ALREADY!?!? INDIA AND JAPAN SIGN PACT

ALREADY!?!? INDIA AND JAPAN SIGN PACT

I received the following  article from V.T., whose email accompanying it was addressed to me with the subject header "Boom!" Curious, I opened it and saw the article, which, as regular readers here will appreciate, appears to confirm some of my recently-voiced high octane suspicions that we're watching the emergence of new long-term geopolitical realities.

Basically, those "new long-term geopolitical realities" concern China, and my speculation that we're watching the formation of what I've been calling a "Quadruple Entente," quadruple because it involved the major powers of the region - Russia, Japan, India, and the USA - united around a common "entente" or understanding that China, particularly under Mr. Xi, has become a major menace and threat, and has to be contained. For the USA, this "containment" policy is but an updated version of George Kennan's "containment" policy against the Soviet Union. That policy speaks for itself, that the USA and its allies would  seek to blunt any Soviet expansion until the system imploded from sheer economic overload. That's the part of "containment" that often gets overlooked, but it's worth remembering as we contemplate the emergence of this Quadruple Entente.

In stressing the "entente" nature of this emerging phenomenon, however, I've been attempting to indicate that it would be a far cry from a formal system of alliance like NATO, but rather, a system of agreements (perhaps) that bind the countries concerned together, perhaps later on leading to something like an Asian NATO. Frankly, I doubt the latter will occur, because in this instance the countries involved are not likely to allow the USA to have the sway and say that NATO provides it. Bi-lateral agreements are much more likely, and India and Japan, as I've indicated previously, are likely to be the two movers and shakers.

No sooner said than done, it seems:

WW3: India and Japan sign military alliance against China as world braces for war

As the article points out, these negotiations have been under way since 2018, but this leads one to wonder why - after two years - they were concluded just now, and I strongly suspect that the talks were accelerated by both countries in the aftermath of the recent border clash between Indian and Chinese forces. But there's another mention in this article that's worth exploring:

India has already signed similar agreements with the United States, Australia, France, South Korea and Singapore.

According to an Indian defence official, speaking to the Times of India, it is also seeking comparable arrangements with Britain and Russia.

They said: “India is negotiating similar pacts with the UK and Russia.

“The Russian one should be inked later this year.

...

To counter China’s growing power India has been moving closer to the US, Japan and Australia, a group known informally as the ‘quad’. (Emphasis added)

And with that, we learn something new and highly significant: India and Russia are negotiating a similar pact as that just concluded between India and Japan. And there can be no doubt against whom that agreement is directed: China. So one might expect that similar arrangements are possibly already under way between Russia and Japan... but... the world will never know about it, because both nations have compelling reasons to keep any such arrangement secret; Russia, because it leaves it maneuvering room as a go-between to China, and Japan, because it cannot afford, at this juncture, to appear to be pursuing too independent  a course from the USA, and because any disclosure of such an arrangement would perhaps provoke even more aggressive actions from Mr. Xi.

But today, it's Australia that's of interest. I've already predicted that, as a result of Brexit, one would see The United Kingdom reaching out to other Commonwealth countries and even trying to re-vivify the Commonwealth as a soft power institution. In Australia's case, we've already witnessed the Johnson Government reaching out to the Australian space ministry, and on the Australian side, there has been a quiet, but growing, discussion in that country for the development of its own independent nuclear deterrent. And the U.K. is, of course, a thermonuclear power.

While it sounds utterly laughable at this point in time, I for one would not be a bit surprised if, over the next few years, one sees both countries expanding their joint space initiatives, and for Australia to develop its own nuclear forces, perhaps by working out some agreements with the two Commonwealth countries that are nuclear powers, the U.K., and of course, India. Failing that, Australia might  purchase nuclear weapons from them, or allow nuclear basing in Australia. All this, right now, seems far-fetched, but there are pressing reasons to believe Canberra might do it, not the least of which is the unreliability of the USA as an ally, torn as it is currently with internal strife and seemingly irreconcilable political fissures. Those fissures are now cultural, and that means they're not going to disappear in the next election cycle, if ever.

And that means, like it or not, than when one is contemplating China in Moscow, Tokyo, New Delhi, or Canberra, the response that has to be formed is "we're on our own." Swampington, D.C.'s participation would be welcomed, of course, but for policy planning, the worst case scenario has to be assumed.

