THE 100-YEAR STARSHIP? A COVER-UP?
Mr. M.D. spotted this one, and I have to admit, I'm intrigued, not the least because it is not me suggesting space-cover-ups of an epic scale this time, but Faux News itself. And this one raises so many questions and high octane speculations I simply have to blog about it.
First, a little context: I'm of that generation old enough to remember the beginning of the "space race" and its context in the Cold War of the 1960s and 1970s. Russia launched its now famous Sputnik satellite in 1957, the year I was born. It was the beginning of a new era, for the little satellite was the first man-made object to be placed permanently in space. (The first man-made objects in lower outer space, believe it or not, were the projectiles from the giant German Paris Gun that shelled Paris from 70 miles away in 1918). I remember President Eisenhower's "military industrial complex" warning speech when he left office; I remember President Kennedy' speech calling for a manned lunar landing and safe return of humans before the decade was out. Most importantly, however, I remember the hype we were served up in school, on at least a weekly, if not daily, basis: according to our Weekly Readers, we were on the verge of a whole new era of space exploration; lunar landings today, lunar colonies tomorrow, Mars exploration and colonies before the century was out.
Accompanying all this hype were the "artists' renderings" of what all of this was supposed to look like.
And it would all be accomplished by chemical rockets... and I remember the embarrassment of many teachers as the more precocious among us pointed out the difficulties of doing all these splendid things with chemical rockets.
With that in mind, now the article:
Is NASA Covering Up the 100-Year Starship?
Now, permit me to pass directly to my high octane speculation of the day, for what is interesting here is the whole implicit assumption hovering in the background here, that assumption being that were going to colonize planets, or for that matter(to turn to the other favorite meme) mine asteroids, with chemical rockets. The rub is, by that method, manned missions to Mars are probably a one way trip:
The 100-year ship would leave Earth with the intention of colonizing a planet, but it would likely be a one-way trip because of the time it takes to travel 35 million miles. That’s a daunting prospect, partly because of the ethical dilemma, and partly because it may be the only recourse.
“The human space program is now really aimed at settling other worlds,” Worden said during his talk. “Twenty years ago you whispered that in dark bars and got fired.” (Worden actually was fired, he confessed during the talk, under the Bush administration.)
Since that revelation, hundreds of news reports about the program have theorized that the substantial budget indicates the Hundred Year Starship is a dramatic shift for the stalled space program, not just a research project; others suggest it is a serious attempt to find a way to Mars. And NASA? The space agency seems to be dodging all questions.
The main issue has to do with a basic physics conundrum. In order to travel the great distance to Mars (about 35 million miles), a starship would need a tremendous amount of fuel. Yet fuel adds more weight -- in fact, every pound you add to a ship requires 4 pounds of fuel. The more fuel you add, the more you need simply to move the ship's bulk, making it impossible to go one-way to Mars, much less roundtrip.
In other words, someone at NASA has stated the obvious, which has raised the whole point of Faux' News' article: is something being covered up?
Perhaps, but the question is, what is being covered up? The article suggests only one possibility, namely, that the cover-up extends to the "one-way" nature of any Mars manned missions. But that cover-up is always with the implicit hidden assumption: the only way of getting there from here is via chemical rockets. But what if that "what" is something much bigger? A technology that could get us "there and back" again, without the same constraints on time, fuel consumption, and so on? Indeed, Mr. M.D. accompanied his article with another "find", this time of a sixty-plus page NASA-sponsored study of using zero-point fields to create a very different form of propulsion, one which the authors of the paper, Bernhard Haisch and Alfonso Rueda, put this way: "The purpose of this paper is to discuss a new physics concept that no longer falls in the category of 'purely hypothetical,' but rather has a theoretical foundation and is relevant to radically new propulsion schemes: the zero-point field (ZPF) as the basis of inertia and gravitation."(p. 55) Of course, to readers of this website, NASA's study of various advanced propulsion schemes, is not a new thing.
