FEDOROV AND OTHER RUSSIAN COSMISTS A STEP CLOSER TO REALITY?
"Who the heck is Fedorov and who are the 'Russian cosmists'?", I'll bet you're saying.
Well, to be woefully succinct and therefore inaccurate about it, the "Russian cosmists" were intellectuals that emerged in the late 19th and early 20th century, who viewed technology as being a means to "live out" and achieve in culture and society certain doctrines of Russian Orthodoxy. One of them, Nikolai Fedorovich Fedorov, a widely-read man usually regarded as being the "founder" of the movement, believed that technology would supply the means to resurrect one's ancestors, and more importantly, that it was a moral imperative to use such means to do so. It was, if you will, the ultimate in "realized eschatologies," the fusion of technology and not just "faith," but central conceptual tenets of Russian Orthodox doctrine.
If that sounds silly and wildly impossible even in our inhuman "transhumanist" age, think again, for this article - which was shared this past week by many regular readers here - indicates that part of the Fedorovian vision may be coming to fruition:
DNA of Man Who Died in 1827 Recreated Without His Remains
The essence of the achievement is here:
Recreating a deceased person or animal’s DNA has required that DNA be extracted from the remains of the individual, but a new study has shown that may not be the only way. The DNA of a man who died nearly 200 years ago has been recreated from his living descendants rather than his physical remains — something that has never been done before.
deCODE Genetics a biopharmaceutical company in Iceland, achieved this feat by taking DNA samples from 182 Icelandic descendants of Hans Jonatan, a man who is quite an icon in Iceland, most well known for having freed himself from slavery in a heroic series of seemingly impossible events.
It was the unique circumstances of Hans Jonatan’s life that made it possible for his DNA to be recreated after his death. For one, Jonatan was the first Icelandic inhabitant with African heritage. Iceland also boasts an extensive and highly detailed collection of genealogical records. The combination of Jonatan’s unique heritage and the country’s record-keeping for inhabitants’ family trees made this remarkable recreation possible.
Any way one slices it, this "reverse engineering" of someone's genome from their existing descendants is quite an achievement, even if, as in this case, Mr. Jonatan's unique heritage and the context of his descendants in Iceland made it relatively easy to do. One can indulge in some high octane speculation here, and envision this as but a "first step" in the ability to recreate almost anyone's DNA, from almost any set of circumstances, say - for example - in the case of someone who left no descendants but who had lots of family. With enough computing power and knowledge of a few other parameters, one might envision the development of such "genomic reconstitution technologies" (as I'm going to call both the technology and the field) from things like pictures or paintings, and so on. All of this in aid of answering the question "what type of genome would produce this look or that individual"?
There was, of course, a flaw in Fedorov's reasoning, and I'm sure you see it: the reconstitution of an individual's specific genome does not itself argue that that individual person has been reconstituted. If I may so put it, the matrix for the epiphany or manifestation of that person has been reconstituted, but not the person himself. The question of whether the person would or could do so remains open from a philosophical point of view. But it's an important one. Ira Levin, in his classic science fiction novel The Boys from Brazil - made into the famous movie with Gregory Peck playing a very brilliant but very deranged Dr. Mengele - had Mengele not only preserving Hitler's DNA and eventually reproducing lots of little cloned "Adolfs," but taking extreme care to recreate the social and family context that led to the creation of the personality: drunken and abusive father, doting and protective mother, and so on. Even then, let it be noted, one "cloned Adolf" is confronted by Mengele (and a very fictionalized Simon Wiesenthal played by Sir Lawrence Olivier), and the "cloned Adolf" turns on his creator, and ends up shaking hands with Wiesenthal.
Of course, all this raises the question of why would anyone want to do this at all?
Permit me to crawl way out on to the end of the twig of speculation today in attempting to answer that question: I suspect - strongly - that such enterprises are for the people engaging in them a kind of spiritual goal, one might perhaps qualify it as even a kind of spiritual lust. There are those for whom the accomplishment would be to prove that science can do what religion can't (or at least, does in a different way). These types of people don't bother me so much, for in the end, scientism of this sort is rather childish and silly, even though all too prevalent. But I suspect there are also those with deeper agendas, like Levin's Dr. Mengele, for whom the technology is a means to an end, the end being the invocation and "resurrection" of revered "hero figures," the "ancient and mighty men of renown". It will all be sold in the usual, deceitfully innocent and charming way, as a means, for example, of "real education" with personal encounters. Add in the "psychological experts" to "recreate the personality," mix, stir, bake for 90 minutes, and voila, one has "resurrected" an individual.