And that's why we're reading, in this article, of agreements between India and Russia, India and Japan, and India and the United Kingdom. And if India is seeing things this way, rest assured, they are in London, too.

They're just being polite, and not telling the cousins across the pond what their long term analysis has concluded, and they're certainly don't going to be very public about it as long as Frau Merkel is digging in her feet and playing hardball on Brexit.

See you on the flip side...

 

52 thoughts on “ALREADY!?!? INDIA AND JAPAN SIGN PACT”

  1. I second Loxie Lou–we, the common people all over the world, shouldn’t be fighting each other. That’s what the PTB want.

    For our friends outside the U.S., by way of explanation rather than argumentation: I understand how crazy it may seem that American citizens are armed. It’s just a different culture and philosophy here in the States, that’s all. Switzerland has something similar, more or less what the U.S. was supposed to be originally–citizens bearing arms in order to be the army, in place of a standing army. From the country’s founding up till today, many Americans have had a deep-seated distrust of government, and of government monopolies on the use of force. (IMHO recent events have vindicated their point of view.)

    Anyway, I can certify that the events of 2020 have made Americans even more attached to gun rights than before. Today, even liberal-leaning folks who’d never thought of owning guns have started buying them. This phenomenon is not likely to go away in the foreseeable future, barring some kind of literal war between the state and the people (God forbid!).

    1. It is not about the culture or sentimentality, there is no room for that when Govt deciding policies. Monopoly over violence is right of the state, not of her citizens. And on those principles mordern states are based on.
      It is duty of the state to provide law & order, establish writ of the state, and in return citizens show alligience toward the state.

      It’s a proper contractual agreement without sentiment. If you break that agreement, yeah state still survive for time being, because state also indoctrinate people. But it be starting of the downfall,

      It’s a selfish give and take agreement.

      1. Arpit – I understand what you’re saying. I was only trying to say that the contract between the people and the gov’t in America is different from what you describe. The Americans explicitly wanted a different kind of contract than the contract other modern nation-states were based on. Their concept was that the gov’t is the people. And if that’s true, the people retain ultimate power, not the gov’t. It has not turned out that way in practice, but that’s how it was meant to be.

  2. No I do not agree MAD works. The primordial idea of war is to kill the enemy and not die in the process. A nuclear scorched earth policy is innately more sociopathic than anything I can conceive of.

    Unless you are thinking of a different article, the one you referred to above is not from ASPI.

    The concern has never been availability of delivery systems. They are easy to obtain versus the payload. Australia’s neighbours have historically and generally been aligned with the US. The concern is some nut like the Sultan of Brunei egging on a Dr Mahathir character to pull a regionally impacting stunt, for example given an irrational justification in light of a myopic religious text interpretation.

  3. Hi Dr Farrell
    Besides London, we shouldn’t forget Paris.

    After all france have Reunion island in Indian Ocean, which india wanted to deploy P-8I and maritime UAVs there. That’s why India signed this

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financialexpress.com/defence/india-france-operationalise-their-logistics-support-agreement/1455043/lite/

    Afterall what you suggesting with UK that they provide the nuclear umbrella or weapon design to Australia, France already did this with india.

    France via Israel provided a 1 MT thermonuclear weapon design to india, and all the miniturising of this design and simulation for putting it on MIRV happened in Israel. Only after that in 2009 India able to operationalize her deterrence. And now moving toward sea based detterence with the help of Russia.

    Also, after 1998 Pokhran nuclear test, France and Russia were only two company who never condemned India, actually they praised it and never followed US sanctions on India.

    So we shouldn’t forget France, like UK closer to Australia, French Indian relations are of same level.

  4. For a unique take on the Aussie situation, I would suggest one takes a look at Max Igan on The Crowhouse. Then, most of us have read about the Aussie woman(pregnant) who was arrested IN HER HOME because of something she had posted on her internet site???

    I live in Central NYS & the children in my county have to wear masks at school. Whaaaaaat???!!! That in itself is a crime, as any thinking person knows that breathing in your own Co2 is bad for your health!!

    I asked my hairdresser this a.m. if they have a gun in her home, she said they do……so I told her NEVER to give up her guns!!! The everyday person working all day has NO clue what is really going on. She did not even know what the term “RedPill” meant in today’s verbage!!

