Yesterday I blogged about Israel's recent decision not to sell its AWACs system to Communist China, and to sell it to India, as a bit of confirmation about my hypothesis that we're watching the emergence of the formation of a quadruple entente in Asia and the Western Pacific.  I've been entertaining this idea of a "quadruple entente" ever since the unsuccessful Chinese border incursion into India. Not surprisingly, this incursion provoked a rather "firm" response from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Mohdi, and it looks like whatever good will China managed to build with that, and other, countries in the Shanghai accords or "BRICS" nations is all but squandered now. India is putting on hold its own component of China's silk road project, and to put the whole matter country simple, the BRICS nations of the 2010s are a thing of the past. They're "so yesterday."

With that context in mind, it looks like others are seeing the emergence of this "quadruple entente" as well, according to this article shared by K.M.:

Quad Countries Could Formalise an Arc of Democracy in Indo-Pacific

What's of note here is that my hypothesis of a "quadruple entente" could become an actual formal agreement, rather than merely an understanding that "China is the problem", but, there is a twist, and it's a big one, and its a profound hint at the key and pivotal role Japan plays in all of this:

Australia, America, Japan, and India could formalise their quadrilateral strategic security ties at an in-person ministerial meeting in Delhi in the coming weeks.

Attending an online seminar at the annual U.S.—India Strategic Partnership Forum on Aug. 31, the Deputy Secretary of the U.S. State Department Stephen Biegun said the Indo-Pacific was lacking strong multilateral structures.


Known colloquially as the Quad, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) was first formed in 2007 by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. It has since met on a semi-regular basis to discuss regional economic issues and hold joint military drills like the Malabar Exercises in India.

Predominantly an informal strategic forum for the four liberal democracies over the past 13 years, Abe’s goal of establishing the dialogue was to create an Asian arc of democracy—one that could be extended to include virtually all countries that sit on the periphery of China, including the states in Central Asia, Mongolia, the Korean peninsula, and other countries in Southeast Asia.


Rand senior defence analyst Derek Grossman noted in July: “For the first time in the Quad’s history, the stars are aligning for a harder line on China, and the implications going forward could be significant.”

The Quad now has a concrete resolve to deter China, as all members have recently been on the receiving end of Beijing’s wolf warrior diplomacy, Grossman believes.

But he noted that the recent strengthening of the QUAD would be viewed unfavourably by Beijing as the regime sees the Quad as a military alliance meant to “contain” and threaten China.

Note several things in this article tends to confirm my own speculations: (1) Shinzo Abe, and Japan, were the lynch pin in putting forward the idea, and (2) China's own aggressiveness has helped pave the way for what could become a more formal arrangement. This has some immediate repercussions. With Prime Minister Abe's recent announcement of his intention to resign the premiership of Japan, the way is open to new leadership of the Japanese Liberal Democrats. As I've blogged about previously, one should not expect any major shift of long-term Japanese policy, especially in this regard. In fact, if anything, my own speculation is that we'll see Abe's line of diplomacy being pursued with even more vigor, including his push to amend the Japanese constitution to allow for greater defense spending, all but a foregone conclusion if a "quadruple entente" is to become a more formal arrangement.

However, the reader will immediately spot a difference between this formalization as outlined in the article, and my idea of a "quadruple entente." In my thinking, the fourth member of that entente was, and is, Russia. In the article, that fourth member is Australia. So why the difference?

