Sooner or later, we all knew this was bound to happen, particularly if you're one of those who, like me, follows the subject of mind manipulation closely. And this one is nothing less than frightening. Most mind manipulation research, techniques, and technologies have thus far focused on cocktails of drugs, hypnotism, and a variety of electromagnetic mind reading and thought-and-conversation projecting technologies, oftentimes used in conjunction with each other. But imagine being able to manipulate the other crucial aspect of the mind, the memory, through tailor-made drugs alone. That, in fact, is what they're up to, according to this article shared by G.C.:

The authoress of the article, Sharon Kirkey, points out that the core motivation for one research project is to be able to adjust the memories of traumatic events, in this case, of the breakup of a relationship, or the betrayal of someone in a relationship:

The 60 souls that signed on for Dr. Alain Brunet’s memory manipulation study were united by something they would rather not remember. The trauma of betrayal.

For some, it was infidelity and for others, a brutal, unanticipated abandonment. “It was like, ‘I’m leaving you. Goodbye,” the McGill University associate professor of psychiatry says.

In cold, clinical terms, his patients were suffering from an “adjustment disorder” due to the termination (not of their choosing) of a romantic relationship. The goal of Brunet and other researchers is to help people like this — the scorned, the betrayed, the traumatized — lose their total recall. To deliberately forget.

Over four to six sessions, volunteers read aloud from a typed script they had composed themselves — a first-person account of their breakup, with as many emotional details as possible — while under the influence of propranolol, a common and inexpensive blood pressure pill. The idea was to purposely reactivate the memory and bring the experience and the stinging emotions it aroused to life again. “How did you feel about that?” they were asked. How do you feel right now? And, most importantly: Has your memory changed since last week?

It's important to note that thus far, the process is not about altering the memory of the incident itself, but about the alteration of the behavior and emotional patterns associated with it. Indeed, Ms. Kirkey points out:

Brunet insists he isn’t interested in deleting or scrubbing painful memories out entirely. The idea of memory erasure, of finding the cellular imprint of a specific, discreet memory in the brain, of isolating and inactivating the brain cells behind that memory, unnerves him. ‘It’s not going to come from my lab,” he says, although others are certainly working on it. Memories are part of who we are, what forms our identity, what makes us authentic, “and as long as only one choice exists right now, and it’s toning down a memory, we feel on very solid and comfortable ground,” ethically speaking, Brunet says.

“However, if one day you had two options — I can tone down your memory, or I can remove it altogether, from your head, from your mind — what would you choose?” (Emphasis added)

And the whole process is contingent on a theory, that when the mind recalls a memory, that's when the memory itself is most susceptible to modification, such as "toning it down":

Much of the work is based on the theory of memory reconsolidation – the belief that the mere conscious act of recalling or conjuring a memory makes it vulnerable to tinkering or meddling. When a memory is evoked, a reconsolidation window opens for a brief period of time (two to five hours, according to Brunet), during which time the memory returns to a state of “lability.” It becomes pliable, like Play-Doh. It also becomes susceptible to modification, before “reconsolidating” or re-storage. The thought is that propranolol interferes with proteins in the brain needed to lock down the memory again.

So where's the high octane speculation in all this?

When I began reading this article, my first thought was: Well, how are we supposed to learn anything - particularly from bad relationships - if memories, or even the pain of memory, is altered or "toned down"? In my case, a couple such memories from my early twenties gave me pause, and forced me to reflect long and hard about the direction of my life, and for that I am grateful. But what if the pain of such incidents were "toned down"? Removed all together, would we learn anything? Ms. Kirkey subsequently raises the same point:

More profoundly, without good and bad memories it’s hard to imagine how we would know how to behave, says Dr. Judy Illes, professor of neurology and Canada Research Chair in neuroethics at the University of British Columbia.