    There is no need for us to be pointing fingers at each other over anything……when we all know there is an Int’l Cabal wanting to take over control of all humanity. THAT is what we are ALL supposed to be fighting….not each other!! 😉

    Thanks, Doc, for giving a platform for people all over the world, upon which we can exchange ideas, as well as compare notes as to what is occuring in our own specific locations!!

    As Piers Corbin says, “Hugs for Health”!!!

    1. The back story to the pregnant women being arrested isn’t so innocent.

      She had been conducting some pretty nasty illegal stuff online. When you see the whole footage (including the police footage), the situation looks a lot different than the snowflakes would have everyone believe.

  5. BTW, I read today on CHD that the on hold vaccine trials are off hold now. Curiouser and curiouser that a vaccine is needed for such a progressively weaker narrative around a plague of case-demics.

    https://www.bit chute.com/video/X1orSO094uY/?list=notifications&randomize=false

  6. MFB and Catou, Are you going to continue to argue that Australians want to see this kind of police work to continue and expand?
    Arpit, you might want to see this video too for what rulers are doing in India. I suggest you move through Brian’s ads at the beginning and end and watch this at 2x.

    http s://www.bit chute.com/video/cEiHryhD-zs/?list=notifications&randomize=false
    NWO-STYLE STORM TROOPERS MARCH ON PEACEFUL MELBOURNE & OTHER SURREAL EVENTS

    While we humans are busy trying to survives surreal domestic policies, the spmotu are having their way with no public awareness.

    1. Most Australians have a different view of law enforcement than Americans. There is no ‘police state Australia’.

      I live 5 minutes from one of the major Victoria/New South Wales border crossings…..police and Army on the bridge…totally chilled, no firearms, no tension at all.

      You should also realise that most of these twits being arrested are deliberately breaking simple common sense requests by local government. These people are NOT peace loving activists on some Ghandian mission to defend the weak-they literally are disobedient morons out to cause trouble.

      Also, a few idiots in Melbourne do not represent all of Australia….in fact most of Australia has a lot more common sense and respect for law that these idiots.

      I think some US based commentators interpret other countries through their own sense of hyper individualism and suspicion of Federalism.

      Perhaps America could take a leap out of our book and reduce the firearms in society? More idiots with guns is far more a worry than ‘having your right to be an idiot’ impinged on.

        1. Zeno, these two news items are not related.

          Rice isn’t a major crop in Australia-the vast bulk is imported and we have already shored that up. The rice issues is a knock on effect from the drought (which is not breaking thankfully).

          Those markets-full of drug dealers and online anarchists. The raids weren’t on the farmers.

    2. Thanks bud for the video
      The Govt should always have themonopoly over violence, when you allow citizens to have that rights, then there is serious problem in the structure.

      I never found out the reason, why anyone in US allow gun rights.

      By allowing it, Govt and State actually abdicating from there duties.
      Then why citizens need Govt., when there Govt abdicated from this duty.

      And this might cause the downfall of US as sovereign entity, it should be taken very seriously. It’s a very delicate contractual agreement between the state and her citizens (or his, never heard mother US like mother russia :P).

  7. MFB and Catou,
    to continue from Doc’s 9/9/20 blog. http
    s://gizadea thstar.com/2020/09/speaking-of-quadruple-entente-japans-pivotal-role/

    Hopefully these links are still pertinent here.

    MFB says:
    September 12, 2020 at 8:06 pm
    No way!

    Australia (especially under PM Morrison) has been hammering the CCP even with all their economic coercion…..which has turned Australians even further against the Chinese.

