ARTIFICIAL WOMB CREATED
In case you didn't catch the story, artificial wombs have been successfully created and tested... at least, for sheep, according to this article shared by Mr. B:
An artificial womb successfully grew baby sheep — and humans could be next
Now, of course, this is all being sold - predictably enough and just according to the playbook - as a potential health benefit, for if it can be applied to humans, the technology could conceivably help premature babies; here's the way the article puts it in its first three paragraphs:
Inside what look like oversized ziplock bags strewn with tubes of blood and fluid, eight fetal lambs continued to develop — much like they would have inside their mothers. Over four weeks, their lungs and brains grew, they sprouted wool, opened their eyes, wriggled around, and learned to swallow, according to a new study that takes the first step toward an artificial womb. One day, this device could help to bring premature human babies to term outside the uterus — but right now, it has only been tested on sheep.
It’s appealing to imagine a world where artificial wombs grow babies, eliminating the health risk of pregnancy. But it’s important not to get ahead of the data, says Alan Flake, fetal surgeon at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and lead author of today’s study. “It’s complete science fiction to think that you can take an embryo and get it through the early developmental process and put it on our machine without the mother being the critical element there,” he says.
Instead, the point of developing an external womb — which his team calls the Biobag — is to give infants born months too early a more natural, uterus-like environment to continue developing in, Flake says.
True enough, such a technology would be a boon for care of premature babies.
But like Mr. B., I have difficulty believing that this technology is not applicable to the earliest stages of pregnancy. And that brings me to my high octane speculation of the day...
... while such a technology might be beneficial in the care of premature babies, I strongly suspect there's another reason set of reasons entirely for the creation of this technology, and that set of reasons boils down to just two words: genetic engineering. Conceivably, such a technology could fulfill two dreams - or rather, nightmares - of the transhumanist "community," for it would be (1) a means not only to create but to gestate chimerical life forms, and (2) a means to create and gestate clones. Both purposes could be served by the perfection of this technology. In the latter case, it would be a kind of real world fulfillment of the film Island, staring Scottish actor Ewan McGregor, where human clones are literally gestated in such 'biobags" and then "birthed" surgically on a pre-determined date.
The reason? There organs are going to be harvested for their "real" counterparts, and the clone - who is not viewed as a real "person" of course - is butchered, murdered, and thrown away. The technology, in other words, raises moral and jurisprudential issues. I'm one of those that maintains that human clones are persons, unique and different from their "originals" in the same way identical twins or triplets are different unique persons, regardless of the DNA similarities.
But watch, the transhumanist-progressive crowd will consult medical "ethicists" from the University of Oxford, who will contrive sophistical arguments why this is not the case.
See you on the flip side...
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Re/ artificial womb – John Paul Jackson, now deceased, had predicted that men would in the future be able to carry a pregnancy. I always wondered how this could ever be possible. This art. womb may be the answer. With an artificial womb inserted, could it not make it possible for men to carry a child within as described in your article? Wouldn’t that add a new dimension to gay couples!!
Casandrane, if u heard of price u read francis pottenger too. By now even commoners like us r grocking how diet plays us epigenetically. Netherlands from ww2 on provided the best case study on humans published so far.
Also, a couple yrs ago i read some obscure book titled alien mind. Reads like mssrs global politics rationalized in minds of mind reading supposedly superior aliens farming us 4 whatever “advanced math” reasons justified by a religious sounding excuse of evolution. Seemed like propaganda used to confuse n quiet masses in ghettoes.
Yes I think you’re right with the two points you raised Dr. I also think that it will be put towards population control too. All it would take is an infertility #cough, sterilization# crisis and then only people rich enough to afford the baggies would be able to reproduce.
I have some training in embryology and am quite aware of the field generally.
Like all scientific disciplines there are schisms, disagreements and powerful interests.
This type of technology is an example of the broader discussion of reductionist materialism in science. We can understand everything by reducing the machine to its ingredients. Including the mind, consciousness and all its interactions.
I utterly disagree.
Embryogenisis requires extra genetic forces which are observed (See Blechschmidt) and as of yet unexplained and bear no resemblance to recognized physiological forces at all. These generative forces kick in immediately after conception and seem to require a gel state like protoplasm to work, said protoplasm has been artificially created and studied – https://www.newscientist.com/article/2123360-artificial-embryo-grown-in-a-dish-from-two-types-of-stem-cells/
But again, this is a scientific dead end.
Without the Vital forces to guide cell replication and formation we will NEVER BE WHOLE.
Yet perhaps thats what Messers Global wants, clone like sheep, worker drones with no imagination or thinking ability beyond the vegatitive.
