dont think that they are underground..

  9. marcos toledo on November 24, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Thanks Kahlypso for mentioning the Schiaparelli probe lost and there was the billion dollar NASA orbiter that was twilight zoned. Just wondering how the Indian Mars probe wasn’t accidented as well and was allowed to succeed. And Roger I agree what is Venus really like has anybody did a study to see if a planet in that orbit could be habitable just thinking.

  10. Robert Barricklow on November 24, 2016 at 11:34 am

    My frame of references when reading a official story are:
    Public, Enemy #1
    Private Profit: the be-all and end-all.
    This above is encompassed in the meme:
    The Public/Private Partnership.
    So would you give your enemy proprietary knowledge?
    Space is a two sided coin.
    One is the TV side: the fake news that google would allow through its filters.
    The other, is the real side that google and others of their ilk will coin fake and remove from our innocent eyes.

    The Beagle is operating as designed. All they’ve done is blown the dust off the script and read it almost verbatim.

    Now how bout you be faithful to your partner?

  11. Vomito Blanco on November 24, 2016 at 11:13 am

    My heart aches for this lonely little rover up there on the red planet with no one to communicate with, enduring the cold nights, the hostile terrain. Who knows what he has had to experience all by himself. Keep a stiff upper lip brave explorer robot. You are not forgotten. I just wish David Bowie was still alive to write a song about you. I think I can speak for all the smart appliances in my house– our prayers go out to you. Come home safe.

    • Robert Barricklow on November 24, 2016 at 11:35 am

      Loved It!

    • Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      LOL Vomito .. “The World According to Barf” …….. 🙂

  12. Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 10:12 am

    Oh God .. my comment has gone to moderation AGAIN .. I give up .. 🙁

    • Robert Barricklow on November 24, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      We’ve all had our affairs with the fickled bot.
      She’s quite a pickle, our fickled bot.
      So far I/ve avoided her for two days.
      Is that a streak of luck?
      And luck is fickled as well.
      All that to say…
      that with bots abounding, we’re all in a fickled pickle.

      • Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 3:19 pm

        Thanks Robert .. it’s kind of comforting to know that others have had their share of AI’s bs … 🙁

    • TRM on November 24, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      Vomito Blanco wins the laugh of the day.
      That and I’m on good terms with the AI bot. Its artificial intelligence seems to like my natural stupidity because I’ve never had a problem.

  13. Roger on November 24, 2016 at 9:10 am

    I suspect the upper atmosphere of Venus is very hot like our outer atmosphere. Venus’s upper atmosphere is much denser therefore much harder to penetrate with space probes and landers. Like our atmosphere I suspect Venus’s surface is much cooler than advertised. Venus may have had a resurfacing event do to all the weather modification technologies, fracking, and wars ancient Venusians over did. But I suspect things are slowly changing on Venus’s surface and as the planet begins to change its rotation back in the right direction, same as the other planets, it’s magnetic fields will likely come back to life. Potential Venusians hiding underground amongst us may already be beginning to re-habitate the underground of their home world and bio-seeding the surface with bio-engineered microbes to begin the process of re-terra forming their homeland to where it will one day be livable again.

    • SGFLUX888 on November 24, 2016 at 9:22 am

      That’s some mighty high octane speculation, but I too wonder about the possibility that some of these planets we thought impossible to house life — actually do.

  14. SGFLUX888 on November 24, 2016 at 8:58 am

    They operate under the assumption that we’re stupid and that we’ll just go a long with anything they say. Sorry, not happening. NASA is fake, as well as every other alphabet soup space agency. Perhaps their intentions are honest and well intended keeping the true space program secret, but for the love of god, at least try and make your stories sound more believable.