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    zendogbreath says:
    September 14, 2020 at 10:25 pm
    MFB and Catou,
    How many deaths since 2/2020 has NZ and Australia suffered that justified the title of pandemic?

    http s://our worldindata.org/grapher/new-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=USA~AUS~SWE~JPN~GBR

    Is it possible that cv1984 decisions were a mistake that has and is being exploited by a few powerful people with ill will who happen to be the people who decide when the emergency is over? And the rest of us are fear based gaslit stockholm syndromed marks played by these monsters?

    http s://www.aie r.org/article/youtube-censors-white-house-health-advisor/

    And meanwhile the tech companies driving this fear have the nuts and power enough to censor a sitting US President (the socalled most powerful ruler in the world) as well as his appointed chief medical expert?

    http s://childrensh ealthdefense.org/news/tech-titans-and-censorship-the-same-people-profiting-from-the-quarantine-are-censoring-criticisms-of-it/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=362cc1c6-4ad0-472f-9cd5-3ff16de1f106

    I find it harder to believe that the people of Australia can and will believe their rulers are protecting them much longer if they do right now.
    http s://lb ry.tv/@wakethefup:5/WITHDRAW-YOUR-SERVICE-AND-DISSOLVE-YOUR-GOVERNMENT:6

    1. “How many deaths since 2/2020 has NZ and Australia suffered that justified the title of pandemic?”

      Since when do ‘deaths’ signify what is or isn’t a pandemic?

      24 dead in NZ
      816 dead in Australia
      840 people who might still be with us except for the CCP and various other countries who acted too slowly because of stupidity……Trump…..Xi…..

      To be fair, our government has done an excellent job managing the pandemic. The real issue has been the economic consequences and not any need for extra policing.

      Our bigger concern has been China. The CCP has been assaulting Australia under a constant cyber bombardment for months (of which our people are very good at retiring fire).

      Tariffs, espionage, influencing campaigns….all of these things have been addressed by the Government-all in the face of some elements of the business/education sector who have grown fat of Chinese business over the last 20 years.

      Ultimately, the virus has made Aus Gov act on decisions that strategic thinkers have been raising for 10 years.

      1. you call this good management?
        http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/09/14/australia-runs-out-of-rice-as-police-invade-farmers-markets/

        The number of lives lost defines pandemics. Except after the WHO changed their rules and decided zero deaths still works for a pandemic to justify their bonds being triggered into profits.

        Considering the populations of NZ and Oz, those numbers seem a tad odd. How many deaths due to traffic accidents? Flu? Heart attacks? Cancer? TB? in that same time period. These tragic deaths hardly justify locking down a population – siege warfare with famine coming. Holodomor. Good luck. We are all going to need it.

        At some point the cheer leaders are going to admit that their self proclaimed masters of the universe are either inept or vicious or both. Further down the road, we will have to admit that they’re vicious. Fauci did not mistakenly ruin lives. Neither did govt’s around the world. Oz is not the happy compliant place you may think it is. People are not stupid when they are being crushed by tyrannical rulers.

        Good luck there and we appreciate you’re not getting arrested and blackboxed by saying something here that will bring jackboots to your door.

        1. zendogbreath. Don’t think too much of the link, there are no and will not be any food shortages in Australia. Agriculture is largely unaffected by the virus psy-op. The only sectors that are, are those that rely on casual workers and rely on backpackers. Which is deserved by these growers given their practices of hiring non-residents over locals on lesser pay.

          I actually thought the country ran out of rice months ago. All the stuff at the shops is imported; Thai, Indian or Pakistani. The shortage/ lack (?) of local rice is more to do with mismanagement of the water in south eastern Australia. Many rice growers had zero water allocations of what they normally have under licence and planted wheat instead. Many cotton growers ( who know how and have the right equipment/ access to contractors) grew rice due to the lower water requirements. It was a bad season, harvested in March-April.

          It has been an extended period ( years) of lower than average rainfall for recharge of river systems. You probably have heard about some rivers and all the decades old fish like the “Cod” dying along with them. I’m no expert though apparently they don’t become female and reproduce before about 50 years of age. Which given our previous conversation is entirely due to cotton production in Northern NSW

          1. Spot on HD. Australia is a net exporter of food. We have a population of 26 million and produce enough for 75 million.

            Crops near the Murray are looking green and lush now…as the downpour kicks in:) 🙂 🙂

      2. https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/16/from-blue-shirts-to-brown/

        Recently a group of doctors wrote an excellent letter to the Premier advocating an alternative response to disease management, noting that more than 41,000 people die every year in Victoria, roughly 10,000 each from cardiovascular disease and cancer, yet in 7 months of a supposed pandemic less than 600 Victorians have died of Covid-19: 90% of them over 65 years of age and most with multiple co-morbidities.

