Just when you thought the aspirations and plans of modern science couldn't possibly become more diabolical (or, if one prefer, sacrilegious), an article comes along to renew your hope that the world continues on its path of normalcy, and that many scientists are, indeed, just as wild-eyed-nuts as you always thought them to be. And this week, apparently many people were relieved and reassured that the mad scientist is not a thing of the past or a species that died out, but a real, living creature deserving of our awe and respect. Ms. M.W. and many others found this, and shared it, doubtless because they were concerned that I was losing hope that there were no more mad scientists:

Could we soon REVERSE death? US company to start trials 'reawakening the dead' in Latin America 'in a few months' - and this is how they'll do it

Way back when I first started writing about these strange topics in The Giza Death Star, I made the observation that physical immortality might not be such a good thing, without a commensurate and corresponding improvement in human spirituality and morality. In this, I took my cue from an ancient Greek Church Father named St. John Chrysostom, who warned about the same thing, and who stated that it was death, in fact, that formed the crucial condition for the possibility of human repentance and a change of mind, for it cut off further progress in evil. Taking this as my cue, in the final pages of that book, I asked people to imagine if such immortality were possible, or even a dramatically extended life span were possible - both of which are now being openly discussed and touted in serious and not-so-serious literature - what it might mean for the resulting civilization? One thing that would result, I pointed out, was a vastly expanded and accelerated scientific and technological development. One individual would, in such a condition, be able to learn and to master several academic disciplines, not just one.The explosion of technology and science would dwarf anything we have seen thus far. But the other consequence would be for moral progress. Imagine, I said back then, an Albert Schweitzer having not a century, but centuries or even millennia to do good things, or, conversely, a Mao Tse-Tung, a Josif Stalin, a Pol Pot or an Adolf Hitler, having that long to "perfect their progress in evil," and one gets a clear picture of the sharp moral contradictions such a society would be in. And please note: this problem is not a problem that, to my knowledge, is receiving anything close to the attention it needs in the transhumanism-virtual immortality community. The sole focus is on the science; if we can do it, we should do it.

Now we have this:

Bioquark, a Philadelphia-based company, announced in late 2016 that they believe brain death is not 'irreversible'.

And now, CEO Ira Pastor has revealed they will soon be testing an unprecedented stem cell method on patients in an unidentified country in Latin America, confirming the details in the next few months.

To be declared officially dead in the majority of countries, you have to experience complete and irreversible loss of brain function, or 'brain death'.

According to Pastor, Bioquark has developed a series of injections that can reboot the brain - and they plan to try it out on humans this year.

They have no plans to test on animals first.


The first stage, named 'First In Human Neuro-Regeneration & Neuro-Reanimation' was slated to be a non-randomized, single group 'proof of concept' study.

The team said they planned to examine individuals aged 15-65 declared brain dead from a traumatic brain injury using MRI scans, in order to look for possible signs of brain death reversal.

Specifically, they planned to break it down into three stages.

First, they would harvest stem cells from the patient's own blood, and inject this back into their body.

Next, the patient would receive a dose of peptides injected into their spinal cord.

Finally, they would undergo a 15-day course of nerve stimulation involving lasers and median nerve stimulation to try and bring about the reversal of brain death, whilst monitoring the patients using MRI scans.

Light, chemistry, and stem cells and DNA. If one didn't know any better, one would swear one was looking at the broad chronological progression of Genesis 1.

But I digress.

The problem here is, one notices, the almost complete avoidance of the moral question. Let's assume the technology works and that one can, literally, resurrect the dead scientifically. And let us assume the project reaches the stage of perfection envisioned by the Russian Cosmists, like Nikolai Fedorov. The cosmists, recall, want to extend the resurrection-by-science principle to the entire history of one's ancestors. But should this occur, then what about resurrecting people like Stalin, Mao, or Hitler? The sad truth is, some people still "revere" those twisted and murderous people as heroes. The sad truth is, some people would attempt to do it, if given the means to do so.

But there's an even bigger problem. The entire project is predicated on the materialist assumption that "brain function equals the person." Regular readers here know that I have never subscribed to such a view, nor have I subscribed to the view, conversely, that there is no relationship between a person's "personhood" and the functions of their soul, which would include, of course, the functions of their will, intellect, emotions, and brain. It is, I suspect, a very complex phenomenon not neatly divided into tidy Cartesian dualisms, with numerous feedback loops between the two. This said, however, the problem arises then that the brain is not the creator of individuality, but rather, its transducer (and, if I may employ a more ancient version of the term, its traducer). Thus, the possibility arises that one might "revive" a brain, and traduce or transduce a different individual than one "recalls" being present prior to brain death. Already some psychologists have written - and published - papers suggesting that certain mental disorders such as bipolarity and schizophrenia might not be disorders in any standard sense, but rather a phenomenon where an individual is inhabiting two very different and parallel universes at the same time. In this they draw upon the many worlds hypotheses of qauntum mechanics.

