OANNES THE OCTOPUS? PART TWO
Yesterday I blogged in part one of this story about a recent article by scientists, advancing the hypothesis that cephalopods might have been seeded to Earth, rather than having arising on this planet as part of normal evolutionary processes. I left off hinting at speculations, but now I want to indulge those high octane speculative instincts more completely. The cephalopod, with all its large brain mass, its strange camouflage ability, its camera-like eyes, a very strange "distributed brain" system, its apparently high intelligence (cephalopods, and in particular, octopuses, have been shown to actually learn from each other by mere observation), not to mention a mitochondrial DNA consistency that is far above average, and the fact that they arise very suddenly, without much by way of precursors, in the evolutionary record, led these scientists to advance the panspermia model for their origins:
Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?
In short, cephalopods originated off this planet, and somehow arrived here.
Ok, so what? Where's the high octane speculation in all this?
Let's start here: Berossus, the Babylonian priest "hired" by Alexander the Great to translate his country's mythology and history into Greek, tells perhaps the tallest "fish story" about "the one that got away" of them all. This story concerned a "fish-man" named Oannes, who came from the sea, with the head and tail of a fish, but inside, the head and feet of a man. From this strange creature, the ancient Mesopotamians learned wisdom, science, and culture. I've always thought this myth was yet another example of the phenomenon of paranomasia, of the "multi-layered" deep structure levels of meaning that lie deceptively hidden behind an apparently ridiculous mythological surface structure. The fish is viewed like a seed, open the seed, and one finds man, a "Cliff notes" version, if you will, of the standard evolutionary notion of life beginning in the seas, and issuing ultimately in man, for notably, it is the human part, and not the fish part, that presumably taught the ancient Mesopotamians their "wisdom." Just as equally, the ocean itself is viewed as the vast abyss of space. Thus, the mythological surface could entertain the notion that this life came from "out there" somewhere. This reading is at least consistent with other Mesoptamian texts that refer to "Kingship" having been brought down to Earth from the heavens.
Let's crawl out to the end of the twig, and couple this to the "cometary bombardment-panspermia" model that the seed material of the cephalopod came from "out there". If so, then this would mean that the planet of origin would have had to have been water-bearing. And here I think it gets very interesting, for this is precisely what the late Dr. Tom van Flandern proposed for the now-missing - and exploded - planet in our solar system. Interestingly enough, the Babylonians, according to some interpretations, called this planet "Tiamat", a name of primordial waters. In van Flandern's model, this explosion sent giant shock waves of water, and hence, presumably, of any life in that water, traveling throughout the solar system. Mars was concussed with it in a sudden planetary wide flood, part of the shock wave reached Earth, and may explain the Deluge mythologies on this planet. And the strange and bizarrely intelligent cephalopods may thus, as these scientists, and a peculiar reading of some ancient texts, may be the result. On this reading, the Oannes myth might be saying something else yet again: behind this strange ocean dwelling "fish" there lies a high intelligence.
There are, however, serious problems with this speculation, and they must be mentioned. In van Flandern's model, this explosion took place in relatively recent geological and solar system history, either at 65,000,000 years ago, or 3,200,000 years ago (for reasons I outlined in my book The Cosmic War). On the other hand, the arrival of cephalopods by the panspermia model being proposed by the scientists is roughly 270,000,000 million years ago. Here, as elsewhere, the chronologies do not match, unless, of course, one wants to propose that the date of "kingship" being lowered from heaven, ca 240,000 years ago, is a harmonic expression of a much larger magnitude: 240,000,000 years ago, which puts things in the same approximate time frame. That too, does not resolve the issue of Van Flandern's dates. But ignore the dates, for a moment, and suppose that all these hypotheses and speculations are components of a larger picture, and one would get the idea that perhaps the cephalopod may have originated on that now missing planet. If our chronologies are correct, then there is no unitary scenario behind these various hypotheses; if the unitary scenario is correct, then our chronologies have to be reexamined and adjusted.
