C-SETI MEANS “CHINA SETI”: LOOKING FOR EXTRATERRESTRIALS

C-SETI MEANS “CHINA SETI”: LOOKING FOR EXTRATERRESTRIALS ...

I''ve been receiving some odd emails containing odd articles about the search for extraterrestrials in the past few days. It's odd, because with all the hysteria about the Fauci-Lieber-Wuhan virus, the fact that anyone is noticing stories like this is somewhat surprising. Then again, perhaps it's not so surprising with so many people on "lockdowns" and spending more time at home on the computer looking for something interesting. In this case, the odd article, which appeared in no less than The Atlantic, was found and shared by E.G., and I noticed a couple of very odd things in the article that - as one might guess - have my suspicion meter in the red zone, and my high octane speculation motor running in overdrive:

What Happens If China Makes First Contact?

There's a lot going on here. From one point of view, the reason that China (or any other major power) might be looking for "ET" is rather obvious. Anyone to get from "out there" to "down here" would have to be possessed of very sophisticated technology, such that any "first contact" might rebound to that nation's benefit, provided that communication could be established (a big "if") and a deal negotiated for some of that advanced "ET technology" (an even bigger "if", though there have been stories out there in the ufology field for decades that this has in fact occurred.) A more modern slant on this decades-old ufology "meme" is that perhaps commerce of some sort could be established with the "contacted nation" enjoying some sort of "most-favored-nation" status in interplanetary commerce, a trade that could itself see some of that technology being offered in trade.

But that's not what caught my eye. The article focuses on China's most well-known science fiction author, Liu Cixin, who emphasizes a perspective unusual to American ufology: Liu, the article notes,

... has warned that the “appearance of this Other” might be imminent, and that it might result in our extinction. “Perhaps in ten thousand years, the starry sky that humankind gazes upon will remain empty and silent,” he writes in the postscript to one of his books. “But perhaps tomorrow we’ll wake up and find an alien spaceship the size of the Moon parked in orbit.”

For those brought up on American ufology, this idea that "the Other" might be a threat has always been in a decided minority. Since the days of the first "contactees" in American ufology in the 1950s, the predominant emphasis has been on "our peaceful and benevolent space brothers." Color me skeptical on that one for reasons I won't go into here. What leaped out at mean was the allusion to a Moon-sized spaceship. It was Isaac Newton who allegedly said that the only thing that gave him a headache was the Moon, doubtless because he saw the physics difficulties for the Moon to be where it is, doing what it is doing. Since then, other scientists and writers - Isaac Asimov for example - have commented on the same thing: by any of the favorite models on the origin of the Moon, from the "it was fissioned from the Earth early in Solar System history" to the theory that it was wandering through the Solar System one day and was "captured" by the Earth's gravity, how does either model explain how the Moon is in a nearly perfect circular orbit around the Earth (in what is in effect a double-planet system), with only one face or about 60% of it visible from the Earth and that the same 60% no less, even though the Moon, like the Earth, rotates around its own axis just like the Earth, and is at the precise distance from the Earth so that the Moon, during eclipses, blots out the Sun perfectly. How does one explain all that? By either model, the Moon's orbit should be more elliptical than it actually is. This has led some to speculate on the obvious physics problem, and to conclude that someone "parked it" there in such a precise way to do what it does. The theory may sound radical, but was actually first proposed by serious Soviet scientists in an article in Sputnik back in the 1970s.

So the allusion to this problem in an article about the Chinese search for ET is more than a little unusual. It seems more like a restatement of the problem, and the Soviet conclusion.

But there's something else that caught my eye in the article, and it was this:

Last January, the Chinese Academy of Sciences invited Liu Cixin, China’s preeminent science-fiction writer, to visit its new state-of-the-art radio dish in the country’s southwest. Almost twice as wide as the dish at America’s Arecibo Observatory, in the Puerto Rican jungle, the new Chinese dish is the largest in the world, if not the universe. Though it is sensitive enough to detect spy satellites even when they’re not broadcasting, its main uses will be scientific, including an unusual one: The dish is Earth’s first flagship observatory custom-built to listen for a message from an extraterrestrial intelligence. If such a sign comes down from the heavens during the next decade, China may well hear it first.

...

In recent years, Liu has joined the ranks of the global literati. In 2015, his novel The Three-Body Problem became the first work in translation to win the Hugo Award, science fiction’s most prestigious prize. Barack Obama told The New York Times that the book—the first in a trilogy—gave him cosmic perspective during the frenzy of his presidency. Liu told me that Obama’s staff asked him for an advance copy of the third volume.