        The problem with the doctor’s alternative advice is that it assumes the government is merely mistaken or misinformed in its policymaking and implementation. The idea that the exercise of political power in Victoria has become pathological never seems to occur to them – despite a wealth of evidence supporting such a notion.

        When governments pass laws that are extreme or unjust or which by-pass constitutional constraints, it is rarely by accident. As doctors they ought to be the first to appreciate what a pathological exercise of power means to the cultural and institutional bonds that hold a society together:

  8. This the wet dream of the West old China with a good of the population stoned on opium. And Sepoy India it’s local muscle. Eastasia plunge into a bloody inferno.

  9. I’m no expert, but the prognostications about Australia don’t sound laughable or far-fetched at all to me. When you consider Australia’s geostrategic location vis-a-vis China, any anti-China entente–and particularly any Anglosphere member of such entente–is going to do whatever it can to bring Australia into its camp. The official Australian position (or propaganda) regarding nuclear technology, non-proliferation, regional stability, blah, blah, blah notwithstanding.

    Conversely, I’d have thought China would’ve already done its best to rope Australia into its orbit. I don’t know enough about Australia to have much idea what, if anything, the Chinese have done in that regard.

    The suspicion that the UK is going to try to use the Commonwealth as a basis for soft power or an economic bloc is, I believe, “spot on.” I’m guessing Hong Kong would’ve been eyed as a potential pillar in such a bloc, which may partly explain recent events in that country. (Considering the huge protests in Hong Kong last year, wasn’t it convenient how Covid came along and put a lid on the unrest?)

    1. As Gizars from Oz have stated, Oz is resource rich. China is production and cash rich. How much of US paper does China own and threaten to dump lately? One might expect that China has exercised a yuge amount of financial leverage over Oz and NZ these last few years – to the point that it’s obvious in their culture:

      http s://lbry.tv/@Covid19:4/COVID-19-has-descended-into-%E2%80%98cold-blooded-psychological-bullying%E2%80%99-Alan-Jones:7

    2. Right on the money. Australia is definitely a huge strategic piece in the entente to drying up communist china’s money supply in terms of the Belt Road Initiative going through Oz and the current trouble in Melbourne is undoubtedly symptomatic of that. For further clarification, read the below article:

      https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3087701/australias-victoria-back-spotlight-going-it-alone-belt-and

      Russia may be an unofficial fifth member of the Quad and they must definitely support the directive at the very least considering their position on the old chess board of earth and Putin’s recent speech where he is likely comparing nazi Germany to China.

      In terms of whether the UK would get involved in terms of miltiary influence, I highly doubt it, as it doesn’t need to and wouldnt make the faux pas of interfering – that would be diplomatically silly. It’s India & Japan who have the more pressing need to oppose China’s aggression. And France has lost the Franc in African to the Yuan and that is a huge loss to their economy so they have also been brought into this fray and it’s in their immediate financial interests to oppose China’s might in Africa to win back control of it’s currency in colonial Africa.

      https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/05/31/french-colonialism-lives-on-in-africa/

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036105/How-Chinas-taking-Africa-West-VERY-worried.html

      https://www.africanleadershipmagazine.co.uk/yuan-gains-increasing-popularity-in-africa/

      https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/august-2014/chinese-yuan-penetrates-african-markets

      Always follow the money!

  10. australia merely has to have the Federal Govt step in an instead of building gas power stations
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/government-unveils-gas-fired-coronavirus-recovery-plan/12663214
    build BWR nukes. Then, like Japan, if it want’s to wipe out another continent wait till the slipstream wind blows the right way and get Magna BSP Israeli security to blow it up.
    alternatively, just let Antifa light the fires again this coming summer as a schorched earth policy and kill all the last remaining koalas. Chinese , being Panda huggers, will not want to come here anyways.
    or give ALL the Chinese cheap QUANTAS flights to come here to live, but ONLY have visa workers maintain the aircraft on $2.50 an hour.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-15/backpacker-farm-workers-speak-of-wage-exploitation/12545294
    or how about an Opium Proof Fence across the Brisbane Line
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/nsw-37m-dog-fence-extension-underway/12660420
    with Queen Poppy again giving free opium to all the ‘Coolies’ in china
    or airdrop, Empire of the Sun style Corona (whatever) laced blankets all over China, weather warfare a chilly season, and have them labelled Corona Safe Blankets. Woohan Woolies we can call them
    / end of silliness.