Time, and further research and reflection will tell.
But either way, maybe the strangely fascinating creature that is the octopus may end up holding a key to these questions. Maybe Oannes was the octopus.
See you on the flip side...
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why does it have to be an either or choice? why not both? why not waves of (get it) prehistoric deluges? deluges loaded with dna. so who gets seniority on this electromotive water producing rock?
reminds me. anyone seen some such bout quasars or some other stephen hawking construct that would be more easily splained in an electric universe theory? something like a star or two rotating around each other at impossible rotational (even theoretical rotational) rates and out of the axis of rotation at either end massive like galaxy sizes jets of water spouting? kinda dwarfing and similar to the jets of water coming off of comets as plasma energy hits the rocks that are plasma and electric charges are exchanged.
“ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”
“in his house at R’lyeh sleeping Cthulhu waits dreaming.”
They take their brains and feed them to the cephalopods……in order to become one with that race…..
And what is a few million years anyways……
Im im trying to get my head around the image of millions of teardrop water globules filled with octopii barrelling through space in a years’ long journey from an exploded water world planet en route to an earthly rendevous! Who will compose the score for this movie!
Probably besides the point, but cephalopod comes from the Greek meaning for “Head & Foot”
The Techno Pagan Octopus Messiah
high octane = 8 legs from outer space?
Stephen Baxter had squids trained to pilot a space ship from earth.
animal farm – 2 legs good 8 legs better.
so when I get abducted into the space ship if I dont see 2 legged lizards, I’ll look for 8 handled control benches.
popes wear that Dagon headdress wonder why? something fishy apart from Jesuit popes against their oaths not to be white popes.
anyhow, fukushima has fuku’d the sea first, then the land. like evolution, but death wise. first they came for the salmon (see Kevin Blanch yt) – cause they don’t count octopi.
(I am doing L A Waddell 1930’s books on the phoenecian origins of us, vs the bad guys who remained mired on the dark side – sooo how did Thor (Arthur) get so smart to invent almost everything and conquer much of the world? -eddas and others available at archive.org for free).
Pierre some of Waddell’s research on ancient glyphs is surprisingly pertinent today.
Maybe Oannes was the original ‘Fisher of Men’?
One has to question the vain assumption that we are the only intelligent and advanced being/civilization to have existed on this planet.
This does bring a possibility brought up in the science fiction novel The Watch Below of an underwater culture immigrating to Earth. The question would then be how many other species from other stars are residing with us on this planet and on other planets and moons in this solar system.
My gut feeling is that we are dealing with disinformation by those who want to deflect attention from the earths’ closest neighbors on the solar system by making it look like the asteroid belt was a past harbor for life. But life of what sort, being so far away from the sun? Aquatic, warmed by the heat of core of such a planet? Well, then Titan should be the first place to look for such aquatic life perhaps, not earth or mars But that is going to take a lot of time, and will be hard, therefore allowing CRACKPOTS to present theories that cannot be falsified in the crackpot’s lifetime on earth. Let us look closer to earth, at VENUS and MARS first, and if we can’t find anything there, let us move to the asteroid belt.
The short lifetime of the octopus is something that needs to be looked at from different angles. Is some radiation or chemical on earth causing the octopus lifetime to be so limited? Has anyone looked at aging in Octopi and whether it exists or not, and if there is a gene programming for early death?
of the top of my head.. Scorpians in Venus, Bacteria in the Asteroid belt.. Water is present on Enceladus in the E ring of Saturn.. That’s the next point of interest after the Moon’s poles.. Nice little gas mining rig set up in Saturn.. If the Giant Cylinders weren’t us.. then .. we’ll probably not get past Mars.
Mars doesn’t have enough mass to hold an ocean from evaporating. Venus is highly suspect. Any large chunks of ocean blown off from a crashing moon or large asteroid would freeze on its way to Earth and if large enough parts of it could have crashed into our oceans releasing frozen octopus. Or perhaps live octopus was a delicacy brought here by visitors which escaped. Now experiments on freezing live baby octopus or octopus eggs if they have eggs and seeing if any survive upon thawing would be interesting.