Well, frankly, I don't see much of a difference, and in fact, should the article's version of a quadruple entente become formalized, then this would put both Japan and Russia into an even more decisive role in that arrangement. This requires a little explanation. The article reference's Japan's long term diplomatic objective to create an "arc of democracy" inclusive of "virtually all countries that sit on the periphery of China, including the states in Central Asia, Mongolia, the Korean peninsula, and other countries in southeast Asia." Russia certainly qualifies at least in so far as it shares a long common border with Chinese Manchuria. But the mention of Mongolia here is also significant, given that country's long association with Soviet Russia. In other words, while Russia may not become an actual formal partner in any formal arrangement (now doubt due to US intransigence on the matter  of anything Russian), it nonetheless will be kept "in the loop", if for no other reason than that Japan wants and needs Russia, as Russia wants and needs Japan. Not being a component of any formal arrangement allows Russia to be the middle man between such a bloc, and Bejing, giving Russia considerable leverage diplomatically. Thus far Russia, which wants to build out its Siberian infrastructure, expand its rail trunk lines in the vast region to serve its expanding agriculture, and to open up more Siberian resources, and which eventually wants to develop high speed rail along the Trans-Siberian, has been turning to China for the capital and technology to do that.  But Japan has capital, and similar technology to offer in return for those Russian energy resources, resources which currently come from the Middle East along routes easily interdictable by  China. In other words, geopolitical and financial reasons are forcing the two countries - Japan and Russia - into mutual diplomacy, and no amount of foot-stomping and finger-wagging in Swamptington, DC or Beijing are going to change that. The only thing that might put a temporary damper on that is if that "formal arrangement" between India, the USA, Australia, and Japan were to include some protocol that no agreements with Russia could be made bitlaterally between the signatory powers, without the approval of all, an unlikely event, but even if it were to happen, the geopolitical reality on the ground will still force Russia and Japan together in their own northern version of a Silk Road. And as far as Russia goes, even Germany is reconsidering its economic ties with China right now, and German businesses have for years been advocating a relaxation of Washington's sanctions on Russia. From the German and European point of view, it would be much better to do significant trade with Asia along both Chinese, and Russian, overland routes, than be completely dependent on China.

THe only other thing that might prevent it is a sudden Chinese offer of high speed rail tech, with the added provision that Russia can "copy and paste" and make it in Russian factories, with extremely low licensing fees, or in return for a "technology swap": we'll give you the high speed rail tech, you give us your missile defense tech." But Beijing is in such a mess that something tells me Moscow might think twice about hitching its wagon permanently to China so long as Japan is a surer, and much more stable, bet.

Then there's India, the other major player in the Asian branch of this version of the quadruple entente. India, besides being the third major nuclear power in the region besides China and Pakistan, is also the other major Asian power besides China to maintain friendly relations with Russia, a policy that hearkens all the way back to the premiership of Indira Ghandi during her long tenure in office. India, like Japan, is perfectly positioned by this long relationship to be the other major "go-between" between Canberra and Swampington DC, and Moscow. In fact, the reader might recall that in the midst of the chill in relationships between Moscow and Beijing, that Mr. Mohdi's government extended over a billion dollar line of credit to Moscow. And as I first mentioned this in a blog a few days ago, I wondered then, and wonder now, just how much of this money is actually coming from New Delhi. I wonder how much actually came initially from Swampington and how much India turned around and shunted to Moscow, perhaps even with a nod and a wink from Swampington.  In other words, India could be perfectly positioned, in a way Japan is not nor can afford to be, to be a back-channel source of credit to Moscow, all the while Swampington pretends to keep the sanctions regime in place...

Or to put it country simple once again: BRICS is over, and there's a massive geopolitical realignment going on in Asia, and as much as the USA is behind a large part of it, it's not behind all of it. India, and Japan, are driving a great deal of it.

See you on the flip side...


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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Pierre on September 12, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    on beeet shoot. doooot commmmmmm

    • Pierre on September 12, 2020 at 11:16 pm

      well that worked …. IGNSOC* is acceptable

      *orwells dumbed down language with about 2 acceptable words left. link for for daveeed eyeke at tra-falg-ga squeer

  2. Pierre on September 12, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    ta, I’d missed one, I think he is turning into a Catholic.

    disturbing. melbourne fascists, not I mean the poliza stealing candy and their parents from babies.
    glad I was not there, there would be blood. especially this one. https://youtu(dot)be/xPZ6053D1ao
    then again THE LAW says wear a mask and they want your address to fine you.then again a lot of people not wearing them there, so perhaps not. you are not doing anything wrong, how plead ye?) Victor Altomere , Australian, was on rense this week. Face coverings were slave/mind control to diminish human cattle in Muslim traditions. funny how the aliens in the russian scifi movie, The Blackout (2019) had no mouths at all.
    COVID1(A)9(I) = COVAI

    • MFB on September 15, 2020 at 7:43 am

      Just a bunch of disobedient idiots who want to rebel. I cross into Victoria every day…..total beat up. Melbourne are loons who are used to being selfish and entitled.