At the end of the second volume, one of the main characters lays out the trilogy’s animating philosophy. No civilization should ever announce its presence to the cosmos, he says. Any other civilization that learns of its existence will perceive it as a threat to expand—as all civilizations do, eliminating their competitors until they encounter one with superior technology and are themselves eliminated. This grim cosmic outlook is called “dark-forest theory,” because it conceives of every civilization in the universe as a hunter hiding in a moonless woodland, listening for the first rustlings of a rival.

Of course, the trouble with Liu's "dark forest theory" is that the Earth has been sending out radio and tv signals since the 1920s, if not before, and "with reckless abandon" as far as the existence of ET's and Liu's "dark forest theory" are concerned. Of course, this doesn't negate Liu's theory; it just means "woops... too late. Already done..." But even that's not what caught my eye. Even though the article is dated Dec. 2017, I have to wonder about the mention of the Arecibo radio telescope, and its recent "accident," which may have been sabotage (as I blogged just a few days ago). I've been entertaining the idea that there may be some sort of covert warfare going on between the USA and China, and that the floods in China, and the covid narrative, may be components of that warfare. So here's today's high octane speculation. What if there was a suspicious "signal like" transmission, that only the very largest radio telescopes, such as the one in southwestern China, or Puerto Rico's Arecibo, was able to pick up? And what if one, or the other party in this covert warfare wanted to prevent its opposite number from hearing it? What would one do?

Why, one would find a way to shut down the opponent's facility.

Yes, I know... it's out there and totally wild... unless, of course, the Chinese telescope experiences an accident...

See you on the flip side...

76 thoughts on “ C-SETI MEANS “CHINA SETI”: LOOKING FOR EXTRATERRESTRIALS ...”

  1. Doc,
    Do these count as additions to the tidbit column or do we need some new headings for articles? Ideas taken to logical extremes as self limited diseases? Pharma crimes? Conspiracy facts? Captured regulators? Food crimes? Ah never mind, that list of threads grows to infinity and gets lumped into logical extremes.

    Just the same. Saw these this morning.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/horrifying-video-tesla-reportedly-ran-out-control-chinese-city-street-leaving-mangled?utm_campaign=&utm_content=ZeroHedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/08/21/greece-announces-up-to-life-in-prison-for-violating-coronavirus-quarantine-rules/

  2. might as well throw it in here, looks to me like Saturn’s hex north pole, Titan has one too, though not as titanic (sorry, couldnt help it).

    https://apod. nasa.gov/apod/ap200820.html

    https://apod.
    nasa.gov/apod/image/2008/PIA21923_fig1SeeingTitan2400.jpg

  3. Brendon O’Connell does have a knack.
    https://www.bit ch ute.com/video/XbHQwVkRTFc1/?list=notifications&randomize=false
    108. SHADOW GATE – DO DRAG QUEENS OR ROTHSCHILD RUN THE SHOW?
    Looking grim in US

  4. VATICAN PLANETARY DECEPTION

    Pope Nero-Caligula plays on schisms,
    provided by a variety of -isms,
    to herd cattle by fences
    towards trenches,
    while pope hides behind pietisms.

  5. Stealing what the Others have by the Party?!?!?! . . . Very bad Karma. Thinking about it also very very bad Karma. . .

  6. After viewing 5 different ex-military revealing in separate interviews the decades-long involvement of ETs with at least the US, Russia, China and the UK, as well as testimony by these men of their personal experiences as soldiers, pilots and freight haulers among planets and their inhabitants far beyond our solar system, an article hinting that the Chinese are trying to beat us in the race to make ET contact seems to suggest a need for the author to do more research.

    1. Dasavin….correctly put!! According to Robert Dean, “others” have been walking the halls of the Pentagon for decades….so it goes without saying, the same must be true of other countries!

  7. Robert Barricklow

    Or, that life has no beginning, nor ending?
    Is this life all basically the same in structure[dna, ect], including multidimensional facets?
    In other words, spiritually alive? Never dying?
    The observer, ever present?

    Or, is life a commercial enterprise, tightly controlled[dna a sophisticated bar code/surveillance tag]? A commodity that is always undergoing change, experimentation, etc., – to further the product line and … ?

    1. The fact that you are able to formulate such questions suggest that there could be at least a degree of freedom 😉
      And maybe even the possibility to modify the code itself: a hologram that evolves by our own awareness of this hologram?
      The observer, ever present. What else 🙂

      1. Robert Barricklow

        Alex
        I’ve even theorized that perception can alter the universe one sees and hears. Our perceptions literally shape our world[s]. My universe and yours are the same in 3D[so to speak], but vastly different in our conceptual perception. Our conversation, although fluid in both contexts, my be very different in our singular conception[s].
        Then add more people, and the universe expands exponentially.
        Yet in all three, there is the presence of the holy spirit that is the same for each of us; in that it is intimately spiritual; and impossible to capture in any coherent medium.

