A WARP DRIVE PAPER
I've occasionally blogged over the years about the USA's interest and desire to achieve some sort of warp drive capability within the next century. One of the advantages of a site such as this, where the subject of blogs is in part community-driven, is that people always send such interesting and important information, and that's the case today with this paper that Mr. A.K. found and sent along, for which we all, I think, are profoundly grateful. The paper purports to be an unclassified report on the subject of warp drives for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA):
Now, there are a number of very intriguing things about this paper, at least, to my mind, for it clarifies a number of details.
In my previous reviews of this whole project, I've pointed out two crucial pivots in the history of the interest in warp capabilities on the part of the American defense and aerospace establishment: (1) the original paper on space warping by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre, and (2) the metric modification of that paper undertaken by NASA's Dr. Harold "Sonny" White. Basically, in Alcubierre's paper, the amount of energy needed to achieve a warp capability would be a mass-energy conversion factor of the size of the planet Jupiter, a capability, obviously, far beyond the reach of humans for any foreseeable future. In Dr. White's reworking of this, the mass-energy conversion factor was much smaller, and within the possible bonds of human capability. It was Dr. White's reworking that spurred the practical interest in the subject on the part of the aerospace and defense establishments.
But there may have been something entirely different percolating in the background of this interest, and the current paper hints at it on page vi:
Until гecently, the warp drive was а concept reseгved for science fiction. However, а 1994 рарег Ьу Miguel AlcuЬierre placed the idea on а more solid theoretical footing. Alcubierre (Reference 1) demonstrated that а specific Lorentzian manifold could Ье chosen that exhibited bubЬle-like featuгes reminiscent of the warp drive from the popular Star Trek television series, The ЬuЬЫе allowed for the surrounding spacetime to move at FTL speeds, and the inhaЬitants of the ЬuЬЫе would feel no acceleration effects because spacetime
itself would Ье in motion instead of the spacecraft and its inhabltants. А number of papers have emerged in recent years that buПd on this original idea. However, these papers do not typically address how one might actually create the necessary spacetime ЬuЬЫе. Our own research directly addresses this question from а new and unique perspective and introduces а novel paradigm shift in the field of warp drive study (Reference 2). More importantly, our work approaches the physics of warp drive from the perspective of quantum f1eld theory; th1s diverges from the more trad1t1onal approach to wаrp dгives, which utilizes the physics of general relativity. One of the improvements the model introduces is а dramatic reduction in the overall energy required to create such а phenomenon. The roadmap to this new idea was the observation that spacetime is currently known to Ье in а state of accelerated expansion, as demonstrated Ьу the redshifting of galaxies, and the belief ,that if the mechanism for this expansion could Ье understood, then it might ultimately Ье controlled.
Section 4 introduces the Casimir energy, which, under certain conditions, may Ье the phenomenon that physically generates the cosmological constant. Section 5 discusses higher dimensiqns in physics and their importance in the context of Casimir energy calculation. Section 6 introduces the formulas that demonstrate that the Casimir energies in higheг dimensions may in fact bе the dark energy that is responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe. Section 7 relates all the previous concepts together and introduces the novel warp drive paгadigm. Section 8 performs original calculations of the energy required to сгеаtе а superluminal warp drive. Finally, the paper speculates about the technological progress that would Ье necessary to turn this model into а reality. (Emphasis added)
In its most basic form, the Casimir Effect it is realized through the interaction of а pair of neutral parallel conducting plates (with separation distance d). The presence of the
plates modifies the quantum vacuum, and this modification causes the plates to be pulled toward each other .... This is а profound result in the sense that the origin of this force cannot bе traced back to one of the four fuпdamental forces of nature (gravity, electromagnetism, and the two nuclear forces), but is а force that is entirely due to а modification of the quantum vacuum. '
The quantum modes оп the iпterior region of the plates .are restricted, and there is а pressure difference when compared to the quantum vacuum on the exterior region of the plates.
It is this pressure difference that causes the plates to attract.