  3. Pierre on September 12, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    test post , some innocous link or word not getting through, even after changing icke to eyke (see his trafalga square speech on butchite, lewtube took it down real quick)

  4. MFB on September 12, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    It is interesting reading the Russophile and Northern hemisphereophile (spelling?) views on the Quad.

    Most of them are not accurate because they do not understood the actual economic/political/military dynamics in this part of the world, and they still see the old NH powers as the pinnacle of the world.

    Sorry Euro/US centric folks-Australia is most definitely the quarter of the Quad.

    1. Australia controls the global Iron Ore supply that feeds the Chinese machine
    2. Australia control the intel/nuclear missile guidance/submarine facilities that give the USN ‘eyes and ear’ in this region
    3. Australia is the dominant economic/aid/trade in Oceania/South Pacific
    4. Australia is developing its rare earth metals industry as our deposits rival China-and they control well over 95% (can’ have high tech without them)
    5. We have TWICE the Uranium reserves of the next nation (Kazakhstan)
    6. Australia is the number 2 in the ‘5 Eyes’ partnership by virtue of out collection and processing ability (sorry UK you haven’t been in this chair for near 30 years)
    7. Australia already has hypersonic missiles-have been quietly testing them for a while now while the world carries on about Russia and China.
    8. Australian coal is a far higher grade than Russian or Brazilian material-and easier to export than either Russia or Brazil.

    Russia may work behind the scenes in some ways to keep an eye on China-however its actions in our part of the world have made it a constant negative threat….can’t see them being included in any way other than background.

    • MFB on September 12, 2020 at 8:52 pm

      And we administer the claim over 42% of Antarctica

  5. Foglamp on September 12, 2020 at 6:11 am

    • Roger on September 12, 2020 at 9:47 am

      Australia is a lost cause. They are adopting Chinese style governance. They are the weak link. The US should liberate Australia and New Zealand from the Chinese dominated NWO before those countries fall to China completely. The UK is also suspect nowadays. But the left in the US is also allied with China as well. If the Chinese controlled Democrats take control of the elections it’s game over for us all. All the Rothschild dominated English speaking countries seem to be quietly aligning with China with the Rothschild’s while acting like they are still part of the west.

      • MFB on September 12, 2020 at 8:00 pm

        Respectfully Roger-that’s rubbish!

        1. Australia led the charge for an inquiry into China’s mishandling of the virus…the EU and US followed us.

        2. Australia has expelled China scholars & journalists and aggressively exposed/removed Chinese influences

        3. The PM Morrison is about to rip up any
        contract/agreement between Universities/States/companies & foreign countries that are not in Australia’s interests by LAW

        4. Australia’s defence spending will see a massive $270 billion (yes we HAVE hypersonic missiles that we have been developing quietly with the US). Watch Australia become the most important space launch/tracking pad outside of NASA (actually we have some satellite tracking activities that NASA asks us to us).

        5. We have spent $1 billion upgrading RAAF Tindal in the Northern Territory to support US heavy bombers and long range RAAF anti-shipping strikes…against only one country.

        6. Australia has aggressively increased spending/aid/military assistance to Oceania/South Pacific in a direct blow to China

        7. Aus Intel are actively nailing Chinese influences-and aggressively!

        8. We control the global Iron Ore that powers China’s heavy manufacturing-we switch it off and they grind to halt. They can put tariffs on beef and wine all they like-we control the rocks they need.

        9. Australia is the most powerful economic/political/military presence in Oceania/South Pacific by a long way

        10. We have the facilities that guide/control US nuclear forces in Pacific/Indian oceans as well as signal intel collection

        Australia is the number 2 in the ‘5 Eyes’ regarding actual intel operations, technology etc (Sorry UK and northern hemispherephiles…you haven’t been the deputy in this area for about 30 years).