      2. Robert Barricklow

        Then there is the transhumanism putsch of leveraging data streams from; sensory substitution[feeding vision or hearing through different data streams into/onto the brain]; sensory enhancement[making your sight or hearing better through theses sensory augmentations]; or, sensory addition[like adding magnetic orientation augmentation, for a new kind of human experience]. All these data streams being leveraged directly into perception[via the brain’s interpretation].

      3. Robert Barricklow

        Whatever data the brain receives from these new technologies, it makes use of. Now “they are saying because the world is so bloated full of information; that big data is going to have to transition from accessing data to experiencing it. Instead of running the machines; your plugged in to experience it. You become the factory; or, an astronaut experiences the health of the space station. The concept is being called: shared perception. Picture a couple who experience each other’s data. She calls her husband/Why are you feeling so stressed?
        Soon[think Gates of Hell] they’ll be building bio-nanobots from proteins by encoding them in the DNA. Or, nanorobotics; think 3-D printing w/atomic precision. Long story short, reaching a stage in which each neuron can be read and controlled individually.
        Perceptions of freedom becomes programmable. An artistic rendition, picturing mankind’s pinnacle of knowledge.

  8. Picked up another narrative from Loxie Lou on
    https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/08/now-wait-a-minute-the-cdcs-new-numbers/#comment-101976

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRCuecScNn8
    Odd perspective combined with a bit we already know of titanium rods of the deity and NASA’s DART satellites. Intellihub was projecting that we are not being told about a cloud of asteroids threatening Earth as predicted at this time with a probably hit already in Akure, Nigeria. These guys are positing that we are all in COG and FEMA run govt justified by this horrible threat from outside and disguised as CV1984 and that NASA’s DARTs are going to protect us by nudging any threats away from Earth.

    I doubt it has not occurred to Intellihub that the perceived hit in Akure could have been a titanium rod shot from a DART and mislabeled as the new boogeyman of this next news cycle now that CV1984 is getting old and the bad actors are daily becoming more exposed. Either way it does sound like California is high on the next target list.

  9. The consistency of the earth facing surface of the moon intrigues me. Could this be an electromagnetic phenomenon? (Like a compass needle) If this is true, it would strongly support the moon being manufactured as opposed to being the result of cooled magma.

    1. No that is physics, its tidally locked.

      All major moons are tidal locked, even of jupiter like . Europa is tidal locked , same case with Titan.

  10. As ever, I will go with electric universe theory that the moon’s odd characteristics are easily and comprehensively explained by electromag forces and properities. The two bodies are electromag phased locked as they are both with the sun. Gravity exists alright albeit a weak force, probably a side effect of electromag force (which is approx 1 x 10 to the 32nd power times stronger).

    1. Unbelievable woman, really gets everywhere. Good deep researcher. If not family of the good doctor then shurely spiritually.

  11. Off topic, but I thought I’d document this ‘event’ before it moves-down his page into obscurity:
    http://82.221.129.208/.ve5.html
    “Richfield airstrip: An elite gathering?

    A large number of large private jets landed at the municipal airport at Richfield, Utah. No one knows why, but they came in last night [9/2], about 7 total. None of the stories being told can explain why they are there, when there are other airports in the area that would be better for that. It really looks like a group of people ‘bugged out’ or is having a meeting in the area. Not one jet of the type that landed there has ever landed there, and suddenly all in one whack there are 7.

    A few years ago, Richfield – which is a small community of about 5,000 – suddenly got tasked with the job of building an enormous airstrip from city funds. No one knew why, because no one there had an airplane that could justify such a facility. No large aircraft ever landed there. Now this…”

    1. Noteworthy on his article a couple pages down on Spain.
      http://82.221.129.208/.ve5.html
      VERY IMPORTANT INTEL FROM SPAIN
      This tripped instant bans on popular forums which I wanted to post to so I could get it onto this site without using Claudia’s computer (which is kept separate) I finally found one that did not instantly ban this post. I know for certain this type of instant ban gets put in place when a topic is globally censored, like “tsunami bomb” was at the time of the Japan earthquake.
      Apreciado Jaime:
      You can NOT imagine what gov pretends here. Intel is coming out directly from military personnel who so terrified about orders received, involving to act against the people, they have become involuntary insiders.

