DID THE PLOT JUST THICKEN?
I'm usually amazed at the ability of the regular readers of this site to ferret out important details, especially when those details go missing from the "narrative" being pushed by the propatainment business, a.k.a. the "mainstream 'media'". Today is an especial case in point, for L.G.L.R. found this article, and it's a whopper doozie.
To set the stage a bit, at the end of January of this year, you might recall I did a News and Views from the Nefarium, outlining my problems with the emerging narrative of the corona virus. I found it highly suspicious then, and still do, that Dr. Charles Lieber of Harvard University's chemistry department had been arrested by federal authorities for allegedly not disclosing his relationship to the Chinese bio-laboratory in Wuhan China, with which he was associated. As it turned out, Dr. Lieber was supposedly involved in nanotechnology development, a curious pursuit given the association of the Wuhan facility with respiratory diseases like corona virus.
Well, now there's a new twist to the story, and it's a very twisted twist:
REVEALED: Soros Invested Heavily in Chinese Biotech Research Company with Facility in Wuhan that Researches Respiratory Models and Infectious Disease
And in the article, the following document - a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission - is found:
If one scrolls down that rather lengthy document, one finds this listing - which images appears in the article - with the Wuhan association highlighted in blue.
Now, if this article be true, then the plot just became even murkier than it has been with the association of Exercise 201 and Bill Gates' recent statements. And again, if this whole article and filing are the genuine article, then this whole thing has been a bit of tragic theater, tragic, for the people suffering and dying from this thing, and tragic because it's also overly hyped.
But there's a bottom line here, and that's this: if this whole thing was an operation of some sort by Mr. Globaloney - and Soros certainly qualifies as one of the biggest sausages - then those planning, sponsoring, and carrying out this "op" are guilty of mass murder...
...See you on the flip side...
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soros spelled backwards is.. soros
corona backwards is anoroc, which sounds evil and all powerful.
50 million died in 1918 flu, when the worlds population was less than 1.2 of today.
what I want to know is what is the death tally from corona in any third world nations not WHO’ified. in other words, what would have happened if we did nothing and did not shut down the economies.
i would like to see a clean and green (no hard drugs or sex or rock and roll) woodstock experment, 10,000 people mixing it together for a month , and see if they all die or not.
i would also like to see the stats of other causes of death and if they have not gone down dramatically to be counted as corona cases. heart attacks, cancer, strokes, seasonal flu.
as for mandatory vaccines, I recall Sohlzenystsn’s(sp. ?) Gulag Archipelago Vol 2, if only the Russian people had resisted the Cheka’s knock on the door to take their old man away in a big yellow taxi… the kitchen knife, or even let their tires down outside, enough to slow them down until enough people woke up before it was to late.
still, I am on the fence, and strictly on the farm, gate locked since 3 March, so I am taking it seriously for now, 2nd wave approaches.
we shall see, we might see Soro’s Jesus holograms, but we shall see.
Put 10 thousand in a group and you can be sure Elon Musk would dedicate one of his 5G satelites for the event!
We should just rename c-19 as the Soros Plague he launched into the world to purposely murder the masses that fall within population groups he deems as weak with the objective to trim the population (Darwin), Kick-off The Hunger Games Culture “pre-define” in the experimentation phase to see how much Soros & Co. can get away with, and to create utter chaos so that he can continue to seize power. One of the sickest events I have witnessed so far in my lifetime.
As always, one can learn MUCH from reading all the comments!! Thanks to All!!
Each of us is ‘IN’ this fight in our own particular way….we each have a Social Circle that we can influence, which means we each can do our part in Bringing in The Light!!!
From my own Life Experiences & from observing those around me these 75 years, I have noticed that part of the creation of this deeply embedded System of Evil we can lay at our own feet because of the Christian Mindset of “turning the other cheek”.
Since we did not face up to the “small” battles, we were allowing those who shout the loudest & walk all over us, to take control. We allowed them to fly under the radar with their Evil because WE kept reelecting the same ones over & over, allowing their Corrupt System to become deeply ingrained. NOW….we are having to fight the Big Battle because we didn’t fight the Little Battles along the way!!