Learning doesn’t occur without memory. How do we learn from a bad relationship, if we can’t remember it? “And so now, if we pre-select what memories stick and don’t stick, it almost starts to be like the eugenics of memory,” Illes says. “We ought to think carefully about that.” (Emphasis added)

"The eugenics of memory"... I don't think I've ever read a more apt description of the ultimate potential implication of this quest. And the aptness of these words  leads me to today's high octane speculation. The rest of Ms. Kirkey's excellent article reviews other research, and the issues raised with it. Most importantly, it points out that memories themselves appear to be scattered throughout the "hardware" of a brain; they're "not in one physical place," an interesting idea especially if one thinks, as I do, that the brain is a transducer (so to speak) for a very non-local phenomenon called the mind. But the article also observes that we can't watch memories being mapped into the brain... at least, not yet. I rather suspect this is not entirely true, since if one can watch brainwaves as certain words are spoken or shown to an individual, the mere fact that certain patterns seem to emerge across a statistical sampling, allowing the construction of "electroencephaligraphic dictionaries", is a necessary step along the technology  tree to watching, and ultimately manipulating, memory formation.

Which brings us back to where we began, the idea of a "memory pill": we are also watching the quick elaboration of a whole new genetic and nanotechnology, which are quickly opening up new avenues - including the horrendous prospect that one can now practice genome editing in a home garage. But imagine, for a moment, that genetics or even epigenetics plays some role in the formation of a memory of a certain type. If one could construct a template of a particular type of memory, such as traumatic separation, then one might also be able to see how different genetics influences the formation of that memory in the brain, and how emotional responses develop from it. Over time, exact pharmacological (perhaps nano- or genetic-technological) drugs could be specified to deal with that on an individual genotype basis. Does a particular haplogroup have a predisposition to certain types of memories and certain behavioral or emotional responses to them? Dose their water or food supply with the appropriate "memory toner-downer" and - voila! - problem solved.

The "eugenics of memory" indeed. Bravo, Dr. Iles, you've seen the future, and with it, perhaps the real agenda behind all this, along with the usual rationalizations that it will also be oh so beneficial to health.

See you on the flip side...



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Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Dr Dreamwalker on November 13, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    As a psychologist Specializing in trauma, I can tell you what utter madness this idea is. First of all the memories will break through eventually. The real trick is to separate emotion from the memory. In essence what you really want is the memory without the triggering emotional state. It’s called learning something about yourself and growing.

  2. Scott S on November 4, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    “The 60 SOULS….” That is a creepy choice of words….

  3. Pierre on November 2, 2019 at 10:39 pm

    Fiona Barnett’s male counterpart (being an Australian Cathy O’Brien, or Sharon/Bryce Taylor) Tim Roy didn’t need no drugs to make him forget, one of his Alters (split personalities) took care of the “sore bottom”. free ebook.

    I wonder if the technique of today’s posting could be used to verify or not false memory syndrome. Holocaust therapy, wipe it out and it still keeps on popping up at opportune moments, forever.

  4. Milton Zentmyer on November 2, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    I am now going through loss and grief from the loss of my husband Milton (I am Naomi posting here, will change the account in the future) The process of dealing with heartbreak, trauma of watching a brilliant man dissolving into the nightmare of dementia and finally death is horrifying. But as I deal with all of this in layers in my mind I am finding strength. The loss of him will never go away, but in my mind it’s a way of honoring his life, carrying him in my heart for always. I will move on to other challenges and possibly another relationship. I would not choose to remove any of the pain and trauma of losing him……never. The pain and loss is the other side of the coin of LOVE. It takes courage to love, because in the end we all will suffer loss.

    • sagat1 on November 2, 2019 at 6:43 pm

      So sorry for your loss. You are so right about love and courage. Stay strong.

    • zendogbreath on November 2, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      Keep on Mrs Z. Much to learn that Milton can help us with retroactively.

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  5. Loxie Lou Davie on November 2, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    Since we are a Spiritual Being first……what would be the sense of “forgetting” all that we have experienced up until NOW!!! That is what makes us the Unique Person that we are….doesn’t it???!!! 😉

    Hopefully we carry with us into our next “assignment” what we have learned in this particular piece of our Eternal Journey as Eternal, Sovereign Beings!!!