Although а practical warp drive could Ье many years away from realization, there are а number of technological developments that may, in fact, bе necessary in order to allow prototype experiments to begin. First; а more complete understanding of dark energy is of paramount importance. As mentioned earlier, dark energy contributes approximately 70 percent of the overall energy density of the universe, and is responsible for the expansion of space. As one acquires deeper understanding of this energy, attempts to generate dark energy in the !аЬ would п о doubt Ье а critical compoлent to а working warp drive. Other crucial developments include determining whether extra dimension are, in fact, real. Once it his has bееп determined with absolute certaiпty, the role of extra dimensions апd their relationship with the universe that we а ге more familiar with will become а more serious focus of scientific research and atteпtion. As has been discussed, the stabllization of the extra dimensions and the accelerated expansion of the remaiпing four dimensions сап bе realized via the Casimir energy. The acceleration of the 3-dimensioпal subspace is а naturally occurring phenomeпon which occurs when the extra dimensions are stabilized. (Emphasis added)
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Whoa! Quite a visual, there:
Reminds me of those tessaract, and other 4d animations that I’ve seen while trying to wrap my head around dimensionality.
Joseph’s description here vividly recalled those animations in my mind. Like a cyclical and circular chunking of spacetime, or an arcade or Spiderman-esque pull and leap movement up the edge of a building.
The inner cube rolls forward and grabs hold of this dimension, pulls as it passes through and then we coast while it’s moving itself back to it’s initial state.
Not knowing how dimensions work, I have no idea how you throw that inner cube around in circular fashion, or if you can. And it seems that tossing it around in a linear, or wave fashion would mean that it would have to pass back through this dimension, creating a blinking movement.
And then, all that said, I don’t know if that’s even how it works, or what the hell I’m talking about, but it sure is interesting to think about.
Thanks for the attention Joseph.
I always go back to the description of the 3-D Sphere by the 2-D Flatlanders in Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin A. Abbott (1884): First nothing, then a point, then an expanding circle, then a contracting circle, then a point again, and then ‘gone’. We 3-D-ers are going to experience the same ‘oddities’ when a 4-D-er comes to visit…
The entire paper is based on the assumption that the universe is expanding, which is based on the assumption that red shift=expansion, as well as the assumption that there is really such a thing as dark matter and dark energy. I am not convinced of any of these assumptions.
But Casimir effect as an analog for dark matter/energy intrigues me.
Science police enforce the rules of the debate within exclusive paradigms they own. A big tragedy is the loss of play, curiosity, and wonder in our pursuits. I get that models are important training wheels in research. However, we have forgotten that one of the most potent model-making tools is the imagination–with a touch of innocence, wonder, playful curiosity, and enthusiasm tossed in for spice. I’m not trained in any science, not even the computer science in the field where I earn my salary. Yet I see a tragi-comic paradox. Hubris blinds many from taking a new, different look. Yet, the healthy response to this hubris disease is not to shrink our human self-image, but rather to dramatically expand it. What if the universe seems so different in different measurement scenarios because we humans are actually so powerful that we re-create the universe as we’re studying it. Sure, I’m talking about consciousness. Current science dismisses consciousness like a pre-teen boy shuns girls. Usually that boy wises up. Let’s see.
Tptb are too scared of even themselves, they don’t know the meaning of freedom. Control is what they know. One cow breaks free and the rest follow. Too many cows are comfortable, until slaughter day.
What if warp drive is nothing but a distraction? A false trail?
Hence its “de-classification”.
I’m just a layman here, but traveling beyond the speed of light – or even approaching it – seems unnecessary to me. I see it much more in the way as is depicted in the movie Contact by Carl Sagan.
Basically, let space come to you, instead of you going (physically) into space.
Carl was really trying to tell us something here. Being in the position he was he had to be very careful with his words and would no doubt have been hamstrung by what he was allowed to tell. So he did it in movie format.
It also ties in with what Tesla said, and the Tesla of the 21st century, Eric Dollard.
Listen to this lecture by Eric Dollard, for the interesting part, go about 2hrs into the lecture. Fascinating stuff.
“yout ube.co m/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw”.
Lastly, it ties in with the experience of the yogi’s in which they describe being able to “comprehend the entire universe” when they are in “samadhi”, or trance.
The journey becomes spiritual, rather than physical.
So raising of consciousness comes into it as well, no fancy tech required. Tech is the (unnecessary) replacement pushed onto us to destroy the innate (spiritual) abilities of the masses.