Long Live Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai!!!! He has been a Breath of Fresh Air & I am delighted to see he is getting his message out….he seems to be all over the Internet now & it is wonderful to see that people are picking up on his Common Sense way of putting things. Wish we had more immigrants like him!! Another is Cyrus Parsa!! More Power to these immigrants who have taken the American Dream & run with it!!! 😉
Since 1992 this stuff has been slowly building. It’s still tragic no matter any soon-to-be globalony char-coal briquette. With the disinformation tactics of the Party, globalony S & G will likely skate.
More intriguing was the article to the right regarding Dr F in 2013 regarding hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in a test tube / lab dish study. One of the issues of his skepticism probably still comes from the mixing of chloroquine and other medications an elder or otherwise health compromised patient might be taking for blood pressure or cardiovascular support.
The drug alone seems to have anti-viral properties which is probably why the presumed tenuous connection to reducing the viral activity so that the body’s immune system can catch up while palliative support is administered. That’s a good sign, but other Rx’s together with it might have unintended consequences, such as disrupted electrical heart activity, with those already health compromised. Probably why his skepticism and attachment to clinical studies where this uncertainty can be ferreted out. As the old phraseology goes, “Talk to your doctor.” or “Do no harm.”
Quite a few interesting names on that listing.
Did you know, that recently, the Party has been accepted onto the UN Human Rights Council? Perhaps to sell their brand of organ harvesting techniques.
Then again, why not use the CDC’s own documents and numbers to figure out where the poo is being spread over the truth?
COVID DEATH TOLL IN QUESTION?
The HighWire with Del Bigtree
There is no virus, the books are cooked by assigning the cause of death codes and testing for viral debris The test measures viral load based on debris, not viruses. Any body tested will have debris from a virus. Our body’s immune system works 24 hours a day to keep viruses at bay. We have millions in our body all the time.
Interesting deleted YouTube video today see link below
thank you Billy Bob for posting the link- already listened to it and I think David Icke has hit a huge nerve- I think Icke is absolutely right in his assessments but the “sheeple” don’t want to believe it because the concept is just so monstrous/doesn’t fit into their comfort zone-
“The individual becomes incapacitated when confronted with a concept so monstrous that he/she believes it could not possibly be true”- J. Edgar Hoover
Just encountered one of the best street-level, support staff POV summaries of what’s going on in the hospitals. An up & coming investigative reporter here:
yeh. Corey rocks. Lotta personal contacts of hers in that one.
That’s a good point
They’re all reading the flattened curve script.
Which literally means a permanent pandemic.
Yet China reportedly has reached zero deaths on so-called virus..
I read it too. Excellent. Well balanced and very credible conclusions.
With Soros’s involvement, you would have to be a fool on steroids not to know a great evil is afoot. The Moroloty the master villain of the Sherlock Holmes stories would look like a choirboy in comparison.
What a profound revelation. And while all this is going on, the UN response is to release a bunch of graphic icons. On the one hand, Blofeld and SPECTER, and on the other we have Rufus T. Firefly running Freedonia.
Proving Wim Hof right again and again.
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 50: Dip in Daily New Deaths; Research on Natural Killer Cells & COVID-19
MedCram – Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY
Did you get a chance to look at this kid’s videos? He’s got 3 so far. Looks to be legit enough. This is his first. Page down. There are two commenters on here who have so far survived infection and are still improving. Their stories are useful to anyone with years enough to learn anything worth learning. Found this kid through Dana Ashlie. Her vids are easier to find on Brighteon and Bit chute.
FROM NYC ICU: DOES COVID-19 REALLY CAUSE ARDS??!!
Here’s one commenter. The replies he got are worthwhile too.
1 day ago (edited)
Hi Doctor. My experience of COVID-19 over the last 4 weeks precisely as you are describing. I instinctively felt when I got it that it was not what the experts described. I could feel through my knowledge with my body that the problem with my system as it started to breakdown was in the drop in the oxygen levels being the main source of my distress. The way I got COVID-19 the symptoms of fever, dry cough, aches and pains were such that they did not distract from the main problem itself which was my system not taking in oxygen, I have been trying to puzzle this out during my recovery and I definitely think that as your explain it here it is the case with how the COVID-19 virus takes down the individual. You must forge ahead with this. Let me offer an example in my own treatment of this … I deliberately removed certain remedies I was using like Vit C for a period of time to see what the effect would be then I returned to a regime of taking it and the oxygen in-take into my system returned and my system improved with the simple increase of Vit C I felt my oxygen intake improve and I felt immediately less stressed. Also, a constriction in the back of my throat alongside my swallowing action indicated to me when my system was struggling with oxygen intake levels moving up and down. I definitely do agree with your findings here from my experience of being a victim of this Virus in a significant way.
