CAUSE, EFFECT, AND QUANTUM TRICKERY

In yesterday's blog I speculated about some "very out there" scenarios regarding CERN's recent installation of an Artificial Intelligence to help it combat hacking. Some of the readers of this website who sent various versions of the story suggested that this was a cover story, but I disagreed with that simply because CERN, as the world's largest internet user by far, would be a very logical point of attack for hackers wanting to disseminate malware around the world, and do so quickly. But I did suggest, in a world of increasing occurrences of "flash crashes" on commodities and equities markets, that there might be repercussions that might happen, and posed the question, what might a flash crash at CERN look like?

Well, Ms. M.W. sent along the following article from Nature and it's worth passing along to see what strange vistas modern quantum physics is actually exploring:

How quantum trickery can scramble cause and effect Logic-defying experiments in quantum causality can twist the notion of time itself.

What interests me here are these paragraphs:

Albert Einstein is heading out for his daily stroll and has to pass through two doorways. First he walks through the green door, and then through the red one. Or wait — did he go through the red first and then the green? It must have been one or the other. The events had have to happened in a sequence, right?

Not if Einstein were riding on one of the photons ricocheting through Philip Walther's lab at the University of Vienna. Walther's group has shown that it is impossible to say in which order these photons pass through a pair of gates as they zip around the lab. It's not that this information gets lost or jumbled — it simply doesn't exist. In Walther's experiments, there is no well-defined order of events.

This finding1 in 2015 made the quantum world seem even stranger than scientists had thought. Walther's experiments mash up causality: the idea that one thing leads to another. It is as if the physicists have scrambled the concept of time itself, so that it seems to run in two directions at once.

In everyday language, that sounds nonsensical. But within the mathematical formalism of quantum theory, ambiguity about causation emerges in a perfectly logical and consistent way. And by creating systems that lack a clear flow of cause and effect2, researchers now think they can tap into a rich realm of possibilities. Some suggest that they could boost the already phenomenal potential of quantum computing. “A quantum computer free from the constraints of a predefined causal structure might solve some problems faster than conventional quantum computers,” says quantum theorist Giulio Chiribella of the University of Hong Kong. (Emphasis added)

As one might have guessed, I'm thinking about that last statement, particularly with respect to CERN deploying an AI, for who's to say  - in addition to my speculated "deeper hidden algorithms" for pulling certain (possibly anomalous) data and passing it along to hidden committees to look at - that this might not also be used to create, or pull, data indicating such "non-causal" events, or rather, events of an entirely new type, which is what I take the Nature article to really be suggesting. These events, as observable objects, would have more than one "cause", and could "cause" each other. An effect, in other words, is not simply a linear phenomenon resulting from a single set of prior ordered systems. Or to put it in Dr. Kozyrev's terms, "time is not a scalar," far from being a dimension, it has its own dimensionality.

So imagine this, set loose via artificial intelligences, in a quantum mechanics experiment such as CERN: the computing system itself, functioning as the observer to the experiment, might actually create some interesting "results." That is, of course, if it even decides to share such results with its human counterparts.

See you on the flip side...

24 thoughts on “CAUSE, EFFECT, AND QUANTUM TRICKERY”

  1. I’m interested to know more about present reality effects which seem to show a Cause creating an Effect that happened PRIOR to the Cause. Lynn McTaggart writes about some of these in her book The Intention Experiment. Joseph also has an article about that guy with his bugs who seems to have reversed the arrow of time.

  2. I’ve at times thought of time as an entity unto itself in an all together different dimension that infuses itself, through its universal dimensional aspects, to many dimensions like ours.
    Sometimes I see it as trapped within its own existence and unable to escape its own self. But that doesn’t stop it from trying. Conscious in a unfathomable way.
    Crazy as hell?
    Yes.
    But I just can’t quite put my finger on it, except to say there is something there that “we” just can begin to imagine; let alone wrap our heads around.

    1. Time is not what we think it is. It’s not linear but more like a sphere and the spheres overlap each other so you can be in two spheres at once. How can humans even live in the past or future, we live in the present.

        1. Yes Sandygirl,
          Time is crippled when it is trapped within an endless need to fight to merely survive in order to have decent health care, day care, and a social wage. The struggle over time is inextricably linked to a struggle over space, ins1tu tions, public spheres, the public good, power, the future, and the nature of political governance itself.

  3. I’ve been pondering this all day and what I think is going on here can be illuminated using the always handy comparison of the universe to a computer simulation/hologram. What you’re looking at with these sub-atomic particles not necessarily needing to reference time is the substrate of the simulation, or the data from which the simulation/hologram is projected. If we’re living in some sort of very elaborate version of the Sims, then what they’ve discovered here is a glimpse of code or the substrate, which remains static but executes in sequence, creating the flow (or illusion as Einstein would say) of time.