“So he did it in movie format”.
Actually should have said “novel format” since the movie was based on his novel.
BetelgeuseT-1, well said! There is an excellent SF novel, Time is the Simplest Thing, (1961) by Clifford D. Simak. From wikipedia:
“The prologue of the novel relates how humanity gives up the dream of space travel, which is too difficult and dangerous and offers too little benefit, only to discover that there is another way to explore the universe. Some people possess the ability to travel with their minds to other worlds. Helped by new technology, they can explore another planet far across the galaxy while their bodies remain on Earth.
Shep Blaine is an explorer working for Fishhook, an organization exploiting paranormal powers to explore planets around other stars. … Explorers spend time in ‘star machines’, which are boxes shaped and decorated to stimulate the mind to leave the body and explore the universe. They are accompanied by a small machine that can record experiences and gather physical samples. Some explorers have returned with minds affected by what they encountered. Those explorers have disappeared and never been heard from again.
Blaine returns from one expedition having encountered an intelligence that looks like a large pink blob sitting immobile in a room open to the sky. The blob greets him telepathically with the message ‘Hi pal! I trade with you my mind’. Blaine immediately feels the alien mind alongside his own.” (my italics)
Not bad for pre-‘Stargate’ and Remote Viewing reveals! I wonder who Simak knew…
(The blob alien turned out to be a paranormal visitor to many star civilizations, giving and receiving [trading] a ‘copy’ of his mind and each individual’s mind whom he met. Blaine ‘inherited’ a copy of the sum of the blob’s personal memory AND each of the individuals with-whom the blob had traded minds. Talk about Too Much Information!)
Thanks Goshawks, need to check out that book.
So much to learn.
I don’t have a science background, so for me this is a great discussion… one of the best. db
Speed of light may not be relevant if we live in a computer civilisation. You just hack the code and then you can have instant movement to wherever your thoughts / request to the matrix may ask of it. And talking about thoughts, remote viewing does not seem to be limited by time or speed. It’s in the transhumanist – technological “physical projection” world – where limits appear to be.
Where would one get the energy to power a force field in some sort of spacecraft?
Would that field be as strong as the ones depicted in Sci-Fi movies and TV series like “Star Trek”?
Where’s the beef? How would that kind of energy be generated even in something the size of “Star Trek’s Enterprise”?
Well as someone once calculated, there is enough energy in a light bulb to boil the entirety of earth’s oceans (It was either Carl Sagan or the, infinitely better, in my opionion, Richard Feynman … or actually, maybe both :D). Anyhow, we’re talking “zero point energy”, of course, so if we can figure out how to extract that then bob’s your uncle. Of course, somebody may have done that already but we may never know for a few hundred years or so.
Weren’t the shields(force fields) protecting the vessel in Star Trek, as well as the warp engines, powered by dilithium crystals?
scotty gave it all she’s got captain. the dilithium crystals can’t take it anymore!
I don’t know, honestly. When the Enterprise, say warps off into the universe, you don’t normally see the shields raised … as far as I know. I’m not really a big Star Trek fan, though. I like the original Star Trek because it’s fun, and … well … Shatner, and Nimoy etc … but I never got on with the other Star Trek series … so someone else may be able to inform you of the whole shield thing.
Assuming you can get a warp drive to work at just light speed, that still puts the nearest star at 4+ years distance. While still a vast improvement, it still makes the trip virtually impossible. The only practical way to travel interstellar distances is to fold space and make the trip instantaneously. You could then breach the distances between galaxies. I believe we are limited to our own solar system until we can do that. This means we are not much of a threat to those who can travel in said manner. Inter dimensional travel is another matter, could we even exist in corporeal form in higher dimensions?
who exactly proved that light speed is a limit?
and i’m arguing about my patented scifi fantasy being imminently more practical than yours?
doesn’t plasma coming off the sun accelerates faster as it gets farther?
I don’t actually believe it to be a limit,; nor do I believe it to be the same speed in every medium; similar to the speed of sound. Despite all our acquired knowledge, we still have a great deal to learn. As Miles Mathis has pointed out, some of our math is suspect and needs to be reexamined for its correctness. Just why this is so adamantly opposed by mainstream physicists is a mystery to me.