Here’s the other guy. He has more commenters as well
Andrew K Fletcher
3 days ago (edited)
Cameron, I have just been through 3 weeks of hell, at times fighting for every breath, unable to lay down, even on an inclined bed. I stacked up pillows to an almost sitting posture and still had to get up and stand in a vertical position. Walking to the bathroom which is about 15 meters left me struggling to breathe. I could not shower as the steam left me breathless. Each night I would have to get out of bed 5 times or more to wretch up thick mucus, no stomach contents, appetite gone, sense of smell gone, coughing getting up to a pile of used tissues after almost zero sleep.
But I didn’t call an ambulance, though thought I was about to die numerous times. Oxygen sats lowest 87% average 92% Yesterday 97%.
I have left ventricular hypertrophy, CKD, and experiencing horrendous skin condition caused by heart meds, followed by further reactions from two courses of antibiotics, which at the time, I didn’t have an infection. In fact, I had told my doctors that it was a drug related reaction. But they don’t listen to patients do they?
Why no ambulance? Because I have seen the high fatalities in ventilated patients and hear the desperation from front-line staff and understand where they are going wrong.
Fortunately, I survived and can see a small improvement each day.
I sipped water with fresh lime juice in it, to help with the mucus torrent, which I suspect is causing the lungs to struggle. I used a Clenil Beclometasone Inhaler to open airways. Note: the blue non-steroidal one does not work having tried it for a week.
For more than 25 years I have been helping people
My discovery 1994:
Exhaling increases the density of the blood supplying the water we evaporate with each breath and also increases the density of the blood by cooling. The denser blood flows through the heart and is injected into the main artery. The flow from which is predominantly down to the kidneys. Blood is then filtered and dense materials excreted via the bladder, so the blood exiting the kidneys is less dense. Therefore the return flow in the veins is almost always less dense that the the down-flow in the arteries. What we have here is a non-pumped system that relies on gravity, so posture becomes extremely important.
If we take gravity away by either laying a patient flat or indeed by sending astronauts into space, it reveals some startling revelations in human physiology. Consider also that prolonged bed-rest and head down bed-rest is used by NASA et al to induce accelerated ageing at 10x the rate here on Earth.
Take into account that the ventilators are not preventing many deaths from pneumonia, related or not to covid-19!
We undoubtedly need some moisture to keep the membranes healthy, but we certainly do not need a constant supply of water vapour. I would suggest an intermittent introduction of atomized water instead and maintain an inclined bed posture at all times with all ventilated patients.
Rottweiler dog, having lungs drained twice a week. Dog was placed in a room with a dehumidifier, all excess fluid cleared and dog no longer needed lung drainage.
Experiments with tubing to show the density driven circulation: youtu.be/5QlZ5yWMYjA
Hope you find this helpful
Sounds like my COPD when it acts up when I’m off my meds for awhile. I went through most of that when I caught a bad viral bronchitus in Pensacola FL a few years back. It over whelmed the Hospitals there and killed a lot of people nationwide that year. Worst virus I ever had and moved from one area of my body to another over and over again like it was trying to out run my immune system in one area by moving to another. Very strange and I suspect it was no natural virus either. These GMO viruses are doing things in a way natural viruses never did. Maybe because they are hybrids. Even people who have very few symptoms are starting to have heart attacks suddenly because the virus attacks their heart instead of lungs. Even people with healthy hearts.
Ya know, that brings to mind. All life forms (and non) have probably changed in weird ways by virtue of gmo’s alone. I so wanna see you get into exchanges with those two guys on that youtube. Let us know if and when you do. I’m a thinking it might come in handy for all of us to have a clue on how to steer through some of these flemmier or scorchingly non flemmy times to come.