And yet the octopus is a symbol for world domination;
a motif of evil in historical propaganda maps.
Then there’s a hero Hank in the movie finding dory; but all these; evil & good, are depicted as highly intelligent & inventive.
Is there some remnant “memory” that is in the ether?
I always miss the good posts.. go away for a weekend and come back to see Octopods are Aliens.. I always thought these things werent of this world..
I also think the same for Spiders(3 dimensional spatial conception in order to build a web trap.. usually near a light source.. these things are FAR too clever..), Probably Goats (weird eyes and wrong legs..) Bees are just far too useful.. They’re like the Babel fish out of Hitch Hikers guide to the Galaxy.. Evolution? My incredibly muscular buttocks!!
What really gets me about Cuttlefish.. is the light display….https://www.sciencealert.com/watch-cuttlefish-can-hypnotise-just-about-anything-with-their-flashy-light-display…
Oannes was the name of the Vizier to the first Sumerian King Alulim, his full name being Uanna-Adapa (Adapa being the FIRST human made before the Adama model (with banana and grapes etc) was put into production, much to the greatest displeasure of Father IA (aka EN.LIL). (genetic pollution now possible)
I’ve often wondered if the name Aiwass/Aiwaz could have been phonetically similier to Oannes.. . .
so….. Half men.. Half Fish.. Leviathan.. Jonah..
First symbol of christianity was the Fish, or rather, rebirth by being spat out by a giant fish..
Does this explain the De Medicis obsession with the Cetus and Perseus?
dag gadolis the old hebrew term used to explain the Giant fish that eats up Jonah when he is sent to ‘save’ Ninevah from the wrath of Yahweh.. Id have liked to see him do anything at all to Ninevah (can you say Aleppo?) whilst Ninhursag was still alive!!
Dag – DAG on. Dagon. Priests of Dagon.. Cardinals today wear the same hats.
The first Christians used Jonah and Fish/Cetus symbols to represent the ressurection after death. They didnt use no crucifixes……
Kahlypso, great post! Dolphins are also simply having too much fun here…
Always enjoy your Sumerian (and pre-Sumer) expertise. Stuff needs to be said…
Hey Goshawks. Expertise is a dirty word.. I’m just really interested and for some reason, the info sticks with me.. 🙂 Still trying to find out the real names.. It’s the hardest part of looking..
Pre-sumer? Going back to Atlantides? I have more and more suspicion that Atlantis used to be to the right of Egypt and to the left of India..
And a bit south of where the Aurochs were domesticated..
Kahlypso, yeah, it’s interesting what naturally draws us. I have always had a natural interest in (truly) ancient history. Kindred spirits.
I am reading the latest two of Andrew Collins’ books. Based on him, O’Briens, Sitchin, and others, I agree that the area you mention was definitely an Anunnaki stronghold. (Saw a show on Mohenjo-Daro a few nights back; Inanna’s stomping ground.)
Having stomped-around England, Scotland, and Wales (and a bit of Ireland), I really believe that area either was part of Atlantis or was a main colonization point of it. ‘Live’ stone circles with energy lines that go off into the western sea…
Perhaps it is to the point that the Sumerians offering pine cones to the tree of life have 4 wings on their backs . . Only insects get 4 wings, and almost (maybe?) always get 4 wings!!!
That they sometimes fly with gravity cancellation, is a big perk! Its like the big secrets are in the most obscure places, like deep in the oceans?
My big question is . . . WHY do these animals die after reproducing? The male after delivering sperm, and the female after her eggs have hatched? This is fairly bizarre imvho! These animals are so intelligent they never even get a glimpse the tree of life?
I will be looking forward to the discovery of some of their silent flashy language, we have the computstional power, we just have to convince a few participants to chat in captivity!
