THE HESS DNA THING

Well you might have heard by now that recent DNA tests have proven that prisoner No. 7 at Spandau prison was, indeed, Rudolf Hess, and not a double substituted for him. That, anyway, is the conclusion of a recent DNA study, according to this article that many shared:

Exclusive: DNA solves Rudolf Hess doppelgänger conspiracy theory

As the article points out, and as I pointed out in my book Hess and the Penguins and as many other "Hess Mess" researchers have also observed, neither Frau Hess, nor his son Wolf Rudiger, believed that the Spandau Hess was anyone else but their husband and father. End of story, and the current study seems to render that verdict final:

But not all of Hess’s DNA had been destroyed. During his incarceration in Spandau, Hess was monitored and cared for as was any other prisoner. Spandau was run by officials from the UK, France, the United States and the Soviet Union, who rotated duties each month. In 1982, a blood sample was taken from Hess by a US army doctor, Phillip Pittman, as part of a routine health check. A pathologist, Rick Wahl, mounted some of the blood on a microscope slide to perform a cell count. The slide was labelled “Spandau #7” and hermetically sealed, and kept by Wahl for teaching purposes at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC.

Tracking down living Hess relatives took yet more time. “The family is very private,” says McCall. “The name is also rather common in Germany, so finding them was difficult.” But in the end, they managed it, and obtained DNA samples from a living male relative.

The forensic DNA analysis centred on the Y chromosome, which is inherited only down the male line, and on a range of genetic markers across other parts of the genome. The male relative and another member of the Hess family have seen and approved of the publication of the DNA results, but do not want to take part in any further discussion of the findings.

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Statistical analysis of the results suggests a 99.99 per cent likelihood that the blood sample on the slide comes from a close family member of the living relative of Hess, “strongly supporting the hypothesis”, Cemper-Kiesslich’s team report, “that prisoner ‘Spandau #7’ indeed was Rudolf Hess, the Deputy Führer of the Third Reich”.

Citing the privacy of the Hess family, Cemper-Kiesslich declined to comment on their response to the results. We don’t know how the Hess family feels about the closure of the final chapter on the story of their infamous relative. “The conspiracy theory claiming that prisoner ‘Spandau #7’ was an impostor is extremely unlikely and therefore disproved,” the scientists write.

Now, while I held open the possibility that Spandau Prisoner number 7 may have been the real Hess, or a double, I definitely leaned very strongly to the latter view, which would now seem to be conclusively disproven by these results. Chalk that one up in the "big miss" column.

But I come away from this article with the sinking feeling that this is an attempt at a limited hangout of some sort, an attempt to quell and quash any inquiry into the whole strange "Hess Mess" as I called it in Hess and the Penguins. Nor does the "double" problem  simply go away because one waves the "DNA wand" and wishes it to be so. The problem is not simply DNA; the problem is Allen Dulles, and his curious attempt to determine if, in fact, the Nuremberg Hess was Hess, and he suspected it wasn't. The question is why.  If indeed as this newest test has shown, Prisoner Number 7 was Rudolf Hess, then we still have "some 'splainin to do," namely, why did Dulles think this? Why did the real Hess not seem to remember crucial things about his past? And so on. Indeed, while Wolf Rudiger did not believe the double theory, he most definitely did believe there was much more to the story than the post-war Allied powers were willing to admit, or even that they themselves knew. It was Wolf Rudiger who alleged in one of his books that Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Behin told President Carter that Hess must never leave Spandau alive. And on and on we could go.

In other words, there's much more to the "Hess Mess" than simply a theory that a double was planted at some point, and perhaps shifted in and out of the starring role from time to time. The Hess Mess doesn't go away because of a DNA test. The best proof would be to have a "pre-flight" blood sample of Hess, to compare with the post-flight blood sample of Hess. But for those maintaining the double substitution hypothesis, to do so now would mean that a double was picked who had the same DNA signatures as the real Hess, and that would mean a double from Hess's own family had been selected.

See you on the flip side...