If we do manage to be able to go at such speeds, how would we navigate at those speeds. How would we not drive through stars, planets, asteroids, other spaceships? How would we manage to stop in time without going past our destination by light years? I guess with quantum computers and instantaneous folding and unfolding of space, this might become child’s play. But until then, even though I would love to travel to other star systems etc, I think I might just hang around on earth until the technology has been developed … unless it has, already, somewhere …
i’d hold out for time machines first
Why not just use the time machine as a method of space travel. Position yourself accordingly and time your arrival date to coincide with the arrival of a planet moving through space.
Anyone who watched the movie Paul knows time travel is relatively easy. Just stand on one side of a time zone and jump to the other. In one sense, it is time travel.
Yep … well I’m working on a time machine as we speak. Have been for umpteen years. Although only got so far as having a clock here on my workbench, as of yet. However, apart from jumping from one time zone to another, you can always close your eyes and go to sleep. You wake up in another time. Hey presto etc etc !!!!!
Moving forward in time is easy, in a sense. Moving backward is the real pain in the neck!!
And yeah the whole rotation of the earth could be a real pain in the derriere if you don’t factor it in. But like I say with quantum computers, that would probably be a doddle … or a doddle and a half 🙂
ps there’s Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow ….
Ummm aren’t the supposed higher dimensions extremely small and folded up on themselves? I suppose it depends on whether theories like the standard model, or string theory etc are correct, and I suppose it depends on your definition of dimensions e.g are dimensions other universes or just like in geometry, 1d, 2d, 3d etc each being an offshoot of the previous as it were …
Hey paraschtick, our fellow Kiwi in Aotearoa.
I’m responding to you here in response to your reply to me further down in this trail. It won’t allow me to respond to you directly (an unfortunate limitation of this website).
Your “Ummm … swallow … gulp etc …” regarding the CHC earthquakes, I’m glad I got you thinking!
You may remember that it was reported at the time that the movement of the quake(s) was unusual. Combined with the shady Israelis (remember them in court? One of them continuously trying to hide his face while the other sat there like a stunned mullet? And then they get whisked out of the country?) got me suspicious. Perhaps completely wrongly, but none the less.
The comments made by anakephalaiosis, zendogbreath and gowshawks reminded me of those quakes, and any possible connection if their speculation is true. This is the site for high-octane speculation after all.
And there’s this, I did look this up at the time before posting the comment.
When was the first fully operational cycle for the LHC? Answer: 2010-2013.
Matches up with the CHC quakes.
It was then shut down for “upgrades” and the 2nd run was between 2015-2018.
When were the Wellington and Kaikaura quakes? Answer: 2016.
Not saying anything conclusive here, just observation.
Perhaps should try to correlate other quakes on the ring-of-fire with LHC operational cycles, a pattern may emerge.
I’m going to add a few items to your list of Kiwiana:
#8 fencing wire, that cute Kiwi bird, hoki-poki ice cream, fush&chups (wrapped in a newspaper of course) and lastly (but not least) Freemasonry.
(BetelgeuseT-1, on your inability to post below paraschtick due to no “Reply” button below him/her: If you ‘backtrack’ up the page to the last shown “Reply” button [ironically, below your last BetelgeuseT-1 comment] and click on that one, it will post below paraschtick’s comment. Not indented any further; just below it. Same in principle for any extended comment stream; just backtrack to the last visible “Reply” button and click…)
Ah, ok, thanks for that!
if redshifts are proof enough that this idea works then i’m thinkin these folk haven’t read much halton arp?