In short, for my money, I have no doubt that ultimately, some sort of "scientific" resurrection technique might be possible. But I suspect it will be a Pandora's box of spiritual phenomena which, once opened, will be difficult if not impossible to close again, and that before we open it, we should give lengthy, and due consideration to all the moral problems it will engender.

See you on the flip side...

Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Robert Barricklow on June 16, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    The Greek God of healing and medicine: Asclepius –
    healed a divine snake, which gave him secret knowledge. He brought people back to life. Zeus killed him for meddling in the underworld.
    What a shame.

  2. basta on June 15, 2017 at 5:39 am

    Once they’ve perfected getting toothpaste back into the tube then I think they can go to the next step and try this out on their loved ones and let us know how they’re getting on after a few relatives.

  3. Vornigold on June 15, 2017 at 3:00 am

    This tech is like restoring a classic car. They forget about the driver, though. I wonder about the fraction of spirit that will eventually inhabit these vehicles. They’d have to be trained up from a newborn, I bet. Won’t be the same person as before. When scientists catch on, they will turn this tech into necrotic biological ‘androids’ heheh. Recycle those fallen soldiers a couple times as drone fodder. A weird new world.

    Thing is, I doubt spirit can ever be pulled into our sciences. Nothing to measure. It will always be the neuroscience equivalent to ‘dark matter’. Always having to move our scientific theory furniture around the big, spirit-shaped object in the room.

  4. Yiannis Katospiti on June 14, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    Blood over intent, Star Trek the TV series has this episode which is interesting take on this and souls or spirit consenting to go or stay. .

    Dr. Shmeul Asher’s book, Soul Revolution , describes this and his take is that the Archons, (pick a name) and something with the Moon, act in concert to recycle your soul back to earth if you consent. You will live forever in your light body state if you do not consent or are not tricked by the Archonic parasites recycling souls with their false narratives which they have been embedding, coding for millennia. Harvesting loosh . We consented long ago and continue to consent. What a knot.

    • Yiannis Katospiti on June 14, 2017 at 10:43 pm

      This podcast of Dr. Shmeul Asher discussing his “false heaven matrix”.
      Souls are recycled if they consent and return memories wiped and popped back into same general area geographically from their birth. If we do not consent we are in the astral or infinite light body realms sens the meat suit and false narratives of the parasitic harvesting archons.

  5. goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 1:21 am

    I am going to step-outside of the purely physical in what follows. Hard-core materialists, please pass-on to the next comment…

    In part of my spiritual training, I learned to ‘see’ the soul. It is located (for most folks) in the middle of the back in the heart area. (It is not the heart chakra. The soul is ‘higher’ than that.) It’s ‘shape’ is somewhat-like a stretched-out football (American-style). For most people, it is ’embedded’ 2-4 inches into the body, with the remainder stringing-out behind.

    The soul is basically a combination of a ‘bridge’ between lower-physical & higher-physical (it is still in SpaceTime) and a ‘storage chamber’ of individual life experiences (I have seen them in-place there. Impressive…). It is not the Higher Self or ‘Holy Spirit’, which extends beyond SpaceTime.

    (Not all species have souls, as they do not need them. However, those species tend not to ‘advance’ rapidly in experience, as they do not have their memories ‘wiped’ of old, painful happenings and tend to put-off further of same.)

    The above is pertinent to this column in that the soul detaches from the body at physical death. (Evidently, it does not after brief Near Death Experiences.) If the brain/body is revived after some time, I am not sure whether THAT soul returns. There are stories of “walk-ins” where one person’s soul is voluntarily replaced by another person’s soul, so that a version of that scenario may apply here.

    The ‘hidden’ PTB know about souls. They are also pushing/funding much of the above-noted research on reviving brains/bodies. I can think of many scenarios where a soul-free body might be useful…

    • anakephalaiosis on June 14, 2017 at 5:24 am

      Sectarians are slaves. Whereas fiery tongues, walking clouds of waterfalls, drive out demons and devils. Exorcism is great fun.