Skip the middleman/Ziploc bag stage and just 3D print the little borgs.
This post made me feel ill ………………………
my first impression on seeing this article was that yuppie couples (ok, lets get modern, just the yuppie women) can decide to abort early and bring the foetus to term in a transparent bag showing off to all their friends ( ok lets get modern, colleagues), like those sea monkeys.
I’ve forgotten what the movie was, 80’s maybe 90’s where they were breeding chimera’s (ape/human) and the final scene (spoiler alert) had a panorama of the whole factory full of them row upon row in their artificial wombs/incubators.
nothing to see here, now move along. nothing to do, the conveyor belt will do it for you.
This post was very depressing
They may never get it all the way to conception but I can see the months being pushed back steadily from 6 to 5, 4 and 3. At that point nobody but the mother knows she is pregnant.
Seriously I can see this becoming an “third alternative” where you have right to life, right to choose and now remove fetus and bring it to term. The problem then will become what to do with all the unwanted children? Who will raise them? Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines! A military who’s members were raised since birth in the war mentality. No draft required and millions of “new and improved” soldiers. Of course they will be genetically modified for better “soldier traits”.
The destruction of humanity is revolting on the surface and downright disgusting at a deeper level hence the need to do it by means of obfuscation.
You know, I think Ninharsag just put her foot down. No more Anunnaki ‘birth women’, thank you very much! Hence, the need for artificial wombs for the next ‘tweaks’ of humanity. You go, girl!
if my read extensive reads sources are correct one can clone an entire human being in a very short period of time;
as so many have stated: the minute a new technology is publizied it’s already been there for 40/50 yrs.;
and simple “parts” of the human body can’t yet be cloned?-
so what are they doing down in the DUMBS (deep underground military bases)?-
you tell me-
Larry in Germany
Manufacturing the alien threat false flag operation hinted at by Dr. Braun? I agree the best place to work on these black advanced projects is below our feet.
Ever since the current phase of western “civilization” began in about the 1500s when the corset was first introduced, there has been a concerted effort to undermine the health of women with the result that pregnancy and childbirth for more and more women has become the nightmare described in the Mother Jones article at the “the health risk” link in the article.
There are three reasons for this:
Firstly, and this is of course a sweeping generalization, pregnancy and childbirth had been a normal physical functions no more fraught with danger or discomfort than any other physical function, because women led healthier lives. They were generally a lot more physically fit because food and clothing production used to involve actual hard work. Many kept a number of animals, all of which required tending. For example, they kept cows from which they made dairy foods such as butter. Butter was made by pounding a stick or turning a paddle in a bucket until the curds solidified – not an undertaking for the physically unfit. Most spent plenty of time outdoors and walked wherever they needed to go. Nowadays, machines do almost everything necessary for a comfortable life – badly, I might add, but we’ve come to accept that – and people undergo more training for marathons than they do for pregnancy, a far greater physical undertaking.
Which brings me to my second reason: Weston A. Price, in his survey of cultures untouched by western influence, noticed that in many cultures it was not the old chief who received the best food or who ate first, it was the young people – both male and female – who ate first and were given the most nutritious foods. Price was told by a Polynesian chief in the South Pacific that this practice was only sensible, as those members of the tribe needed to be healthy enough themselves to produce healthy children in the near future. The chief understood the importance of a healthy tribe.
Here in the western world, the tenets of healthy eating have largely been lost. The majority of adults in the west have no idea how to feed themselves, much less choose healthy food for their children. They believe a package contains something to eat if the wording on the package says “food product”. That should be a red flag, but for many it is not. The words “food” and “product” do not belong in the same phrase.
Sadly, these days even food that does not come out of a package is not as healthy as it would have been 600 years ago, before the air and the water were tainted with the heavy metals and byproducts of industry. Now the soil is tainted not only with those things, but also with decades of pesticide, herbicide, and fertilizer use.
Many people do not know these things. They mistake the feeling of a full belly for nutrition, while their bodies grow weaker with every generation.
Stop here and do not continue reading if you belong to the PC culture and consider anyone “racist” if they should happen to mention anything to do with the idea that the various races that make up the human race are different.
My third reason is this: in many cases, pregnancy and childbirth are both made much more difficult if the parents are of different races. For example, we’ve been taught to think it acceptable for someone from the tall, big-boned Nordic races to have children by someone from, say, the tiny more delicate southeast Asian races, without considering the physical cost to the woman, should she be of the latter. Differences that can easily be seen are not the only causes of physical incompatibility, though.