I saw one of them. Just watched the other two. I suspect this virus attacks the air sacks in the lungs. This virus attacks a lot more tissue types than other viruses and some patients over react to it. It’s like not only do they have to deal with the damage from the virus tearing up their cells and normal inflammation from that but also sever allergic reactions to the virus or something its replicating along with other copies of itself. This virus has very long strands of RNA compared to most corona viruses. The longest ever witnessed. I wonder if when the immune system breaks it up if some of the chain fragments might not be toxic or cause sever allergic reactions.
Yep, Some RNA strands are toxic and can affect all kinds of areas and systems in the body the virus itself isn’t. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00401-017-1796-5
These sound like arguments for supplementing digestive enzymes as well. Man I wish Dr Nicholas Gonzalez did not get suicided.
BTW, I still cannot rule out that less germ theoried paradigm that the virii are products of our systems cleaning themselves up rather than a cause of the system tearing itself up.
Can viruses be toxic and allergens? Someone else asked that and toxins can be coded into them as well. https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/44594/can-viruses-be-toxic
Many thanks for your invaluable insight based on personal experience.Goodspeed my friend
Why do we need to name this group or that? The problem still and will always need to be dealt with individually. Besides, how many times in history have monstrous groups changed their names or dissappeared or infiltrated into other groups. Name calling and blame games only lets folk feel a vent for rage. Might be more worthy to deal with the individuals at the root.
To answer you Blog Title question: yep. More and more by the minute.
The question of our time for us on the ground trying to survive and succeed in this bio/emf/pollution threat as well as this Gates Fdtn seige of the world, is what are the chances, what is the path and who are the folk who help us minimize damage and lead us out of this trap?
EXCLUSIVE Next News Network: Top Doctor EXPOSES EVERYTHING The Deep State Is Trying to Hide on CV
Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai
Imagine: someone willing and so far able to call out the Kennedy hypocrisy?
Thanks for the link ZDB.
Gets into the real meat about 37:00 clicks in.
42:30 clicks in Denmark just passed a law for mandatory vaccines[in the wake of this covid19 virus]; including, having police apply force, if/and when needed.
Zeros in on Dr. Evil, aka Dr. Fauci. 53:00
Amazing smart guy. Expect to see him in Doc and CAF’s circles soon enough. Doubt he’ll be willing to go much into ssp issues though. Who knows, he could get elected too.
The smoking gun. Is it possible that this is a weaponized virus?
If you zap the already 5% lowered atmospheric oxygen content with 5G radiation it changes the spin configuration of the oxygen electrons and makes the oxygen incompetent, denatured, for use in the human body. This means that even though you keep breathing in, the air is not rich enough in oxygen that will work in your body, so you gradually asphyxiate. This condition might be exacerbated by the little viral nano-transceivers and antennae ingested by people “infected” with them.
This mimics the symptoms of pneumonia, but is actually more like high altitude sickness. See here for confirmation: https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o
In this game of life, forgetting who we all really are. A consciousness, undivided from the manifest and unmanifest. All things exist here (and don’t), and these people who pull the strings in seemingly evil directions are the ones who know who they are in this consciousness game. They’re color is orange for stimulating this response in us. They want to harvest the fear, the stars back them because it is all the same energy when you’re ONE. Think of this end of Kali Yuga as a compression or contraction so powerful that the only reaction will be an equal and opposite expansion outward. Much like a breath. The next cycle will be one of love? Maybe that’s your choice and the peace you keep, and the compassion you share today.
Chaos begets chaos and these are people who believe they are pre-ordained to rule this realm. The idea being that if they corrupt enough people they will be granted a kingdom of their own. That mindset in and of itself is chaotic.
Be well friends.
A rather interesting point of view.
Maybe – with a stratospheric balloon point of view – we could even suppose there is no such thing as evil at all, but only ignorance of who we really are.
Nevertheless, back on Earth, where our horizon lies at best at about 3 miles, evil and suffering seem real.
I would like to believe that a higher consciousness equals a higher kindness. As far as I know, some realms of consciousness are forbidden to beings who don’t know who they really are, who cannot value Life and respect it’s basic principles.
Accordingly, if your guess is right, all *this* would be part of a necessary process, designed to achieve a higher consciousness for all.
The alternative would be that “some higher consciousness” were able to create their own realm apart from the principles of Life. Very unlikely for me.