    • metaOne on June 14, 2017 at 6:40 am

      higher self/holy spirit = personal archonic/demiurge representative – i ate mine last year…no i am not kidding…its a doozie of a story but suffice it to say travel through the soul/cord (silver cord some call that/this) until you reach “an end” and then have fun…we all can’t be purple people eaters i suppose 🙂

    • Cynthia Cox on June 16, 2017 at 8:32 am

      Goshawks, you’ve added confirmation to why m y Hawaiian Kahu says, “Never allow anyone to touch your spine!” Thanks for this strong visualization.

      • goshawks on June 17, 2017 at 5:25 pm

        Cynthia, good point. There is sooo much going-on around the spinal area – from up/down energy currents to chakras to where the soul is ’embedded’ in most folks – that due caution is warranted. (Healers also work along the spine, so I would not say ‘anyone’… *grin*)

  6. SoCal G on June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    I have to wonder where exactly they are obtaining all these “candidates” from and which “unnamed South American country” is sponsoring this madness. Of course when connect “madness” and “South America” together I of course arrive at, Argentina.

  7. Robert Barricklow on June 13, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    Children should not be playing w/genetic fire.

  8. Robert Barricklow on June 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Just as Corporations are real people
    Now dead people[resurrected] are real people.
    Expect a citizens united & resurrected Supreme Court decision somewhere in the future.
    If not?
    Then expect a Resurrected Supreme Court to decide instead.

  9. Pellevoisin on June 13, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    This procedure would not revive the previous person abiding within the body. The procedure would, however, revivify a body as a fine vehicle for a discarnate entity to occupy.

    • Jeannie on June 13, 2017 at 10:05 pm

      Exactly what I was thinking. “I, Frankenstein” 2014, anyone?

  10. anakephalaiosis on June 13, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    Mr. Dale Cooper, hot-wired in the lodge, and resurrected in a power plug, seems to have memory loss and karmic crave for coffee in “Spin Speaks”.

    “Guardians of threshold” are often spoken of as dragons in myth. They are known as purgatory, the cleansing fire. To burn in hell is great feat, eye to eye with oneself.

    Everything is burning, something burns fast, something burns slow.

    • Sandygirl on June 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

      Guardian’s of The Threshold are also said to be there during meditation. They won’t allow anyone to pass to higher realms until you are ready.

      • anakephalaiosis on June 14, 2017 at 5:20 am

        Siegfried does not ask permission. He slays dragons and baths in their blood. Conquering is victorious. Glory of God is iron will.

  11. Jon on June 13, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t think the longer lifespans would necessarily increase the development of science and technology. In the academic world (particularly the “hard” sciences), most have topped out on contributions by the late 30s or early 40s, and very few contribute anything of importance after that. More time to study and create doesn’t seem to operate most of the time now, and I would wager that adding hundreds of years on top of that would not be of much benefit, except in the case of a Tesla, Whittaker, Rife, or Priore.

    We already have huge amounts of technology withheld from us, and creating a super elite like this would only make those matters worse. The “idle rich” who have tons of time and money don’t seem to contribute anything useful to society (mostly they just cause problems), and they will be the ones most likely to benefit from any life extension technology.

    I don’t think we need a world with 1000 year old Kim Kardashians and George Soros.

    I agree that they are opening a can of worms that will have startling and likely sinister consequences.

    The only good thing that can come of it is disproving the materialist view of life, which those people will likely never admit to anyway.

    Just another really bad idea from deluded minds running wild.

  12. Freefall on June 13, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    This grizzly issue falls very closely to my question to Joseph in the previous vid chat .. Being neither dead nor alive ..
    Schrodingers cat and the quantum wave form collapse .. and if declared deceased .. how then is this wave form restored .. ????

  13. RAJM on June 13, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    Doctors are already freezing patients into suspended animation to perform brain aneurysm surgery. No vital signs allow for surgery that would otherwise kill.

    John Elefteriades, the cardiac surgeon behind the operations, has found that patients who have undergone this type of surgery suffer no long term impairment to their brain function.: “The body is essentially in real life suspended animation with no pulse, no blood pressure, no electrical waves in the brain. We didn’t find any evidence of functional impairment after the surgery.”

  14. marcos toledo on June 13, 2017 at 10:37 am

    It is interesting that the people who want their lives extended indefinitely are the ones who wish to terminate the lives of others on a industrial scale. It’s also interesting that one of the scientist involve bares the surname Pastor ay the irony a shepherd the sheep to their slaughter.

  15. enki-nike on June 13, 2017 at 10:26 am

    Is the legal department ready? Do I need to have a “no resurrection” clause in my will?

