IN THE HOT SEAT: NORTH KOREA
Readers of this website will have noticed that during the past week I've been blogging about Mr. Trump's infrastructure development plans, the Chinese silk road project, and the rumblings of sweeping geopolitical and economic changes that appear to be on the horizon. This has been, admittedly, our usual exercise in high octane speculation and attempting to read all sorts of tea leaves. Much of this speculation has a sub-text, and that is, stabilizing the Pacific rim, for if China's gigantic economic project is to have any chance of succeeding, the region must be stable in order for trade to occur.
And the odd man out here is, of course, North Korea and its always psychophantic and pathological "leadership". In a world where Japan and Russia are inking deals, and Russia and China are inking deals, and possibly, the USA and Japan are inking deals, none of these powers can be terribly happy with the idiot in Pyongyang. In short, it's one of those countries - like the (out)house of Saud - that might be "on the menu."
And it's looking increasingly like that might be the case, if this article which appeared in Russia's Sputnik site is accurate:
China Plots ‘Decapitation’ Strike on Kim Jong-Un Regime in North Korea – Reports
The opening paragraphs here are nothing less than eye-openers, and in spite of the low-key "academic" style of the reportage, surely have to fall into the "wow" category:
A leading Chinese professor Zhe Sun said at a security forum in Washington that Beijing has already begun contemplating ‘decapitation’ strikes against the dictatorship in North Korea after Kim Jong-Un’s regime conducted two nuclear tests in less than a month.
According to a report by the Korea Times, Professor Zhe Sun told a security forum in Washington that Chinese leaders are debating the best way to deal with an increasingly unhinged North Korean regime that has escalated its march towards fielding a nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile capable of striking the mainland United States. This combination image of two photographs taken on September 5, 2016 shows, at left, US President Barack Obama speaking during a press conference following the conclusion of the G20 summit in Hangzhou, China, and at right, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte speaking during a press conference in Davao City, the Philippines, prior to his departure for Laos to attend the ASEAN summit.
"Some Chinese scholars and policy makers began to talk about supporting ‘surgical strikes’ and decapitation’ by the US and South Korea as one policy option," said the esteemed professor. "More radical proposals indicate that China should change the leader, send troops across borders and station in DPRK, force DPRK into giving up nuclear and beginning opening up and reforming."The statements that China may be considering regime change in North Korea are unprecedented with Beijing long serving as the vital lifeline to Pyongyang dating back to the Korean War in the 1950s and with accusations even being leveled against China that they are aiding Kim Jong-Un’s march towards fielding a destructive nuclear weapon by side stepping sanctions.
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If North Korea are such bad dudes, why isn’t the sheriff of the world bombing them ??? Maybe because there is nothing there of interest or benefit ?????
Thank you, Eve, for your perspective on this. I was preparing an extended response to the “idea” and your response made this much shorter and easier.
Basta’s concerns notwithstanding I am willing to assume the article is genuine and represents a stream of thought from Russia itself. There comes a time when the powerful master understands his prized pooch has rabies and needs to be put down. We might be living in such times.
I’ll reserve my thoughts for an independent comment later.
If China and Japan wish to establish themselves as global powers and want to repair their relationships for trade and economic prosperity this would be a good time for the world to see how they would resolve such a serious geopolitical problem. Both nations had a role to play in the creation of a nuclear North Korea. If benefactor and conqueror were to both sit down at the table and decapitate this regime jointly without creating a serious conflict their bona fides as global powers in the region will take hold. Russia would also want a seat at the table to protect its interest also. If such an alliance were possible the neoconservatives here in the US would do everything they could to prevent it.
The US has a dubious track record with regime change. If we were to attempt this decapitation the neoconservatives would ratchet the stress in the region rather than eliminate it. If Libya and Egypt are models for decapitation our involvement would mean changing the banking system and installing a puppet regime to be exploited or harvested later. China, Japan and Russia would prefer more stability and be seriously motivated to resolve this as a regional issue. The US’s ace is pressing the trigger for WWIII by provoking North Korea into a nuclear strike. Had Clinton ascending into the Presidency we might certainly be in the middle of a serious crisis now. Her foreign policy would be a continuance of her past policies while Secretary of State and her primary goal would be to how best divide the spoils of her Presidential success. With the transition in administrations here it’s hard to tell how this would play.