BTW, the spider of NAZCA is so small it requires magnification to view it. Its reproductive space is large, rectangular (like the box of Galzu), and attached to one foot. Is there some mystery in this design, akin perhaps to the Temple of Amun?
Nice questions Sally.
Concerning – why do insects die once they’ve reproduced.
Because they’ve transplanted thier momories to their next manifestation. Their current avatar no longer serves any purpose..
Have you seen the recent ‘proof’ that memory can be transplanted from one individual to another using RNA?
Now we can do individual to individual memory transplants.. can we do cross species transfert?? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4779088/ I’m pretty sure EN.KI Lord Ea, would know how to do it…
Hey Sally are we still with us for the genetic memory?
Keep pushing.. https://phys.org/news/2008-01-scientists-molecular-basis-monarch-butterfly.html
Theta…… (my personal favourite…)
(Gotta love that Kabballa..) https://archive.org/details/GreenbaumSpeechHammond1992_201604
How do you make a King?
thanks for the link.
…memory is key.
Robert, “…memory is key.”
Hence, the Tower of Babel Moment…
Matthew 22:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
And what did they (the apostles) do ? They went fishing. And one lucky apostle caught a fish with a coin lodged in its mouth. Perhaps Jesus was sick of being questioned that day and said to himself “I’ll show you bastards” And lo, there was an act of magic which put value into the commonplace, and which resumed the concept of eternal debt owed to the Great Octopus God which even a lowly fish must pay.
Care to comment on Arthur C. Clark & “Rendez-vous with Rama” series of novels? It’s been a long time since I’ve read them, but I do recall that the human characters encountered a species of intelligent and ‘hostile’ octopi on the species-collecting cylinder space ship. Didn’t the octopians (have I just created a word?) capture and mount (taxidermy) one of the humans in their ‘museum?”
Another coincidence, or is an inference of disclosure justified? (Deep underwater pyramids off Cuba?)
Who can forget the oracle that was Paul the Octopus (26 January 2008 – 26 October 2010) who cleverly predicted the results of the 2010 World Cup.
During divinations, Paul amassed an overall record of 12 correct predictions out of 14: a success rate of approximately 85.7%.
First i heard of paul. Sounds like part 3 of this series. If course i have read some plausible conspiracy theories bout various sports being so finely corrupted so consistently that we spectators would almost never get a clue. That might splain the ptb’s willingness to make their fixed game players conform to an octopus’ whims. Wait. Does this make endemic systemic world wide corruption go cross species?
Perhaps Douglas Adams was right, and the planet Earth was made for an express purpose, to answer a question, but it wasn’t white mice that organised it, it was cephalopods…… Or that the octopi work for the white mice, and are reporting back what the observe.
Thanku 4 all the fish. And all rhe wompiters n granfaloons.
Tiamat may well have had intelligent amphibians; who knows? Stranger things have actually happened so it would not surprise me.
But I find a certain normalcy bias in the basic proposition that octopi are so wildly anomalous that they must be space aliens. In truth, weird genetic anomalies are all over the place and are pretty much the rule on this planet–starting with us and all our weird genetics, from blood types to chromosome counts to DNA. Then you have super-massive dinosaurs and dragon flies the size of vultures, the platypus and marsupials (hard to get weirder than that), and domesticated animals and plants that are essentially genetically inexplicable (and so no one tries).
Of course ultimately this comes back to Darwin and evolutionary theory, which is woefully inadequate to explain the sudden rise of species from… where, exactly? All of it seeded/manipulated from space cousins? Is earth truly the garden of Eden, cultivated from outside throughout its long life? Perhaps yes in the end. But certainly all this living diversity arose first somewhere, by some mechanism of radical change, so it ultimately tries to avoid addressing the question by assuming it is conscious alien intervention making these changes and not Nature.
Basta, probably both. We are always going to trace Life back to some ‘first origin’, here or off-world. There, it gets tricky. Was it random-assembly, or was there some ‘guidance’ in the making? (Or even ‘descending’ plane by plane…) I doubt we will every know, down here on earth-plane.