  16. Vomito Blanco on June 13, 2017 at 10:20 am

    A future world populated with mostly autistics, transgenders, cyborgs, and re-animates? Count me out. Driving the courtesy bus for a large retail merchandise store whose name will go unmentioned for fear of getting moderated, I got enough of the current human freak show with all these homo sapien/gmo corn chimeras . And these future citizens will probably all vote democrat and wear very tight yoga pants when they go shopping also.

    I plan to drink so much diet soda between now and when I die that my brain will be so corroded it will be incapable of taking an electrical charge when I’m dead. Then I’ll have my ashes donated to a local mushroom farm as compost where every trace of my genetic material can be devoured by fungus and kept out of the hands of cosmists. If I’m lucky, my DNA will wind up in a mushroom spore traveling through space. One day maybe I will take up residence on another planet as a former human encased in an edible mushroom and I can then teach those who eat me what Earth mushrooms once taught to me. I will also tell the brave mushroom eaters all about Earth and our giant machines like the Giza pyramid and the Hadron collidor and the artificial intelligence taking over my former planet and turning the inhabitants into mutants.

    • Vomito Blanco on June 13, 2017 at 10:21 am

      I wonder if Hillary got re-animated during the last election?

  17. WalkingDead on June 13, 2017 at 10:14 am

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
    Methinks the high priests of the “Synagogue of Satan” have possibly found a way to “insure” demonic possession and would use this as a means to “transduce” those they worship into the bodies of unwilling victims.
    There are those who willingly allow this, if what one reads about certain Hollywood “Stars” is true, then this is already occurring with willing participants and one could place a sure bet that these same “high priests” are also inflicted with this same issue.
    The spirits of the progeny of the “Fallen Angels” were doomed to roam the earth until the time of judgement and would, no doubt, desire to once again inhabit a living body to once again experience the “pleasures of the flesh”. It may be that this is how those “ancient gods” will affect their “return”. “As in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Lord.” may have several meanings other than “wickedness has multiplied greatly on the face of the Earth”.
    I grant that this will not be a very popular view of what may be occurring, but it is ancient wisdom from one of the most revered ancient texts.

    • OrigensChild on June 13, 2017 at 12:59 pm

      You said, “Methinks the high priests of the “Synagogue of Satan” have possibly found a way to “insure” demonic possession and would use this as a means to “transduce” those they worship into the bodies of unwilling victims.” A version of this is the backdrop for the story of “I, Frankenstein”. It’s a sad, sad movie in many ways and could use a serious revision, but the premise is compelling if one discarded the obvious graphic novel iconography. The movie leaves open the possibility that when resuscitation of a dead corpse into a viable human being does occur, GOD is actively involved and makes a decision with respect to the person’s worth. It also has as its backdrop the ancient cosmic war between Heaven and Earth with the Frankenstein character as its focus. Someone in Hollywood is preparing us for these things–and that is remarkable no matter how you explain it.

      • Jeannie on June 13, 2017 at 10:24 pm

        Oops! I hadn’t read through all of the comments when I posted above. You beat me to the “I, Frankenstein” punch; and much more comprehensively, I might add, 😉

        • OrigensChild on June 14, 2017 at 8:00 am

          Thank you, Jeannie.

  18. Curt on June 13, 2017 at 9:51 am

    Bringing back the dead…. Whenever the theme arises, (and it does so often these days, between zombies, vampires, mummies, and even the recent ghoulish candidacy for president of Hillary Rodham Clinton) I’m put in mind of Stephen King’s Pet Cemetery. I know it’s ‘only’ fiction; but in that book King seems to have uncovered a primary truth regarding the danger(s) of re-animating the dead; namely: ‘that what comes back, is never the same…’ In King’s book, when they do come back, there’s just no ‘there there’; or more precisely, what is ‘there’ is an evil, murderous void where the person’s soul used to be. I sure hope these Billionaire nutcases and the Asperger-Army of dark tech-nerds who support them can borrow a clue (from someone who has one) before we’re all up to our necks in real-life zombies.

  19. Sandygirl on June 13, 2017 at 8:57 am

    When you read about near death experience people have had, most of them describe leaving their body, and experience a wonderful peace and enormous love. Many said they didn’t want to return back into their body. It could very well be that the psychopath types don’t have the same glorious experience so would rather continue to live life on the earthly plane.

    • goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 3:12 am

      Sandygirl, I have an explanation for that:

      When we die, the ‘veils’ gradually dissolve. We gradually get a clear sight/sound/sense/feel of everything that happened in our lifetime – both to us and to others we have affected. (I wrote about that a while back on Joseph McMoneagle’s NDE.) A few of us have been fortunate-enough to have only good things happen, so the opening/merging is great. Most of us have some ‘greyscale’ of good/bad, so we have a period of ‘ouchy’ known in the religious literature as Purgatory. Bad for a time, but endurable – and Great after that.

      A minority, in effect, ‘bounce’: They have been sooo bad that they Know their opening/merging upon death will be terrible. (Maybe from dreams, or maybe by ‘touching’ the Other Side in various ways.) They they will do Anything not to die and experience what their affect has been. Hence, they are ‘trapped’ down here by their own doings. And hence, the scramble for technological life-extension.

      In one way, I pity them…

      • Sandygirl on June 14, 2017 at 7:11 am

        Goshawks, thinking of the Buddhist monks and the enormous amount of time devoted to meditation – their transition to the next realm would feel like coming home again with less baggage.

        • goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 3:58 pm

          True. Some may even be 90% already ‘in’ the next realm, with their toe still in the present realm. Hence, all the ‘phenomena’ they can accomplish…

  20. Kahlypso on June 13, 2017 at 7:20 am

    Ea said very specifically that we were to have 120 years of life and we were denied the food and drink of life when Adapa refused to accept Anu’s offerings..
    Gilgamesh found the secret for eternal life, but had it stolen by a snake whilst sleeping..
    The Abrahamic tales tell of Yahweh throwing Adam and Eve from the Garden because they ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge… before they could get their hands on the tree of life..
    Humans keep reaching for Eternal Life, but never seem to be able to get it..
    Are we talking about.. Drinking young blood? Injecting Silver Isotopes.. or bending time around a new technology and literally peeling the years away…

    I think that the essential question is, as Dr Farrel puts it.. Should we live for more than 120 years. I dont beleive that the human psyche is prepared for immortality.

    • Kahlypso on June 13, 2017 at 7:24 am

      One thing that is scary to contemplate (and major HOS here…) consider if you will the good old military industrio complex modele.. If they’re talking about it in the Media NOW.. then they perfected the technique 20 years ago.
      Now.. If some old mega rich guy decided to get rejuvenated and comes out looking like a 20 year old.. How do thye hide that technology?? By having the old man ‘die’ and some new ‘persona’ appear from no-where.. they have enough social secrity numbers lying around..
      .. … (be still my beating heart… There arent any newcomer’s breaking through the ranks in the Rockefeller family??? Please assure me that he’s dead…..=)

      • enki-nike on June 13, 2017 at 10:41 am

        that’s a good case to be made for public display and cremation of a corpse.

        • OrigensChild on June 13, 2017 at 1:02 pm

          By the same token one wonders if some Scandinavian and Native American peoples, who practiced cremation, actually continued a legacy from early antiquity which required cremation to prevent technological abuse/misuse/terror.

      • Joseph P. Farrell on June 13, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        That’s disturbing, Kahlypso… As I put nothing past those people, you may be on to something.

    • Cate on June 13, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      When I read Dr. Ian Stevenson’s reincarnation data taken from children and their parents in places like India and Lebanon where reincarnation is taken as a given, I started taking eternal life as a serious premise. This from book found in an op-shop for a dollar, called ‘Old Souls’.
      Very odd book. Very interesting.
      Take the junk passing for food, water and air these days, it’s purposely packed with heavy metals- proved to help bring on Alzheimer’s, brain fog, dementia et al.. How could we remember states of good or evil and improve on them from one life to the next if we can’t even recognise our own face in the mirror at 60yrs? Half our once-expected lifespan?
      But I guess it could still be considered ‘eternal life’.

      • Vornigold on June 15, 2017 at 3:08 am

        oops, hit report on this handheld device. Mods, please remove my error!

        Cate, I wouldn’t fret about it. That amnesia is by design, GRAAAAAAND design. The big version of you(we) designed it. Gotta have a clean slate on the next round of experience/expression in the carnival of horrors and delights!

      • Vornigold on June 15, 2017 at 3:30 am

        Don’t forget the wealth of case studies outside of Dr. Ian Stevenson. I never forget Dr. Peter Ramster. There is even a TV show (whose packaging of this topic I disagree with) called “Ghost Inside My Child”. The first 15 minutes of every episode is awesome. The kids are interviewed about their memories and the family usually lays out their research based on the memories trying to track down the former skin suit. The rest of the episode you could skip. It’s always cowardly parents telling them to forget and move on. Stupid advice, really. The anomaly of remembering is required for the next round of experience/expression in their case. Have fun!

    • goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 1:49 am

      Kahlypso: ” I don’t believe that the human psyche is prepared for immortality.”

      A very interesting study on that ‘process’ was in the TV series “The Highlander.” The initial year or two of the series involved just violence and head-chopping-offs. After that, the series evolved into a very philosophy-oriented arena around “What do I do if I cannot die?” Some immortals decided humans were insignificant, and went ‘negative’. Some immortals decided humans were indeed significant, and went ‘positive’. I remember “Methos”, who had lived for several thousand years…

      There is also the Bill Murray character in “Groundhog Day.” If you replace ‘days’ with ‘lifetimes’, you get a good feel how a human psyche would evolve into an ‘immortal’ point of view.

      In the Chinese literature, there are ‘myths’ of humans who evolved into Immortals. (They are supposedly still Here, just staying out of the ‘madding crowd’.) I am going to take it that WE will eventually ‘earn’ that status…

      • Eve Leung on June 14, 2017 at 10:02 pm

        @goshawks: 練仙? (Immortality Training) ROFL my kids are doing it daily! This is a joke lol

        Yeah, we do have that kind of legend, one can’t train at the sea level, he/she has to go up to the highest and most spiritual mountain, I emphasize it again – MOUNTAIN! One also has to cut down the mortal food intake slowly until he/she no longer require mortal substance etc., larger through meditation, and 仙丹 (NOT the flower! It is a form of Alchemy in a ball shape pill) intake. Ancient Emperor ate a lot of 仙丹 and die of Mercury poison, so be careful what you are wish for.

        This is why we Chinese use that to teasing people who are picky on food, specially children.

    • Eve Leung on June 14, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      If there is every cycle of dead and reborn, why do human want to be so suborn wanting to “live forever” in their jacket/container? I have my own near dead experience when I was a 6 months old baby, after came back, I was in a “walking” state for a long while, I still remember seeing the top of my mother’s head while I was “hanging” above the bed, I don’t care what other people’s opinion about life and dead, to me – “life” after dead is real, and we can get out of our body (still function) if we really want to.

      Here is a traditional Chinese belief system – all Chinese will go to hell after their death (ROFL, it is true, ask any non Christian Chinese, but before Buddhism, we used to believe all our spirit will go to a mountain waiting for reincarnation, I emphasize it again – MOUNTAIN ), was it before cross the bridge of hell or after? Yellow Granny will offer a cup of tea, by drinking the tea, we will forgot our previous life and waiting to be reincarnated back to another human body, Here is a question – do we really have to repeat that cycle of reincarnation again and again? I can’t speak for everyone else, to me if I don’t want to, no one can make me! Besides, dead only means our body is no longer function, at least in my own point of view, also our human body so trouble some to maintain, other than those wonderful human emotion and the lovely view we see through our eyes, we have to tolerate so many comfortableness and inconvenience, don’t get me started! LOL So my question again – Why do we want to continue to live inside our “jacket/container” forever?

      • Eve Leung on June 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

        Ops Wrong word – comfortableness should be unconformable

      • Vornigold on June 15, 2017 at 3:39 am

        Dang it, I accidentally hit ‘report’ again. Mods, please ignore my error.

        If this is a serious question, then the answer could be that…

        … service-to-self adherants find it attractive to live forever in the current, selfish personae they have built. They want to absorb more and radiate less. They want to take the control away from the thing that set all things into motion. Little do they know that nothing acts outside the will of source. They only enrich their current experience and ours with their silliness.

        The opposite perspective is service-to-others. We are unafraid and look forward to the new skin suits heheh. We may decide to go service-to-self next time around. Who the hell knows?

      • Sandygirl on June 15, 2017 at 9:28 am

        Eve, I agree that meditation is alchemy where we can change ourselves (get rid of ego) and see different spiritual dimensions we can’t see in our normal waking state of mind. Why people are afraid of dying is mostly because of religions propaganda taught to us as children. ‘”Do you believe Jesus died for your sins and Are You Saved” scares and confuse the people because they’re not sure. I see them now pushing a new religion called ‘healthy lifestyle’ yet Life leads to death. They never come up with any cures, only new medicines, they ignore GMO food we eat and the pollution we breathe.