 

29 thoughts on “THE HESS DNA THING”

  1. johnycomelately

    Seems like Hess was the ‘Insiders’ insider and when he finished his job installing Hitler at the throne his work was complete.
    Given the Axis powers and Eastern Europe were the last bastions of the ‘old ways’ it makes sense that a self destructive war was the only way for these regions to fall under the sway of the enlightened ones and usher in the ‘ Immanentization the eschaton’.

  2. Maybe the true purpose of Spandau was not as a prison, but as a secret Mystery School, with Hess as the resident prophet/scribe. Maybe the reason that Dulles suspected a double, was that Dulles couldn’t believe that the Nazi’s would subject their prophet/scribe to trial and prison.

  3. Didn’t the Russian’s ‘recreate’ Spandau in 1947? (/ just kidding).
    I want the DNA from the (Anne Frank patented) Ball Point pen of the hand that wrote Mein Kampf. Was it more Hitler or more his cell mate Hess that wrote it? Were there Rothchilds genes on the Rothschild’s bank’s typewriter?
    Clue: The US$20m estate that Harry Cooper (Sharkhunters) reckons Hitler spent his retirement years in is currently up for sale. The latrines have most probably not been messed with. You could make some of that back selling rights to the Discovery
    channel even if you don’t prove shit.
    My real question is Was Hess Jewish by any chance? I dont care if Ashkenazi or Sephardic as they are 4th or 5th cousins anyhow.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html
    Imagine how bad it is today with the Hidden Ones having to live like in the Gattaca movie, where every fallen cell or strayed hair could betray you.
    Statistically, every breath of air you take in contains at least one atom of Ceasar’s last breath. Coming soon: Quantum Cohesion Forensics with Q Factor dating analysis.

  4. I have 2 family relatives in the medical industry and they both cofirmed no medical test of any kind whatsoever is 100% fail-safe- there is always possible human failure in the results (or manipulation?)-

    something to consider-

    Larry in Germany

  5. As has been pointed out, the provenance of the DNA sample is not open to investigation, so cannot be accepted as valid evidence. As someone has already said, they could have easily used DNA from the double’s relatives (who might also actually be named Hess), and the secrecy just makes it that much more suspect.

    Why go to all the trouble to donate DNA to end the controversy and then refuse to give the final piece of evidence which would actually prove the evidence true? The family wants privacy? Then why participate at all? That dog don’t hunt, as they say in the South.

    I also find it extremely suspicious that this “doctor” kept a viable sample of Hess’s blood for so long, and that he waited so long to do anything about the controversy (and why would he be allowed to do so?). The questions have been around for a long time, so why come out now? Also, blood is an extremely poor medium for DNA. Red blood cells have no DNA, and such a test would rely on other factors being present in the blood. I find it extremely difficult to buy that this doctor kept a viable DNA sample for so long just for “study.” What was so special about Hess’s blood to use it that way? (Magic, perhaps?) I would also question that one could get that good a match on such an old sample. The degree of match under these conditions also makes the announcement highly suspect.

    When I first saw this story, I thought it was indeed the end of the controversy, but now that I have better details than the regular media allows, I find it just deepens my suspicions. It certainly doesn’t explain away the missing scars and missing memories of the Spandau Hess. In fact, it actually points to more to fraud because it cannot explain those things. That inconsistency speaks volumes.

    But perhaps that is the exact point – to produce “evidence” that seems credible at first glance, but which will fall apart upon any serious looks, causing much more interest and investigation in the long run. Maybe what we are seeing is another “Elizabeth Warren DNA fubar” moment.

    I think it could also be planting plausible but phony (and unverifiable) evidence which the “fake news filter” groups being set up to enable censorship of alternative ideas/dissent can use to disenfranchise alternative researchers. I bet you dollars to donuts it will be used this way (which will also trigger a court case, which would unravel it as evidence and expose a trail of fraud – creating exactly the opposite result as it appears at first to be after).

    At this point, it is clearly not real evidence, but “proof by authority,” which is a logical fallacy. It is not science, because the results cannot be openly replicated, and it certainly would never hold up in any honest court of law. One can completely derail their whole position with two simple words – “prove it.”

    This is just “magic bullet DNA.” I’m surprised the doctor didn’t say he found the sample lying on a stretcher . . . .