        The weak link = American domestic politics and corporate interests.

        • Roger on September 12, 2020 at 8:34 pm

          Glad to hear that. But something is going on with the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and now Australian governments. It seems you are all adopting total crack down and tyranny over any dissent against the PC police. At least that seems to be the meme we are being exposed to on line right now.

          • Catou on September 13, 2020 at 6:31 am

            I think we need to wait a bit before deciding how totalitarian our governments are.
            Down here in Melbourne, where we’ve been confined to our homes for months, the general public is on board with these restrictions, believing that these measures are bringing that awful ‘virus’ under control. The test result figures, brought to us in a 90 minute daily press conference by the Premier and several officials, indicate that we’re on the right track.
            We assume the government is acting in good faith, reporting on a real public health issue. We’re not getting ludicrous numbers of positive test results or deaths here.
            The government has given us their ideas of where the positive test result levels need to be before current restrictions are eased. We are confident of getting there within the next 2 weeks. Regional Victoria looks set to be let out early – possibly even this week. It will take months before life returns to some version of normal. I’m waiting to see how voluntary the vaccines are, whether the ones manufactured here will contain cells from aborted babies, etc.
            Wherever it came from, and whatever is behind it, there is a real illness. I know someone who lost her husband to this and suffers prolonged symptoms herself, months after she contracted it.
            We are tired of the restrictions and anxious to get back to whatever kind of life we can salvage from the wreckage. Nobody wants a 3rd wave.
            The press is finally doing their job, asking decent questions about the decision making processes, quoting from businesses or sectors that weren’t consulted, suggesting that some elements are too hard for us. In response to some of that, for example, they have finally taken pity on those of us who live alone and now we’re allowed to actually visit one other person. They have taken advice about animal welfare and allowed grooming services to return.
            This situation is an opportunity for a bit of community development (although getting past the general apathy is a tall order). Inspired by CAF’s work, I have been reaching out to neighbours, setting up ‘bubbles’ where single people who don’t have family here can meet, lobbying building managers to get noticeboards / fb groups / street libraries / stairwell book clubs going (I already jumped the gun on most of the above). (It’s shocking to me that nobody thought of this earlier).
            We’re doing what we can to support local small businesses. We can’t sit at a cafe but take away trade is solid.
            My next trick will be encouraging my entire building to get involved in hydroponic farming. It might be a bridge too far.

            As for how awful our governments really are, I reckon we’ll have a better idea in 2 weeks’ time, when we’ll see how much of life is returned to us, and probably by the end of this year we ought to be somewhere that looks a lot better than this.

            This is a really great time to be a recluse. Recluses and introverts adapt to this kind of thing without much trouble; it’s our normal lifestyle.

          • MFB on September 14, 2020 at 6:22 am

            In reality Roger Australians are pushing back hard against the PC crap.

        • FiatLux on September 13, 2020 at 1:38 am

          Great to hear the view from inside Australia! Admittedly, we Northern Hemisphere dwellers often have little awareness of the actual goings-on in the Southern Hemisphere. Your description of Victoria (further on in the comments) could apply equally to some cities and states in the U.S.

          I’d like to politely back up Roger’s point about the UK and some of the Commonwealth countries appearing to veer toward full-on tyranny. When I hear the UK health minister, Bojo, and that sanctimonious-sounding Sturgeon in Scotland continually dictate (pontificate on) their arbitrary, outrageous Covid policies, without so much as lip service paid to citizens’ rights–or human rights, which they’d be happy enough to beat you over the head with if it suited them–it’s pretty disconcerting. The Canadian health minister (Ms. Make Love with a Mask On) isn’t much better. And watching Victoria is utterly terrifying, at least from the outside.

          I don’t doubt Australia is an economic and military force in the region. On the other hand, for the moment, the monetary and financial power (the ultimate power in most ways) still resides in the City of London and NYC.