      In Spain extermination plans started with elderly during the first 3 months of this year; so researchers have realized the 30.000 dead is very conservative figures. We have testimonials of elderly caretakers, in nursing homes, who received orders to closing doors and many of them escaped from these nursing homes because the could not resist the screams of elderly asking for food and water while knocking doors till the y all died.

      Second extermination plans is just starting in September, target: children, via fake PCR and AI vaccines.

      September also will see a new massive lockdown starting th 18th

      October:

      possible borders closure

      November:

      First, main big supermarkets and Second small groceries closing due to lack of supplies, which means disappearance of fresh products like fruits and vegetables.

      Army trucks will deliver canned food, some infected with new strains of botulism

      December:

      Possible internet closing to avoid people ask for help abroad Mass detentions, concentration camps, FEMA like Water, gas and power outages of indeterminate duration Food and water shortages

      This is what they WANT TO DO, another thing is they will not be able since cabal is sinking here and there, but probably they will try to harm as much as possible.

      Dale Recuerdos a Claudia y se mejore lo antes posible. Un fuerte abrazo

      My comment: What could possibly be in that message that would trip auto bans on major forums? Can you say “Tsunami bomb”???

      Clearly, someone has something to hide.

        1. Yep, Fulford is always to be taken with a tablespoon of salt. Check what ‘feels right’ and all of that.

          I read Fulford because he was one of the very few who had the courage to back Jim Stone in his Fukushima claims (earthquake on land was far lower than MSM broadcast; tsunami never took-out all the plant cooling pumps but Stuxnet did; when reactors 3&4 did not melt down from heat, small smuggled-in nukes were used on them; reactor 4 ‘blew’ despite being shut-down for major maintenance with the vessel top removed and the fuel rods gone).
          http://82.221.129.208/fukureport1b.pdf
          Most other ‘alternative’ sites (including Rense) backed the MSM line or remained silent. Not Fulford. That deserves some loyalty…

        2. For instance if you read his fuku report (linked below) he contacted japanese seizmograph stations in short time march 2011 before they were shut up to show that the quake was A) nothing like a 9.1 reichter and B) stronger inland than on the Sendai side of the supposed source offshore…. that would be like someone contacting Chinese bio labs before they were ordered to destroy all COVID samples.

          1. I don’t know if it is in Jim Stone’s current Fukushima report, but JS ridiculed later (MSM) seismograph values. At the time, there were several on-line videos of Japanese offices and stores, filmed as the “9.1” happened. JS would note how little shimmying & shaking went on and how little true damage occurred. He went-on to correlate the movements with other videos of different quakes. If I remember correctly, JS estimated around a true 6+. Then, he would illustrate how everyone in the “9.1” videos would have died horribly, if it was a true 9.1 quake (through massively greater energies). JS is really good, and has been persecuted accordingly…

    2. Jim almost gone for us, his latest altert on paypal, emails etc blocked (they are putting him on the dark side of the moon) and very unusually for 30 min I could not get his site to come up, even with, as I always do, putting in his ip number to not depend on compromised dns servers. stay tune for his Karenator… if it’s the last thing he gets out.
      (going off topic) amazing instant arrests across Australia for anti lockdown protesters a few months after the cops said “we cannot arrest 10,000 people” when blm did their thing.

  12. Robert Barricklow

    I like this blog because it implies there has been no contact as yet. But, there’s that artificial Moon starring brightly down on Earth.

    Leaving that conundrum aside; usually when “they” do these kind of: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, ops; it’s a multiplicity of targets being cross+haired.

  13. Telescopes, optical or otherwise: why shouldn’t there be an observer effect here too? The reported closing of observatories could be part of a perception war among a variety of parties. Think of space rocks or ETs being observed then “summoned” (or vice versa)?

    1. If one is to entertain that observer effect of that duo (observer/experimenter effect) then that might beg the question of what the experiment is and/or what is pursued or observed. The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) might be considered a biased approach to any observation made by the telescope as it implies that a search might reveal such phenomenon.

      Then again, the Others may not be getting the credit they deserve for acquiring relevant intelligence on this presumptive up right simian intelligence. This upright simian type is more likely to be seen chasing its long removed vestigial tail than the Others whose characteristics seem far removed from hominid ape like folk. That might beg the question, “Are life forms on planet Earth their experiment (or creation) for which they observe and the observed up right simian type (Earthlings) seemingly becoming aware of their placement in this grander scheme of things?” And not quite good at catching the Others observing? Some folks are not so sure that it’s impossible to seek the Others. Some have suggested being part of a visitation already. Every now and then there seems to be a, . . what’s the phrase,. . . “crise de conscience” amongst us corporeal forms that has a profound difficulty dealing with remorse as one departs the corporeal realizing that there is a spiritual component of Being that was neglected only to return and do some damage control. Nearly all cultures have some reference to this mostly unexplainable . . . something, yet loads of language, ritual, and dialogue devoted toward avoiding it. That’s not to say each citizen of planet Earth must become a historian (wouldn’t hurt to have at least a handle on History 101 (the unaltered)) or metaphysicist, but I think a myopic-short-sighted-tunnel-vision approach (as I call it) keeps one in the darkness of being blinded to the ‘larger picture’ despite both seeing eyes open. Just saying.