I believe that the various races have traversed the world and intermarried numerous times throughout the ages, to the point that most are mongrels many times over. This has led to the intermixing of genes that may or may not be compatible (the rhesus factor in human blood is one widespread example) and ultimately to the physical and mental weakening of the human race as a whole. Many young people cannot have children for a variety of medical reasons.
People in the west seem particularly beset by the problems I’ve brought up in these three points. Statistics show that the birthrate in the west has plummeted during the past several decades. However, given the push for globalization, the people in the west are likely just the test subjects.
What all this appears to be leading to is a sexless society. If no one needs to carry the unborn, one of the greatest differences between men and women will have been eliminated. No worker will need maternity or paternity leave, once this is widespread. It is one more sad step toward the kind of boring, aseptic future portrayed in various movies.
No doubt that will be an option in the future: sexless/a 21st century eunuch.
Some other options: sex pot; gigolo; and a number of other sexy options – to choose from, like an automobile’s Monroney label. Your baby’s on a highly-specialized conveyor womb belt customized-for-succe$$.
Thanks Cassandra. Lots of stuff to think about. I always thought that child birth was one of the chief human hazards and killed a high percentage of women. The one great benefit of western medicine is that it has removed some of the danger of childbirth. It might be the west’s greatest contribution to humanity. I just wonder how are heads got so big that they became an obstacle to healthy birth? Seems like a serious design flaw to me. Maybe our alien patent holders brought their human worker babies to term in biobags as well? Or, they just didn’t care about the high infant mortality rate because we were like weeds to them and we just kept coming to fill up the ranks of mine workers. (How big a brain do you really need to swing a pick?) Or, those folks who fabricated us didn’t finish the job so we are stuck with these big brains that can kill our mothers when we are born. The real conundrum for women has always been: do you pick a mate with a small head for easy child birth and risk a child with an inadequate brain as well as mate? Or do you take a chance and marry the guy with the big head and maybe increase the chances of having an offspring more fit for survival?
Vomito, your statement: ” I always thought that child birth was one of the chief human hazards and killed a high percentage of women. The one great benefit of western medicine is that it has removed some of the danger of childbirth.” is propaganda we’ve been taught to believe as the medical money-making machine justifies its existence. For instance, the Pilgrims told many stories of women from the tribes who lived in America before they arrived simply going off for an hour or two to deliver their babies alone in the forest. In Europe, midwives delivered babies for centuries until the practice was outlawed by men who thought they knew more about the process and wanted to make money off it.
I’m not saying it’s always a simple undertaking, but I am saying that for a successful pregnancy and birth not fraught with trauma, the parents’ – and especially the mother’s – health is the determining factor. So-called “civilization”, with its wars and pillaging of the fruits of the average person’s labors which results in poverty, its removal of physical labor and effort from many women’s lives, and its destruction of our physical, mental, and emotional environment, has made something natural and normal into something to be feared.
Ah sorry I keep reporting comments when I mean to hit reply. Mean’t say yes, totally agree with what you say. The Royal College of Physicians were responsible for usurping the role of women in midwifery and passing it over to more ‘knowledgeable’ doctors: enter clinical iatrogenesis.
I notice that you often confess to mistakenly reporting comments, Katie.
Yes I’m quite fast on the keyboard – I tend to filter out alot so I can work quickly and end up filtering out too much! Must slow down!
I too heard the stories about women being able to give birth alone. Some say that our hips have narrowed because of our malnourished bodies, and I also think you are right about the mixing of races, where some intermarriages would be physiologically incompatible.
But I also think that there may have been some alterations made that might also be attributable, in particular, when an angry Yahweh tells Eve that she will have painful childbirths. Or, if Adam and Eve lived somewhere else and were banished to Earth, perhaps living on Earth has made our childbirth painful. Or, maybe the Tree of Knowledge has something to do with MtDNA and accessing it was illegal by Yahweh’s standards.
I don’t think we can ever go back to painless childbirths. Shorter ones yes, but not painless. That said, I would never choose anything artificial as a means to conceive, gestate, and birth a baby. But next time around I would definitely choose a painkiller 🙂
I’ve been having this recurring memory for some time now where I recall being born in water, in a marshy area not far from shore. Once I exit, I immediately swim on my own to the surface and grab hold of my mother’s long blond hair and she swims away quickly from the shore with me in tow as we are pelted with rocks. I look over my shoulder and I see a bunch of unkempt dark people in rags hurling the rocks and screaming with vicious looks on their faces. My mother swims very fast and we make it out to the deep sea where I greet my father who is holding a trident and riding on a porpoise. My mother grabs hold of the porpoise’s tail fin and we are pulled out to our Island shelter which is guarded by other men and women riding on porpoises and holding tridents. My mother takes me ashore. Rising above us is giant steel statue of a woman holding a torch. We enter and climb the stairs to the top where I am initiated into the harbor tribe by our pod priest. He raises me high in the air and I can see the burned out structures on the opposing shore… including the Freedom Tower and the Chrysler building.