I think that ‘we’ (the shadow gov’t or SSP) have been given Antigravity, but not a Warp Drive. That would account for the increasing proliferation of ‘triangular UFO’ sightings over the past few decades. They have been reported to be able to soundlessly hover, and have demonstrated the accelerations that being inertia-free would enable. That would give ‘us’ (the shadow gov’t or SSP) the ability to easily get payloads into earth-orbit or to the planets (Mars bases, etc.). The stars would still be unreachable; this is understandable for those aliens looking down at the antics of the earth-creatures… (Unless this is a technology-blockade of Enlil & Enki and offspring, who may have lost certain critical knowledge & capabilities over the millennia…)
They all degenerated into ‘cannibals’ if they stayed ‘race pure’ or if they saw that the daughters of blablabla were fair, then they turned into us…However.. those who stayed ‘race pure’ didnt consider us as the same species so it was just like eating monkeys. So it wasnt cannibalism.. it was survival. Everything Im reading seems to point to some “technology being broken” moment..I’d like to discuss Tower of Babel with you some day coming from a maybe this getting broken was about the same time that the pyramid stopped transmitting moment.. Im wondering if the Birdmen and Snake god were emblems for two opposing factions.. This is a nice compliation of American Indian tales of White man eating Giants. https://www.theepochtimes.com/ancient-race-of-white-giants-described-in-native-legends-from-many-tribes_1871411.html
Yeah, that would be a great discussion!
I am currently leaning toward a kind of ‘combo’ breakdown. It is obvious from several places around the world that work-in-progress just stopped and people walked away from various projects. The question is whether it was just a ‘power failure’, or people lost the ability to use a relevant ‘psychic ability’.
One combo thought I have been mulling-over is concerning the concept behind the Indian yuga ages. If the era was descending in consciousness, some enlightened folks may not have gone quietly into the night. They may have worked-out some way to artificially ‘boost’ or ‘retain’ consciousness higher than the ambient yuga level. If so, this may have worked for some time. Ultimately, it was overwhelmed or broke down (or the ‘holders’ died off). So, you would have had artificially-retained ‘abilities’ until – all of a sudden – you didn’t…
Another level of this thinking involves the Hundredth Monkey process. Most people don’t get that it probably works both ways: learning new things and forgetting old things. We usually hear about all of a group ‘inheriting’ a new ability when a certain critical mass of that group learns that ability. However, it may work to the downside, too. If a certain critical mass of that group forgets/loses an ability, all of that group may forget/lose that ability – including psychic abilities. (This might actually be at the ‘core’ or ‘root’ of the ascending or descending Indian yuga ages…)
not sure i buy the hundredth monkey scenario. there are aspects of it that hold but not that psychic momentary flip. mom’s do teach their babies and change does come in weird ways. just not that weird. maybe more like anachronistally?
read more than a few accounts of that monkey’s on the beach with sweet potatoes rinsed of sand while japanese scientists watch story that debunked the sudden conceptual shift.
think change comes more subtly and simply than that. seen it for years in work and school. visual copying and modeling of successful individuals is one of most common learning techniques. copycatting. it gets crazy covert when individual being copied is disliked by any and/or all of the group.
ZDB, the Hundredth Monkey process, like many others, involves Consciousness – in this case, group consciousness or group mind. I have done much research, external and internal, on this subject and am absolutely convinced that there are aspects of us that go WAY beyond just physical concerns. We are WAY beyond simple meat-bags. So to me, the Hundredth Monkey process is just one subset of a larger field (sorry). You might check out Rupert Sheldrake’s research on what he calls Morphogenic Fields; a similar process more ‘science-ized’ than HM. (And I believe that the ‘Japanese scientists’ would find-out what they wanted to find-out, just like skeptic Michael Shermer always does…)
The universe is much more ‘fluid’ than we think. For instance, I like books. I walk into a bookstore, go to the relevant section, and look for a particular book I desire. Quick sweep, then detailed search. If not there, I turn around and leave. But a few times, I get a “look again” hint after I have started leaving. There is the desired book, right in the area which I have just searched in detail. So, I pick it up, say “Thank you,” and head off to the cashier. The universe is much more ‘fluid’ than it appears to Materialist-Oriented humanity…
understood and agreed gosh. by personal experience. i remember reading and seeing those scientists feeding sweet potatoes on the beach were a bad example of what we’re talking about here. i think they were kinda doing a reverse thing the way alex jones does.
at any rate, i got sheldrake copies here and plan on getting to him soon. he’s influenced and influencing more and more of us. in a good way. reminds me. have you looked at eileen d mckusick much yet? biofields. will let ya know when i get more than reading into it.