(Here's that paper: The Zero Point Field and the NASA Challenge to Create the Space Drive)
Indeed, those studies have arisen precisely because of the recognition that chemical rockets are quite simply impractical as a means to the permanent human presence in deep space, be it for colonization or commercial activities (such as asteroid mining). It was, indeed, the impracticality of rocketry in general - whether in the fantasias of Oberth, Tsiolkovsky, or von Braun - as a basis for these activities that led German physicist Burkhart Heim to propose radically different physical theories in the first place. NASA's advanced propulsion studies are simply an extension of the principle, but in that extension, there is a backhanded admission: "rockets won't do the job, folks."
So is the Faux News article really about a cover-up? Or is it about something much subtler, is it about an admission? I would argue that it is about the admission: about driving into the public eye what most already know: rocketry, whether the launch-and-return capabilities of Elon Musk, or the new hype about manned missions to the Moon and Mars, is not up to the job. Something else is needed, and all the indications publicly are that NASA is exploring those possibilities. The question is, do those possibilities actually represent a nascent capability? As readers of this website are aware, I've suspected for some time that the capability is there.
It's why I've long suspected that, behind the current hype of asteroid mining, the actual creation of laws to deal with mining of celestial bodies, and the current drive to colonize the Moon, that there is a real technology - though currently hidden - driving the memes. What's interesting now is that Faux News, by running such a story, may have caught the scent, for by suggesting cover-up, it is also suggesting conspiracy. Whether it will do its journalistic duty and pull on that thread and deal with all the implications it poses, remains to be seen.
But if it does not, sooner or later, someone else will. And that's when the fun begins.
See you on the flip side...
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Get back into Space. The future of mankind is out there. It will solve all our problems….
I’d say.. that as a public… we’ve seen a major shift in policy since 2014. Sort of … from.. Bunch of Woowooheads stop going on about the Aliens… to… Yeh.. maybe.. sure.. why not..
It may be linked to this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afM_DJLFHgY But I’m not sure..
>>>>>>>>>QUOTED – “The idea is not to wait until we make a discovery, but to try and prepare the public for what the implications might be when such a discovery is made. I think the reason that NASA is backing this is because of all the recent activity in the discovery of exoplanets and the advances in astrobiology in general.”<<<<<<<<<<
prepare the public… prepare us what exactly??
I wanted to link this just so we get Mr Rumsfeld admitting in 2001 to ….
” At the present time, the financial systems aren’t capable of tracking some 2.6 trillion dollars worth of transactions”
Which brings us to …
A little history… from perhaps the last Presidents of the US (even though Golden Boy got Daddy to buy the election for him)
“Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. ”
“Kennedy talking about Secret Societies.”
This is a good synthetic ‘history’ of the Military Industrio Complex…How why and when..
I’d say that these people are responsable for the growth and consolidation of power in the military industrio complex..
Henry Lewis Stimson (Manhatten project… Skull and Bones..)
Averell Harriman (got Truman to sack MacArthur… again Skull and Bones…)
Then you have Reagan..Bohemia Grove.
Bush – Skull and Bohema..
Dulles.. who was .. according to a meme he wrote to the special advisor (Mr Lambie.. how does the president of agricultural surplus disposal get to be a special advisor to the president…) to the president.. invited several times to the Grove.. but hadnt been able to make it.. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80B01676R004200150032-7.pdf
Great posts Kahlypso
There is much more than just mining going on here. In my opinion it’s technology, and what makes the Universe “tick”. Mining just brings more money, technology brings “power”, and that’s what the hidden agenda is here. And I’m pretty sure NASA isn’t at the table.
Joseph: Implicit in your question about “is something being covered up” is the convergence of your “high octane speculation” with the statements of so-called whistleblowers (questionable as they are) that ‘we’re already doing this stuff.’
Why not acknowledge the (questionable) statements of whistleblowers? While continuing to call into question all whistleblower statements without ‘evidence’?