From that point, we have some 12-13 billion years of species rising & falling and passing the torch onto successor worlds. “Ancient Aliens” does punt the initial questions. However, it is probably the best we will ever know. (For me, a Babylon 5 evolution-style is probably closest to ‘reality’ – although it still begs the initial ‘poof’…)
In an article “The Secrets of Super-Earths” (‘Sky & Telescope’ magazine, 3/2017 issue), author Shannon Hall asks, “Where is the Solar System’s Super-Earth?” Kepler mission data have shown that Super-Earths (often calculated to be water-covered worlds, due to planetary density) should be at least as abundant as rocky terrestrial worlds. Perhaps ours is in plain sight, unrecognized…
Planetary scientists often theorize that a planet’s ability to hold onto its atmosphere is a function of its magnetic field. For instance, Mars is posited as losing most of its atmosphere over the eons because of a dying magnetosphere. Once Mars’ core cooled sufficiently for the magnetic-rotor to freeze, the solar wind is hypothesized as slowly stripping-away the now-vulnerable atmosphere. Earth is viewed as a counter-example, with a healthy magnetosphere due to a still-molten core – and so, our atmosphere is ‘protected’ and remains.
Venus, viewed within a conventional lens, is thus an anomaly. It should still have a molten core, since it is a geophysical near-twin of Earth. However, spacecraft have shown that Venus has no magnetosphere. The anomaly is that, within the Mars/Earth theoretical-mindset, Venus has a huge, deep atmosphere. This is in spite of a much-more-powerful solar wind than Mars (due to Venus’ orbital position) ravaging its atmosphere over the life of the solar system.
What if we view Venus with a different lens? For a starter, what if Venus’ current atmosphere is a remnant atmosphere? That situation would fit-in with the powerful stripping-effect of the solar wind over cosmological time, with no magnetosphere to protect Venus’ atmosphere.
If so, Venus may have begun life as a Super-Earth class planet, with both a Neptune-like atmosphere and really-deep seas. Over the life of the Solar System, Venus evolved into one looking more like a ‘hybrid’ of a rocky world and a gaseous world, due to solar radiation and the solar wind. The once Neptune-like atmosphere would have been eroded to its present levels over the solar system’s lifetime, with Super-Venus possibly losing an Earth-mass or so of gases. Somewhere along the line, the oceans also boiled-off, ultimately being lost to space. What we see now is a Super-Venus remnant. This scenario would explain the known macro-facts about Venus.
(Earth could have started-out that way as a Super-Earth, too, but lost most of its gases and water in the hypothesized Earth-Theia collision.)
In addition from p.27 of the article, “In theory, she explains, these planets begin life as mini-Neptunes in the cold outer reaches of their planetary systems. Then after they migrate inward, the star’s intense radiation blows away their atmospheres, leaving a steaming core that looks like a super-Earth. So it might just be that some super-Earths are the the skeletal remnants of their puffier cousins.” (my italics) Remember the ‘Nice’ and ‘Grand Tack’ models of our Solar System’s formation? Just so…
I could make a case that this ‘migration’ scenario also exactly-fits Venus – and possibly Earth – starting as a Super-Earth class planet, initially-forming beyond the ‘frost line’. It would be fascinating to start an investigation – starting from the ‘different lens’ viewpoint – as to whether Venus was born at roughly its current orbit or long-ago was ‘nudged’ into its present orbit from afar.
So, in theory, cephalopod DNA could have originated (flash-frozen, post impacts) from either Tiamat or mid-early Venus…
(Or, a ‘third party’ may have taken pity on the cephalopods’ situation on slowly-overheating Venus and transported them to Earth – either directly, or ‘preserved’ for when Earth was suitable for them. Maybe ‘stasis pods’, if that technology was available…)
There could be, or could have been, an Octopus civilization somewhere. Or even here. They are probably not very interested in communicating with us since most humans typically either avoid them or eat them…