On Eileen Day McKusick and her ‘Biofield Tuning’, I have not yet studied her. (Thanks.) I have had incidents (anecdotal) where I have been intuitively-called to hum or produce a certain sound-note. It was important to move up and down in pitch/volume/tone until some ‘perfect’ point was reached, and then hold it. Sometimes, I knew what it was for; sometimes not. Sound does have a power in our chakras and auric fields…
Two questions can the scientific community prove that dark energy and dark matter exist. And is the universe really expanding and what really powers the Sun this paper is eight years old just wondering what they have discovered in the meantime and are they just sitting on the warp drive for now? The paper confirms that interplanetary and interstellar go together.
This puts us one step closer to another “Tower of Babel” moment. God, or the gods, or “our genetic cousins” (take your pick) can’t have us accomplishing whatever we set our minds to do; especially in our current belligerent, profit driven, war minded state. We would be the Klingon or Forengi of the local area. We are far from the socialist utopia portrayed in Star Trek.
There is still Ben Rich’s cryptic statement that “we found an error in the equations” and that suspected secret space program to consider. What we are not being told would, no doubt, fill volumes.
Amazing that I thought of Ben Rich’s quote when reading Dr. Farrell’s comments and then whoop! your confirmation of my brain fart!
Seriously given Rich Dolan’s hypothesis of a “breakaway civilization” we must run articles like this through the possibility the physics have already been mastered and we (breakaway civ) have machines capable of “warp drive”.
Just a song before I go
A lesson to be learned
Traveling twice the speed of light
It’s easy to get burned…
At “warp” speeds its easy to get burned… oops, smashed by a rock at an extremely high velocity. Oh, they will be able to detect incoming debris? Sure they will. I am not convinced.
At super luminous velocities, even molecules of gas would be quite erosive, a small pebble would be catastrophic. If that “bubble” doesn’t move any debris out of your way, it will be a very short trip into oblivion.
come on you guys. haven’t you heard of buckaroo bonzai?
Umm … it’s … ummm … “buckaroo banzai”!!! I think “buckaroo bonzai” might be something else … ;D
The first question I had to ask.. was.. are these guys serious?
Well they seem to think that they are..
Just going to keep on saying it.. Lightspeed isnt a limit and there’s no dark matter.
Wait a minute… They say that breaksthroughs at the LHC may hold the key.. didnt Dr F just blog about Cern throwing all their data out?
I’ve believed for years that there is no dark matter. I think there are serious errors in the equations because all the evidence for dark matter has come from computer models, as far as I’m aware. People say that “so-and-so” proves dark matter from how galaxies are moving or whatever (being super-vague here … which just happens to be my super power) … but it seems to me that dark matter is a mathematical construct to make the “equations” work. Otherwise, scientists would be up &^%@ creek without a paddle. Just my layman’s view, of course …
actaully p, that was the original argument. the equations didn’t work so there was a big unaccountable variable in the equations – i know. let’s call it dark matter. kinda like claiming there’s a planet out there we haven’t seen yet because we can tell buy current gravity and orbital calculations that we’re missing something. only there is no planet. dark matter is not.
had an argument with a brand new theoretical physicist phd couple years ago. told her bout thunderbolts.info. rolled her eyes then claimed these theories were all proven already. electric universe is a lark. asked her where her empirical observations were. out there in nature? in a lab? eu adherents have both. and they’re all scalable. she countered that she had them. the ran computer simulations all the time. stared her down. she walked out frustrated. that was last time we talked on such matters.
1. Universe does NOT expand, it “folds” its wings. Two-dimensional representation is the notorious pancake, that “folds off” at the edge.
2. Every object has a “photographic negative” in aether, and those negatives attract, like mini black holes. Negative shape is a “coffin”.
3. Two spinning wheels, counter rotating on same axis, create an artificial bubble, outside time and space, in a CERN-sandwich.
4. A “thought” is a natural bubble, and therefore the process of thinking is warp drive in mental realm. Thoughts have wings.
5. Conception, fall, death and resurrection in microcosm is a Pyramid cycle, and quintessentially, that is deified in God.
Christianity is more, than one thinks it is. Everything is explained in Genesis. Hallelujah. Hark the angels.
a. not sure why but i always smile when i read your bit.
so where is the opposite side of the planet from cern? when is darpa putting an lhc there going in the opposite spin?
man, you got a serious reading list.