          • MFB on September 14, 2020 at 6:25 am

            “And watching Victoria is utterly terrifying, at least from the outside.”

            Nah it’s a beat up. The Premier is an idiot (think California) and many Victorians are simply disobedient and self centred.

            The people being arrested are nut jobs who are unbelievably selfish and ‘entitled’.

          • zendogbreath on September 14, 2020 at 10:43 pm

            Please see links below.

      • Foglamp on September 14, 2020 at 1:04 am

        I think part of the problem is that, to the enemy, national boundaries are in effect invisible, immaterial, irrelevant. Globalists are global and they think globally. It seems to me that in every country there is a globalist faction and a nationalist faction. If we want to understand what is happening currently, we need to analyze and assess events in terms of these factions rather than in terms of nation states, otherwise confusion and cog diss will reign.

  6. Arpit Kanodia on September 10, 2020 at 4:24 am

    Dr. Farrell, do you think India, (or somewhat Russia), sign the foundational agreements for creating a similar organization like NATO?

    Today’s Joint Ops is not just about joining the two militaries and let’s fight together. It’s about communication, data links, data fusion, common Command & Control systems, standardized protocols.

    Do you think India accept such an agreement? I don’t think so. That also forces India to only purchase a weapon from the west, and de facto denuclearization of India, no proud Indian leader accept such offer.

    • Roger on September 10, 2020 at 6:53 pm

      I suspect India could be mutually destroyed by pitting them against either China or Pakistan. But I suspect you were built up to eventually fall like dominoes in your region of the world. Russia refused to pull the trigger on the US so China seems to be set up to do that. If that happens they may need India to take out China. Then Pakistan to take out India. Then some other country to finish off what’s left of Pakistan if anything. They may want Islam to wipe out Europe. May use bio-weapons on Africa and South and Central America. May use Russia to take out Islam after Europe is destroyed. Just my Suspicion.

      • Foglamp on September 10, 2020 at 10:22 pm

        We should re-name you “Jolly Roger”! ?

      • Arpit Kanodia on September 11, 2020 at 1:00 am

        I dont think US forcing anyone to take out china. Get out of this US centric worldview. China taking out China by themselves.

        • Roger on September 12, 2020 at 10:01 am

          The US is not the center of today’s events. The center of the west is the Holy Land and it’s prophecies. And the wealthiest most influential people on Earth are not Americans; and it is they who are plotting the whole world’s destruction so they can rise to the top. If India fails to see the Big Picture it will be set up to fall and as it falls it will help take down a few more dominoes in the region.

          • zendogbreath on September 12, 2020 at 10:49 am

            Invaluable conversation. Thank you all.

          • Arpit Kanodia on September 13, 2020 at 3:10 am

            I am seeing the big picture, but everything is not about that. And Americans are Europeans, I get it.

            But you totally misjudge without understanding the intricacies of a relationship, west doesn’t force China to attack India in 1962 or caused a skirmish in 1987. Or the US doesn’t force China to do land grab or salami slicing in Ladakh.

            Yeah, west is very happy to see 2 big powers finish itself, but they are not forcing anything.

            And seriously stop demonizing everyone, everyone playing their game.

          • Arpit Kanodia on September 13, 2020 at 3:19 am

            And one thing history teaches us, no power able to control the world for eternity, geopolitics is a fluid thing and it always changes. How much is your so-called group controlling the world events for? 300 years? 500 years? That’s it? India & China were controlling the world events for more than 10000 years, yeah there was a downfall of all eastern civilizations, because of many reasons. Might be Foundation by Isaac Asimov did a great job in detailing civilizations’ downfall.

            So relax, don’t be hyperventilating, the world always changes. New civilizations will always arrive on the world stage.

          • Arpit Kanodia on September 13, 2020 at 3:27 am

            Just to put a picture into perspective, when Ashoka took over the reign and become Emperor, Maurya Empire had 3 million permanent and trained soldiers.

            By comparison, Romans at the peak had just 250K.

