“HMMM…”: DNA BANKS AND EPIGENETIC MEMORY
If you're new here, one thing you quickly learn about this website is that we Gizars love to make connections and indulge in "high octane speculation," and today is a classic case in point. And if you're new here, the other thing you'll also learn is that the blogs that appear on this site are to some extent "community driven" from the articles that people share. Because of that, every now and then people share articles which, while not becoming the subject of the blog, relate to other articles, and it's that link - howsoever tenuous - that becomes the subject of the blog. And that's the case today when Mr. V. T. sent along this article:
Research: Enough DNA samples will be collected to match every American
...and Mr. J.B. sent along this article from phys.org:
Study documents paternal transmission of epigenetic memory via sperm
Over the years I've speculated that there were hidden reasons for the human genome project, and one of my main "high octane speculations" has been that "they" are looking for "something," and that "something" has ranged the whole spectrum, from DNA confirmations of "ancient dynastic bloodlines" to a potential search to find any "genetic cousins" who may be living among us, i.e., for persons who look, walk, and act human, but whose DNA might be indicative of "same genus, different species." It would be, I have argued, a logical thing to do if one were in such a position of power, and if one took certain passages of the Old Testament or ancient Mesopotamian lore seriously, and looked at them with "scientific" spectacles. And it's that context which made these two articles catch my eye.
From the first article, there is this:
DNA researchers are making a big prediction. In just a few years, they'll have enough DNA samples to match every person in the country. That's even if you've never taken one of those ancestry DNA tests.
This is all thanks to those ancestry test kits. If someone’s relative takes the test, enough information is provided for scientists to link to you.
"Yes, eventually everyone's going to be traceable through DNA," says Itsik Pe’er, an associate professor at Columbia University.
It also means solving crimes could get a lot easier. Police have already started taking DNA from unknown suspects and comparing it to DNA databases.
That information can lead to a match to a suspect’s relative.
"People want to connect to their long-lost second, third, fourth cousins and find those matches,” says Pe’er. “The flip side of that is that, yeah, investigators can find those matches due to DNA that have been sitting in these warehouses for decades."
Now, in a world where cloning is already happening, and human cloning is just around the corner (if indeed it has not already secretly happened), this raises some intriguing high octane speculations of its own, not the least of which is Ira Levin's Boys from Brazil scenario: with enough data, one might be able to genetically engineer almost anyone from "scratch" so to speak, including perhaps individuals from the past, given a sample of their DNA, or - as this article points out - enough DNA of an individual's close relatives. Of course, before we crawl right off the end of the twig, it's also worth recalling that in Levin's famous novel, the mad doctor Mengele's efforts to clone Adolf Hitler back into existence backfire, as one of the young Adolfs turns out not to be too interested in world domination and mass murder. The lesson is a restatement of St John of Damascus' prescient warning: person and nature are not the same thing. Identical twins - or clones - may have the same or nearly identical DNA, but are still different persons.
But that lesson takes us immediately to the second article, and this intriguing observation:
Studies of human populations and animal models suggest that a father's experiences such as diet or environmental stress can influence the health and development of his descendants. How these effects are transmitted across generations, however, remains mysterious.
Susan Strome's lab at UC Santa Cruz has been making steady progress in unraveling the mechanisms behind this phenomenon, using a tiny roundworm called Caenorhabditis elegans to show how marks on chromosomes that affect gene expression, called "epigenetic" marks, can be transmitted from parents to offspring. Her team's most recent paper, published October 17 in Nature Communications, focuses on transmission of epigenetic marks by C. elegans sperm.
In addition to documenting the transmission of epigenetic memory by sperm, the new study shows that the epigenetic information delivered by sperm to the embryo is both necessary and sufficient to guide proper development of germ cells in the offspring (germ cells give rise to eggs and sperm).