    I, too, call BS, and say investigate the players involved.

  6. Hess was the real thing , why keep him in prison so long ? why kill him at the end?
    they could have done it earlier no ?? why his his interest in the moon-progarm ?

  7. “Tracking down living Hess relatives took yet more time. ”

    Are they mean – Tracking down living “Hess” relatives…… Or be more clear – Tracking down living Spandau Prisoner number 7 relatives…….

  8. So has anyone talked to the donor? Confirmed his pedigree? I can’t help but think of the Martin Borman DNA “confirmation” that relied on an anonymous male relative.

    Until then I call BS.

  9. Either the Borman mystery or think a Manchurian candidate situation. Mudding up the waters sowing confusion among history researchers secrets must be kept for centuries if not millennia.

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Good one Marcos!
      That’s a twist I hadn’t considered.
      Borman taken out; replaced by double?
      ttb4urtt = [license place of?]
      Double cross be four you are double crossed?

  10. had not considered a relative double. makes much more sense than any other possibilities previously considered.

    1. heard a new dialectic i hadn’t considered till today. claim is that two factions of illuminati are fighting over north america. both have depop agendas. west coast is called fourth reichers. east is called zionists. trump is in the east camp.

      it came from a deborah taveres yt
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6vsj5vr9JY&feature=em-uploademail

      pretty daunting stuff. seems both sides are rottenchildren wings. with all the weaponized and propagandized cover it does look like depop pace is increasing. curious what’s a wise man to do?

      1. Robert Barricklow

        New 21st Century ovens?
        When its over, who[m] will be cast as victims/villians?
        The side that writes/rights the history?

  11. Provenance. The whole ‘DNA results’ depends on the Provenance of the DNA sample. In court cases, it is required that there be an impeccable ‘paper trail’ for evidence. Ideally, every step in the collection of evidence is documented, with the evidence never being under the control of one individual or lying-around ‘loose’. Contrast that with the Hess DNA sample. Yeah…

    The big ‘meta’ aspect of the Hess DNA results has to do with Trust in the System. “Trust in the System” is a given for the identification as Hess. Like Kennedy or 9/11…

    There are at least two ‘tracks’ if one does not trust the System any more:
    (1) The entire DNA evidence trail is made up, out of whole cloth – but convincingly. This would be like the ‘man who did not exist’ who washed up on the beach carrying Allied plans for the invasion of France. The fabrication of many, many details that add up to a false, but convincing, story.
    (2) The DNA is Hess’, but originating from any point in time. Hess was the #2 Nazi; he may have had blood drawn ‘back home’ at any time, for medical or occult reasons. Or, Hess could have had blood drawn at any time after the British captured him. Convenient…

    Again, the question is Why Now? The Hess case has been slowly diminishing into obscurity. Why bump it up into public consciousness, again? Someone wants to stick a needle in, every once in a while. That is interesting, in itself…

  12. Robert Barricklow

    What was the real Hess proposing to the Allies?
    Was any of it related to Israel/Jews question?
    Did he have dirt on some of the well accepted facts/persons
    on what went down; or, might have?
    Did he relay any deep secrets on secret societies, ancient aliens/civilizations?
    What was so secret that the public must never know.

    I read your book.
    [the above questions what the research would never dare show;
    nor perhaps even imagine]?

    There appears to be missing piece[s]?
    Or, is that purposed?

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Of course, the State of Zion was in the pipeline.
      Now, it’s against the law to say anything bad zionist/zionism[no caps, can do that now, officially]. Oops!, that’s still in the pipeline. Just got too wait a few clicks; before it’s official too.

  13. Dr. Farrell, your Hess book is brilliant. In my opinion that book is among your best. The only thing that might change is the addition of a chapter to look at the DNA evidence carefully, but as several have already noted, we have a huge chain of custody issue here. It proves a relationship between Rudolf Hess in Spandau and his family–nothing else!!! I agree with your instincts. This story is intended to end speculation that has risen from your book with potential pressure from persons who continue to have some things to hide. I can be convinced that the two are the same person, but this evidence does nothing to advance answers to the mystery other than to identify a familial relationship. It also fails to answer the question, why release this new “evidence” now? Why not release it next year? Why not the next 10 years? Why not before your book was published? Oh, no. It smells like an attempt to maintain an operation in the middle of the Brexit and EU divorce.

