OF STEM CELLS AND RESURRECTIONS...SOME THORNY QUESTIONS

OF STEM CELLS AND RESURRECTIONS…SOME THORNY QUESTIONS

By now most readers of this website are familiar with the plans of the transhumanists to download and upload human personalities, or rather, their memories, to computers and then to upload those into "clones" to achieve a kind of immortality, a process my co-author Scott D DeHart and I outlined in our book Transhumanism: A Grimoire of Alchemical Agendas. As we argued briefly in that book, there were two fundamental assumptions at work behind this: the first was that memories were located in the brain exclusively, and were therefore nothing more than certain physical-chemical relationships that constitute the "memories" and that these were transferable. Personality was, in short, based on materialist assumptions. The second assumption is a more subtle and indeed metaphysical and theological one, and one more or less implicit to Western culture, even to the atheist, though many would not know it: that assumption is that soul and person are the same things.

The debate just changed, and rather dramatically, for now there is open acknowledgement of the actual scientific attempt to resurrect individuals, as the following article shared by Mr. V.T. indicates:

Resurrecting Dead People Using Stem Cells Given The Green Light

The essence is what one might expect, another corporate grab for power, even over the issue of death and personhood itself:

Scientists are getting ethical permission from health watchdogs to resurrect dead people by using a combination of regeneration therapies. Starting this year, the groundbreaking Project Reanima will primarily use stem cells to stimulate the regrowth of neurons in clinically dead patients. Bioquark Inc., an American biotech company, is one of medical companies given the green light to conduct the trials on 20 brain dead patients from traumatic injuries.

Leading the team is Dr Himanshu Bansal, Indian specialist who works with Biotech companies Revita Life Sciences and Bioquark Inc,. The team will use a combination of therapies, which include injecting the brain with stem cells and a cocktail of peptides, as well as deploying lasers and nerve stimulation techniques. The procedure has been shown to bring patients out of comas.

The resurrection technique using stem cells will test whether parts of the dead patients' central nervous system can be brought back to life. Scientists believe that the brain stem cells may be able to erase their history and re-start life again based on their surrounding tissue. The process is similar to that in creatures like salamanders who can regrow entire limbs. (Emphasis added)

There is some suggestive corroborative news that would seem to rationalize the process, according to this article shared by Mr. T.M.:

Doctors record ‘unexplained’ brain activity ten minutes after patient died

What's intriguing in the latter article is that there is no explanation for brainwave activity continuing after clinical death, and particularly, the loss of oxygen and circulation from the heart:

Is there life after death? Science can’t yet answer that question – but doctors in a Canadian intensive care unit say that a patient showed ‘persistent’ brain activity after death.

The activity was detected 10 minutes after the patient was certified dead.

Doctors had confirmed death by the absence of a pulse, and a lack of reaction in the pupils – but the patient still appeared to have ‘delta wave bursts’, similar to what happens in sleep.

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The researchers admit that there is no biological explanation for how brain activity could continue several minutes after the heart has stopped beating, according to Science Alert.

The scientific study of life, in some form or fashion, after death has been a small but growing field for many decades. But I am going to suggest that these two articles must be taken together, for it is that "taking together" that forms the basis of today's high octane speculation. Pose this question: What motivations might be behind the attempt to "resurrect" the neurons, and hence, brain function, of long dead people, beyond the obvious ones of attempting a "resurrection" at all? If one speculates a bit about the second article, what it might suggest is something that I personally have long thought, namely, that the mind and the brain are two different things, and that the former is something like a non-local, and hence, ultimately non-material phenomenon, and that the latter functions like a radio receiver of sorts, tuning it is, or transducing it into this material existence. This runs counter to neat schemes of Cartesian dualism or even epiphenomenalism. It could indeed be that the creation of a unique brain by human reproduction brings into existence an information matrix - the mind with all its non-locality - that was not there previously. It would be akin to an ancient Christian doctrine called "traducianism" (a doctrine which, incidentally, many believe to be a heresy and which was viewed that way by the medieval Western Church).

If one takes or assumes this view for the sake of argument (and for the sake of our high octane speculation of the day), then another purpose for the "resurrection" experiments presents itself, namely, that a hidden purpose might indeed be to investigate the properties of consciousness, and particularly, should the physical side of the experiments prove successful, whether or not the same person is re-instantiated, or if, indeed, "someone" or some thing else comes through, or nothing at all. In all cases, the cosmological implications are immense, if viewed from the standpoint of modern physics which suggests the importance of observers to all physical observation, for in bringing back into a timeline someone who has already passed out of it through death, is that timeline itself modified, and hence, is there a connection to multi-verse hypotheses? Is this, really, therefore, the reason that - at least so far as Old Testament religion is concerned - there are warnings against sorcery, i.e., against necromancy, i.e., because of its cosmological implications?

Whatever the answers to those questions may be, merely asking them highlights the dangers that modern science, unbridled as it is from any moral restraints, poses.