  11. There’s been talk about an Asia like NATO for a while. Several authors, P Navarro, G Chang, M Pillsbury, R Gibson, and others have spoken up on the coming or rising of China to that extent, a force to reckon with. Folks that were not taken seriously a decade ago are now finding their due vindication and Wall St & K Street are running the numbers to cut their losses. Gordon Chang, (to paraphrase) often mentioned “America needs to defend itself.” Education institutions (some have doubts about those now), Hollywood, and big league sports (to name several) have issues STEMming from the pocket books. And in reference to the book by the then Chinese Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, it’s time that policy makers and elected officials get to doing the people’s business or leave (unless they prefer the humiliation of bad policies, corruption, and stinging defeats branded with their names – for some it’s too late). For the streets in DC, cutting their losses, re-establishing shop, and retooling elsewhere will keep them busy. People will not bail them out for their poorly made decisions for their short-term profits that self-serve only a few.

    As for the “entente,” the Asian pact will not likely take on the failings of the European Union in substance or name. More likely in the languages of the Cantonese, Taiwanese, Japanese, Tagalog, Hindi, and a few others in that neighborhood. English, of course, but only as a once major influencer in the region.

    The Western Pacific coalition that’s also been talked about now has grounds towards formation and not just “happy talk” as some have suggested. Nearly all those Western Pacific nations have been affected by the bully of dragons. People might have taken note of their shear numbers but realize it is a smaller number of corrupt string pullers that need to be dealt with sooner than later and that they do not represent the majority like they tout in session under that blood red banner. Evidence of need to check that burgeoning threat is pretty much global, too.

    One might add, We live in interesting times.

  12. Robert Barricklow

    That Kennan’s Russian policy happened to be assisted by Reinhard Gehlen. Although, he put in his own plan as well. The end result was a traitorous Yeltsin followed a Western script to rape his own country.

    So what Western assets are committing traitorous acts in China?
    Then, although Gelhen’s gone; the Nazi party is still alive and in the thick of geopolitics[and exopolitics]
    Also, remember, all Twentieth-Worst Century governments look to have two enemies: the NWO[covid1984] and their own citizens/people.
    Also, all know the USA is agreement incapable; and is undergoing their own traitorous actions as we speak. With those who raped Russia, looking for a USSA encore performance?

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Unfortunately, this is rhyming with WWII and the policy of weakening both Russia and Germany. Only here, it’s India and China.
      Others will take hits, but who ultimately wins?
      NWO? A U.N. booted enforcer of medical tyranny; racing to the bottom of humanity’s brainstem?

      The Nazi Party doesn’t want Brexit.
      I wonder what that Party’s policy is w/China?

      1. Agreed. Looks like Obama’s the Gorbachev, Trump’s the Yeltsin and we’re yet to see who the Putin is.

        And as in past world wars, (pestilence) where plandemics rolled up and controlled domestic populations and resistance to international relations, now we’re looking at the other of four horses (famine).

        http s://www.bit
        chute.com/video/yyoTl9nwFEOw/?list=notifications&randomize=false
        GERMANY STOPS HARVEST, BANS AGRICULTURE AS AFRICAN SWINE FEVER REACHES EUROPE

    2. “With those who raped Russia, looking for a USSA encore performance?” Bingo! Complete with red-white-and-blue color revolution.

  13. VATICAN SOUND OF SATAN

    Pope Nero-Caligula seeks a fall guy,
    who can take blame and die,
    by double stereo signal
    quadraphonical,
    in a supersonic subwoofer sky.

  14. The difference this time around as opposed to the Cold War is that London needs Canberra, Canberra doesn’t need London.

    Our high level strategic thinkers have been positing the ‘on our own’ thesis and alarm for quite a while now. The fickle nature of US corporate politics and British egocentrism is well know here in Australia.

    In reality, France is the nuclear power that would aid Australia in a nuclear arsenal-very strong technological/military programmes between Aus & France. We had a programme in the 50s-60s and were ‘sold up the creek’ by the British and Americans.

    We have learnt not to trust Britain….using Australian soldiers as shock troops over the last 120+ years to do their hard work to our detriment: Boer War, Gallipoli, Somme, Archangel, Singapore, Greece……let down by the UK time and time again.

