NASA’S CONTRACT FOR LUNAR 4G… AND A QUESTION

NASA’S CONTRACT FOR LUNAR 4G… AND A QUESTION

So many people sent me this one that I had to blog about it, and interestingly enough, most of those who sent it were asking the same question I'm asking. The long and short of it is that NASA has just recently awarded a contract to Nokia to build a 4G network on the Moon:

NASA grants $14M contract to build lunar 4G network

NASA is launching a 4G phone network on the moon Nokia's lunar LTE network will allow astronauts to make calls, stream data and remote control robots

Nokia wins NASA contract to put a 4G network on the moon. Yes, really.

Let's concentrate on the last two articles, for they give a strong reason as to why NASA wants a 4G network on the Moon. From the second article, there's this:

Finnish phone company Nokia has announced it's working with the US space administration to build a 4G LTE network for moonwalkers by late 2022. As well as voice communication and data transmission, the mobile network could power navigation, stream biometric data so controllers can keep an eye on each astronaut's health and fitness, and direct remote-control robots and sensors on the lunar surface.

And from the last article, there's this:

Nokia's research arm, Bell Labs, provided more details in a Twitter thread. The company intends for the network to support wireless operation of lunar rovers and navigation, as well as streaming video.

In other words, the network is necessary for data streaming, and more importantly, controlling robots.

I strongly suspect it's that "robot" angle that's the most important, especially since NASA's plans are to establish a permanent base on the Moon, and to construct that base one will have to have robots; robots to dig, robots to construct and fit things together, and presumably, robots to maintain aspects of the base, and that will require a communications network. NASA's plans here are not unusual, for the Russian space agency ROSCOSMOS has also suggested that robots would be needed to build and maintain such a base, again, implying a strong communications capability.

One might even envision that NASA's thinking is here much in line with ROSCOSMOS in another respect, in that ROSCOSMOS proposed the idea of building such a base with robots prior to human occupation. In other words, a communications network would have to be established to the Earth, allowing for control of the robots doing the building, and it would have to handle multiple streams of data.

In other words, the network would have to be a first priority and not a later one.

But it raises a few questions too, not the least of which is...  why 4G, and not 5G? After all, we're told that 5G can handle so much more data, is a lot faster, and so on.

Well, I have a few high octane speculations about that, but they all come down to "airlessness", "microwaves", and "radiation hazards", which raises certain nasty questions about the latter's implementation "down here."

See you on the flip side...

31 thoughts on “NASA’S CONTRACT FOR LUNAR 4G… AND A QUESTION”

  1. I am not so sure that planting a flag on terra, or luna nullius, and not going back in person for 50 years or doing anything meaningful with it will count in law… there is such a thing as ‘the captain has abandoned the ship’ and also adverse possession for anyone who does stay there for a couple of years. I am sure though that the United Internationalist Anti-Nationalists have worked something out for themselves.
    In any case, I see the ‘great leap for mankind’ flag as a variant of the East India Company, in other words, business as usual.
    (Australian Governors , when the fledgling colony was almost starving, had to take heed of the EIC’s monopoly of SE Asian trade when seeking food for the great unwashed (once they had dried out after the voyage to get here))
    (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress – heinleins book I read as a kid …alternative title Rocks Away, then again the Lunar Revolutionary Front did not have Intel/Israeli chips inside all their machinery.)

    1. Watched this when he first posted it. Inspired some of my posts on this subject recently. But I see a lot more possibilities than he mentioned as well. Realizing some of the true scope and implications of infinity from observation of it from different dimensions, potential planes of view, scales of view, the center of it all and from outside of it all made me suspect every potential can be true eventually and already true some place.

  2. 4G, 5G, this G and that G. 4G might be a little slower for the impatient downloader but there is that reliability in [streaming] to consider.

    Ever notice those live steam captures with their hops, skips, fades, and incrementally lost signals? The science might be interesting but reliable streaming flow needs work all around. Even over there for that Party take over boast.