      • goshawks on June 15, 2017 at 5:33 pm

        Eve, thanks for your personal experiences! I can vouch for out-of-body experiences:

        Long ago, I was in bed after a terrible argument with my ladyfriend. Some part of me said, “I don’t Want to be here; I don’t Have to be here!” With that, my personal-point-of-view ‘shifted’ from looking out of my eyes to ‘looking’ out of my chest area. Then, the walls & window started to ‘go down’. I was rising out of my body! I got a few feet up before I intellectually realized what was happening. The excitement & distraction of that realization broke my angry/determined state, and I plopped back into my body. Wow!

        I still remember that event like it was yesterday. It was my first real, ‘experiential’ proof that we are more than meat…

  21. LGL on June 13, 2017 at 7:08 am

    Two things come to mind.
    First there is the “Legion” problem, which the good Dr. JPF has articulated.

    And he asked him, What is your name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

    The second thing which immediately leapt to my mind is what could be termed the “I’m getting a younger body option” for the rockerfailures of this world.
    An avenue of development would probably eventually be one where a twenty-something’s body is prepared with stem cells harvested from the “customer’s” organs, brain, endocrine nervous systems to seed the target body . The protocol would also entail an intensive course in soul projection whereby the customer would project “itself” into the body of the twenty-something , take possession and inhabit it. The protocol would provide for acclimatization and a training regimen at the conclusion of which the old body would be permanently vacated.
    No more parabiosis.
    No more organ transplants.
    Of course , they would have to iron out potential bugs such as those where the customer find itself competing with other “Legions”.
    The question is, what warranty and money back guaranty could be attached to that product space ? How would an underwriter calculate a premium ?
    One wonders whether Bioquark’s business plan has already addressed those issues ….

    • Jeannie on June 13, 2017 at 10:38 pm

      Self/less 2015

    • goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 3:51 am

      LGL: “…the ‘I’m getting a younger body option’…”

      A few decades back, I was snapped out of sleep by a ‘wind’ trying to push me out of my body. (It was not a ‘sleep paralysis’ episode.) Something energetically-strong wanted me out. It was so strong that I had no response, and was just huddling-up in my innermost core. But, I held out. After a time, Someone/Something knew I wasn’t going to be pushed-out. So, the ‘wind’ lessened and went away.

      Even today, I wonder what would have happened if I hadn’t been strong/stubborn enough…

    • metaOne on June 14, 2017 at 6:47 am

      the movie GET OUT comes to mind he he he i think i just pun’d that…

  22. Eve Leung on June 13, 2017 at 6:56 am

    The entire project is predicated on the materialist assumption that “brain function equals the person.”

    I was born and grow up in the East, many ghost related folklore and superstitious tradition is part of our culture, one of the most common ghost story is that the ghost capable of borrow suitable freshly dead body, continue his/her unfinished business in the world of living. We also have some kind of traditional practice call 神打, google gives translation – Playing god, another website gives translation – the spiritual boxer.

    The person who practice this (標童) will go into a trance like state, the so call god/goddess will be invited to occupied this person’s (標童) body temporary, and the believers/ followers/devotees/worshipers will treat this trance like state person as the god/goddess, offering their devotion or gifts, asking for guidance etc. And 標童 also preform those mumble jumble stuff, some is real, some is fake.

    If my memories serves me right, in one of Dr. Michael Heiser presentation on YouTube, he talked about angels from the old testament which it is not the way we think they are, specially their appearance , there is a section about two angels was fighting over a human body, can’t find that particular presentation on YouTube.

    Besides, all of us can train to have out of body experience or the so call astral plane travel, remote viewing etc.

    Add all together just so hard for me to accept the statement – “brain function equals the person.” is 100% truth.

    • goshawks on June 14, 2017 at 3:55 am

      I once met a ‘fey’-acting young lady who was the living-half of a twin pair. The other had died in childbirth or very young. The interesting thing was that – as she walked away – there were TWO sets of chakras running close-together up her spine…

      • Eve Leung on June 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm

        See!!! People with your ability we Chinese often call Ying and Yang eyes (yes the same meaning of the Ying and Yang sign) meaning people like you can see through the “living” and the “non living” (physical or non physical if you will) dimension! =)

  23. DanaThomas on June 13, 2017 at 5:55 am

    Let it hereby be publicly known that the undersigned does NOT want to be subjected to the procedure described above!

    • Neru on June 13, 2017 at 6:56 am

      Second that. It’s like one has no worries enough when alive, one should be very worried dead!!

      • Phil the Thrill on June 13, 2017 at 7:47 am

        Thirded. It does raise the question, how does one secure the permission of the brain-dead, to revive them?