Unless there are other alternatives?
Not all, and if you look deeper you will see a strong element of the occult. The same brand of Illuminati gnosticism is found in Mystic branches of Islam, Christianity, Jewish Kabbala, Luciferians and other religions and spiritual beliefs it’s infiltrated. But it’s a corruption of gnostic mystacism and a secret society with many branches some of which reportedly infiltrate even the vatican, freemasons, and many others. It’s center arose out of the Middle East’s Babylon and it was brought to Europe when Islam conquered much of it. The Knights Templars were likely a Christian sect of it all. The different groups work together most likely but vie for leadership. Their core beliefs are what is important not the religion they usurp and hide behind. Just speculation.
Rather than God they seek the aid of demons for power and knowledge over the world. Their Illumination comes from the lower, darker frequencies of the spectrum because they perceive it as the more useful and powerful to accomplish their goals.
Good point Roger. Besides whenever there’s a purge it works out like the Inquisition where mostly innocents are hunted down and framed in witch-hunts while the rest of the sheep cheer and think the danger is passed. Namecalling just makes it clear that the wolves are taking out sheepdogs to blame for wolves’ crimes.
As Catherine Austin Fitts has repeatedly emphasized:
Crime that pay$;
Is crime that Stay$.
And look where that can being kicked down the road
[letting the crime syndicates get away w/more & more.
They upped the ante and the game.
They want to own the world and all that’s in/on it
Either arrest them[at the least in the stop sense of the definition of arrest; in not in down right jailing them.
Start anywhere, like w/the Harvard puppet and continue up the kill chain until the likes of Soros are globally & thoroughly character assassinated; and then shot w/the very vaccines they manufacture; then jailed; and then let the jury decide the final outcome.
The above is a fiction plot.
But stranger things have happened; like the bad guys getting caught, tried, and convicted of mass murder.
Depends on the good versus evil of the people involved in those times.
The time is now!
Or truly; we’re in never, never land.
A utopia only in the virtual world.
It’s either get real
or stay in your fantasy worlds
of never never lands.
if not [in] downright arresting them!
[algorithmic spelling equals proof read!]
Soros is experienced in mass murder. Received his basic training during the Holocaost. No doubt he and cronies are receiving great financial benefit from this drama. Destroy the pound. Destroy the dollar. Although, in the latter case, he has much help from “the system”. Gates and Soros are strange bedfellows. Different masks, same dark heart.
Exercise 201 concentrated on how to manipulate the perceptions of the masses.
The latest Lancet Journal article: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30729-7/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email
Monitoring behavioural insights related to COVID-19
Thanks Sandy – this point worries me the most: Weekly COVID-19 Snapshot MOnitoring (COSMO) was initiated in Germany on March 3, 2020. I have seen other verifications of this occurring in Germany also.
Eeh gads, looks like the entire planet has been turned into one big social scientist playground. Guess the split and recombination with the natural sciences is a hit. Plenty of jobs for these folks who massage and manipulate the huge accumulation of data bases.
I think it was their last ditch attempt at creating a one world government. If leaders don’t go along with the plan then face biowarfare – if you don’t enforce global lockdown and your population becomes sick then as a political leader you would soon lose your position and things could quickly get out of hand. Go along with it but face economic collapse to transition to a crypto system. Which one as a political leader do you choose? I hope none of those two options. Soros works for the BIS. Enough said.
Read the below article very carefully and pay particular attention to ‘ticking time bomb’s’; ‘triggers’ and a ‘Revolution needed’ and about Europe (worst hit so far).
What they are portending in the article is true – the financial models show that China and India’s GDP will exceed the Wests (US & Europe) by 2030 and that we are in a bubble that is going to burst. It looks like they are trying to take control of this situation but pushing the burst before it’s ready to steer the outcome.
Good point. What we are all slowly factoring in more and more is that these problems that make us weaker and more vulnerable increase as time passes during this siege. This week I start to transport food to poor neighborhoods instead of transporting students to poor schools.
A factoid to keep things in perspective: the number of coronavirus deaths worldwide is currently 70 000. About the same number die in the United States every year from drug overdoses.