    • cosmicasuality on November 2, 2019 at 6:03 pm

      Human beings (body, soul and spirit) seem to be a desirable commodity in that we are full of potential but easily manipulated in our present configuration. And that present configuration is what the cosmic lords want us to remain in. How convenient to have a herd of intelligent recyclable victims/servants.
      The answer to this is given in John 11:25-26. Martha believed in a resurrection, but Jesus says ‘I am the resurrection and the life; he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:…..’ That applied to Lazarus. THEN in v.26, ‘And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never see die. Believe you this?’ If we come to believe and understand who and what we really are, then we will no longer be deceived by the cosmic lords and their willing human minions. The reincarnation cycle will have been broken. We, as spirit beings, will be free at last, M.L. King notwithstanding.
      ‘Do you believe this?’ Seems we have no other option. To stay ‘here’ and be recycled has not worked (John 16:33).
      As to our next assignment, see John 8:35 and 14:2-4.
      For anyone not quite sure of the outcome, you might check out Pascal’s Wager to hedge any bets.

  6. DavidSnieckus on November 2, 2019 at 10:11 am

    I sincerely believe that a drug or pill will NOT remove memory completely.
    (Memories good or bad are just that: memories). We are infinite beings that have the capacity for our infinite memory. Consciously or unconsciously, our memories are embedded with the food we eat. The food we eat becomes us…… and if we change our eating or we change our diet the memory associated with that food dissolves but is not completely lost. Return the former way of eating and the memory returns. Just saying!!!

  7. anakephalaiosis on November 2, 2019 at 3:46 am

    Unfortunately, the Brexit memory pill is only partially successful, as I, from time to time, still find myself being haunted, by suppressed memories of Kylie the Kangaroo, and our broken Brexit dreams.

    A terrible dragon ate my Kangaroo!


    Man from Snowy River went Godspeed,
    placing all his trust in four feet,
    and God, the only one,
    was final run,
    in free rein of heart steed.

    • Maatkare3114 on November 2, 2019 at 5:06 am

      anakephalaiosis Brexit is not over yet. This is the biggest challenge to the controlling elite they have had in a long while.

    • RJ on November 3, 2019 at 5:28 pm

      your comments are the best of all time…..every single post the past year…..100% best comments to anakephalaiosis!

  8. zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:35 pm

    Doc, one more thought you brought to mind. I think we’re on to something considering brains as transducers. Feels like there’s much more to it. Can’t find links just now. I remember reading a few pieces on neurons in the gut outnumbering and directly connecting to the brain. Also recent discoveries that the vagus nerve directly connects the gut biome and to the brain biome. That the brain has a biome is another recent discovery. And also I remember your discussions past about organ transplant recipients gaining feelings and vague memories that match the donor’s life and experiences. There is so much more to this to consider. Please do keep developing on this one, all of us please.

    • Maatkare3114 on November 2, 2019 at 5:15 am

      zendogbreath Yes, the gut is known as the second brain. Gut feelings about situations is a phrase often used. Google ‘gut a second brain’ to remind yourself of a lot of the links on this subject.

      Part of article from Scientific American
      Given the two brains’ commonalities, other depression treatments that target the mind can unintentionally impact the gut. The enteric nervous system uses more than 30 neurotransmitters, just like the brain, and in fact 95 percent of the body’s serotonin is found in the bowels. Because antidepressant medications called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) increase serotonin levels, it’s little wonder that meds meant to cause chemical changes in the mind often provoke GI issues as a side effect. Irritable bowel syndrome—which afflicts more than two million Americans—also arises in part from too much serotonin in our entrails, and could perhaps be regarded as a “mental illness” of the second brain.

      Scientists are learning that the serotonin made by the enteric nervous system might also play a role in more surprising diseases: In a new Nature Medicine study published online February 7, a drug that inhibited the release of serotonin from the gut counteracted the bone-deteriorating disease osteoporosis in postmenopausal rodents.”It was totally unexpected that the gut would regulate bone mass to the extent that one could use this regulation to cure—at least in rodents—osteoporosis,” says Gerard Karsenty, lead author of the study and chair of the Department of Genetics and Development at Columbia University Medical Center.
      Serotonin seeping from the second brain might even play some part in autism, the developmental disorder often first noticed in early childhood. Gershon has discovered that the same genes involved in synapse formation between neurons in the brain are involved in the alimentary synapse formation. “If these genes are affected in autism,” he says, “it could explain why so many kids with autism have GI motor abnormalities” in addition to elevated levels of gut-produced serotonin in their blood.