    Putting 4G on the Moon has several take a-ways. An incentive to get there and mine and expand on any developing techniques for other celestial bodies, find out how to better harden wireless signals for reliable transfers, and discovery of those applications not yet known, among them. There’s a lot of electromagnetic spectrum to also consider not just that which is FCC controlled.

    Then there’s the sensorial adaptations of the corporeal which need a lot of work for off world habitation. If only it were so easy terrestrially. Unknown stuff tends to sneak up with quite a surprise leaving the social and psychiatric unpacking of those discoveries to unravel. If one were to take the kitchen sink (and all that that expression implies) along as one makes travel plans for off world environments there’s a lot of work there, too, to reduce bad habits, excess stowage, and least amount of resource wastage the “throw-a-way” generations got into the habit of accepting.

    Data seems easy enough until one considers all that extra baggage to get at that level of development. There’s a limit to acceptable (if any) land fill accommodations out there no matter what “G” is chosen.

  3. About this article , why not 5g. I think we need to consider it from the PoV of cost-benefit.

    5G tech is highly costly and has a very short range. And only reason for 5G is to establish civilian communication, not a military one.

    From MilSpec PoV, 5G is decades behind what the US hold in terms of comms and encryption.

    1. Also we need to see these Nokia establishing 5G on Moon from marketing PoV, not from actually they going to establish.

      The first colony over the moon, whenever that happens is going to be a military one, and they going to have their own MilSpec standard-secured comm channels.

      It is not going to be 5G, it may happen afterwards when we fully establish a military base.

  4. George Lucas on Star Wars:

    “It’s a film for 12-year-olds. ‘This is what we stand for.’

    You’re about to enter the real world. You’re moving away from your parents. You’re probably scared; you don’t know what’s going to happen.

    Here’s what you should pay attention to: Friendships, honesty, trust, doing the right thing. Living on the light side, avoiding the dark side.”

  5. I just wonder how NASA is going to get to the Moon using late fifties-sixties chemical spaceships technology to go into orbit. As for 5G it sounds like the telecommunication equivalent of DC current to transmit power around the country.

  6. More and more 5G seems practical ONLY as a weapon and not at all as a communications tech.

    Along the lines in previous conversations about controlled opposition, I ran across this moments ago.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/who-anti-conspiracy-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=8e37790c-2a57-480f-9d27-721c5ad35e61

    This clarifies the direction and level of effort the globalists are pushing.

    FWIW, accuracy is always a welcome respite to bad news.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpn3JxXqnp4
    Scott Atlas: I’m disgusted and dismayed

    Have a good weekend everyone and please sleep more and better. We need to individually and collectively dream up and resolve these little problems. Thank you.

    1. Seems the WHO is bringing in some big guns to fight “conspiracy theories.” They just can’t handle plurality of opinion. My memory is fuzzy, but didn’t Sunstein suggest legal sanctions for “conspiracy theories” in the past?

      ZDB – Have you checked out the forum on this site? Some of the issues you bring up are commented on in the forum.

      1. Time n money Fiat. I’m an unwashed member of tge masses. Lucky to catch downtime between gigs to keep up the bit I can here. Keep them forums rockin for me.

      2. Er wait, Fiat, that was a nice way of telling the king of ADD that all these stories are not that related and I’ve strayed too far off topic, wasn’t it?

        1. ZDB – No, I wasn’t trying to criticize. I literally meant that, in the forum, I’ve seen postings and comments (including by me) on some of the issues you bring up.

          1. FiatLux, ZDB, or anyone: Are you talking about the GDS forum started by Guygrr a few years back? Does that still exist? I was invited by Guygrr at the beginning, but only posted a few comments and then life got busy. And, Guygrr got into personal problems and was looking for a new moderator.

            Lately, I tried to get to that original GDS forum, but could only reach an “Activity” page of recent comments. I would appreciate knowing whether it still exists and how to reach the “home Board”. Thanks!