See you on the flip side...

24 thoughts on “OF STEM CELLS AND RESURRECTIONS…SOME THORNY QUESTIONS”

  1. Ah, splendid……. where science may fail to elucidate adequately :
    “the first was that memories were located in the brain exclusively, and were therefore nothing more than certain physical-chemical relationships that constitute the “memories” and that these were transferable. ”
    Is science making a large assumption here? Is it proven that memories are exclusively in and originate in the brain?
    The issue of how what is seemingly immaterial i.e. Thoughts, ideas etc can give rise to the material…..
    Ressurection vs Reincarnation……..
    There is a profound difference……

  2. What a can of worms…

    (Incidentally, the first article – reading the intent – seems to be around research ‘simply’ seeking to revive brain-dead patients rather than truly-dead people. The former are still alive, just with no recorded brainwaves due to injuries of various sorts. This is FAR from bringing-back truly-dead people…)

    My former land-lady had ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease and motor neurone disease (MND). It causes the death of neurons which control voluntary muscles, leading to body degeneration and death. (Horrifying, and I intend to talk to God sometime about why he/she/it really needed that in the world.) The point here is that, in an experimental research program, she had fat cells taken from her body, reprogrammed through chemical means into stem cells, and injected into her brain in the hope of regenerating those neurons. A lot like the research noted in the first article. She had it done three times, and it didn’t seem to stop the deterioration. (Her great personality was there, clear to the end…)

    On the second article, there are innumerable cases of people being clinically-dead (really dead, not brain dead) and coming-back long-after ‘science’ said that their physical brains should have had irreversible damage. I have mentioned Dannion Brinkley as an outstanding case of such an NDE. Joseph McMoneagle of “remote viewing” fame also had one long one and a (later) short one. Neither individual should have been back-here by scientific standards…

    I do have one rather macabre question: In lab studies (yuck), scientists divided just-started animal-embryos into two or more ‘individuals’ by plucking-apart the two or four embryonic-stem-cell (ESC) blastocysts and letting the individual cells develop. To the scientists’ surprise, the animals developed into normal individuals and seemed none-the-worse for this ‘treatment’. So, what would happen if you did this with humans? (Individual souls? A shared soul? No soul?)

  3. Well I think ‘they’ want to build an army using dead bodies as vessels for their evil folk. Think Rockefella, Soros, Clinton etc – multiples of them, spread around the world. ‘They’ know they can build robots that can eventually take in a spirit, but perhaps that technology is still a long way from the robot being functional. Maybe the dead body, with all its entrails intact, is their better option.

  4. The wicked wit of man always studies to apply the results of talents to enslaving, or cheating his fellow beings.
    -Horace Walpole, 1785
    The importance of information is directly proportional to its improbability.
    – A fundamental theorem of information theory
    The door of Heaven & Hell are adjacent and identical.
    -Nikos Kazantzakis
    Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.
    Aldous Huxley

  5. they just want to ask the great big question for the meaning of life, the universe and, well, everything (/ Douglas Adams Hitchikers Guide)
    Is there death after life?
    and
    does their God, Satan, think they are doing a jolly good job stuffing up intelligent life down here on earth? (/ Monty Python’s Meaning of Life).
    some were Heretics for thinking the Donation of Constantine was a fake, which it was…
    OTOH
    maybe they burned heretics to make sure they were gone.
    next news to hear… scientist successfully mates with pig, working on wings to fly, hopes to reach for the sun.

  6. In “Sitchin-speak,” I believe what the trans-humanist’s actual goal is creating another model of Igigi/Igigu. No “soul,” no “consiciousness,” no “morality”; merely automatons that are programmed to carry out functions assigned by the controlling-class.

  7. There are a couple of other things to add here.

    One, there is no hard and fast definition of “death” in the clinical sense. We generally use lack of brain activity to indicate death, but the rest of the body can continue on in that state (a coma) for some time. Is that person dead?
    There are also those who have been declared dead who have “come back” after long periods of time (30 to 90 minutes or more) with no brain or heart activity. Were they really dead?

    We are generally victims of our own definitions (see Sheldrake’s talk about his experiences with “universal constants” and the standard defining crowd. Their logical fallacies will drive you crazy, but are good for a laugh).

    I think the prohibition against magic was manifold – playing around in those other worlds is like going into a tropical jungle – we are not necessarily the top of the food chain there. There are most likely entities that see us as lunch – much like a polar bear or shark.

    There is also the point of going around the Church to get metaphysical information – a definite no-no for the control freaks.

    The materialist world view is not only distorted and narrow, it is simply wrong. Unfortunately, most of those clowns won’t get it until they have made a royal mess out of everything (maybe not even then – denial is not just a river in Egypt).

  8. You failed to bring reincarnation in your post but you hinted indirectly. Who would be reincarnated it might not be who they were expecting. But then who are these devils resurrecting really heaven help us.