      • zendogbreath on November 2, 2019 at 7:24 pm

        Yep yep and yep. This is along the lines of what Andy Wakefield and all proved out. Autism Spectrum Disorder almost uniformly involves and is involved with gastro-intestinal severe disease. He did not claim MMR causes autism. GSK and all attacked him out of fear since their research routinely found vaccine based MMR dna in the damaged gut linings. Now that Wakefield and all’s research is being more and more confirmed, it’s a matter of time before further developments lead to connecting the vaccine sourced MMR dna with damaged gut walls and then on to a list of chronic immune compromised diseases including ASD.

  9. zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    For any individual who has been stockholmed and/or gaslit and resolved the issue, we all know that the culprit will usually do anything to protect the false memory to protect their own credibility, regardless of damage to their own cognizance – let alone minding what happens to anyone else’s cognizance.

    Wish I had more time to write here.

    Doc you got one here. Nice catch and verbage.
    What I can refer to is ideas launched whether I like it or not.

    All please keep in mind a few ideas. What can be claimed to be done almost always already is done. What’s worked on an individual basis is also worked society wide. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. AKA, sometimes, no matter how scientifically, a jerk is just a jerk. That is, we’re being messed with just to be messed with. Like howling wolves inventory each other and gather positional info, they also do it just to mess with the prey.

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  10. marcos toledo on November 1, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    There is the short story the basis for the film Total Recall We Can Remember It For You Wholesale. What would be real what would be true then?

  11. cosmicasuality on November 1, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    Riffing on comments by Origen and LGL. The memory adjustment theme raises the implications of reincarnation. In the NT discourses by Jesus, we are introduced to the concept of the tripartite human being, having body, soul and spirit.
    The body and soul can be destroyed (1), but the spirit sleeps in death (2). The soul is psuche in the Greek of the NT. Psychologists and psychiatrists dabble in soul health (or manipulation!). Body and soul destruction leaves the spirit unconscious until a reincarnation reoccurs, at which time the spirit must reestablish a new identity/personality/soul. Eastern religious concepts incorporate this idea of forgetfulness (maya) of the spirit.
    As our era rockets toward the dissolution of society, are we entering the end of an age where everything is make known, yet not accepted by the majority? Are we seeing the cosmic lords empowering mad scientists to manipulate the body/soul/spirit complex which they (the lords) have done for ages untold?
    Are we seeing the culmination of the declaration made (3) where mankind is in need of a rescue resembling a jail break? If so, then it will originate from outside our own universe (4).
    References: (1) Matt.10:28; Luke12:4-5 (2) John11:11-14 (3)Luke4:18-19; John8:31-44 (4) John17:all . Note that the word ‘world’ in this chapter is from the Greek ‘kosmos’, which is can mean cosmos, universe. It also appears in the majority of cases in other portions the gospels.

  12. Robert Barricklow on November 1, 2019 at 11:59 am

    “… able to adjust the memories of traumatic events…
    Is that an ever loaded statement? Is that traumatic even finding a mind-blowing truth? Well, that needs adjustment. Is that child going to expose the pediphilia ring? That needs adjustment; er, substitute the villain w/a targeted patsy. In other words, pick your poison memory to insert.
    No doubt a mass adjustment is preferred; but that’s stepping on the shoes of The Ministry of Truth’s Adjustment Bureau.

    “The trauma of betrayal”?
    Another statement w/a truly rich vein of irony.

    In ice-cold clinical-claptrap, his patients were suffering from? Well the doctor will just have to pick & tailor whatever disorder is required by the Bureau.

    “… alteration of the behavior and emotional patterns… ”
    Jesus, create & print a brand new copy of?
    Choice your disorder[s].
    Manchurian candidate is quite popular
    and on sale today only.

    Here’s a list of options: from toning down to a complete wipe-out. Prices are adjusted according to your social credit score[s]. Just press this[point to smart phone] ap button for the latest services/prices.

    You think your thinking processes need adjustment now?
    Wait till your new belief system kicks-in w/o your knowledge.
    Plus we’d installed “trigger” words to put you under a hypnotic-like state.
    Why to permutations and possibilities are… ?
    Sinisterly endless.

    White Rabbit

    • Billy Bob on November 1, 2019 at 12:53 pm

      So beta blockers are memory blocks too. I take one everyday for heart arrhythmia…guess that explains their efficacy…no bad memories to stress the heart. One day no memories at all to cause any issues.