    Post Brexit, the UK will need to put plenty on the table and we will not be the ‘subordinate colonials’.

    1. Whilst I would love Oz to get to the stage where that mantra is true – it simply isn’t. UK is the bigger power and it’s Australia who is looking for trade deal from UK, not the other way around. Its desperately been reaching out not the other way around. Oz also beholden to the Pacific Rim for trade and to oppose the might of Communist China. Because China is such a threat and it’s still weak comparatively it still needs UK I’m afraid until things change.

        1. I doubt France has any interest in aiding Australia in any long term capacity. France’s goal is to destabilise China long enough to re-install the Franc back in parts of colonial Africa that it has just lost to the Yuan.

      1. Sorry Katie B I have to disagree. The UK is desperate to get trade connections going with Australia due to the Brexit mess.

        Australia isn’t beholden to he pacific rim for trade at all.

        Australia isn’t weak at all.

        1. No problem, we’ll agree to disagree. I don’t mean Australia is weak, I mean it’s a weaker power, just a scaling phrase but one I could have picked better. I have family in Australia and wish it all the best.

          1. Right back at you ‘old chum’ 😉
            We won’t talk about the Rugby or the cricket though……thankfully youtube allows me to stay in the glory days of our national teams lol.

            Rule Britannia!
            Rule Terra Australis!

  15. One ‘accomplishment’ of Trump has been forcing other nations to consider what had been unthinkable – that the US was undependable. “Non-agreement capable,” in The Saker’s epic phrase. (Unilaterally pulling-out of the Iranian nuclear pact – and then threatening other nations with sanctions over it – was probably the last straw.) After the other nations picked-up their jaws, long-term planning started. We are beginning to see the results of that, now.

    On the UK, it will be interesting to see how they position themselves. The “sun never sets on the British Empire” phase is long over. The UK is a small, resource-poor island with an oversize financial sector and thermonuclear weapons. On the other hand, it is a stronghold of the SPMOTU (Self-Proclaimed Masters of the Universe). (Thanks, OC!) It will be fascinating to see how that balances out.

    Just as a heads-up, Israel is going into a national lock-down starting the morning of Friday, September 18th. They state it is for CV prevention. Yeah…

    As they are numerology buffs, consider the numbers 1 & 8. (Further, September is the 9th month, which might also be broken-down into 1 + 8.) Further reading:
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/what-is-chai/
    “Chai also refers to the number 18. That’s because each Hebrew letter has a numerical equivalent, and the sum of chet (numerical value of 8) and yud (numerical value of 10) is 18. As a result of its connection to the word for life, the number 18 is considered a special number in Jewish tradition. For this reason, Jews frequently make gifts or charitable contributions in multiples of $18.”

    Whether this Chai is because of the “life-saving” lockdown or because the Powers behind Israel are about to make a “gift” to themselves, we will shortly see…

    1. Good dig G. Makes one wonder if govts have a better reason than some over hyped under cooked flu for locking the globe’s civilians down. Perhaps it is for our protection, and it in deed does have nada to do with a virus. Which brings up more questions, like what good it does leadership (other than enriching oligarchs further) to lockdown and depress and suppress and oppress their domestic populations?

      https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/tech-titans-and-censorship-the-same-people-profiting-from-the-quarantine-are-censoring-criticisms-of-it/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=362cc1c6-4ad0-472f-9cd5-3ff16de1f106

    2. Possibly related to the Friday, September 18th (Chai) lockdown:
      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pompeo-vows-us-will-never-let-iran-acquire-russian-chinese-weapons
      “Weeks ago, the United States lost its bid to get the UN Security Council to extend the international arms embargo on Iran, which is set to expire October 18.

      And now on Tuesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is vowing to never let Iran acquire Chinese and Russian weapons, but it remains unclear precisely how he hopes to make this happen.”