Epigenetic changes do not alter the DNA sequences of genes, but instead involve chemical modifications to either the DNA itself or the histone proteins with which DNA is packaged in the chromosomes. These modifications influence gene expression, turning genes on or off in different cells and at different stages of development. The idea that epigenetic modifications can cause changes in gene expression that are transmitted from one generation to the next, known as "transgenerational epigenetic inheritance," is now the focus of intense scientific investigation.
This may require some unpacking. In the past decade or so, it has become increasingly evident to geneticists that the "genetic code" in and of itself does not contain "all the information" to create some individual organism. There was something "beyond" or "above" that code - hence the term "epigenetic" - acting as a kind of information field that also played a role, and that this left its traces on how the purely material and chemical interactions of individual DNA expressed itself. And apparently that is manifest or transmitted paternally. Needless to say, this casts an entirely different light on my speculations that "they" might be "looking for something", for evidently, they are looking for a precise understanding of this epigenetic memory and its transmission. That memory is nothing less than how DNA responds to its environment, including such non-material factors such as "stress."
So let's collectively crawl out to the end of the twig once again, and speculate. Suppose that they discover through much experiment how to reproduce those environmental factors and to recreate a specific epigenetic memory. Once again, Ira Levin's Boys from Brazil scenario comes to mind, for again, his fictional mad doctor Mengele trying to clone Adolf Hitler did not stop with the merely physical cloning of the Fuehrer's DNA. Levin's Mengele also sought to recreate the environment in which Hitler grew up: doting mothers spoiling their sons, a lower-middle class managerial type father given to manifestations of brutality and drunken fits of rage, and so on.
All of which might be an indicator that, indeed, "they" might be "looking" for "something," or perhaps better put, for "someone."
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Boys from Brazil didn’t send little hitler to London for some right royal (rothschilds) suite (not sweet) room 101 treatment for some stress related epigenetic exercises.
All girl families can relate to Pyrole Disorder.
Epigenetics relates to methylation status. Methyl regulates the density of histone tails which regulates protein synthesis. Neurotransmitter uptake proteins are determine despite , int he case of undermethylation, too much of everything.
(hitler and mussolini were on Meth. as were a significant number of D-Day super troopers)
Even 23andme do not give you ALL the genomes. They are being suspiciously selective. 23andme stopped doing reports (they just give you the raw data) at the same time they stopped taking customers from NY. One wonders if that is an exclusion, or an exemption.
Former PM Helen Clark looked a lot like the Adolf Merkel’s of this world. The 4th Rich (sic) is alive and well.
Catch22: The frankist belief that the world must be totally evil and then the Messiah will arrive. But first you need an evil messiah to make the world that bad.
Gilad Atzmon’s Zion A-Z Catch22 : Free ham.
Good observations – pyroluria is just a facet of parts of the methylation cycle breaking down and all girl families that are the hallmark of said disorder are just symptomatic of the DNA breakdown, hence I speculate all girl families as being signs of the last generations in that bloodline and is commensurate with the harmonic series.
Live Wello is a good source to get more data, Sterling report. I would use self decode with caution. The good doctor is correct though, those websites are being datamined by the military but when quality of life is so low it is worth the trade off. I would do it a million times over….if you are well then it’s a silly thing to do.
AP article – https://apnews.com/308188da734f404e9c2aa5988dd5ba74
“Each person in a DNA database acts “as a beacon that illuminates hundreds of distant relatives,” said Erlich, who is also chief scientific officer of the MyHeritage website.”
Astrology comes to my mind as to the position of the planets when you are born. Wouldn’t that be hard too reproduce?
Our planet earth is going through major changes right now along with different frequencies, changing human evolution – we each play a part. Could those different frequencies be beneficial to human kind? Where all humanity gets the 100’th monkey kind of upload at once.
Longevity. They want the immortal gene FIRST and once they “own” it they control everyone who wants to live Methuselah type life spans.