Almost impossible, China and Japan is more or less like brothers from different mother, they hate each other to their dead. Why I use that term? Japan was still a matricidal society all the way as recent as 170-248AD. Both countries has document to back it up. After the official relationship between China and Japan established after Three Kingdom Period, the Patriarch ideology slowly made it is way into Japan, eventually Japan became a Patriarch imperial rule, when Japan still a matricidal society, they were peaceful, never war, but Patriarch imperial rule took over, guess what?
Also according to the Qing Dynasty’s document, the First Emperor seek immortality, he sent 300 pairs of young boy and young girl to Feng Lai Island in exchange for essence of immortality, Feng Lai means, the place where the gods or immortal dwell, it can also mean, the place where heaven located. And Feng Lai Island = Japan. Many places still have statues to commemorating this visit, some Chinese scholar even believe this visit was the cause of end of Jōmon culture (a culture was FAR more superior than a farming culture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himiko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Fu
There was a long history of culture exchange between China and Japan, however, Japan doesn’t like this part of the history, they try very hard to remove that from their history book.
Japan not invade China once, but three times, only the 3rd time they finally reach China, the previous two times they fail due to lack of supply of food and enforcement from their home country, why so compel for Japan to invade China? So Japan can officially overwrite the Chinese influence, as well as take over “Father”‘s legacy and resource LOL
I’m not saying all Japanese people are bad, or the Chinese are good, both countries have good and bad people and influence, I actually like Japanese’s general public more than I enjoy the company of the people from mainland China, the Japanese people are generally nice, polite, extremely considerate and gentle unlike the mainlander, rude, inconsiderate and woman poo in the public in front of the crowd!
Oops I just reported your comment rather than reply because my fingers are too big. Sorry.
Do mainland Chinese women really poo in public?
IMHO, if we have not passed the point of no return to end the Obama administration we must be there now. Congress certified our election last week. The only remaining “impediment” is largely ceremonial and symbolic. For all practical purposes Donald Trump is now President and Obama is pending retirement. (It’s funny how loud President Obama whined when he could not act as President before his inauguration—and remains firmly steadfast on maintaining his leverage until the very last day! On the other hand it is consistent with his narcissistic behavior.) I would argue that in a crisis continuity of government would now require the transition to Trump rather than rescinding the election. Like all of his achievements Obama’s track record as a Nobel Peace prize-winner has proven to be more advertisement than product. The rest of the world would treat a continuance of the Obama administration as fraudulent as his Nobel Prize and move to fill the vacuum of super-power quickly. Russia and China have signaled to the world that they consider Trump to be the de-facto President and have begun aligning their policies accordingly.
Except for the losing faction in the Deep State, that part who embraced the unipolar “globalist” policies of empire, everyone else is quickly moving to a “multi-polar” economic structure. The model for the NWO seems to have shifted from “Empire” to “Republic”. As the Star Wars movies make clear Republics can become Empires—but in steps. Trump understands this and is prepared to move forward within that paradigm if his faction of the Deep State is willing. Ex-President Obama is a dinosaur hopelessly stuck in the past—which is one of life’s curious paradoxes for this particular celebrity in chief. Say what you will about Trump’s reality TV at least his ascendance has far greater transparency than Obama’s celebrity. From official sources we know far more about Trump than we did Obama–which gives me room for pause and wonder.
Given that the Korean War ended in a armistice not a peace treaty. This military limbo must be ended once and for all chaos r us has refused to end this conflict for over sixty years. Better known as the USA this situation has allow for it’s indefinite garrisoning of both Korea and Japan and meddling in that region affairs. Nothing like stirring up the pot for fun and profit.
I could think of a much simpler solution that wouldn’t involve killing people– President Trump should offer unmarried daughter Tiffany to North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un as his bride. This is how these kind of thorny issues were dealt with in the past and I’m not sure why we can’t do it today. And like Ivanka Trump who converted to her husband’s orthodox j e wish religion, Tiffany could do the right thing and adopt the religion of the North Koreans and that is the dual worship of both the founding Leader Kim Jong-Il and also the worship of the Sacred Mountain Paektu which straddles North Korea and China and is also an active volcano. As no one on the planet loves a soap opera more than the Koreans and as soap operas are one of the chief exports of South Koreans, I think this gesture by President Trump would catapult his stature in this part of the world and not only would it end the hostilities between the US and North Korea but Trump could even possibly negotiate a reunification of the Korean peninsula. (Imagine the Pentagon triggering some seismic activity below the sacred volcano on cue and Tiffany soothing the angry mountain with oblations? The Koreans would make her their queen and her half Korean offspring their king immediately.) Of course, the CIA would have to be taken out first as they have been pulling the strings in North Korea’s Supreme People’s Assembly since the cease fire while simultaneously orchestrating a covert war on the hapless peasants of North Korea who can never get enough food to eat thanks to unceasing chemical and biological attacks on their food supply. (Gosh, we sure will miss the CIA).