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I don’t see how anyone can get around the problem of ‘time’ with these types of technology. If you’re going to get a perfect clone of say Hitler, the geometric planetary configurations, which affect each person differently are going to be very different today than what they were a century ago or even last week! Time is not a scalar is it? Time also has ever-changing qualities.
Within the span of a trillion trillion years we will all be resurrected several times over in a true infinity anyways. In a true infinity we are infinitely being resurrected constantly somewhere in the multiverses. What is the passing of a trillion trillion years when its not being observed? It is instantaneous, faster than light speed, and super conducted. There is no true death and nothing to fear but fear itself.
This begs the question; who is a likely candidate for resurrection ? Some weird Toltec builder, Melek Taus, John the Forerunner, Clovis the first ? It’s not how or why but whom .
Are we talking “Alchemy” here ??
Makes me think of ancestry.com. Family tree and DNA, how intriguing! All of these research-your-DNA are DNA harvesters. Still I hold out that science will not match what organic nature does.
They are opening a Pandora’s box but I think deliberately which brings up the question. Who are these want to be Dr. Frankenstein’s bargaining with and to what ends and what gains?
Also sheds some light on all the attempts to gather as many people’s DNA as possible, not only to get a broad picture of humanity, but to isolate desired DNA keys to those ancient folks who bred with us.
Also, they might search for the “ancient gene” that may be needed to make some of their technology, a subject explored in the Stargate SG-1 franchise.
What if their specific DNA profile has a resonant effect with the departed “soul,” (for want of a better term)? Will it draw them back to the body, or will it have some completely unexpected results (almost guaranteed)?
Perhaps they hope to “resurrect” one of the ancient ones to teach them how to use some technology they’ve found and can’t figure out. (Or just to worship?)
Now we’re talking.
They’ll be a number of number of candidates: demigods, saints, or even the “Son of God”.
They’ll pull them right out of their…..
“Lust” seems to be important here. A statement of intense appetite, perhaps greediness… seeking for self rather than working to improve for all…
I suggest the desire to to accrue the most money (substitute fame, adoration, etc) in the world… Perhaps forgetting or ignoring that there is no guarantee. Being wealthy does not guarantee friends, family, love, joy, peace, happiness….
It is interesting that so many are seeking (by whatever name or terms)… Oneness. Is it the response to a world where the essence of what it means to be human… is being challenged? There have been people who walked this path in ages past – we have been handed down stories about their journeys.
Is it our “essence”? Have we forgotten, never known or struggled with “What does it mean to be human?” Do we seek quick solutions to quiet the rising tide for depth relationship?
To achieve “our best self” in any area, requires lots of hard work, patience, time learning, time practicing, and mostly time just being who we are. Unfortunately, that isn’t the trend i see people taking today. Nor is there any sense that one carries others as we walk. Each is a pathfinder, leader, follower, and carried by others both past and present. Always …. it is plural…. we get there by those who carry us. We owe those who came before us as much as we owe those who follow us.
What is this obsession w/the individual?
No man is an island?
With the “Chemtrails” set to ignite omnicide; along with mass extinction of many other species, perhaps this is a symptom of mass hope porn? But, my fear porn may be more on target than most realize; or, care to wrap their minds around?
Speaking of hope.
I hope I’m wrong, and have been taken in on a mass hoax. Otherwise, it’s a mass curtain call for all these performances of late.
The web of life is composed a countless living species in a symbiotic relationship. DNA is but a piece of a much, much larger puzzle called live.
Considering that the vast majority of who we are is comprised not of our DNA but in the bacteria , fungi and viruses that inhabit our matrix, I say good luck with that recreation thing
Long time no see…
Good point! Much more to life than just the DNA. There’s more to that “junk” DNA than we’re being told; and for that matter, what “they” think they know.
Hellooo R.B. !
Regarding that junk, while my recall is somewhat fuzzy now I believe I heard it from Dr. Zach Bush that the 99% non-coded part of our genome is a repository of epigenetic data. I don’t have the time to suss it out but if this interests you I will post it if/when I can relocate the information. No doubt this is a bit of a disappointment to the genes rule camp. I guess one man’s junk is another man’s treasure.
In fact, the epigenetic tie-in w/the environment is considered, in some circle, the third[unseen] strand of DNA.
Indeed, there is so much unknown, that to presume one is now in the driver seat[hand of God] is madness. But, when did madness ever stop these guys from committing mass suicides for all their followers.
What a clever way to plant genetic evidence at a crime scene that could be used to prosecute and incarcerate an individual without them being present or having anything to do with a crime. If I have thought about it, they have too!
Great insight into a potential implication! Thanks for sharing it.