      1. It’s wonderful to know there IS a Bigger Picture….not sure what it is, but I like the one that we are just Players in Somebody Else’s Big Video Game!!

        At least that is the conclusion I came to after a crash course, beginning at age 70, listening to so many Wh- blowers & Experiencers!! 😉

        1. A bigger picture, indeed. . . It’s a Whopper! . . With NO waste of space, should a language be referenced for characterization.

  14. Depends upon which model of the Universe you choose to move into. One life is extremely rare and only exists on Earth or just a few other places in each galaxy. Two life is abundant and found whenever and however it can exist everywhere. Some planets, moons, and space rocks may just have hardy microbial life while more favorable climates on other worlds may have complex. If there is an abundance and an abundance of technologically and mentally advanced life that can travel the stars or pierce the veil of space/time to travel through the Universe then it will be peaceful. They may use communications we have yet to be able to detect much less produce. Though quantum communications may be an attempt to replicate a favored we learned about through reverse engineering captured entities. If there is only one other than they likely are aggressive and destroy threats that evolve. Once you reach a certain level of advancement much greater than our own you become too dangerous to mess with and if there is a proliferation of such advanced species then they could only co-exist if they were respectful of each other. Our leaders are too primitive and unsophisticated to get this or join in to such potential intersteller cultures. Higher evolved versions of Man are born among us but because they are so different from the primitive majority they rarely breed more of their genetics into the population because they are social outcasts. There is something in our culture that is very resistant to evolving and I suspect it got there by the practice of our leaders deliberate domestication and stunting of their people. Where this wasn’t the norm advanced species have far surpassed our capabilities in a much shorter amount of time and effort.

    1. You might enjoy long interaction with Japanese folk. There’s a reason why their CEO pay is typically tiny compared to all other CEO pay. Culturally, the rest of the world does not know how to tip. That’s not to say Japanese culture is spendthrifty. It is to say that these folk routinely take care of their own. All of my Japanese friends still feel deep shame after the first Western type layoffs their companies experienced. Even more shame for the homeless that started appearing in their streets afterward.

      Feels like it’s an overreach to use the word “leader” describing any of the folk currently exploiting us.

  15. “At the end of the second volume, one of the main characters lays out the trilogy’s animating philosophy. No civilization should ever announce its presence to the cosmos, he says. Any other civilization that learns of its existence will perceive it as a threat to expand—as all civilizations do, eliminating their competitors until they encounter one with superior technology and are themselves eliminated.”

    Well that’s a rather simplistic and rudimentary view of the psychology and motivations of a highly advanced civilization.

    It is also quite possible that such a civilization, through decadence, guilt-motivated altruism, indoctrination by fifth columnists and the machinations of rich and influential individuals, drops its guard and is then inundated with aliens.

    In such a scenario, we could have George Soros team up with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk to take them down by funding interstellar boat people.

    1. Ha. Beautiful.

      The thought occurred to me earlier to day and Gosh reminded me in the comment below: the Atticus Finch paradigm. Was trying to consider where this culture is headed after seeing a group of people I used to know. They turned out as I expected.

      When Atticus (To Kill a Mockingbird) makes his stand, he clarifies that right or wrong, he will not give up due process nor innocent until proven guilty. I realized today that long before cv1984, we have seen aggressive work at forcing all of us to abandon these two concepts. Even professional wrestling pushes in that direction. The folk most enthused about masks and tests and vaccines and lockdowns are all those who hated Atticus for his freedoms. It’s the mob mentality. It doesn’t matter what direction it wants to go. All directions that the mob takes aggressively, entail violence – or “mostly peaceful protests.” Either by design or by provocateur.

      1. CV1984 will be just another op in that regression away from our rights. It’s musical chairs with a psychopath running the game. What the mob fails to see is that their chairs get removed too. I think owls are the only predator I have ever heard of that has driven their prey to destroy each other for the predator. Um, wait. Forgot about wolf packs panicking herd to run off cliffs.