Of course, China and Japan would be opposed to this as a unified Korea would be a mighty force in not just Asia but the world. Every obscure olympic sport that caters to Asians would be dominated by Korea and US geopolitical interest would be well served as China and Japan would be kept in check by a powerful Korea, especially if a Trump heir one day rules over both Koreas. In fact, with this strategy of putting his progeny in the leadership positions of foreign nations, Trump would be very similar to Napoleon and then this could truly be called the Trumpic Age. Possibly even one day Baron Trump will be anointed Tsar of Eurasia with his mother Melania serving as regent and his j e wish cousin Joseph Kushner in charge of the Eurasian development Bank (and Joseph’s brother Theodore in charge of the US Infrastructure Bank). Who would one day anoint Baron Trump Tsar of Eurasia? How about one of Trump’s other grandchildren, a Christian one, who will take Holy Orders and be secretly in charge of uniting Roman Catholicism, Anglicism, the Orthodox Church, and the other main line denominations under one unified unsquabbling Christian banner, as well as converting all the remaining progressive cult members and Christians fundamentalists after their KGB engineered bloody civil war comes to an end and they are in desperate need of peace and hope.
With your usual literary flair you have touched on a few of my own misgivings about President-elect Trump. I’ll admit much of my thinking is flavored by Catherine Austin Fitts’ analysis–but its one flavor in the stew. I’ve contributed far too much to this conversation than I intended. I am hardly a Trump apologist. I seek greater understanding. The people who contribute the conversation here are among some of the most enlightened people I’ve seen on any site. Please keep me thinking.
I guess the other thing to consider– if someone executes a surgical strike on the leadership of North Korea, that would create a vacuum and an opportunity for someone to slip into the new North Korean leadership role of absolute dictator. I can think of one spurned harridan in New York City who is looking for a tyrant job where she would also be worshipped like a goddess by the masses, as well as giving her a platform to once again attempt the conquest of the world and possibly the solar system. I’m talking about Hillary Clinton. Perhaps she is behind the plan? And how easy would it be for Hillary to win over the North Korean masses with some grain she could buy on the cheap from her friends at Monsanto using Clinton Foundation money. She wouldn’t even need to change her wardrobe much as several of the outfits she wore during the last campaign looked like they were crafted by a North Korean fashion designer. And how about that sacred volcano to dump political opponents, discarded lovers, and pizza toppings? Or, if I know Hillary, maybe she would find that North Korea isn’t big enough for a divine ruler and a sacred mountain and she would destroy the competing volcano with a couple North Korean nukes.
lol… I’ve heard stories that she’s considering a run for Mayor of New York City.
Andrew Cuomo
I’m in politics. I’m in government.
So nothing surprises me.
I wonder if she is motivated to run for NYC mayor by more than just a desire to be queen of NY for a while? Perhaps she wants to get control of the NYPD and stop them from any criminal investigations relating to Weiner’s laptop. Or maybe just a vendetta against the department in general for leaks which damaged her presidential bid or even stopping potential blackmail of her via the Weiner laptop. It would also be important for the CIA to have one of their assets in place if it proves necessary to cover up a presidential assassination, a major false flag or a major bank gold heist. And if California were to ever really secede, you can be sure Mayor Hillary would peal NYC away from the United States and turn it into its own independent city state– where she would be Doge of this new psychotic republic on the Hudson, otherwise referred to as Shrew York City. In the least, if she were mayor of NY, Trump’s Manhattan white house wouldn’t get a moment of peace from municipal bureaucratic retaliation.
Then there is all the NYPD’s incriminating 9/11 files…
Loved your Tiffany solution.
I can hear Kim Jong-In now:
I want to still be me when I wake up in the morning
and have breakfast at Tiffany’s.
I read something interesting recently where the author stated that it was actually the US that was backing North Korea and pulling the strings and the reason was to need an excuse to place missiles in South Korea pointing at China. Based on the fact what the US has done in the Middle East and Ukraine, nothing surprises me any more.