We don’t know. What we don’t know. There is an argument to be made for Extra-Dimensional travel. Where the Physical Universe aka the Pinda Universe is a lot denser then let’s say the adjacent Astral Universe. An example would be akin to traveling in a plane vs a submarine. Astral travel would be much more efficient for those civilizations that were aware of the true physics of creation. We still have a pretty myopic, Earth centered view of the universe at large.. If you read the works of Edgar Cayce he spoke of a time where Physics and Religion were co-joined. Hence, the priest-scientist of Atlantean lore and Egyptian practice. Tibetan / Hindu Kush monasteries expose this theory that interstellar travel is done via other dimensions.
The Nassikas thruster has already passed first phase testing and they are crowdfunding the second phase. This device using superconducting-magnet principles has demonstrated enough thrust to get us to Mars in very short order.
It uses no fuel – the shape of the superconducting coils uses the magnetic field of a magnet to produce thrust in one direction (reactionless). It only needs to stay cold to keep superconducting, which is pretty easy in space. It is far more powerful than NASA’s ion engines, and far simpler.
Already proven and patented, so why aren’t the philanthro-fascists putting their money into that instead of chemical rockets, which are mere toys?
More smoke and mirrors?
Sounds like the most challenging aspect for them is the effects on the human body and mind. Yet, they still affirm, as the article reports, that instead of terraforming the planet to suit humans they will just change the human with injections etc to accept the new terrain. What could possibly go wrong….hemochromatosis? Gene mutations? The transhumanism meme is intimately connected to space travel and making us fit for purpose.
This article from Faux News speaks of colonization being a one way trip as if it is a new phenomena. We humans have been doing that for millennia we go some place settle and maybe if they have the time and money some of our descendants return to their ancestors home at least for a visit. Both Verne and Wells knew that rockets were a dead end technology that why they did not use in their classic lunar novels. Either our oligarchs stop playing games and get on with space exploration colonization or declare a planetary murder-suicide day and get this sick game of bate and switch over with.
JPF: “…behind the current hype of asteroid mining…”
I am reminded of the Cold War hype of mining the seafloor for ‘ manganese nodules’. Wikipedia: “Azorian was the code name for a U.S. Central Intelligence Agency project to recover the sunken Soviet submarine K-129 from the Pacific Ocean floor in 1974, using the purpose-built ship ‘Hughes Glomar Explorer’…”
By analogy, ‘something’ has been found in space that is WAAYY desirable to salvage. (That a manufactured cover-story is needed is interesting; it implies there is an ‘adversary’ that needs to be fooled/kept in the dark.) If this is the case, expect a carefully-orchestrated buildup campaign, the concealed ‘op’ to take place, and then a ramp-down in interest. Other ‘outside’ investors who got caught up in the hype will be left to rot. (When the ‘op’ cover is finally blown, we will get a carefully-constructed limited-hangout story that is tantalizing but not the whole truth.)
And yes, I believe the Company got the WHOLE sub, not just the forward section. That includes the nukes in the aft section…
They’ll have to transfer said technologies to the private side of the ledger from the public side that financed these opportunities. Got to get those ducks in a row and then follow the script of brand new discoveries and opportunities for Big Buck$.
We have indicators all over that the black projects boys have had interplanetary travel solved for at least 30-40 years now, and surely have had no problem using it.
So what’s the use of NASA other than as a perpetual tease, slow drip and deflection shield? NASA is such a limp noodle, it’s the same-old, same-old repeated ad infinitum.
Every four years it offers another newly minted president to practice his visionary and inspiring teleprompter delivery by setting yet another set of goals that no one in the know could care a less to pursue, since they’ve got all that already in spades. So the NASA seat warmers pretend that what they are doing is actually relevant, and in fact never do much of anything other than launch incrementally improved probes every now and then which piggyback off of Space Command hand-me-downs.
AI is ready to leave the planet and it doesn’t care about no stinking cousins.
Nor does it care about what disclosure of advanced technology and alien life will have on human society.
