WHAT IF THERE REALLY WAS A VERY HIGH CIVILIZATION IN THE MISTS OF ...

So many people have sent me this story over the last few days, that it would be hazardous to ignore it, and impossible to thank everyone. It's easy to see why it has caught people's attention, for the story - in various versions - has been appearing in the lamestream corporate controlled media and their approved organs; major magazines have run some version of it. What really caught my eye was when it finally made the pages of Scientific American. Of course, the idea of a very ancient high civilization - human or otherwise - based on this planet in the mists of prehistory is usually derided and even lampooned by contemporary academic orthodoxy. That's not saying much, in an age when the academy is busily transforming itself into the quackademy.

Such ideas are fantasy, "Atlantis theories," and so on. We were always told that there's no evidence of anything in pre-history resembling either an industrial or other sort of technological civilization. To be sure, there was the odd "factoid" or two in Sir Flinders Petrie's Pyramids and Monuments of Giza, or a transatlantic anomaly in Ignatius Donnelly or Hapgood's Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, there might even - as some alleged - be weird connections between Cydonia on Mars and Silbury Hill in England(!). It was all dismissed as "coincidence", if it was given even that dignity.

Something has therefore changed, if lamestream corporate media sources - or journals like Scientific American - are willing even to talk about the theory. The questions are: what changed, and why? We'll get back to that, because it forms today's high octane speculation.

Here's the article, shared by so many people I cannot thank you all:

Could an Industrial Prehuman Civilization Have Existed on Earth before Ours? A provocative new paper suggests some ways to

Now, of course, the paper is not admitting of the actual existence of such a civilization, but merely suggesting a way to find out. The bets are still being hedged, in other words. What intrigued me here was that two new proposals are being advanced. The article begins with a stunning paragraph whose implications are immediately apparent if one wants to entertain the premise as being true for the sake of argument:

One of the creepier conclusions drawn by scientists studying the Anthropocene—the proposed epoch of Earth’s geologic history in which humankind’s (sic.) activities dominate the globe—is how closely today’s industrially induced climate change resembles conditions seen in past periods of rapid temperature rise. (Emphasis added)

The implicit presuppositions here are (1) previous eras of climate change resemble the current era (2) some of the current era's change is industrially driven, with the unstated conclusion hovering in the spaces between the lines: (3) therefore, previous eras of such change might be a potential indicator of some prior industrial civilization. The hidden premise here is that such prior civilizations had a similar physics, technology, and energy-financial system to our own. I've written a great deal of speculation to the contrary, but at least the overall basic idea is now being seriously entertained.

That, folks, in and of itself, is a revolution.

The article goes on to explain how, in this case, the openness to the question even occurred:

The canonical example of a hyperthermal is the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), a 200,000-year period that occurred some 55.5 million years ago when global average temperatures rose by 5 to 8 degrees Celsius (about 9 to 14 degrees Fahrenheit). Schmidt has pondered the PETM for his entire career, and it was on his mind one day in his office last year when the University of Rochester astrophysicist Adam Frank paid him a visit.

Frank was there to discuss the idea of studying global warming from an “astrobiological perspective”—that is, investigating whether the rise of an alien industrial civilization on an exoplanet might necessarily trigger climate changes similar to those we see during Earth’s own Anthropocene. But almost before Frank could describe how one might search for the climatic effects of industrial “exocivilizations” on newly discovered planets, Schmidt caught him up short with a surprising question: “How do you know we’re the only time there’s been a civilization on our own planet?”

Frank considered a moment before responding with a question of his own: “Could we even tell if there had been an industrial civilization [long before this one]?”

"Would such traces even be detectable today?" becomes the central question. And here's where it gets even more intriguing, for it turns out that the ability of artifacts of such a civilization to survive in the geological record is...well...small:

Today, less than 1 percent of Earth’s surface is urbanized, and the chance that any of our great cities would remain over tens of millions of years is vanishingly low, says Jan Zalasiewicz, a geologist at the University of Leicester in England. A metropolis’s ultimate fate, he notes, mostly depends on whether the surrounding surface is subsiding (to be locked in rock) or rising (to be eroded away by rain and wind). “New Orleans is sinking; San Francisco is rising,” he says. The French Quarter, it seems, has much better chances of entering the geologic record than Haight–Ashbury.

“To estimate the odds of finding artifacts,” Schmidt says, “The back-of-the-envelope calculation for dinosaur fossils says that one fossil emerges every 10,000 years.” Dinosaur footprints are rarer still.

“After a couple of million years,” Frank says, “the chances are that any physical reminder of your civilization has vanished, so you have to search for things like sedimentary anomalies or isotopic ratios that look off.” The shadows of many prehuman civilizations could, in principle, lurk hidden in such subtleties.

Or to put this point country simple and with the elegant observation of Stanton Friedman regarding UFOs: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Indeed, the article even cites this statement of Mr. Friedman without noting that he has made it many times over the course of many years and many UFO-related investigations, but seems unaware of its origin and the context in which it was originally made (or, perhaps, does know, but simply is unwilling to "go there").