ROFL. If this does represent reality no wonder Russia and China are talking about regime change! (Yes, it’s only funny in a back-handed sense because it completely inverts a lot of geopolitical thinking on the issue.) Honestly, I do not know enough to say one way or the other. Either way, I’m watching Japan carefully. In either case Japan is a potential target for North Korean missiles. Depending on which side they weigh we get a better peak into their strategic geopolitical and economic interests.
hahahhaa, even if China really consider change leadership, they wouldn’t go open to have war with North Korea, a conspiracy will do the trick, there are more than one son and relative still alive in the Kim’s family, everyone will not hesitate to replace Kim Jong-Un if China willing to back them up. And I don’t think Kim Jong-Un stupid enough not understand his own situation, if he does, it is own fault for being replace.
Just simply look at when Kim Jong-il’s action before he die, he actually brought Kim Jong-Un to Beijing to seek recognition and support, usually it is the elderst son inherit father’s “throne”, Kim Jong-Un was his youngest son, to secure his youngest son’s “Royal” seat, and suppress other son’s jealousy or possible conspiracy in the future, seek political support from their main ally is a smart move.
Actually this is not new to the Chinese, in old time, Korea always a depending country to China, they paid tribute to whatever dynasty was in power each year in exchange for military protection, they themselves has no army, the so call army was a small imperial army for the Emperor’s protection only, whenever there is trouble, internal riot, power struggle conspiracy or Japanese invasion, they will send messenger to Beijing ask for military assistant.
Some times the Emperor will also seek recognition from China for the crown prince, and North Korea now more or less like an imperial inheritance country, father pass power down to son, when Kim Jong-il brought Kim Jong-Un to Beijing for recognition and support was totally normal, not like North Korea has many ally lolz
We Chinese (only the HKer) even use Guard Dog to describe the relationship between North Korea and China, why the dog bark so loud? Because it got a “powerful” master to back it up.
We Chinese (only the HKer) even use Guard Dog to describe the relationship between North Korea and China, why the dog bark so loud? Because it got a “powerful” master to back it up.
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Thank you Eve, this is such a fascinating and revealing comment! It really sums up and explains the MO and role of North Korea perfectly.
Which then leads to the question of who really is behind this “decapitation” idea and why Sputnik is reporting it. Is this a neocon ploy to push China into this or paint them into a corner and snatch NK away from their orbit? And so Sputnik is raising the alarm?
There’s nearly as much poking and jabbing at China as there is against Russia right now, and the story line being presented here is classic three-letter boys.
They’re sowing chaos as fast as they can as the clock winds down, looking for a hail Mary crisis. A really scary bunch of nutjobs.
Thank you, Eve, for your perspective on this. I was preparing an extended response to the “idea” and your response made this much shorter and easier.
Basta’s concerns notwithstanding I am willing to assume the article is genuine and represents a stream of thought from Russia itself. There comes a time when the powerful master understands his prized pooch has rabies and needs to be put down. We might be living in such times.
I’ll reserve my thoughts for an independent comment later.
I believe so, you see in Chinese culture, we are all related in blood, so it is a one big family, specially the current Chinese government isn’t a “family” base imperial ruler-ship, therefore among these different families and power group, they constantly struggle to get hold of the power.
One good example: Bo Yibo was one of the founder of Chinese communist government, and his son Bo Xilai was one of the survived son during culture revolution, he was kind of conspired some kind of power game few years back, but unfortunately he is not a very good player in this power arena, this is why, even with such powerful back ground and family connection, he still got kick out of the game.
This is a tip of iceberg, imagine how many power hungry “monster” lurking around close to the current Chinese power house, they will totally stabbing the leader’s back if they given a chance, don’t forget the 2 faces of the Chinese.
“A leading Chinese professor Zhe Sun said at a security forum in Washington” You can actually stop right there, China is an extremely close country, we have a joke – if the leader of China fart, it will be part of national security and top secrete. ROFL!!!
There is NO way the Chinese government will publicly announce their military movement. I strongly believe whoever this Zhe Sun represent, just want to stir up the pot a bit. Otherwise it wouldn’t even have a statement – “More radical proposals indicate that China should change the leader”.
Eve,
Loved your analysis.
In sticking with the Chinese sayings/Better to be a dog in peacetime, than a man in war. Looks like North Korea has always been a lightening rod taking the hits. The waters are basically tested in North Korea; and that’s from all sides.
I’m with Basta on the corporate news front. Could be Kissinger’s visit fed some Russian media poodles a bone to throw out to see if anyone bites. As the Chinese say/Killing the dog does not heal the bite.