You got my curiosity going: CERN is at lat 46.233832398 deg N, long 6.053166454 deg E. The opposite side of the planet from CERN is lat 46.233832398 deg S, long 173.9468336 deg W.
This puts the antipodes point in the Pacific Ocean, between the east coast of the South Island of New Zealand and the Chatham Islands. If you take the distance between the two main cities of the South Island, Christchurch and Dunedin, as one leg of an equilateral triangle, swing equal-length legs out from those two cities. Where those legs swing-together is approximately the opposite side of the planet from CERN.
As New Zealand is located along the Ring of Fire (a direct result of plate tectonics) any possible ‘forces’ from CERN would impact a sensitive area of the Earth’s crust…
wonder if they already put an accelerator under water there – spinning opposite to cern of course.
Again, from the movie Contact.
Remember how the first machine got destroyed by the white-haired loony with a bomb (hmmm, how did HE get in there like that….wink, wink), but it turns out a 2nd, identical machine had been secretly built in Hokkaido, Japan? How did S. R. Hadden put it again as to where all that money came from? Something along the lines of “if you rip off the system to the extend as is done, you can build two for the price of one”. Don’t quote me on the exact thing he said.
The same – in reality – could apply to other things, including the LHC.
So perhaps again, Carl Sagan (or someone) is trying to tell us something.
Goshawks, interesting observation.
Perhaps the Christchurch earthquakes had something to do with it. I live in New Zealand, and that quake (or quakes) never sat comfortable with me, mainly due to the unusual characteristics, especially the 2nd one in 2011.
It was almost as if something was being tested. Combine that with some shady Israelis that got flushed out (and then whisked out of the country, never to be heard from again), and the red flag went up for me.
Ummm … swallow … gulp etc … I live in NZ too. I was in Christchurch when the big quakes happened. Soo … that’s a thing.
I have read various conspiracy theories about the quake, and other things related to it. I’ve been around a bit, and I know that some things are not what they seem but the earthquakes were probably just earthquakes. Although in this day, you really can’t say for sure so I will always have a few toes on that side of the fence.
I’ve also heard that very rich people think that NZ is one of the safest countries in the world and are buying properties out here, just in case. Not too sure how that fits in with the whole thing regarding the NZ government not letting people overseas buy house properties in NZ anymore. But then again, I don’t really watch NZ news so I don’t really know more than that.
Still … the All Blacks, Flight of the Conchords, Sam Neill, New Zealand lamb etc … 😀
Not to mention Revelations…
It is unlikely that the galaxies are accelerating apart.
There are huge problems with the “red shift” hypothese of Special Relativity.
Therefore no, Dark Matter does NOT exist.
The Casimir Effect can be explained as yet another confirmation on an aether.
Note how the bubble in White’s experiment and hypotheses disengages the object in the bubble from inertial effects–very much suggesting that inertia comes from an aether.
this is kinda scary. with what i can get, i’m agreeing with you lost. show me dark matter in a lab and then we’ll talk – or rather i’ll listen more. meanwhile, watch some basic plasma lab work and be amazed at how well it scales up at all levels right to the galactic and beyond. mr2tuff2 on youtube and the saphire project on thunderbolts.info are 2 good starting points.
btw, i’d also like to see a few black holes in the lab too.
Very interesting read. What immediately popped out re: the Casimir effect are the effects of gravity and the attraction/repulsion of magnetism/electromagnetism (some argue they are one and the same). Even if the experiment is conducted in a zero point vacuum these local effects cannot be nullified.
yep. that was my first thought. if 99+% of the universe is plasma (sorry dark energy adherants), then how exactly is electromag cancelled out?
btw basta, the model i’ve been able to kinda picture is that gravity is a side effect of electromag. zat make an sense in terms of better working models?
zdb you brought up Arp’s view elsewhere and I agree with him and think at this point the Standard Model is a dead man walking. Way too many wild theories and fudging all over the place going on to get it to hold together, and the occasional remarks from the aerospace black ops guys who are actually building hardware back that up (“errors in the equations,” etc.) .
Interstellar space is clearly not a thin gruel void and rather is highly energetic (EM) and there obviously is all that missing mass/energy, but that just upends the SM apple cart because for whatever reason EM is anathema to them (the overtones of religious zealotry is purposeful) and so it can’t be acknowledged and instead you get Dark Energy and Dark Mass and lots of Harry Potter nonsense.