Whichever group gets it first controls all the other groups who want it. All the bankster rich RobberChildFellas will do anything to prevent death. They fear something but not of this world.
(One thing I love about genetic/DNA blogs is that there is so much to speculate upon. And it is not abstract stuff; it involves Us!)
My first thought is that to learn about someone’s/something’s motives, you have to put yourself in their shoes. If we take “certain passages of the Old Testament or ancient Mesopotamian lore seriously,” and I would include ancient Indian Vedic lore in that pot, we get a species that once ruled local space. Then, something happened. Sumerian lore seems to slant towards civil war; Indian Vedic lore could be taken as civil war or interstellar war between two species.
Whatever happened, it “de-weapon-ed” and “de-facility-ed” Earth-based remnants. They either were left alone or in hostile space. I am presuming that they had no manufacturing base to repair or repower hi-tech gadgets which went bad over time. And even if long-lived, their born-in-space ancestors likely aged out. So, their ‘knowledge base’ diminished generation by generation. Their situation was dire…
The big question is whether ‘they’ had DNA-preservation capability – and whether there were no ‘accidents’ to this facility over the millennia. (If this was a family-based civil war, destroying your opponent’s gene bank might have been a priority.) Based on the frantic rush to collect DNA as soon as the technology to manipulate-it matured, I suspect NOT…
I am guessing that ‘they’ are trying to assemble the equivalent of the mammoth. (Geneticists picked the closest living species to the mammoth, which is elephants. Then, they collected all the surviving mammoth DNA they could find. Next, they decided to substitute ‘distinctive’ mammoth DNA into equivalent stretches of elephant DNA. You would end up with not a clone but a close cousin to the mammoth.) This would explain the worldwide search for ‘variations’ in human DNA.
And getting back to the article, have ‘they’ realized that simple DNA substitution is not enough? To get back to a close approximation of their ancestors, epigenetic matching may be just as important…
I’d like to add the following. This is a story that might have been covered here in the past but I’m new [hi!].
This article discusses the DNA changes in Astronaut Scott Kelly who by complete accident had a twin which made it incredibly easy to compare DNA changes upon Mr Kelly’s return back to Earth. The story indicates drastic changes in the epigenetic code. His DNA didn’t actually change but started to express differently. One story I read indicated that the astronauts telomeres were lengthened which indicates a longer life potential. How long, who knows? Does this provide a mechanism for the longevity of Methuselah?
The thing that jumps out at me though is that me when reading this that what “they” may be looking for may not be available currently because of the environment we are in. It is not conducive to the legendary humans. Change the environment regime and change the properties of our DNA. We don’t become different species but become humanly different. The very big differences in environments of the Kelly twin show this epigenetic divergence can happen very rapidly. There are 3 forces that may be at play from my perspective that could influence this change: gravity, cosmic rays and a different plasma regime at the higher altitude away from the surface of the Earth. The third is the most intriguing in my view. If changes in our plasma regime alter our DNA, could this possibly explain the sudden, perplexing and unexplained explosion of speciation at different periods in the fossil records. This may show a mechanism and explain why DNA could change drastically in times of plasma regime change but stay stable as the plasma regime around the planet stays stable. Thanks for the article!
The state alchemists creation of the philosopher stone marches on. Paid for by their soon to be victims us whatever future they are planning pray they don’t succeed for if they do god help us.
Sins of the fathers…
You could find out the person whose ancestors were once space faring etc. You could play with the switches that turn genes off and on, what switches speed genes up or down – it’s a very fine symphony. From those notes one could make inferences about the type of environment those bloodlines came from.