    • Robert Barricklow on November 1, 2019 at 3:34 pm

      Of course the memory is much more than something to put under a microscope; or tinker with like a Lego set.
      If “they’re” playing w/the fire of the Sun; then memory is merely a small potato [Dan Quayle, remember?].
      There’s a reason for the good, bad, and ugly memories. They are what determines “you”.
      Start introducing aluminum[chemtrails, remember] and your mind starts acting as if it were a 3D photographic plate, being continually ripped apart/the picture begins to show the tell tale signs of missing the whole plate; because the resulting 3D picture is slowly becoming filled w/holes]. The analogy here is: when your start playing w/your memory’s structure; your memory suffers, and the “you” begins to fade away.

      When are “they” going to stop playing w/their lab rats[citizens?]?
      When are they going to get their memories back?
      That once upon a time; long, long ago…
      when they were…
      human themselves?

      Did they go the way of “you”?

  13. Miguel Oniga on November 1, 2019 at 10:24 am

    Beyond the dangers lies the oldest ideia of bringing it out in the open.

    • Miguel Oniga on November 1, 2019 at 10:26 am


  14. OrigensChild on November 1, 2019 at 10:19 am

    Evil has been with humanity ever since the Fall–no matter how you frame it. Over the past few weeks I have been immersing myself in Orthodox culture anew, and to some degree, see my thinking shifting back in this direction. As far as I’m concerned this whole experiment in science and cultural philosophy is Enlightenment’s attempt to define within the material world something for which most religious traditions already had a solution–how to cope with pain and evil through spiritual exercises for the mind and the body. There’s no reason to remind people here of how various practicians of religious traditions endured, overcame and prospered after severe torture, abuse and neglect. It leaves scars, but healing does occur. The real pitiable part of all of this isn’t this doctor’s thesis and experimentation strategy, but the people who buy into this depravity without giving it a second thought. Perhaps the Enlightment is the modern repetition of the Fall, mach II. Perhaps some science is best left unpracticed until we are spiritually mature enough to understand it. The consequences of the first was bad enough. Must the human race endure a second?

    • zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:30 pm

      OC, do you really think it would only be the second?

      • OrigensChild on November 2, 2019 at 5:16 pm

        ZDB: I cannot say for sure. In limiting it to 2 I am once again playing it conservative. I know of at least one more from tradition but I think we were its victims rather than its target.

        With the Enlightenment, though, one sees clearly a deliberate break within the Western intellectual system to ‘go it alone without any spiritual dimension governing our plans and ambitions. We can become our own gods.’ If you know of other examples in ancient cultures having such a profound sense of self, feel free to pile them on the heap. I know there were flirtations with the hypothesis in the past–but not a total commitment. Once again I am reminded of Berlinski’s “The Devil’s Delusions” and Scott Bentley Hart’s “Atheists Delusions”, where the wholesale destruction of the fruit of the Enlightment has fostered on humanity some of their greatest holocausts and depraved political movements. These are the ones most present within human consciousness at the present. That’s why I used the language of mach 2. Now if you believe mach 2 goes back to the rise of scholasticism in the West post Augustine, I can abide such an argument. But it was “contained” in time and space to a much greater degree than the one post-Enlightenment.

        • zendogbreath on November 2, 2019 at 7:33 pm

          Goshawks brought up a point with a reference to Ralph Ellis’ theories on much New Testament being a subtle propaganda war between Jesus’ brother James and Saul/Paul/Joseph Flavius.

          My thoughts are that any time (and it’s often) propaganda convinces populations to genocide or to convince populations that they are responsible for genocides, that we these are the same falls from grace, albeit in relatively larger and smaller increments.

          It’s an ongoing effort to come to terms with reality. People we see targeted everywhere are the more obvious examples of folk working to come to terms and care for themselves: Sweden (weaponized immigration), Greece (austerity), Italy (vaccines, austerity), Spain (hoo boy), California (wow hooboy), everywhere really.