Well.. this certainly looks like a “today’s version” of immortality as per achieved by sumerian kings (MLK) that lived for thousands of years…
How do Buddhists confirm if someone is the reincarnation of a former ‘life’..? They pick up a kid then brainwash him with his last ‘incarnation”s achievements, philosophy and duties?? taa daaa.. they live…:)
Blacks soldiers were forbidden in Iceland during the American occupation. Icelanders did not want the American bubonic plague.
It is doubtful, that African wildlife admixture will bring a Johann Sebastian Bach into being.
This copy and paste technology will, however, remove “disharmony” by popular demand, and produce a multitude of pipe organists.
who’s the guy who wrote amazing grace?
This kind of research does bring up some interesting questions. Assume that you can get ‘pretty close’ to any (recent) individual’s DNA. From that DNA, you can semi-clone a physical body, perhaps using a cell that has had its DNA removed.
Now comes the fun stuff: Ghosts and Souls.
For most people, their Soul is located in their middle-back. It extends a few inches beneath the skin and multiple inches outward. It is kind of a stretched-out football shape (an American football). It is not the heart chakra; it is ‘higher’. It departs the body upon death.
So, what if a ready-made body without a Soul is lying-alongside a dying body with a Soul? Would a person’s Soul just unplug and re-plug, given close-enough DNA matching? And how much of a person’s personality would survive the switch?
It gets even more weird with Ghosts. I am presuming that a person’s Soul has gone ‘onward’ if their body has been dead for months, years, or decades. What might be left-behind as a Ghost would be an ‘astral body’ or an ‘etheric body’ or such. Now, would a ready-made body without a Soul, but with close-enough DNA matching, attract the desired Ghost? And again, how much of a person’s personality would survive the ‘possession’, given their Soul has ‘moved on’?
In a macabre way, science may shine some light on ‘our side’ versus ‘other side’ connections…
bene tleilax eh?
And what about the spear of destiny with Jesus’s DNA on it? You can’t tell me someone wasn’t on a mission to find this relic and resurrect him as soon as this tech was out of kept secret until the day the tech was up to speed with the resurrection myths?
The father in the heart is “nucleus perpetuity”, because Yahweh is Year span. In ancient Hebraic it is “olam”. Pilgrims experience this collapse, when the journey itself becomes the destination.
Reconstruction of an empty house is destined to become a desolate place. Balfour “paper ring” to “rule them all” is based on a false lordship title, that feeds on a false claim of “divine right to rule”.
Russian cosmists are seeding the camp of the saints.
Maybe that’s meant to be the “second coming” and dupe us all to think that He has returned, only to see that the second version has been “adjusted” by those in the “bureau” to lead us all to hell.
anyone ever seen a judas goat at work?
Aha! They better get their timing and planetary alignment right LOL
Language allows multi layered expression, that brings paradoxical collapse. It blows the mind. This is why Patristic Exegesis IS the Rune System of Reality (RSR).
Direction of logical time span collapses into eternal loop of nucleus perpetuity. (i.e. way, truth and life collapses into eternal return of alpha in omega.)
It means, that Christianity essentially is Pyramidal spin expressed in the Rune System of Reality (RSR). It also means, that the Runes are more Christian than the Gospels. Runes are cultural genome!
(Rune System of Reality (RSR) is a necessary nomenclature to approach Russian cosmists’ morphogenetic field. By Runes, I do NOT mean ale drinking pirates desecrating British churches!)
you keep on using that word. i do not think that word means what you think it means.
Genomic reconstitution might enable someone to activate a particular ancient or antique technology. Apocatastasis by application of DNA + controlled intention ?
If we look at genealogical tables as a “topological tree” we can trace given elements backwards and forwards over time. But it is a totally different matter to posit past genome patterns (popularised in this Icelandic experiment as “recreating a person”) as being “better” or “worse” than anyone who would be born without such complex (pseudo-) scientific meddling. If we agree that consciousness is something atemporal that manifests in the material medium with its past-future time scheme, mimicking the genome of the most wonderful sage or horrendous criminal of the past would just not work. Not the least because because our planet is in a totally different point of the physical cosmos.
” If we agree that consciousness is something atemporal”
I would argue consciousness as also being aspatial.
There is also the problem of the specific epigenomic conditions for each step of the progenic branches.
As people who claim to be religious, you’d think they’d know better than to go there.
“Lust” is exactly the appropriate word here, as this is a carnal endeavor, of the flesh, and not a spiritual one, of the soul, and they will only open a Pandora’s box of unintended consequences. There is a lot more involved in the structure of human being and their personhood than just DNA, or even their upbringing and life experiences.
Clueless people should not go messing about with creation and resurrection.
“Clueless people should not go messing about with creation and resurrection”
– that’s pretty much sums it – the whole human species 🙂