Yeh but that number would have been much higher if we had not crashed the world economy, ruined the somewhat productive supply chain, poisoned all the cities with pollution, poisoned all the crops with Monsanto and poisoned all the population with pharma. Think how much worse this could have been.
Thank some deity for social distancing, long lines to buy toilet paper, police refusing to answer calls too busy with ticketing groups of more than 3 people in public, who knows how many not allowed to work, who knows how many bankruptcies and failed mortgages and unpaid landlords, um this list seems to be growing.
Oh yeh and global universal mandatory vaccines with chip implants and china’s colonization of the world with their social score system.
Wonder how many points they will give me for posting on Giza. Gee think they’ll let me travel more on one of those fast trains?
yeah, but getting high feels good.
The Creator, Preserver or Destroyer. Makes no difference which one the pious worship….all are one.
A woman comes to a man, and says, that he had made her a promise, at last year’s Þing, to marry her.
– I can’t remember, the man replies.
– Sure, everyone heard it, the woman insists.
– Well, I must have been drunk, at the time, the man says.
The moral is, that the “Þing” has a public ear, in collective memory, ensuring that all promises are kept, honorably, or else one faces bad repute.
That is how honor was “mass-produced”, originally, by making a stand at the Þing, facing the music, and not running away from consequences.
Þing is truce-sanctuary-folkmoot [ᛏᛒᛖ].
Exactly, they are actually helping their enemies.
I wouldn’t count on it. There’s still an unspoken rule for some reason. Survival? Ostrich-like discipline?
Strange though that anyone here is surprised by any of this. We all know those who may not be mentioned are attempting to reach for the prize. The heavens are doing their utmost to boost the energy of all this; Jupiter’s weight and Pluto’s reputation for pandemics, nasty, strong little fellow he is. Saturn’s materialism, power grabs all round; there’s a plethora of conjunctions and square-offs going on up there, and as we all know, as above, so below.
Try and look surprised!
Unless & Until WE ( talking the GOOD People on this Planet ) STOP this mass murder … ! (& “theY” whoever “theY” are.. have BEEN MASS MURDERING US for how long ??? & ‘theY” got more stuff ….planned ? ) THINGS are gonna get a WHOLE lot worse FOLKS …. y ….
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
― Winston S. Churchill …if WE aren’t gonna STOP murder let ALONE MASS MURDER !!! there is warfare going ON ! & ON sooooooooooooooo many LEVELS ? everyone is in it ….but IT doesn’t SEEM like the good people …..r ? might be tak’in some liberty’s wit this quote but “if you see an good fight ,for Christ’s sake …get in it ” but than again i didn’t graduate TOPS in my class Lol 🙂
a call to arms of the underarmed. kinda comes off as victim blaming.
Henry Kissinger & Bill Gates Call For Mass Vaccination & Global Governance
Kissinger says even the US can’t fight covid19 alone.
Global NWO government, of course.
Well, ain’t that a surprise!
Let’s put it this way, if even just part of this worldwide phenomenon is being caused by one or more bioweapons – possibly made by, or with the complicity of non-State (i.e. corporate) actors, then you’re talking about crimes against humanity.
and as the wise lady says, crime that pays is crime that stays.
Bill Gates, a code monkey emeritus,
upgraded his windows virus,
to make his last stand
with corona plan,
against free for all linux.
Nothing will ever change unless the real culprits are exposed. And it’s not like they even try to hide it anymore.
Yeah the plot thickens and it’s still always the same ‘peoples’ involved. Lieber, Soros, Schiff, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein etc. The mathematical chances are impossible yet idiots will still call you names for pointing out these facts and blame the evil Nazi’s who’s ‘representation’ is brought to you by the same ‘people’ through Hollywood and the media.
who needs to name the monster? naming the individuals works real well.
I had a racist friend 40 years ago – one of the most discrete people I have known. He used the word spoon to name his monster. Right or wrong, he knew he was racist and admitted it to whoever he trusted. He had his reasons. Good or bad they were his reasons. I spent more time taking issue with him using the word spoon than I did with his beliefs. He used to try to get me to argue his beliefs. That label was a mistake. For all I know his reasons were sound. Not my business. But the label, well now it’s us against them. If someone wanted to call themselves a spoon well ok, I still disagree with the label thing, but then again, now that’s none of my business.