  14. Doesnt proof a thing Doc Farrel. The blood sample came from Spandau Hess. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1979/09/28/impostor-at-spandau/126b2fab-ee13-4b58-8a4b-d632ed45d55d/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.84a96cc2d0e1

    “How did Dr. Thomas make his discovery? In October 1972 he was posted to Berlin as consultant in general surgery to the British Military Hospital. Thomas was present when Hess was being examined by other doctors for a gastric complaint, and thus briefly Thomas saw the famous prisoner stripped. By Jove, he spotted something truly extraordinary! Where was the scar from Hess’ old war wound? Thomas had done some reading on Hess and had learned that the old Nazi had been shot in the left lung during World War I. The missing scar stirred Thomas’ curiosity”

    In 1972 Hess had already magically healed his bullet hole… the blood sample was taken in :

    ” In 1982, a blood sample was taken from Hess by a US army doctor, Phillip Pittman, as part of a routine health check. A pathologist, Rick Wahl, mounted some of the blood on a microscope slide to perform a cell count. The slide was labelled “Spandau #7” and hermetically sealed, and kept by Wahl for teaching purposes at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC.”

    And to think.. all those conspiracy tales could have been put to rest STRAIGHT AWAY.. seeing as DNA testing started in 1980s.. and even IF the sample wasnt good enough.. they could have with no problem from the 90s onwards.. and no one thought about Hess’s blood sample…being held in an American military hospital at Washington DC.. The guy who thought to test the blood ‘heard’ about it 10 years after it had been brought back..
    So.. this DNA test just proves that the blood sample from 1986 is linked to an ‘unidentified’ desendant of Hess. (what if Margarete Hess had a child… would that’s child Y dna match his father’s.. or Hess’s?)

    I thought that the Naz… the germans burnt Hess and bulldozed Spandau into the ground in order to ensure no neo nazi shrines could be set up… but general gossip around a military hospital in DC knew that Hess DNA was being used a training tool for 10-15 years…

    So much of this is going… BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS

    side note – Just started Hess and the Penguins… I always felt that he brought the MK over with him… The Profumo scandal may have had something to do with the Hess file (which I think Anthony Blunt (had) and /or the Russels have..) Id also say that the plot was arranged through the abdicateur and Mi5 and Mi6 screwed each other up with direct intervention from Churchill and spoiled the plan.. anyway.. thats what I feel.. looking forward to reading the real story 🙂

  15. And what about his World War One wound that was missing upon examination of Rudolf Hess while he was in Spandau prison? Did it simply heal over due to time and his diet of herbal medicine? Or was the doctor an incompetent and overlooked it? Or was it not there because the Hess in Spandau was not the real one?

    I’d like to quote from a song by Chumbawamba called The Day the Nazi Died

    “So if you meet with these historians
    I’ll tell you what to say
    Tell them that the Nazis
    Never really went away”

  16. “Statistical analysis of the results suggests a 99.99 per cent likelihood that the blood sample on the slide comes from a close family member of the living relative of Hess.”

    That can easily be read to mean it was a different Hess family member, not Rudolf, who was in Spandau for decades.

    In other words, the double was a Hess cousin. I can’t speculate on where the English would have found this double. Or perhaps it was the double that fled Germany, I can’t speculate why, nor beyond that he was killed in some Nazi plot, could I speculate what happened to the real Hess.

    Saddam Hussein is supposed to have used cousins as doubles.

    The DNA proving that Bormann died in Berlin just proves the bones found circa 1970 were from the Bormann family.

  17. As Putin likes to remind us, the current problem is not the Nazi’s in Argentina, it’s the Nazi’s in DC.

  18. 37 years after the alleged blood sample, out pops this story. Want proof, not possible, the Hess family is “very private”. Who do they think they’re kidding.
    It might also be used to distract researchers from the “mind control” line of investigation on Prisoner N. 7, which is separate from the “double” issue.

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