    • Freefall on November 24, 2016 at 10:10 am

      SGF .. Just a couple of minor corrections ..
      1 .. “They operate under the assumption that we’re stupid” .. Correction = MOST of humanity IS stupid .. Unfortunately I HAD (passed tense noted) family members that even disputed that what I was seeing all over the skies was condensation trails and that’s just the beginning .. I live in a small town akin to “Pleasantville” and surrounded by “The Stepford Housewives” .. where “Dumb and Dumber” is everywhere .. John Carpenters two movies come to mind .. the “Village of the Damned” and “They Live” .. It’s a lonely journey here .. But I would rather fly solo than be surrounded by gallahs .. (an Australia bird renowned for it’s stupidity when in actual fact the IQ of ONE of these birds would supersede the amalgamated intelligence of 50 locals) ..
      2 .. with regards to alphabet soup space agency and their intentions being perhaps honest … Correction = that’s impossible .. UNICEF = organ harvesting .. World Vision = intel gathering .. the “Clinton Foundation” and their new pizza hut franchises .. the mighty UN (United Nothing) = abandoned for slaughter ..
      It reminds me of the Vaticans Advanced Technical Telescope at Mt. Graham called LUCIFER .. (Large Binocular Telescope with bla bla bla that accidentally makes up the word) .. It doesn’t stand for our earthly nemesis of the same name .. Hell no !! .. How could we possibly be so paranoid and superstitious to make such a connection .. In fact, I can’t think of one lettered agency with any form of good intention .. For me .. NASA = “Nothing but Absolute Shite Always” ..

    • Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      Intentions.. Honest?? From a bunch of Nazi Thulist Paperclippers trying to get back up into the Vril? What isnt there to kept secret..
      Dr Farrel : Vril = The Force? Check out Vril: The Power of the Coming Race. Ok, forgot about all the death and horror that it became as a secret Society.. Going to the Film being used as disclosure… Pyramid and Scalar Waves = Death Star… Vril = The Force… In the book its used as a destructive force. (Force Lightening..) or a way to heal and cure..(Plenty of Star Wars Lore.. dont care with Disnii says.. (yep mispelt for a reason..) shows Jedi’s using the Force to heal..)

      • SGFLUX888 on November 24, 2016 at 3:12 pm

        We don’t know what’s going on in space, Kahlypso. Depending on the circumstances, I can formulate reasons why it may need to be kept secret. Where I draw the line is NASA stealing our tax dollars to fund fake projects.

  15. DanaThomas on November 24, 2016 at 8:05 am

    Your HOSP (High Octane Specuation) seems feasible, especially if we consider the strangely “unexpected discovery” in 2014, 11 years on, that the lander had actually “deployed its panels” and not crashed. Now some may object that it would be hard to maintain the secrecy, but even a cursory consideration shows that this is not true, partly due to the compartmentalisation and partly to the ability of the oligarchs to exploit human psychology to the hilt. By choosing scientific and technical personnel with a penchant for obeying orders and for secrecy, also guaranteed by a heavy dose of pride at being chosen by the upper echelons to carry out such an important task. If the obedience wears thin, well, “accidents” HAVE been known to happen, especially in the case of government scientists in the UK.

  16. Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 5:57 am

    But DID it crash?? Cant trust anyone or anything anymore with the Space Stuff..

    • Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 8:01 am

      It does need to be said, the Cigar Ufo sightings certainly picked up again once It destroyed Phobos 2..
      If it were Aliens, they may have taken Ph2 as an act of War..
      Who knows what they think of us using dangerous chemicals in the rocket fuel… Probably, something along the lines of, “what a bunch of primitive workers, get the EM drive working you stoopid polluters and stop sending your crap into Space because we keep having to blow it up so it doesnt pollute the next planet.”

      Phobos 2 did manage to send back pictures of gridlines in Infra Rouge before the Iggigi woke up and rammed Phobos2 into dust.. So that means that there are lines of something that is hotter than the ground next to it.. Then Something … with a big long shadow on the Martian ground that moved appeared..*

      • Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 8:46 am

        So that you may peruse at your own pleasure

        • Westcoaster on November 25, 2016 at 7:51 pm


  17. Kahlypso on November 24, 2016 at 5:22 am

    What?? Stuff going on in outer space and us not being told about it and the people who sent the hunk of metal up there lying to us?? No.. Its not possible.. I cant believe it.

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