  16. Thinking further along “the Moon is an extinct Berserker” angle, a semi-SF view might explain a few things:

    If it was (warship) Moon versus ancient Earth-based civilizations, the ‘spacecraft’ may have entered Earth orbit and matched rotation with Earth before starting to destroy our culture. Earth’s return-fire may have taken-out most of the Moon’s capabilities. If you look at a global view of the Moon, most of the large Mares (lava-filled craters) occur on the near side, just as if direct ‘broadsides’ were exchanged like in old sailing-ship days.

    If the Moon were AI controlled, the ‘inner workings’ may have gone dormant. Back on Earth, civilization may have been knocked-back to pre-computer levels (at least). The AI would have had to wait passively for humanity to re-develop higher tech. Once computer networks were re-evolved, they could easily be compromised. That might explain how ‘weird’ society has become since the internet became ubiquitous…

    (There is an argument that knocked-back humanity was ‘guided’ into paths that would lead into computer tech. This would necessitate small but influential landing parties. That ‘path’ would also include minimizing humanity’s ESP potential – just as is seen throughout history – as that could be a real threat to AI…)

    Perhaps, China has some thoughts about the ‘naturalness’ of our Moon. That might explain a landing into the deepest crater on the Moon, where you might find interesting things

    1. The proliferation and length of stone age culture is proof we never were advanced. Something other that was advanced may have come here and later destroyed themselves but we were never very advanced ourselves. You don’t fall that far from a collapse of civilization.

      1. A collapse of civilization “from inside” probably does not fall that far. A collapse of civilization “from outside” may do so. Imagine a Battlestar Galactica intensity-of-attack that takes-out 99.9% of your population and resources. A few generations later, most survivors would have lost any technology and would be effectively in a stone age culture. (“Civilized” remnants would be in the worst position. Do they know how to locate and smelt copper & tin to create bronze?) Give it a few thousand years for the forests and jungles to reclaim abandoned vestiges, and there would only be memories of a past Golden Age. It would take a long time to ‘climb back’ under such conditions…

        1. I just see that as the most unlikeliest of scenarios. Too much genetic diversity in humans equals large diverse population spread out over a long period of time. They all would have had to be decimated. Whatever may have fallen here obviously didn’t tweak all of us and the few it did use likely tried to copy what they learned and saw after they disappeared. They however must have been very few in number if they ever existed to begin with.

          1. I am of the opinion that a fairly good case can be made for preexisting advanced civilizations on this planet. How many is anyone’s guess. At least one of them attempted to encode knowledge within the Great pyramid. By the time we discovered it, we had already recovered that knowledge.

          2. Epigenetics is another argument for rapid diversification possibilities. In fact even probable. And much faster than we ever dreamed.

  17. Of course the Chinese would be interested in looking for extraterrestrial races. This does not surprise me in the least. One of the oldest texts from China tell stories of Sun Wukung, the Monkey King. His domain included civilizations on both the moon and in the oceans. Like India and Sumer before it, China is primed culturally to embrace the possibility of an interstellar and trans-dimensional civilization relationships. Their adaptation of these stories into a Marxist framework may not necessarily render them as “fiction” in a Western sense simply by adopting a materialistic philosophy. In a rather ingenious way, Marxist ideology may well humanize these stories and provide incentive for serious investigation. I don’t see them as being ahead in this game, but gaining entry into a game that has been long established. Arecibo’s “decommissioning” appears to not be an abandonment of the mission–but of taking an existing mission black because something was found requiring management before anything significant was revealed. If China’s dish lives long enough to be decommissioned also, this increases those odds by a significant margin. The reason this site may exist may be just an attempt to confirm what they long suspected, then to determine how to reverse engineer where the new sites technologies are located that might be used to investigate this covertly. I’m thinking “Ender’s Game” scenarios here.

    1. Agreed on perspective on Arecibo and now all blackened observatories. No such think as coincidence on blackened accounting books for govt and universities eh?

      Previously we had some disagreement on whether or not Arecibo was sabotaged. It does look like a link to a cable was slipped and that the cable was not cut. Curious is a cable link system could be made to slip.

      In terms of visitors to our home? Might be more likely that they will be more advanced that us (even taking into account currently blackened out tech) to a degree that we find difficult to notice, let alone comprehend, let alone understand. Understanding is what most determines who is prey, predator, farmer, livestock and working dog.

  18. Interesting stuff… I suspect the Moon was indeed deliberately “parked” long ago, for purposes of surveillance, containment, siege, offense, defense, logistics, or something.

    An American telescope being taken out by China as part of a covert hot war (which I’m convinced is going on)? No trouble believing that one either. In that case, I’d wonder if it wasn’t actually about the ability to see surveillance/communication satellites and space-based weaponry being deployed and used, rather than anything to do with ET.