            So there are a lot of things which are untold because humanities studies are controlled by the west, and somewhat primary research and humanities are literally pathetic in the eastern part of the globe. But I am sure, it will improve with time.

  7. Foglamp on September 10, 2020 at 3:02 am

    Assuming that Abe’s ulcerative colitis is not the real reason for his resignation from the Japanese government, perhaps after a decent interval he will step up to a supranational role leading some sort of Quad institution, similar to NATO?

  8. zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 2:12 am

    Johnny Gatt points out Hegelian dialectic spmotu
    Be warned – nasty not so mostly peaceful protests.
    https://www.bit chute.com/video/cYWAhctEBd6r/?list=notifications&randomize=false
    Vigilante Intelligence

  9. zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 12:11 am

    Doc, how much does India’s currency transitions figure into this. Aren’t they leading the entire planet on the move to digital currency?
    First this:
    Then this?:

  10. zendogbreath on September 9, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    Every time it starts to look like a hot war with gobs of CCP cultural attacks in Western countries, along comes Brendon O’Connell with another video that pulls the curtain on Rottenchildren as they work the puppet strings on public figures.
    https://www.bit chute.com/video/VFCAq9s1qP35/?list=notifications&randomize=false

  11. marcos toledo on September 9, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    Shades of the Yellow Peril Fu Manchu with Japan as the useful idiot along with the CSA and The Raj under the mask of India. What could ever go wrong think 1914.

  12. OrigensChild on September 9, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    What happens when the SPMOTU (Self-Proclaimed Masters of the Universe) attempts to take a client state and fashion it into a Gordian knot in their own image? In China they get a Gordian knot with a mind of its own–and it takes a multipolar response to contain it. By now these globalists should have learned they are not nearly as smart as they think they are, nor everyone as greedy as they want them to be. These monoliths of vice and chicanery try to manage the human race as sheep, but fail to realize the human race behaves more like elephants. Elephants are wonderful creatures when treated kindly with respect. They can be gentle, kind and helpful. But, elephants can also be fearsome beasts when they are mistreated and abused. Elephants remember–and settle scores. The Gordian knot that is China is going to be a serious problem. Now that the SPMOTU has lost control of their own knot, they will need the combined efforts of everyone to resolve the problem. The other elephants in the room need to remember who stirred up this trouble, and deal with the SPMOTU at the same time. Otherwise, we elephants have failed to learn from where the real threat emerges.

    • Joseph P. Farrell on September 9, 2020 at 8:28 pm

      Well and aptly said!

    • FiatLux on September 10, 2020 at 9:08 pm

      History repeating itself? Like 1938 all over again?

      • FiatLux on September 10, 2020 at 9:11 pm

        Robert Barricklow beat me to this conclusion 🙂

  13. goshawks on September 9, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    Rand senior defence analyst Derek Grossman noted…”
    Well, there’s an independent source! In my opinion, Rand is firmly in the pocket of the military/industrial/intelligence area. So, any ‘pronouncements’ should be viewed as straight from the warhawks/chickenhawks/dual-citizen stance. And we know how they’ve been ‘beating the drums’ against China since the Trump inauguration…

    I wonder if the Rothschilds made an ‘offer you can’t refuse’ to China, and China refused…

    • OrigensChild on September 9, 2020 at 6:20 pm

      Perhaps… But this is a Gordian knot they purposely built. They forgot this knot has two sides. Now it’s going to bite them in their posterior region. It will be a deep, nasty bite. I’ve voiced my own concerns about these persons just after you posted yours. Perhaps we’re again arriving at similar conclusions but analyzing the problem from different directions.

      • goshawks on September 9, 2020 at 11:10 pm

        OC, yes, I enjoy our wildly-different brainpaths but mutual overlaps. Refreshing! As Churchill said, “Two nations divided by a common language.”