However, easy to say do not get DNA tested when youve never been really unrecoverably ill. DNA testing, intense analysis of your genes and adding in the remedies is the only way you will ever get better and have full control over your health. Quality of life is higher on the principles list than the consequences I’m afraid. To an autistic person it’s the difference of having your voice and not having it. Try swimming in a world where normal verbal communication is not open to you.
brings to mind a couple ideas. first kinda bothers me a little since my close personal friends at yt thought i’d like to see this
www youtube com/watch?v=fktQZiGH-nw
not sure why that thinking of nephalim got me thinking of goshawks here but,…
another point comes to mind is how it’s totally legal for law enforcement to lie to suspects and how accuracy and effectiveness of fingerprint tech has always been vastly overestimated. as much or more so than lie detector tech.
www youtube com/watch?v=vM1QgwaKv4s
www youtube com/watch?v=nyDMoGjKvNk
what a surprise that francis galton came up with more and more of consensus science we believed all our lives.
doc, the epigenetic aspect of this post is what caught my eye most. it gets me going a few different directions. there are plenty articles written on the dutch winter babies and their pregnant mothers starved by both sides during ww2. francis pottenger researched a great deal on cats establishing that epigenetic damage in 5 generations of chronic misfeeding ends a genetic line in the 5th gen. more importantly that epigenetic damage of that sort takes 5 generations of good food to recover from.
they (whoever that is) do seem to be hunting frantically for something or someone. the frantic nature makes me wonder. one would hope they’re smart enough through how many generations of manipulation to be doing more than an effort at groundhog day. after all, how many times do they need to repeat history to realize that repeating history isn’t very difficult?
so are they looking for a qwizatz haderach?
i’m guessing they’re a little smarter if not wiser than that.
www youtube com/watch?v=wTfVkazZbAI
or maybe we’re just seeing another reptilian looking for their next not so smart but crazy high intensity scapegoat
meanwhile i gotta think we’re better off considering the aether aspect of our nature. eileen mckusick has some wild good stuff on how much our memory’s stored in our biofield and transmitted instantly over huge distances. have had a chance yet to study much of rupert sheldrake’s ideas on morphogenetic fields.
did anyone notice that the nephilim in that giant video is pale skinned with dark red hair? talk about some epigenetic, genetic and cultural questions. how long lived are such folks? where do they breed and grow? how? who? language? knowledge? are they who finished off neanderthals?
Really interesting re the food and cat research. Thanks Zen. Makes you realise why there is such a panic to control the food supply, you’re not just ending lives you’re ending entire bloodlines. I also wonder whether all girl families are symptomatic of that end product of 5th generation.
Needless to say, even if you are interested in ancestry, NEVER submit a DNA sample to one of those research companies, whatever claims they make about data protection. Just stick to old-fashioned records-based geneaology, for which huge databases are now available.
Too late for me. I succumbed ! I was in search of my long lost great maternal grandparents and took the test with FTDNA. I haven’t found them, but I found out more about my muddled heritage, so much so that I’m left with more questions than answers. sigh …
Seek and Ye shall find.
The problem is that one blinds himself/herself to other factors.
Be careful what you wish for.
The lesson is that what you seek hasn’t really been drilled down enough to translate into an acceptable answer; because the answer begs the question.
[Whoever “they” are; they’re not human enough.]
Eventually, everyone will be frameable through DNA.
[It works for those using it to frame: whoever is in their crosshairs.]
One of the culprits here is:
Between entropy & organized is another universal battlefield; a yingyang matrix.
Yingyang thought arranges knowledge into a simple, integrated, and flexible pattern, which can be applied to an extremely wide range of phenomena.
The question then is in the concept of organized; what is the law. I say this, because this is a paramount process in the elixir of life. But are there counter-organized fields that factor into this zero sum yingyang balance?
Ah, the hidden hand of “elite” families, most of us have never heard of, looking for the one they can present to the world as the “messiah” to lead their NWO. If you can’t find him, maybe you can create him via the “Boys from Brazil” scenario. The culmination of an ancient plan. A far fetched idea, most certainly.
They have come close many times, but the technology did not exist to make it stick. Maybe they think they have it now.