    In fairness to ET, I’m sure he/she/it is out there, and maybe down here, and has been interacting with our planet for an extremely long time. The “dark forest theory” is a necessary scenario to plan for, but I sometimes wonder if we’re not over-anthropomorphizing ETs. The ones that were written about in the ancient texts probably are a lot like us, mentally and behaviorally. But, who knows, it’s possible many of them don’t even have the concept of warfare or hunting–if, for instance, they simply don’t need it, due to their technology or the physics of the dimension they come from.

    1. You said: The ones that were written about in the ancient texts probably are a lot like us, mentally and behaviorally. But, who knows, it’s possible many of them don’t even have the concept of warfare or hunting–if, for instance, they simply don’t need it, due to their technology or the physics of the dimension they come from.”

      If the texts tell us anything, I would say the skills you reject are the very foundation for their success. The more likely scenario is they are actually better at warfare and hunting than we are. Since we’re dealing with China here, if you look at the stories of Sun Wukung you’ll see them a full bloom. The Sumerian myths and Hindi myths suggest the same. People forget that “peace” is just another tactic of warfare, deployed when there is strategic advantage for use. I believe all races who reach the stars derive those skills through hunting and warfare. These praxes are absolutely required for effective and efficient management. As my world view is a more Orthodox and Christian, I don’t see either the intuition or practices (praxes) as evil. I think the problem lies elsewhere.

      The praxes from which these intuitions are derived is a consequence of the “three Falls” within the human race–where these “praxes” were warped into corrosive hunting and warfare as an expression of personal and corporate desire and self-will. All religious literature, including Christian literature, speak of an injection point within the human species, who then adopts the misapplication of intuition and strategies following a similar pattern of misuse and abuse. By analogy, in simple, American rural terms, I’m saying: guns and their use are not necessarily the problem for suffering. But, when guns and their misuse are coupled together, bad things will happen without sufficient remedy. I believe we are looking at the misuse of hunting, war and peace as praxes for bad behavior and destruction, whereas, when properly deployed against appropriate problems, they can be very efficient management strategies. (If you have ever dealt with kudzu, you get the idea right away! Against kudzu, its total war unless you have a problem with erosion. If erosion is an issue you sue for peace and manage.)

      1. All good points. Didn’t mean to put a moral judgment on hunting or warfare; they have been necessary to the species on our planet and, I’m sure, to species on other planets. My thinking was more that maybe there are ET beings that live and think in ways we can’t imagine–unfounded conjecture on my part, for sure.

    2. Remember the stories how the rebellious ones get thrown out of the Heavens. If aggressive ones do take to the stars then they likely wind up getting destroyed by the more advanced peaceful ones. One such aggressive group may have fled here to try and escape. They were not allowed to leave this planet because of their nature and later wound up destroying themselves because of that nature. Some ET’s from the peaceful Heavens may be monitoring us because they recognize our potential to be like them or to be like the fallen ones of old. Which will we choose to be? It’s obvious what our leaders have chosen including the Chinese.

        1. A surgical removal of our parasitic elite and their minions would go a long way to advancing the human race.
          Just saying…

          1. Say on… Still, I have this nagging feeling that the “new elite” will be as bad as the “old elite”. After more than a century of “self-rule” the USA has proven just as incapable as every other nation at managing wisely. Look at us–and weep.

      1. Roger, your comment made me think of the tack Robert Stanley took after his early experiences with what some would call the “gin”. One of the sons of a “god” went beserk & thus we have the mess we have on Earth???

        1. Consider the innate conflict between the Angelic and Demonic. Consider the Heavens may be full of Angelic beings but since we are Demonic beings for the most part we have not been embraced by the Angelic. The Angelic may be trying to save us from our demonic influences and tendacies but our leaders just won’t let the teachings of Heaven sent teachers remain uncorrupt.

    3. What if the ETs we call are also humans? Yeah when the first Europeans landed on America, native Americans thought these people as ET, without knowing that they have a lot in common. Whenever UFO makes the first contact. They might be humans. Maybe a small difference in DNA.

      And most likely they going to speak English, no alien going to make the first contact without learning human languages or humanity and our cultures..

      I sometimes find it very weird when in movies it showed that aliens are trying to speak with us in there language. I mean ET must not be that dumb where they expect that we know their languages.

      But I disagree with the warfare part, which is a common part of any species, society, and civilization. Might be we are more paranoid as species because several times we were just an inch away from extinction. But even a mature species always know warfare, peace always be achieved after war. And without knowing warfare, you invite other species(might be like us) to attack you.