In this respect, the article goes on to point out that if such a civilization had energy requirements similar to our own, and had developed a similar technology reliant upon so-called fossil fuels, then its likely longevity would be very short relative to the long periods of the geological record - just as ours is - and would leave a very small footprint there. (And of course, I and others would argue, and have argued, that this ancient civilization shows all the signs of having a very different physics and understanding of energy, and hence its footprint might be very different.)

Of course, all of this falls far short of admitting the existence of such a civilization; it merely raises questions of how one might go about looking for it.

So what and why is this apparent change happening? I suspect that, in one sense, the pressures to entertain the idea are becoming - if not overwhelming - then at least heavy enough to be dealt with. After all, if one really has followed the stories from space and the rich lore of anomalies and anomalous "structure" on nearby celestial bodies, and couples that with the growing body of literature and evidence of similar anomalies on this planet, that maintaining the simple "academic" and "scientific" dismissal and denial of such possibilities is becoming increasingly difficult.

That's only part of the "why", however, for I strongly suspect that the other question at work here is "how do we reassert control over the narrative"? For that is what I suspect may be going on here. What we might be seeing emerge, in other words, is a limited hangout, a fall-back position, a "marketing scheme," to keep the narrative firmly in the hands of the scientific priesthoods and orthodoxies and gatekeepers, for notably, the template by which the whole hypothesis is to be examined and entertained is that of our own current civilization. This provides a tight control on the types of data to be admitted and discussed: current alleged climate change, and earlier periods, current paradigms of energy, "fossil fuels" and so one; what is carefully excluded on such an approach is any viewpoint that looks at the past and its monuments as possibly embodying very different paradigms of energy and technology.

And another thought - the most highly end-of-the-twig-no-extant-evidence-speculation of them all - occurs to me in connection with the question "why now?" I cannot resist the thought that perhaps maybe someone learned something in their private and hidden translations of some of those old looted and recovered cuneiform tablets.

There... I said it.

See you on the flip side...

 

 

19 thoughts on “ WHAT IF THERE REALLY WAS A VERY HIGH CIVILIZATION IN THE MISTS OF ...”

  1. Did someone mention Reptilians? There’s so much naff chat about reptilians these days that I think we are forgetting that it would be impossible that they could have been/could be a master species.
    The reptilian brain is the oldest, most primitive part of the human brain. It only just manages to stagger through basic, vital functions: heart rate, respiration, body temperature, movement. Only really the brainstem and the cerebellum.
    The stuff of politicians really 🙂

  2. So much to chew over.. I get the feeling that the current Icke Reptiliens theory was derived mostly from that episode of Dr Who..
    However.. the tools and methodolgies that will end up being developped by the questions raised in this ‘serious’ (at long last…) scientific paper.. will be used when approaching newly discovered viable M planets.. to see if there is anything worth looking for to dig up from ‘ancient’ extinct civilisations.. Might even be able to be used on say.. Mars for exemple..

  3. Still waiting for that fossilized transistor radio to show up. Methinks we’ve come close, but the proof is most likely locked away at the Shitstonian.

  4. Scientific American? As an old subscriber/reader the magazine ain’t what she used to be. Sure there were the usual misinformation pieces, but generally it had some real great articles. Now it has become a Popular Mechanic[9/11 shill] dressed up in high brow gloss.
    I’d hate to think an “Atlantis” type civilization would have ionized the skies as has been done by today’s asylum graduate leadership.
    Admittedly I had to LAUGH OUT LOUD when I read about an highly advanced civilization using fossil fuel!
    Zero mention of Zero-Point energy?
    Ancient Aliens also is a control the narrative media outlet[what mainstream BS isn’t?]; the leaks have been purposely let loose to dirty the real stories slipping through the control the frame cracks. They want to steer the cattle toward a preprogrammed group think hive corral.

    1. It would be interesting to see the Real McCoy translations. But even those with the so-called clearance are probably getting juiced just like us.
      So what would be as interesting as what is really being translated is who is really in-the-know? And, perhaps that entity doesn’t give one damn iota about humanity.

  5. After spending time and money to create the discipline of “exoarchaeology” with its conferences and publications (though no digs on other celestial bodies are yet on record, there are lots of satellite surveys!), it just begs the question to discuss the history of the Earth. The “climate change” meme is used here just as in oligarch communication on Antarctica, to conceal rather than expose.
    Then of course it is much less embarassing to hypothesize a “dark satanic mills” type of industrial past, than to look at much more concrete evidence like, just to cite one example, the vitrification in parts of the Libyan Desert, perhaps due to ancient nuclear explosions.

  6. The author mentions the earliest use of a prehuman civilization was a Dr. Who episode from the 1970s. This person forgot there was an episode from the 1960s tv show Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea which starred Robert Duval which dealt with this idea. You read a lot of science fiction this would be a genre in that type of literature. My question is why are they bring this subject up now what have the found that they cant hide this time.

    1. Hey Marcos he could have mentioned Lovecraft and his “old ones” but maybe that would have meant taking a stance that is just a LITTLE too explicit…

      1. Yes, Dana but I was sticking to tv shows if we expand to comic books I remember a story published in the mid-1950s that dealt with a race of butterfly people killed off by a plague. And I know of several novels including the Ice People which take up variants of the Atlantis meme I have read.