Humans-R-Us 3D print factories will spring-up like dandelions in the wind. Why the creative possibilities in the slave models alone are countless. The software markets for these 3D varieties will be a legalese will become on & off. The software companies saying they technically own the slave type; while the 3D owner will claim implied ownership with the specialized licensing fee. Then the #D will say, in the fine microscopic print is a time limit, which must be recertified for a fee, which was not paid.
But think of all the chimers[except those that had to become terminate[and that cost, let alone the number of licenses required[depending on which state or country]. Then there’s the lucrative euphemism market which specializes in legal terminations @ any time.
Monsanto is already drooling….
Shades of the clone soldiers of Star Wars fame. Though this could have a good side for space colonies journeying to other star system. This technology has been use as a meme in many science fiction stories and this goes back to at least the seventies of the last century where Italian scientist were playing around with these until the Catholic Church step in and put a end these experiments.
This goes back about that time too.
Unfortunately, by 1898 the seeds were sown into another type of deadly artificial womb.
I’m of the conspiratorial mindset that if this technology is now common knowledge, then it’s probably already in use on a larger scale.
Maybe Matt Damon was really growing human bag babies on Mars, not potatoes.
Yeah for food and some R&R
I think the biobag will be a huge step in the direction of gender equality. Now men can experience the burden of carrying around a sack of fetal tissue for nine months. It would seem only fair that men should share this encumbrance and I would go so far as saying it should be legislated. Fortunately a lot of men have been mentally conditioned for this new role and I don’t think there would be too much resistance. I’m sure most caucasian European and Californian men would be happy to lift this burden immediately from their female counterparts and relieve them of this affliction.
Women have been tied down by this obligation since the dawn of our species and it is due time the roles are reversed for a change and women can be given the luxury of smoking and drinking with abandon while them men have to walk around with a hunched back and experience the feeling of vulnerability and defenselessness. I think many modern men would like this role as people give up their seats to them on buses and trains. It would also be a good way to get out of combat. I’m sure there would be some abuses as some devious men will use it to collect welfare or get child support from the baby’s mother. I’m not sure if this will make lazy men even lazier or force them to become less lazy as they have to carry around the baby. It would make for a good billion dollar government study. I wonder if male pregnancy would even start changing their brains and making them like old-fashioned women? Would women’s brains become more like old fashioned men now that they can do anything they want to their body and don’t have to worry about getting punched in the stomach?
There would still be those women who will resent that pregnant men don’t have to go through the physical deterioration to their appearance that child birth engenders or actually have to push a baby through the birth canal. I think this could be addressed as well. Maybe biobag men could also swallow ten pounds of ball bearings that expanded over time to such a size that they would cause the hips to broaden? Maybe these ball bearings could release a laxative after nine months? Or, how about good old fashioned nanobots that will transform the inside of a man’s body to that of a woman’s? If all men became women and all women remained women, the feminist utopia will be achieved… until there are car wrecks on every street corner and nobody on the planet can fix anything. How quickly this utopia would turn into a dystopia.
Leave it to Vomito to notice that biobag benefits include women forever freed from the worry of being punched in the stomach. Instead of figuring out how to make ball bearings expand inside men, how about we figure out a way for men to gestate watermelon. Wouldn’t that be easier?
Oops reported this comment again. By accident. Sorry. Or it could be viewed another way – there is no need for women now. As in JPF’s transhumanism book we may as well just do away with both sexes now and make way for androgyny.
Here is a human that would like a biobag for species propagation:
Ha ha ha! He says he would rather be understood than adored or admired. This poor lost soul doesn’t understand that if I could only understand…… him, I would adore and admire…..uhhhh……him. Herm. Hermph.
Clone wars are around the corner – as least in the minds of some. But the pushback from human consciousness is already here (today while still being terminally skeptical I am on the SLIGHTLY optimistic side)
Chris Rock has a pretty good routine about how we refuse to relegate ourselves to an inferior status once we have experienced the next-higher ladder rung. When you get a car, you will not EVER go back to riding the bus; when a girl gets her first gold ring, she’ll NEVER again be satisfied with electroplate, etc.
Once we’ve enjoyed the comforts of a real, moist, warm, soft, ergonomically designed womb, how could human consciousness ever be satisfied with incarnating into a goop-filled sandwich baggie?
Nooo! By the gods, no!
You are one twisted mofo. I like you already 🙂
LOL .. love it …