Call it plasma, the aether (aka the deep-sixed Maxwell EM equations), scalar physics or the Electric Universe model or some other variant, they’re all much more logical and convincing and don’t have to rely on making up stuff to explain the “missing” 93% of the universe with the unprovable as you go. And there are masses of “anomalies” proving that this background energy can and does leak into systems that ignore this, from miscalculated thermonuclear yields to weird overspill effects in electrical substations, and on and on. JPF does a very good job cataloguing and analyzing them in his books. Clearly there are lots of learned useful idiots in play and a few gatekeepers as well, mainly to keep the vast potential of “overunity” energy safely hidden away and to keep humanity locked in the highly profitable burn-stuff-for-energy paradigm.
Yes I think basically gravity is an EM effect–for proof just look at gravity maps of earth’s surface and how wildly it fluctuates depending on the subsurface concentrations of various minerals (hello!) or the whole fiasco of early NASA trying to find a working lunar orbit and losing probe after probe because the moon’s gravity didn’t fit the calculations.
As to warp drives, I doubt they’ll ever be viable and that ultimately there are two ways to travel in space–short range (intra solar system) via antigravity tech which “we” clearly already have, and instantaneous intergalactic travel by harnessing entanglement and perhaps consciousness itself, the ultimate joker in the deck.
Traveling the cosmos via consciousness is mentioned in the Emerald book of Thoth. That seemed to be his preferred method of getting around. It would seem we have been steadily de-evolving rather than evolving since the original Adam and Eve. We have apparently lost the use of a number of abilities we once used regularly and at some point even our life spans were curtailed quite a bit.
i’m looking to aggregate ideas i’ve scrounged around that together get me better models. so far as i can tell, the electric universe model (tesla, arp, birkeland, thornhill,….) makes sense as we can so far understand it. then i read doc and daily bell on the nazi bell and other apparently old black ops and think hmmm, what are the odds that we’re talking about two completely different unrelated techs (and breakaways)?
WD there’s much evidence already that harnessing consciousness overcomes all the physical constraints, just look at all the well-documented cases of astral projection and out-of-body-experiences — and even near-death experiences — so yes it’s entirely viable, though actually bringing physical stuff with you (to, say, colonize another solar system) ain’t gonna happen, so TPTB want something like warp drives. But I agree that humanity is in such a degraded state thanks to McDonald’s and chemtrails and fluoride etc. that it’s near impossible that it can be done in any fashion that resembles the accounts of the ancients.
zdb I think all these “alternative” EM-based models share a common root understanding which makes them viable, which is ultimately the toroidal nature of EM fields, which scales up from simple dipoles of charged particles to planets and stars and solar systems to galaxies and doubtless ultimately to the structure of the entire universe itself. The good ole recursive universe if you will; the structure is elaborated across scale but remains the same. The bell for example fits in because it generates its effects from the counter-rotation of heavy metallic liquids supercharged with energy which create a local anomaly that harnesses the effects of these same toroidal structures by putting them in extreme opposition. And voila, you have antigravity. You see the same thing happening in plasma fields in the Electric Universe model with the revelation that the ancient “stick man” pictograms actually represent plasma toroids. The human aura and the brain as its locus is another toroidal EM field. And on and on.
basta, there’s gotta be a clear and easy blend between the high tech how do we get that approach and the low tech available to everyman with the working knowledge approach. ed leedskalnin gives me faith. how to we get the everyman version of the EU model to work for us and enough of us for it to be ridiculous to continue to suppress? and how do we apply it in a productive, discreet, subtle, safe, ….aka positive way?
ZDB, Edward Leedskalnin is the perfect example to confound the skeptics. All you have to do is point at pictures of Ed (tiny) and Coral Castle, and the skeptics have a problem. Unlike minuscule psychic effects, there are multi-ton constructs which are impossible to nay-say. Thanks, Ed…
I think that Ed having been born in Riga, Latvia, is a big clue. Those areas had not yet thrown-out mysticism and shamanism (higher faculties and beings). Personally, I don’t think Ed did his ‘work’ with gadgets; I think he found a way to utilize higher faculties or helpers (with or without token gadgets).