        The ‘problem’ for the SPMOTU (love it!) is that China is an old culture. It has ancient roots, even with the current Marxist overlay. They are another culture which plans in centuries. Rock, meet hard place…

        • OrigensChild on September 10, 2020 at 10:29 am

          You and are are probably now on the same page. China’s age may rival that of Sumer–even older. SPMOTU thought they had control of this. They don’t! A mad elephant with nothing to lose is a very dangerous and patient sentient creature. China is not the only mad elephant SPMOTU should fear. Russia, Japan and India have also suffered much and have their own scores to settle.

    • Robert Barricklow on September 9, 2020 at 7:40 pm

      Just as I posted yesterday …
      WWII set up w/Germany against Russia.
      This time Xi rhymes w/Hitler
      who didn’t follow the NWO script as well.
      India vs China?
      Of course, that could expand,
      into a World War as well.

      Now that’s insanity.
      Nobody wins, except off world;
      and/or underground?

      Hope for the best,
      but plan for reality to screw it up.

      • goshawks on September 9, 2020 at 10:59 pm

        “India vs China?”

        You know, that could well be the PTB plan. Two birds, one stone. A mutual nuclear exchange would be limited: India would want to retain enough nukes to counter Pakistan. China would want to retain enough nukes to counter, well, everyone. That ‘reality’ would lead to 6-12 nukes per side being launched. Enough to cripple each nation, but not enough to produce global effects.

        So, I would look for False Flags to get the process going. Possibly a nuke going-off in one country, followed shortly-after by a nuke going-off in the other country. Off to the races…

      • OrigensChild on September 10, 2020 at 10:32 am

        RB and goshawks, I refer you to earlier remarks. This template may well be “the plan”. If my suspicions are correct and these are elephants, I don’t think the conclusion is forgone. Refer to my logic above.

        • Robert Barricklow on September 10, 2020 at 11:46 am

          SPMOTU[loved it!).
          Your spot on!

          Sacred controls are suddenly slipping from their puppeteering tentacles.
          Madness/Hysteria spreading like fires across vertical/horizontal hierarchies.

          Freedom is a transgression against power, a physical, mental, social, or political space we claim; it is the spirit in us to resist. The human spirit.

          Resistance is not futile;
          it is everywhere, and in everyone.

          Unfortunately, all power tends to develop into a government in itself.

          Now, if I could just govern my thoughts …

    • zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 12:53 am

      The likelihood of this hot war sounds like so much pretext to close out a generation of slave labor who manufactured most of the planet’s current hardware before paying those slaves any wage at all. This is a country who’s factories featured nets on roof edges to prevent group suicides.

      The talk of off worlders running this op feels like code for Rottenchildren and their Rockhead/Gates/Soros/Kissinger minions. Rot’s still own CCP, right? As well as Putin? And all centrally banked countries?

      OC. Seconded or Thirded on SPMOTU and elephants. Been working on apt analogies. That’s the best I’ve seen so far.

      Until last night I had thought about sending a younger relative to Sweden. I saw what race war without cv1984 lockdown looks like last night through a ZH link. Sweden is at war already. It’s open. They have police enlisting civilians for help while their CCP like govt is claiming it’s all just a few white nationalists who need to adjust to multiculturalism better.

      That rhetoric is as past its due date as “defund the police” stuff from BLM is in US. Rochester police chief and staff resigned this morning. Even Al Sharpton is out against it now. SJW trends keep getting weirder.

      A school required parents sign pledge to not watch their kids online classes? Kids required to observe school dress codes for online learning? No pj’s? Kids required to be updated on vaccines for online learning? States enacting in home checkups for kids learning online?

      And then I see this tonight:
      Student suspended for waiving toy gun during virtual class

      Odd that the school requires students to keep their webcams on, that the school records everything and that parents did not have clues they signed off on these intrusions in their homes. Odder still that the parents pulled the kid from that school and are shopping for a new school for him.

      It occurs to me that all these technocratic communitarian memes demoralize a few folk right before they collapse on themselves and make people like Biden and Hammala Karris look insanely implausible. Remember taxpayer funded drag queen reading hours at public libraries? Or Amazing Desmond drag boy on ABC morning show?