          • OrigensChild on November 4, 2019 at 9:15 am

            One has to buy into the whole Ellis scheme to look at the world this way. Though I have a great deal of respect for goshawks and you here, I do not buy Ellis’ historical reconstruction. Admittedly I have not read his works, but I have heard numerous lectures of his theories by sympathetic interviewers and found them wanting. These issues were dealt with long ago in the Orthodox community when they first arose in the form of Arianism and Nestorianism–and these issues were dealt with then in a context that was historically current. To this day I believe Ellis is confusing two different historical people. I believe this scholarship to be a dead end with respect to Christianity but fruitful for one of the Zealot movements which occurred simultaneous to the historical situation during these times.

            The only other such moment I can think of is the Tower of Babel moment in history. There is an argument there, though as Dr. Farrell intonates there is something odd about that narrative. I know what this means in broad strokes from the Christian point of view–and there are parallels between that time and the present day. If one calls today’s issue Mach 2, I can see that one as Mach 2 and today as Mach 3. Not much is known about the state of the human intellect at that time. We have scant evidence and many varying hypotheses.

          • zendogbreath on November 4, 2019 at 10:08 am

            Points taken OC. Not sure what I buy and don’t on Ellis’ narratives. My biggest outright beef with him is the freemasonic-ness of it all. I find it difficult to accept that aspect with all the layers of gatekeeping and hiding the truth from us we have been raised with through the centuries by such secret societies. At the same time it’s impossible to completely discount everything stated by these folk . The boy who cried wolf isn’t always wrong.

            The latest ideas published about the Eye of Africa being the city of Atlantis is an example. The folk publishing it in a documentary are openly freemasonic. Just the same the theory has more than enough legs to stand on its own merits.

          • OrigensChild on November 5, 2019 at 8:45 am

            ZDB: You know, I’m glad you went to Freemasonry rather than me. That tradition is by very definition gnostic–and both are sympathetic to the Nestorian and Arian traditions. One of the reasons why Orthodoxy rejected both of these are their close allegiance to gnostic ideologies. I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but there are too many historical aberrations associated with these and other theses. I’m almost certain two historical figures would be merged by some of the gnostic traditions to counter the Orthodox’s view of one person, two natures in their Christology. Gnostic traditions are naturally syncretic. As long as one keeps in mind their intellectual biases any insights they offer reflect more on their goals and aims than anything else.

  15. blakecosmos on November 1, 2019 at 9:55 am

    Allow me to riff in a similar manner to what “goshawks” has just added. Please note the language “over 4- 6 sessions, reading from a script — a first-person account of their breakup, with as many emotional details as possible — while under the influence of propranolol, a common and inexpensive blood pressure pill. What else might we infer if we consider this yet another “dual use” bit of tech, and here I can not type this without feeling a shudder go up my spine, this would also provide for a methodology of taking the most painful of a persons memories, and making them relive them while in a drugged state, just so they REALLY can “get in touch” with all that pain. What if someone evil decided that one could make torture essentially endless by making someone relive a particular experience over and over again, without having to actually go through the trouble of actually performing the act? And what if that experience could actually be something implanted? The ramifications of this kind of “research” are as the Doctor says, deeply disturbing.

    • Robert Barricklow on November 1, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      … and I can certainly picture this technology getting in the wrong hands. Or, they already have it, and those never-ending-tortuous-memories are in play; in some undisclosed Dr. Frankenstein lab; inside a jar, w/a living brain – screaming for a way out…
      that never comes?

      White Rabbit
      [interrupted in my writing again. Have to go.]

    • goshawks on November 1, 2019 at 7:34 pm

      blakecosmos, on your “taking the most painful of a persons memories, and making them relive them while in a drugged state, just so they REALLY can ‘get in touch’ with all that pain,” it is worthwhile to use a search engine on Loosh.

      When a person truly feels-through negative emotions AND the pain underneath, there is a positive-pulse at the end. This tends to ‘spoil the milk’ for any negative entity hoping to sop-up the negative chi or such. Just ‘holding’ the person in the painful memory would be “Yum” for any negative discarnate…

    • zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:29 pm

      Brings to mind how mkultra has been used managing info transfer through agents. Also similar to subjects used in Frank Herbert’s Dune Trilogy.