  7. So, the scientific priesthood continues to be threatened by a growing body of literature and growing set of inconvenient facts. Their precious Template is in jeopardy of being driven over the cliff and into the trash-bin of History unless they suppress any evidence that does not fit their faith-based belief system. The modus operandi to destroy the evidence is not going to happen to certain imposing stone monuments. No, their fall-back position is continual “dismissal and denial of such possibilities”, and of course to keep supporting the AMAIRKUHN EDGYKAYSHUN system and its highly successful Rotten to the (Common) Core, leading to American school children’s failing performance.

  8. What is so obvious to some appears to be invisible to others. Those that would have us believe we are the only “advanced” civilization to have existed on the planet refuse to admit that the megalithic structures found planet wide, which we still cannot duplicate today, were built by people far more primitive and with tools obviously incapable of the work.
    While there may have been hints of this in those ancient texts, my bet would be on Antarctica where more pristine evidence may have been uncovered. Given its “off limits” nature, this is somewhat believable.
    Ancient texts coupled with “anomalous artifacts and structures” discovered on this planet and “suspected” to exist on the Moon and Mars would seem to indicate a high probability of the existence of such civilizations and give credence to the existence of a differing and more complete physics which incorporated many differing fields into one unified field of mathematics relying on more natural energy sources.
    Losing control of that narrative would mean the loss of control provided by various religions across the earth, especially the main two and those using them for their own nefarious purposes. If there is no God, then you can’t be “chosen” and the “Son of God” would have been just another man, albeit a very wise one.
    Either way, the bulk of mankind has been deemed to “primitive, superstitious, and stupid” to be given the truth by those who would rule over us lest they jeopardize that rule.

    1. A civilization may have potential; but with of a hierarchical society whose structure that is under command of a few individuals not geared for the whole of society, but for those of the few chosen?

    2. I have often wondered if the “Limited Hangout,” that is Antarctica, doesn’t have to do with some sort of archaeological importance. The Egyptian megaliths for example, have been plundered and raped for years. Something in the deep south, would presumably, be in a much less molested state. Perhaps, some sort of Antarctica “disclosure” will only occur after artifacts and/or “smoking guns” are properly cataloged and safely stored away at the Smithsonian, away from Joe Public’s prying eyes.

      Hello, by the way. I am a new member, but far from new to this site or the good Doctor’s books.

  9. I take it as a given and only wonder how many there have been. There are so many clues. Why is the circle 360 degrees and not 365? The zodiac comes to us from the mists of time fully formed; how that? The Ancients and the Mayans knew of the Great Year or the precession of the equinoxes; how on earth did they measure such a subtle movement that spans some 26k years?

    All those ooparts and archeological lies creating a false timeline of human evolution that Michael Cremo has documented.

    The fact that our current evolutionary yardstick for measuring the rate of human adaptation is based upon the marker of humans appearing in the Americas circa 20k years ago, when in fact the infamous suppressed and derailed archeological dig at Vasaquello Mexico unearthed human artifacts dated at 250-500k years, meaning the rate of adaptation (i.e., the dating of modern humans) is off by well over a factor of ten.

    On a shorter time-frame, I’m surprised no one is looking at the “suburbs” of Petra, Jordan for proof of civilization at 20-80K before present era. There are extensive housing complexes carved from the rock that have melted like sugar in that desert environment, much like the Sphinx enclosure, indicating an age well beyond the tiresome Millennialist claptrap of 3-5k years ago that is always forced down our throats.

  10. Yeah, this cited-article reeks of the limited-hangout variety: kind of like a SETI article that opines we may have detected a signal from some distant star, while ignoring the UFO hovering fifty feet above their neighbor’s house…

    Humanity’s advancements have made finding (and most importantly: publicizing) anomalous remains ever more likely. Even Nan Madol on the island of Pohnpei has significant questions around how a supposedly Stone/Bronze Age culture built such a massive ‘compound’ in such an obscure location. Not to mention Göbekli Tepe…

    Plus, articles like the one cited only get released from top down. Why now? Is Antarctica getting too public? Or has some other ‘group’ said, “Disclose now, or we will do it for you…”

    Side note on ancient very-high-civilizations: The Vostock Ice Cores from Antarctica show at least four Ice Age cycles (Milankovitch cycles). The cycles themselves are very plainly NOT man-made. However, the ‘Interglacial Periods’ show a variance in length. What if these variances show the ‘death rattle’ of whatever culture is in place at the onset of their Ice Age?

    (Any culture – knowing what lies ahead of them – would pump-up their thermal output, hoping to offset the decline in ‘outside’ heat. Survival itself, for any area in glacial jeopardy. Our civilization is also at or past that IP ‘boundary’, according to the Vostock data. Curiously, I see lots of new coal-fired plants being built…)

    The longness or shortness of the Interglacial Period beyond a Mother Nature defined point may mark where some ‘calamity’ – internal or external – cut-off that civilization’s ability to forestall their Long Cold…

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