          2. I was referring to the one you access by going to “Community” (at the top of the page on the gizadeathstar website) and selecting “Forum.”

          3. Thanks, FiatLux. I had already gotten to that page. There used to (a few years back) be a forum page with Major Sections, then Sub Sections, then Individual Topics, then Posts. Just trying to find if that still exists…

  7. WE need more of your money to go to the moon .. Who ever has the tech becomes the tyrant in a Baal Gates / Bell labs / NASA / Oc-cult spear of Longinus kind of way. Sounds like the history of the ‘telecom’ industry, town cryer to telegraph to telephone to satellite systems. Privy Counsel to high frequency trading acquiring ill gotten gains – Moonacy is a cruel mistress .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGdJOZTSfYw

  8. Why is the so-called future, 5G; not good enough for the horse and buggy moon technologies? Does Earth want to sole command of superior technologies?[says I/w dripping sarcasm].
    True the robots could work w5G or 4G; but the humans? Would 5G be more dangerous than the other radiations that bombard the moon?
    As far as robots; there is a coupling of an Ai required in that Moon/Earth scenario. In fact, an extremely strong and sophisticated AI to continuously monitor a Moon base/Earth communication and robotic control system. And don’t forget the pervasive military integration w/in that system to communicate seamlessly throughout the entirety of its inherent complexity.

    [back to reading your blog]
    Oops
    Running late …

    Whit Rabbit.

    1. Back in the saddle again …

      Will this communication/commercial/military integrated “system” be extended into the solar system?
      Than, it’s security is of utmost importance.
      Has 5G already been compromised?
      Is the advertised coming 4G system; in reality, another secret system that’s not known as yet?
      Is it a “battlefield” system at it’s core?
      Will US corporations have access and therefore privateers status w/in the solar system?
      What manufacturing capabilities will the moon base have?
      Will this manufacturing system be integrated w/the asteroid belts?

      Will there be any inherent way to now scale humanity right now; into this growing dominate AI robotic “solar-wide system”?

      Is that’s what really matters?

  9. Of course we will need Space Force combat robots to defend our Lunar base and wage war on other countries who try to invade the USA’s moon! Once our flag was planted, that baby was ours! Maybe that’s why the globalists are so determined to destroy the US. Because then the Moon would become up for grabs. Mean while alien AI deep in the moon rubs it’s maintenance tentacles in anticipation. Once all the self sustaining robotic mining, exploration, and robotic construction and warfare capable reproduction plants get built on the Moon it will be nothing for it to hack the 4G network of the Moon and take the whole thing over. Then mass construction can begin for taking over the Earth! Just kidding. I don’t think the Moon is artificial or alien at all. But who knows I could be wrong.

  10. The big difference between 4G and 5G (outside of potential lethality) is in their ability to penetrate soil, structures, etc., due to frequency differences. 4G is really good at that; that is why 4G towers are way spread out. 5G is very poor at that; that is why 5G towers are needed every few blocks to have the required signal strength to penetrate.

    If you are going to be operating robots in tunnels or inside moondust-covered structures, 4G is much better than 5G. That also applies to robot explorers that drop behind hills or crater rims. And 5G might even be blocked by a companion’s spacesuit…

    1. [Hit “Report comment” by mistake when going for “Reply” button – please ignore that!]
      Since 5G is so easily blocked, I’ve been wondering how TPTB are planning to track us all with it. Is the idea to have every house and apartment with an 5G antenna outside the window, a powerful 5G router in the home, and a chip or equivalent in/on us?

        1. Agreed and then some. Probably about as expendable as robots. Probably infinitely more likely to experience attempts to be replaced by robots. Personal experience with employers determined to replace me: they were more than willing to keep throwing other personnel at the effort to replace me. In the end such replacement is always successful, even when it takes multiple tries in succession or all at once. Consider the effort currently being expended to replace us with AI/robots. And how much more effort can and probably will be brought to bear.

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