      Along the lines of Gordian knots, this demoralization of Amurica that Yuri Besmenov outlined is another one. We all have to varying degrees been subjected to reality TV programming. A few of us, perhaps more, might have been wise enough to take a pass on dumbing down and learn a lesson on what our weaponized culture tells us about the SPMOTU.

      • zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 12:58 am

        I also just realized – in the past parents who were contrary to their kids’ teachers and administrators were previously limited to choices. They could home school (not so easy) or they could send the kid to private school (not so cheap). Given the wonderful strengths of distance learning, what’s to keep parents from shopping online learning from other schools? From all the other schools in the US? Heck the planet? And why shouldn’t they all be the same price? What is the difference in their overhead?

        Is this another communitarian meme that self limits itself with it’s inherent suicidally stupid basis?

      • zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 1:02 am

        And then I see this. Anyone know what country? Anyone have a clue at what point the world’s population flat out berzerkers on these Rot’s monsters pretending to protect us?

      • goshawks on September 10, 2020 at 1:31 am

        ZDB, I also wonder how deep and long the ‘globalization’ goes. Maddening. Currently, I am trying to reconcile the Anunnaki & Watchers deep-history with the later Miles Mathis “Phoenician Navy” research – to try to come up with a mash-up that makes sense of history. The latest that I’ve found:
        http://mileswmathis.com/shining.pdf (p.4)
        “Perhaps he [Guzman] really understood what was going on, or maybe it was just Northern Phoenicians versus Southern. … This splitting of the Habsburgs and Bourbons turned out to be a fatal mistake of the Southern Phoenicians, including the Medicis, allowing the Northern line (Stanley/Stuart/Jagiellon/Vasa/Cohen/Komnene) to come out on top over the next several centuries. The world is now run by the Northern line, while the Southern has faded.”

        There is a lot in the Shadows that we just do not know…

    • Roger on September 10, 2020 at 12:53 pm

      They built China, India, Pakistan and everyone else up so they could play us all off against each other. The trick is to find the right balance and timing to have us all one day mutually destroy each other in a game of nation Dominos. Then they hope to become the next world power I speculate. Problem is those being set up know they are being set up and throw monkey wrenches in their machinations while pretending innocence. Evidently their assassins and secret societies are so huge and powerful in all these nations they fear to openly oppose the attempted set up. Just my speculation.

  14. Robert Barricklow on September 9, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    So yesterday[BRICKS].
    Like Clinton’s, “Nation States, so quaint.”.
    An Arc of Monopolies/Oligopolies. Oops! An Arc of democracies.
    China sees paste the illusions of peace and in the the heart of darkness:
    Full Spectrum Dominance.
    In fact, could Abe be called upon to have an active role in this new Quad.
    [he’s no doubt playing a role behind the scenes]
    Is the NWO regime change in China all part of this quad/covid1984 op?
    Are all politicized roads/infrastructures being constructed/masked
    under covide1984 imprimaturs?

    • zendogbreath on September 10, 2020 at 12:13 am

      It does seem like the CCP political machine is strong and running Australia and NZ, doesn’t it? Oh yeh and the BLM. Related folks?

  15. anakephalaiosis on September 9, 2020 at 7:54 am

    In my Quadraphonic hi-fi entente, I have a Chinese subwoofer to beat the war drums.

    All my Rockville speakers are Americana, but mass produced by Chinese industry.

    Audiophile signal is produced by Raspberry Pi running Volumio Linux software.

    My latest Sabre DAC, has Burr-Brown tube effect, made in China. Sounds great!

    • anakephalaiosis on September 9, 2020 at 8:42 am

      My Samurai speaker spikes are two meters iron rods of steel, driven into an unbarked tree log.

      My speaker cabinets of pinewood, have drilled holes, allowing them to move up and down the iron rod.

      It is a vibrant philosophy of steel in wood.

      That is Samurai.

      • jpswanberg on September 10, 2020 at 12:28 am

        I will stay with my Mcintosh SACD Player and Integrated Amp (built in New York), Magnepans (built in Minnesota) and JL Audio sub (built in Florida). Owning the culture, I am listening to Sibelius on the BIS label.

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