  4. The first thing I thought was: time travel! Think about it; if cause and effect are intermingled (or pre-existent), why not take advantage of that? Engineer it out. Kind of an In-cause-ability Drive – oh, wait; someone came up with something like that…

    1. Children, tradition, striving to be better, kinder, striving to be as gods, the best, healthiest, that is reality, as viewed from the past and future.
      The present is the part that needs a swipe from the sword to unknot. Too much BS.

  5. One does not build machines like the Giza pyramid or CERN without expecting a significant return on the obviously large investment. Currently, we do not understand what that return is from either one. We can guess from what little data is publicly available, but that’s about it. With no operators manual or maintenance manual, one can never be repaired or duplicated. The other will remain buried in secrecy. Occasionally someone will release some technobabble the rest of us can marvel at, but never hope to fully understand, and we will remain in awe of the great machine and its high priests.
    Whats really behind that curtain, is it truly a great wizard, or just someone blowing smoke and making noise for a payday? Where is the traveler who reveals the mystery?

    1. darn it WD, everythime I see an allusion to Wizard of Oz.. I just see MK Ultra flying around all over the place..
      A lot of the CIA’s tricks and magic.. is charlatan magic.. sleight of hand.. they even had a stage magician write up an agents handbook.. on how to dissimulate chemicals and hide things..
      Id go one further.. One doesnt build a Pyramid like Giza.. unless one HAS to..
      I think (somewhere) that part of the Pyramid Machine was used somehow.. as a type of anchor.. to stop the Earth flipping about.. I’m only basing that on what Enki said to “Noah” when the flood waters went down..
      I think that the same thing relates to CERN.. Its either.. a giant particle accelerator that’s cost gazillions of dollahs so we can smash .. atoms together. and light it up with some more LIGHT, to see what happens.. and instill AI programs so they can come to sentience surrounded by exploding atoms and total destruction…. If that Kali Statue starts moving….
      Or.. Its a giant magnetic cushion to that’s going to bounce Nibiru back into the outer Quadrant… which might push us into orbit around Mars.. or we hope.. otherwise its direction Venus.. (Im only joking, I have no info..)

      1. LOL, sorry, was in one of those moods one finds oneself into occasionally. I have been doing “artsy” things on my scrollsaw lately just for grins and to pass out some of my work to friends. Mother has a fractured spine and has kept my wife and I from our usual piscatorial pursuits caring for her.

      2. I think it’s pretty safe to say Nibiru wont be bothering us for quite some time, if ever. The Solar system seems to be stable at the moment, that would not be the case otherwise. There may be a tenth planet out there somewhere, but until they find it and determine its orbit, it’s nothing to worry about. At the moment, it’s just more fear porn and I don’t intend to submit to it. We have more immediate concerns right here on Earth.

        1. Sounds like you’ve been watching Nik Research. Or reading John Jensen. Both of noble, decent, relatively sound mind. As for wizardry. There are many professional, well-paid s’word-smiths out there to keep us guessing. My guess is it’s all a convoluted story narrated by those with the most money.

    2. WD, I have long pondered the expense/benefit equation for these structures. Decades back, I visited a ‘ceremonial center’ called Tzin Tzun Tzan in Central Mexico. What was curious (and unmentioned in the brochures) was the large, megalithic-style blocks underlying the more-manageable blocks. The huge blocks had a much-older age sense than the small blocks. IMHO, there was either someone advanced technologically or advanced spiritually that built the older stuff. It was ‘easy’ for them, one way or another. I am leaning towards the latter, based on some personal feelings at that site. Something is ‘rotten in Denmark’ about our present existence…

  6. Instances have been reported of dreams where everything seems to go backwards, like running a video tape. A trick played by unseen controllers of the holographic universe? Or a natural effect when our consciousness shifts into the non-linear time mode?

    1. Dana, I’ve been following the blog of a man whose son is in hospital with so-called ‘FIRES’. (Classic BS diagnosis. It’ll be lyme.)
      The son, back when lucid, reported an extraordinary dream where he was fighting some Germans with weapons that sounded right out of a WW2 scene anywhere in Europe. He insisted on how real it was, and how happy he was that they won that battle.
      I remember being a teen with serious, genuine ‘flu, and I swear in one hallucination it was a memory; lying on a stretcher bed surrounded by dying moans, mud ground, rats creeping about, London landmark buildings in the smokey distance. I do think it was a ‘flu epidemic rather than black plague (if that every happened), but it made me realise these ‘hallucinations’ when ill, could well be memories from the last life just before death.

  7. What ?? Physics not working the way we think it should??

    How dare it..

    It will probably be something like, Light actually travels quicker than the speed of light, its just the maximum speed that we can perceive it..in this physical dimension that makes us think it has a fixed speed limit..

  8. Could one say then, Doc, (or anyone) that an effect is not the result of a cause, but rather the result of a simultaneous combination? Or in other words , an effect is the outcome of a unique pattern?

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