I think I mentioned a while ago where I went to Rosslyn Chapel’s* door, strode around a mile through the village of Roslin, and ended up at the genetics facility that produced the ‘Dolly the Sheep’ clone. That was when I knew something was up concerning certain hidden Powers and ‘resurrecting’…
* Two stories about RC: Before RC was built, there was a fire in the castle of the Templar chief holding that area, a St. Clair (now Sinclair). He was grief stricken, thinking that he had lost certain important ‘treasures’. When a monk of the caste showed up with the two huge trunks he had saved, St. Clair was ecstatic. Second, the foundations/catacombs below RC took as much time to build as the above-ground structure…
Why do we have to refer to fiction? Even Der Spegiel had a front page cover article that Frau ‘Mutti’ Merkel is Herr Hitler’s genetic Doctor. And she certainly is a megalomaniac intent on the destructive of Germany just like her dear old Dad was. I find Dunkirk, refuse to capture Moscow although you had beaten the Russian defenses, Stalingrad, the attack at Kursk even though the Germans knew the Russians had discovered their plans, and lastly fighting to the last child in defense of Berlin ~ I find all these very anti-German and explicit deceits to destroy the German race. And the Russian race for that matter, the white race in general. Only a Jew like Hitler could devise and execute such a diabolical scheme. Or Wait, or his daughter Merkel in importing millions of black males to rape all the German women and destroy the German culture.
Maenads always go for the head of Pentheus in the Bacchae.
For that reason, man spearheads nothing. Man cares not.
Let maenads wander leaderless and bewildered, to their own doom.
There is no such a thing as Russian race or German race.
oops! My massage was for post above yours. Sorry anakephalaiosis.
I guess you have never been to Germany or Russia. IF Son of David can talk about the Jewish Race and its superiority to other races, than I assert my right to discuss the German Race and the Russian Race. Geneticist have found that after the 900 day siege of St. Petersburg during WW II, the genes of the population changed and were passed down to the next generation. I feel the entire experience of the Eastern Front in WW II had a similar effect on the Russian Race. And the German Race can be noted by its psychological damage from its WW II experience and the unasked for psychoanalytical guilt the Jewish race has been inflicting on them ever since.
But the Time they are a changin’
or for worse?
Siegfried slays dragon, when he gets bored. Creativity keeps him occupied, solving Runic crossword.
When destroyer destroys faster, than the builder can build, then there is no point in building.
Creating sword, and hunting dragon is hobby. Racial instinct is to go full cycle. Widukind will never get Charlemagne prize.
HSN, you are talking about an interesting ‘group consciousness’ effect. Jewishness, Germanness, Russianness, etc., are not racial markers in the sense of DNA differences. However, in the sense of Rupert Sheldrake’s Morphogenetic Fields, repetition creates ‘dimples’ in the probability of future happenings. First inclinations, then habits, and then – in the extreme case – the ‘appearance’ of physical laws.
(Indeed, there may not be ‘physical laws’; they don’t exist – just very, very ingrained habits in the universe. In which case, some psychic practitioner might not be breaking a scientific ‘law’, just finding a way around the ‘habit’…)
So, any ‘ethnic-ness’ may be some form of Field built-up over time and circumstances. If you are born within that field, it may become part of you. It can ‘harden’ around you, or – like any habit – become unlearned with effort. I suspect this aspect of Nature will drive everyone from ethnologists to bigots crazy, until these Fields are finally recognized…
(And by the way, the PTB have recognized the power of repetition long ago, and weaponized it. Remember divide and conquer?)
I do wonder whether war is not just to traumatise a nation but entire generations to come.
Every syllable is traceable in vibrating thought pattern. Languages are environmental factors. Sharp cut clarity of ideas are not. They are eternal.
Runic project predicts the Runic genome as natural morphing – from idea to idea – in an overall suprastructure of patristic exegesis.
If one is to reverse engineer a Druidic pyramid, one starts bottom-up. Cheers!
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and keeper of flame.