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December 8, 2016 / /
Hi everyone. Just a quick note that Catherine Fitts asked me to do a review with her of President-elect Trump's cabinet picks so far, and what they might indicate. This was kind of a last-minute impromptu thing as she was getting many requests from her subscribers to do this, so it has just been posted in the members' area.
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A great conversation, and contrary to the comments by some members I don’t think that either Catherine or Joseph attribute any soteric valence to the various figures on the political stage. If we want to get anywhere in refining our understanding of what is going on, it is not only useful but essential to range over different levels of analysis. The political class in most parts of the world is in a pretty sorry state, but this does not justify falling into a black-and-white dualism or into an even more simplistic approach that “they are all the same”. Individuals and their history and connections do count, and should therefore be discussed. On the other hand my view is that all top leaders are representatives of power-holding groups, i.e. oligarchies, and hold office thanks to such groups, at least in the present phase of history.
I am not familiar enough with the intricacies of current US politics to comment on the various executive appointments, but I think Catherine’s “systems-oriented” approach is a useful way of framing events to at least try to speculate on scenarios for the near future.
There are theories out there saying that the global “elite”/”elites” have centuries-old plans that are simply implemented and cannot be stopped. There may well be centuries-old plans, but to say that they cannot be stopped means falling into determinism… with the consequent disempowerment favouring those same “elites”! It would mean ignoring the spiritual/physics aspect, and the role of consciousness in shaping reality. As has been discussed time and again on this website.
I didn’t mean you personally being a stooge. I know that you will keep a wary eye on developments and I always look forward to your commentaries because you have such an independent thought process. There’s a tendency in the independent media who were, correctly in my view, very enthusiastic about a Trump presidency. I’m still 50-50 that Trump means what he says and has the intention of doing what he says. I’m still not sure about him and his intentions yet. I don’t yet share Catherine’s enthusiasm about the man. In the anti-Hillary camp there’s not too much critical appraisal of Trump and I’m afraid that if he turns out badly the pro-Trump crowd will follow in the foot steps of the pro-Obama crowd and follow him blindly and making excuses for his behavior. After all Obama got into office with a lot of enthusiasm with hope and change and all that. Just exchange “hope and change” with “Make America Great Again” and you could have a mirror situation.
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A very stimulating conversation which is par for the course between you two. I would like to make some contrarian comments. I was an enthusiastic supporter of Trump during the election season mostly because of my repulsion of Hillary Clinton. Since the election however a sense of reality has overtaken me and has caused me to take a look at Trump from a distance and how he fits in historically. It’s like being in the midst of a group of trees thinking you’re in a large forest but as you travel in the sky away from the trees you now realize that it’s only a small patch in a desert or urban city, take your pick.
1. I detect in especially Catherine a sense of wishful thinking and sort of playing mental gymnastics regarding Trump’s appointments, especially one Mnuchin. To think you can drain the swamp with one of the premier swamp dwellers is beyond me. I think Catherine is somewhat grabbing at straws here. Without getting into the specifics of who Mnuchin is I direct you to Michael Krieger of Libertyblitzkrieg ‘s interview at https://youtu.be/gxc5FpmBAzQ. To be fair, as Michael points out, if Clinton was the president-elect and picked Mnuchin the alternative media like Infowars and Breibart would be all over the internet on how horrible Hillary is in appointing a Goldman Sachs and George Soros veteran! But somehow Trump gets the pass from you guys.
2. Trump’s plans for huge infrastructure spending also doesn’t pass the smell test. Believe me if any recent presidents would have done this it would have been a Democratic one who historically love make work projects. The fact that they haven’t done it speaks volumes. First of all it’s not completely certain that the infrastructure in the nation in general is in desperate need of this. Secondly make work jobs of this type are only a temporary shot of adrenaline, if at all. What do you do for an encore after the temporary projects are completed. Thirdly massive infrastructure projects have a mixed history, especially done by the federal government. There is so much corruption and favoritism in bidding that by the time the congressmen, state and local government bureaucrats get their hands in the cookie jar, very little is left for the ones that really need it, the workers. And most likely Trump will line his business cronies pockets with the pick of the crop. Fourthly the national debt will skyrocket as much and maybe even more so than under Obama. However my understanding pales in comparison with David Stockman. Here is his latest piece on the subject of infrastructure spending, https://dailyreckoning.com/trumponomics-will-collapse-mountain-debt/
3. Regarding foreign policy we should see some improvement in relations with Russia but this may be offset with increasing tensions with China and Iran, two allies, may I add, of Russia. This shows that there’s an inherent built-in contradiction right off the bat in Michael Flynn’s principles. You can’t have better relations with Russia while you’re promoting regime change with both China and Iran. Here’s an illuminating piece by the great William Engdahl regarding this, http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO25Nov2016.php
However I had an epiphany as I listened to you and Catherine. I automatically said to myself that from now on I actually don’t really give a damn about any of this appointment stuff. It’s all really just noise. I am now fully convinced that what will become of the United States and western Europe is already baked in the cake. I think it was Mark Twain who said that history doesn’t repeat but it sure rhymes. What we are seeing is the fall of the US and western Europe with the rise of Russia, China and the East. I believe that Trump is our Gorbachev in that like Gorbachev 30 years ago Trump will preside over the downfall and possible collapse of the United States and its empire. It was bound to happen and if it wasn’t Trump it would have been someone else. Just like in 1989 when the Warsaw Bloc was cracking up you now are seeing the rupture and crackup of both the EU and NATO. Are we that indispensable and arrogant that we can defy the laws of history. Our system of crony capitalism is so entrenched as is the fact that everything in this country is a racket, including medicine, banks, education, etc. that the system is un-reformable and Trump in trying to reform it may inadvertently cause the collapse that has to happen anyways. This is why I compare Trump to Gorbachev. Joseph we will have a lot more than a bump in the road and will make what happened in the Soviet Union seem like childs’ play. A great thinker on the topic of the system as un-reformable is Charles Hugh Smith of oftwominds.com. Also Dmitri Orlov of cluborlov.com who has written extensively on comparing the inevitable collapse of the US with the collapse that happened in the Soviet Union is worth reading.
So in conclusion I sincerely hope that you and Catherine don’t become blind Trump cheerleaders after it becomes apparent that he is not the white knight coming to save us. Let us not make the same mistake that the Obama zobmies did in supporting him after it was obvious that he was just an imperial and Wall St. stooge.
Well, I have no intention of becoming a Trump stooge. I still have profound misgivings, and as I think I made clear in that interview, I maintained that these appointments can be taken in two almost diametrically opposite ways, and that time alone will tell. Personally, I don’t believe in “white political knights”.
Trump like Gorbachev… you might have something there.