        • DanaThomas on June 13, 2017 at 10:52 am

          No permission needed for gruesome experiments if you are part of the Underclass…

        • OrigensChild on June 13, 2017 at 1:10 pm

          You don’t have a choice. They will inevitably assume you abandoned your body. Because it was abandoned “deciders” can now reuse/recycle/reanimate/re-instantiate a corpse for their use. Welcome to the new form of technological slavery. But what if they actually get the slaves they deserve? (The kind who define terror in the sharpest spiritual terms. I mean, like Malachi Martin’s Hostage to the Devil on steriods!)

          • Joseph P. Farrell on June 13, 2017 at 3:00 pm

            Interesting LEGAL point, Origen’s Child.

          • Waterbug on June 14, 2017 at 5:41 am

            Spot on – OrigensChild: “You don’t have a choice. They will inevitably assume you abandoned your body. Because it was abandoned “deciders” can now reuse/recycle….”

            Today, we now have a choice to correct our political status. It has taken more than 40 years to gather documented proof of the fraud worldwide and exposed the parasites in 2008 with a remedy now at hand. It starts by obtaining a “Certified Copy of your Certificate of Live Birth”…the one with the time of your birth. Many states charge $20.00 or more per document; however, keep in mind if someone was in the military—it’s free, and the same applies to their spouse. You can download the form from your Birth State website, write “time of birth” for the reason on the application.

            OC, what you wrote is exactly what the parasites did [assumed we abandoned our property, declared us “dead fictional entities” (your name in caps is a corporation; not you) via tricking our mothers to register our birth; then around 14 days later a new document was generated on bond paper monetizing us by the franchised Corporate State per criminal FDR while the media was silent]. Criminal Lincoln’s undeclared war with more than a million dead then signing his friend, Francis Lieber unlawful rot opened the door with subsequent bankruptcy and foreign owners. The only way this hogwash of fraud will cease is another President must sign to void the Lieber Code; however, you must still do the paperwork to be free. One by one every President sits on his hands refusing to surrender their unlawful power as President of the Corporation. All wars require a Declaration to start and Peace Treaty to end. Criminal Lincoln ignored both.

            Since Criminal Wilson signed Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 (notice the word Act like in a theater, a play…it’s not Public Law) we have been declared Enemies of the State by Criminal FDR after another Corporation bankruptcy in 1933. FDR also robbed our parents land and gold…and your land too. Look at your deed – you don’t own it; you’re a tenant so the franchised States can charge you rent disguised as Real Estate Tax since they don’t have a printing press for money.

            Trends Forecaster, Gerald Celente’s Prediction #1: All 50 States Go “All-In” on Gambling. How about that for cash strapped States underfunded pensions, etc.? Take a look at the parasites law books and you’ll see it’s copyrighted. Constitutional Public Law cannot be copyrighted. 1998, in a controversial piece of legislation, the actors in Congress (sitting as Board of Directors of the Corporation) extended the length of copyright protection in the United States by 20 years.

            We haven’t had a Treasury since 1924 and the fact that the IMF has been functioning as the U.S. Treasury for many years now and both the “IMF” and the “UN” were spun off by the same bad actors who feed upon us under the guise of serving us. The UN is not the United Nations, in the same way that the UNITED STATES is not the United States. (Notice caps? – 2 separate Corporations)

            Look this up for yourselves in Corpus Juris Secondum Volume 20, subsection 1785— “UNITED STATES is a foreign corporation (NY RE:Merrian, 36 NE 505, 1441 S. CT. 1973, 41 L.ED.287.”
            I have been told bankruptcy proceedings are taking place now in the District of Corruption and this guy is the lead judge.

            FYI – The first unlawful Executive Order: .
            Lieber Code, General Orders No. 100 by Abraham Lincoln (04/24/1863) Section II, Article 31: A victorious army appropriates all public money, seizes all public movable property until further direction by its government, and sequesters for its own benefit or that of its government all revenues of real property belonging to the hostile government or nation. The title to such real property remains in abeyance during military occupation, and until the conquest is made complete

            Senate Document # 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933. The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual ownership is only by virtue of Government

          • metaOne on June 14, 2017 at 6:52 am

            living will anyone? learn who you are in relation to pieces of paper that makes the merry go round the World at Large :)~

            ps – farrell i’ve tried for a couple years but cant…a friend shared a story about the templars in ancient times – allegedly they all walked around with an amulet or something of significance around their necks that had two sides – on the obverse was the equivalent of a birth record with private witnesses while on the reverse was their will if they were found dead…the more things change, the more its just their faces/masks that change – substance is…(friend read this in a book ten years ago but can’t locate book today)…

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