    3. Possibly also related to the Friday, September 18th (Chai) lockdown:
      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/showdown-un-us-vows-full-iran-sanctions-snapback-begins-saturday-morning
      “On Aug. 20, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced at UN headquarters that the US will activate snap back sanctions, which even US allies say it has no authority to do, given Trump withdrew from the deal in May 2018…. The White House is ready to go it alone, promising that all prior UN sanctions will ‘snap back’ at 8 p.m. EDT on Saturday, according to remarks this week by newly appointed special envoy for Iran, Elliott Abrams.” (my italics)

      (Note from wikipedia: “Elliott Abrams was born into a Jewish family in New York in 1948.” No conflict of interest there…)

  16. Australian Federal Government’s position on nuclear weapons:

    https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/non-proliferation-disarmament-arms-control/nuclear-issues/Pages/australia-and-nuclear-weapons#:~:text=Australia%20does%20not%20possess%20any,not%20to%20acquire%20nuclear%20weapons.

    I tend to agree. I believe reasonable Australians agree on cost-benefit analysis there are better things to invest in.

    I wish that idiot who was briefly Prime Minister, Tony Abbott who voiced his opinion some years ago, would shut the hell up with his repertoire of dumb ideas. Some other examples:

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/pro-lifer-turned-end-of-lifer-tony-abbott-ac-ipa-rc-pe-gwpf-wtf,14271

    1. Keeping in mind that the anti-nuclear law and position has been around for a long time……in opposition to most strategic thinkers.

      It only takes the deteriorating Aus-China relationship to continue and the US nuclear umbrella to withdraw and the impetus for mass destruction weaponry as a deterrent would materialise in policy. It is already strong in the theoretical and parliamentary back bench.

      “More recent advocates have included Hugh White, who in a 2019 article in Quarterly Essay, reopened discussion on whether Australia should have its own nuclear deterrent. His concern was stimulated by indications that the USA was developing a more isolationist foreign policy.

      Defence strategist Paul Dibb has recommended that “Australia should at least be looking at options and lead times.” Peter Layton, a retired RAAF Group Captain who taught at the US National Defense University, expressed concern in a Lowy Institute article about the costs of nuclear weapons and their delivery systems and recommended that Australia should seek to acquire US or British nuclear weapons.

      Stephen Fruehling, an academic in the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at ANU, considered the possibility of developing nuclear weapons to create a defensive moat around the country to deter invasion by sea. He favoured the uranium enrichment pathway to the nuclear explosive.

      Meanwhile, supporters of nuclear power for Australia are becoming more vocal. They include the Federal Minister for Energy & Emissions Reduction, Angus Taylor, the Institute of Public Affairs, the Business Council of Australia and several members of the Coalition Government – all supported by conservative media, especially The Australian. None has yet publicly advocated the development of nuclear weapons. ”
      http://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/a-covert-push-for-nuclear-weapons/

      1. I don’t believe I am the only one that got the impression from the nuclear arsenal reductions circa the Regan-Gorbachev era, related to “better stuff” having been developed and deployed. The whole SDI space and land based platforms/ directed energy weapon ‘thingies’ and all that. Allegedly to counter the Russian nuclear ICBM threat, though some suggest a dual use capacity and intention.

        Nuclear bombs or the like are very much ‘old hat’. I recall having been made to look a fool in North Asia about ten years ago, with my brand new, top of the range mobile phone as supplied by the Australian Telco. To then discover the damned thing is obsolete and no longer supported by North Asian mobile networks. It would sadden me to see Australia get sold a whole lot of dated expensive junk because the sellers have way better and are looking for a return on their investment. Placed at the disposal of thinkers like Mr Abbott keen to join the Kim Jeong Un club? Very wise.

        Perhaps some other relevant quotes from the document in your link, which more accurately describe the thrust of the article: the first two and last two sentences;

        “Recent developments to push nuclear power in Australia has been promoted by the usual suspects of public advocates and further amplified in the conservative media. Arguments by both are both optimistic and inaccurate, indicating that a new generation of mini-nuclear power reactors are cheap and safe…”

        “If Australia follows the nuclear path, it provides our neighbours – especially Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia – with an incentive to follow. The proliferation of nuclear power in South East Asia would signal the start of a regional nuclear arms race, making the neighbourhood less safe than ever.”

        1. Look out if thorium deep drilled nuke power plants start coming to public attention. That’s a Gates funded idea from years ago.

        2. Only if you don’t believe that MAD/deterrence works.

          The reality is (and the part of this particular ASPI article I disagree with-is that most of Australia’s neighbours don’t have the capacity for nuclear weapons or delivery.

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