  16. Melodi on November 1, 2019 at 8:35 am

    While I could see a very limited “good” use for such a product in severe cases of trauma that tend to lead to actual death by “heart-break” not usually from a romantic relationship (the exception being widowhood) but from the death of a child, a horrific loss (I had a friend that lost his entire extended family in one van-crash) war crimes survivors etc that have such horrific memories or who are in such emotional pain that physically they may not survive (it has been common for years to put such people in the hospital under forced “sleep” from other drugs, especially Mothers who lose a baby or spouses that lose a partner to death suddenly).

    But 99.9 percent of the time, such drugs would be dangerous, crazy to use on human beings and the real consequences probably unknown for decades, possibly even more than a century (grand-kids).

    Using it just to “forget” how bad a break-up was years later is foolish because people will have adjusted (even if it still hurts) the real dangers of “broken-heart” syndrome tend to be within the first year.

    I also totally agree that “forgetting” relationships is a bad-bad way forward if done on any sort of regular basis – and yeah, the memories change a bit, usually as you get older you hate less and understand more, even if it still hurts 40 or 50 years on.

  17. LGL on November 1, 2019 at 7:56 am

    It’s only one step from the “eugenics of memory” to the “eugenics of identity”.

    “I am …”
    “… or am I ?”
    “I can’t remember”.

    Regrettably, one can’t help but note all that mind research, the transhumanist developments are pointing in one direction: Creating corporal vessels from which the originating occupant can be evicted at will so that another entity [entities ?] can move in and take possession of that body ….
    There the old fashion demonic possession .
    We’re probably looking at a modern version where, by the same principle, a ground work is being established for wondering discarnates to take a foothold in this material dimension.

    Luke 8:30 :
    Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him.
    Kind of give an added meaning to “Body snatchers”.

    Revelation 12:9
    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    • zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:27 pm

      “Legion” as in how Anonymous calls themselves?

  18. anakephalaiosis on November 1, 2019 at 7:40 am

    The Brexit-pill never happened.
    She is a lingering, faded memory of betrayal.
    Now I am happy again.

    The feminist cure:

    • RJ on November 3, 2019 at 5:29 pm

      Best comments ever anakephalaiosis!!!!

      created an account just to say great comments!!!

  19. Bluenose on November 1, 2019 at 7:22 am

    The same McGill University that ran the Canadian side of M K Ultra and is still paying for it through lawsuits. That is, the gov is still paying out, not the university.

    • zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:24 pm

      nice catch Bluenose.

  20. goshawks on November 1, 2019 at 5:41 am

    Let’s turn it around: What if, rather than memory reduction, scientists can find a way of stimulating really deep memories? And cueing off of the “Altered States” movie, what if those memories went beyond this lifetime? Would we find only the naked-ape who is ‘pushed’ as our sole fore-bearer? Or, would there be anything from additional ‘abilities’ coming-forward to possible off-planet origin or off-planet manipulation?

    Various (mostly verbotten) drugs/medicines have anecdotally induced such “memories.” However, those typically fade-away as the dosage declines. What if scientific endeavors produce a way that those ‘atypical’ memories/skills can be retained? Now that would be a worthy scientific pursuit…

    • Rick Dubov on November 1, 2019 at 2:43 pm

      I would add that, all of these technologies for augmenting reality and in this case removing memories, forms another roadblock on the cosmological highway, a highway that is a two way street(at the very least) you so eloquently delineated in MICROCOSM AND MEDIUM. In short these are attempts to bar entrance to those things much larger than ourselves. What would be even more disturbing would be to engineer the very non local fields in which we transduce memory and so many other things.

    • Robert Barricklow on November 1, 2019 at 3:52 pm

      Loved your going deep analyses Goshawks!

      From my perspective memories are subject to the topological metaphor; and therefore, time can become fluid[so to speak]. It’s not a stretch to imagine unravelling those past quantum memory strands & throwing them against an observable, prepped Tiller specifics…

      Hey, I’m just brain storming.

      There is method in your mad, really deep, memory quest.
      Just a question of when?

    • zendogbreath on November 1, 2019 at 11:27 pm

      Reminds me of how scientology is supposed to work. Your therapist/mentor/coach/whatever is someone who you trust enough to be there alone with you while you sleep to say only good things for your sleeping mind to hear. Kinda crucial since the words you hear in your sleep are hyper-powerful influencers over your life. As ever the risks are limitless and the rewards are kinda limited at best, especially in the beginning of the tech’s usage.

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