      Why lowering your guards? And causing the extinction of your species?

      1. Evolved species with real intelligence have no need of warfare. There are no shortages of resources in the Universe to fight over. Knowledge of self defense and having the ability to defend yourself is wise but warfare is a sign of lower consciousness and intellect. There are no shortages of resources on our planet and over population is a sign of weakness and lack of intellect. Suppressing the third world is creating over population; all the first world nations were beginning to shrink. Only reason we mine more instead of recycling what we have already mined is because our monetary system is in the hands of private, primitive minds bent upon using their monopoly money to conquer the world instead of building it up. They create the illusion of a scarcity to justify all their wars of dominion and suppression.

  19. It has been postulated, by many, that our planet may be under some form of quarantine where the losers of an interplanetary war may have been placed in order to make the Solar system/galaxy a safer place. We are, by nature, a war like species.
    Given the cyclic nature of catastrophes which seem to reset us back to the stone age on a regular basis, you couldn’t have chosen a better prison. We have just enough time to reach a certain technological level where we have the potential to expand; if only we could lose that war like nature and apply all that expense and effort into peaceful expansion.
    I have no difficulty believing we are not alone in the Universe and that we have reached a point in our development where we may, once again, pose a rising, potential threat to whomever may be out their observing.
    Apparently we are slow learners doomed to repeat our past mistakes yet again.

      1. There are countless scenarios one could imagine. Yours is as valid as any others.
        I would add to my previous post that the custodians of such a prison planet might, prior to such cyclic catastrophes, return to select those among us whom they deem worthy to carry on our species aboard an ark to be reseeded after it passes in an effort to repopulate our species with a more favorable version of ourselves. A “meek shall inherit the Earth” scenario.
        Intelligent, advanced life may not be as prevalent throughout the Universe as we suspect. Efforts may be made on our behalf by those who have advanced beyond where we find ourselves at present to save what can be saved.
        Who knows? Your glass may be half empty and mine half full…

        1. WD, I did not mean to seem confrontational. Sorry if it appeared that way. Any viewpoint is valid, until we get sufficient ‘data’.

          Your scenario semi-matches the back-story of the latest “The Day the Earth Stood Still” SF movie (2008), if you include selected humans in the ‘arks’…

          1. LOL, it most certainly was not taken as confrontational, no apology necessary. We are a diverse group with diverse ideas discussing topics which we have very little concrete evidence on. It’s good to share our thoughts on these matters.

          2. Well said WD. You guys are half the reason we are here. Thank you. (ok maybe a little more than half.)

  20. China and Russia (and India) have had the ‘advantage’ that UFO-related commentary was not shut-down with mockery and shaming: “All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.” (MIB Agent Kay) Thus, in combination with ancient ‘myths’ that we were visited or occupied, they are ready to incorporate UFO-related possibilities into their thinking/planning. (Plus, their ‘snooping’ of us may have turned-up classified material – real or planted – that is causing increased interest…)

    On the Moon, there is an intriguing, fact-based book Who Built the Moon? by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler. Amazon: “The authors of Civilization One return, bringing new evidence about the Moon that will shake up our world. [They] realized that the ancient system of geometry they presented in their earlier, breakthrough study works as perfectly for the Moon as it does the Earth. On further investigation, they found a consistent sequence of beautiful integer numbers when looking at every major aspect of the Moon – no such pattern emerges for any other planet or moon in the solar system.”

    I half-seriously favor that the Moon is an extinct Berserker (from Fred Saberhagen’s terrifying SF novels). It limped to Earth after one-too-many battles, established orbit, and either ‘died’ or went into ‘hibernation’. Want to know why the Moon has so many huge craters? Think about it…

    1. goshawks, anyone who knows anything about probability theory knows the odds of the moon being a natural body with these numbers encoded in its geometry is very, very low. Now, increasing the number of such bodies in the universal to near infinity increases the odds–until you realize that in set theory, all infinities are not equal in the size of their domains, so that infinite number has to be small enough to not fill the night sky with visible satellites, thus obscuring the view of stars. That the moon is a natural body seems at best a “safe” argument because it begs the question, “who built it?” Arguments for the natural moon theory remind me of medieval theological studies on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Yes, this is materialistic scholasticism at its absolute finest!

      1. Such geometry fills the whole Universe, our Moon’s is a potential thus it is. But advance life may park such around worlds where it would help advance life evolution. They may be manipulating countless planets to increase the complexity of life evolution on them. And they may monitor all of them. They rejoice at the ones who evolve and join the nature of Heavens. And lament fools like us.

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