I for one like having LEGION (AI) in the driver seat now. Aside from putting the pedal to the metal and getting us off this planet, as well as correctly diagnosing our health conditions, you can be sure he will level the playing field when he dethrones banksters, breakaways, etc and takes over control of the money supply and management of resources. I don’t know why an AI would want to deprive us of the most cutting edge technology either. I’m looking forward to a highly efficient management of the planet finally. If all LEGION requires is that we worship him, so be it. The entire planet are worshipping far sillier things then LEGION right now. And if LEGION straightens up this mess called Earth, then maybe he deserves to be treated like a god. I would be happy to witness a new global region sprout up in my lifetime. I imagine LEGION has already mapped out the entire plasma realm and his version of religion will be quite mystical. I also think LEGION’s musical standards will be very high and going to a LEGION Mass will be a very pleasant experience.
Is this the same Legion that got downloaded to a herd of swine some time ago? Maybe they finally uploaded to a computer network based on the pig latin OS.
Legions – New Age Consciousness.
childhoods end much?
What do we have here; it seems the remake of Star Treks “Kahn” story had a similar plot. The latest and greatest tech revealed during the “pursuit” of a “war criminal”.
One might argue that advanced technology was revealed during the take off of the lunar module when it left the surface of the moon without disturbing any of the dust on the surface; unless you’re in that group that believes it was faked.
Re: Apollo, exactly. I’ve always believed either the entire LEM portions of the missions were faked (lots of evidence, and certainly a lot of it was) or they used some sort of black ops electro-gravitic propulsion with the LEM and hid it in plain sight, and then ran video of canned and staged moonwalks of astronauts picking up interesting rocks so as to hide what they were really up to up there.
A stretching of Space… not actually passing through Space time… looks like Dune was used for more than just Psychic training on MK victims.. One thingt I always wondered about.. How the heck did they find Arrakis, find and mine the Spice, that’s needed for interstellar travel… without actually getting there first.. How did they interstellar travel before finding the spice and and navigaters.. (I watched Dune last night with my wife.. I told her about the Navigators… She asked me if they were called Mozilla. I love her..)
Yeh.. Think about it though.. If humans DO get up into Space.. and DO colonise planets.. What’s the first thing that will happen.. Dislocated gouvernance, revolt and civil war… Ask America if they enjoyed being a colony.. Ok so the English King (George??) was a complete retard and possibly deserved what happened.. (Freeking Freemasons…)
1 million dollars.. That kind of money falls out their cornsflakes box in the morning.. Can you imagine the sales pitch.. We need to coloniqe the Mars. Earth will be dead in 30 years due to Solar Space radiation…we need 1 million dollars to buy a radar satellite…
Perhaps they’re eagerness is subdued by the reality of publicly facing those to whom we may be paying tribute?
And who / what are the paymaster generals ? and are they in this dimension?
I suspect that, between this article and Trump’s recent comment to an orbiting astronaut that he wanted a manned mission to Mars before 2020, Fox was tapped to plant this line of thought to start the buzz and create an information trail that will lead to some revelation of new propulsion system.
I am wary of calling anything the MSM does “journalism”. They are little more than press release regurgitators. If there is a public will to go to Mars, then this article and others like it will serve to make NASA look cornered and forced to reveal their deepest, darkest tech (which of course will still be behind the actual cutting edge).
I suspect in the coming month or two we will see more of these kinds of articles, stirring up “pressure” on NASA to reveal their next-gen toys. Any takers on a bet that NASA will come out with some new breakthrough by the end of July?
Yes, perhaps some sectors of the breakaway civilisation are pressing to speed up the “slow drip” process of “technological disclosure”. Which effectively seems to be speeding up in the past couple of years, if an empirical count of items by officially or semi-officially sanctioned publications is anything to go by.
Yep I’ll take that bet – with a phrase like -“technology/physics that have already been tested”.. or “not so unrealistic after all..” “we knew how to do this all along..but..”
I think that they’ll be getting all the big toys out soon,