  9. Sorcery was one aspect of the forbidden knowledge taught to mankind and the hybrid offspring of the fallen angels or “gods” of high antiquity. Secret societies, no doubt, have attempted to maintain this knowledge over the centuries, the Cabala has its “golems”, etc. The souls of the dead hybrid offspring were supposedly doomed to roam the earth and plague mankind. Perhaps these modern day “sorcerers” are attempting to upload these into freshly dead bodies due to their arrogance or for some nefarious purpose; or this is just another attempt by the “elite” to bring about their own “immortality”. None of this will bear healthy fruit, I’m sure, or be allowed for the “useless eaters”. One thing you can count on, it’s not being done for the publicly stated reasons.

    1. AARRGH – just lost a 2 hour essay on Sorcery and Sumerians.. that will teach me to close an internet window by mistake…

      OK – without all the links and explanations and referring to the books…
      Very synthetic version :
      I imagine that the Golems and Undead servants go back to guardians of Unug, the laḫama and the enkums. Ea was a very busy God/Alien and I’m pretty sure they came up with Robot Sentinels.. Look at Gilgamesh and Huwawa.. Death rays from his eyes indeed… There’s even a cylinder seal with a very robotic looking demon…

      1. Kahlypso, check your surfing “history” and that website you closed by mistake should be on it. I believe every computer OS keeps tabs on this. If you can’t find it, do a search for how to find it on your particular OS.

  10. Why oh why would you want to be brought back from death? Either we are eternal spirits or there is nothing left after death. If when I die and I find myself still a conscious being – I assume and hope I would understand and know more than from where I just came from (human being/earth). If the scientists brought me back to this body or a different one to gain a few more years, I don’t believe I would be happy about it. If this life is it, then I’m the lucky one, I live in paradise except for the fact that children are dying from hunger and bombs and we are destroying mother earth. And for some reason there’s an evilness that’s been with us from ancient times that have kept higher esoteric knowledge from us. The more I learn about energy, love, frequencies, sacred geometry and how it fits together along with my own psychic meditation experience the more I believe a transformation occurs when we die.

    1. Sandygirl, there are many reports about Near Death Experience-ers (NDE) being really p.o.-ed about being revived. They liked it ‘where’ they were. On the other hand, there are NDE people who were ‘booted’ back here because they still had stuff to do. No ‘pleading’ was heeded. We live in a strange ‘larger’ world…

    2. Seems as though Lazarus has something to say about all this. Actually, tradition has it he rarely talked after tasting life after death for four days. Perhaps it is a bit traumatic to learn that life is an on-going project and is somehow a “rebreather” after a “life” of constant decay. Is this like being “born again” but with a divine “sameness” refused? Not sure how I’d react to discovering that Heisenberg’s fiction truer than fact–that this reality is utterly dependent on observant participation. And to return to a dimension that vaporizes when my head is turned? My two sense says there is collateral issues here in perpetuating the “ficticious person” as King Washington’s wildest dream coming “true”?

  11. Just given what is happening in real physics (as opposed to the caricature version) there is no longer any excuse for these cell-tinkering researchers to ignore the non-local, quantum nature of reality. Since they MUST know about this aspect, failing to mention it in the context of their research is a material omission. But maybe they think it imprudent to confess that they are doing what is at the very best a way to read the cellular “tape recorder” (as mentioned by Daryl Davis in the previous comment. Or maybe a “clone army” experiment. Or, knowing the cultural background of transhumanism, a sort of black magic operation to create bodies artificially for use by someone or something…

  12. What was meant by “…the brain stem cells may be able to erase their history…”? The history of their having physically expired? Or the history of their having been “Harold the plumber”? And what is the difference between this process of individual reanimation and that of 3D-printing/”beaming”, in which a physical person, along with his whole personality presumably, is transported or otherwise duplicated through space?

    Were an eternal, even perhaps a multi-contemporaneous, over-soul refracted by the physical brain, what would be the effects of making any distortions, or half-animations, to this prism of souls, the physical brain. For example, if a holographic dynamic exists, regarding information “possessed” by a soul, such that any reanimated part could faithfully represent the whole soul were the prism sufficiently well designed, could a proper reanimation solely of the cerebral cortex of the deceased person, particularly of those parts responsible for speech and the processing of experience, allow researchers to glean what might be discovered of the over-soul, including its many manifestations, and of its eternal environs without allowing the “patient” to live again?

    1. It means that the stem cells were able to revert back to their primal state before they became brain cells or muscle cells or eyeball cells and take genetic instruction from the cells floating around them….. the application of this technology is mind bogglingly terrifying.

      1. What would be the point of reverting a brain cell to anything but another brain cell? No one would likely need an ear cell inside their skull. And wouldn’t such a cellular reversion erase the memory as well, by disrupting a previously established neural pathway, thereby short-circuiting some aspect of the patient’s original personality?

  13. WOW….that was an amazing read! And that left me with the uncanny feeling like we just opened the last door and fell down the final rabbit hole!….Ding, Ding! Ding!

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