RUSSIA WALKING AWAY FROM THE EU
I don't think anyone questions that there are major realignments under way in the globe, from the emergence of "The Quad" or what I've been calling the "Quadruple Entente", to BREXIT, the increased tensions between the USA and China, and now, between Russia and the E.U., and for the latter, one may conveniently substitute "Germany" for the E.U., that is, at least according to this article by Tom Luongo shared by V.T.(a big thank you for doing so):
As Mr. Luongo perceptively notes in the article, there appears to have been a sea change in Russia's rhetoric vis-a-vis the European Union:
Russia is done with the European Union. At last week’s Valdai Discussion Forum Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made this quite clear with this statement.
Those people in the West who are responsible for foreign policy and do not understand the necessity of mutually respectable conversation–well, we must simply stop for a while communicate with them. Especially since Ursula von der Leyen states that geopolitical partnership with current Russia’s leadership is impossible. If this is the way they want it, so be it. (H/T Andrei Martyanov)
Lavrov’s statements echo a number of statements made in recent months by Russian leadership that there is no opportunity for diplomacy possible with the United States.
We can now add the European Union to that list. Pepe Escobar’s latest piece goes over Lavrov’s comments about the European Union and they are devastating, as devastating as when he and Putin described the U.S. as “Not Agreement Capable” a few years ago.
It's no surprise that the Russians would regard the USA as "not agreement capable," since the political divisions in the USA are as sharp and intense as today as they were prior to the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860. From the Russian point of view, regardless of who wins in the upcoming election, how does one negotiate with one side that has proven it will sell its own national interest down the river for familial benefit, thus demonstrating it can turn on a dime and thus cannot be trusted not to sell any agreement it makes to the highest bidder, or with another side that is weakened by the perpetual animosity of the first? Turning the clock back a bit, that "first side," Mr. Globaloney's side, gave the Russians solemn assurances that there would be no NATO expansion into the former Soviet Republics, no stationing of American or other NATO forces in Eastern European countries of the former Warsaw Pact, and then promptly turned around and did precisely that with engineered coups in The Ukraine, panzergrenadiers and Luftwaffe squadrons in Croatia after the crack-up of Yugoslavia, American forces in Poland and missile defense systems in Romania, and so on. All these things were begun under Poppy Bush, and continued under America's first adolescent president Bill Clinton, Bush the Stupid, and Hussein O'Bummer, with considerable help from Mad Madam Merkel and (as Marin Le Pen once styled him) her "vice-chancellor" Francois Holland, all lackeys to Mr. Globaloney's vision of the world.
But now it seems Russia's through with the E.U. as well:
But as badly as the U.S. has acted in recent years in international relations, unilaterally abrogating treaty after treaty, nominally with the goal of remaking them to be more inclusive, Lavrov’s upbraiding of the current leadership of the European Union is far worse.
Because they have gone along with, if not openly assisted, every U.S.-backed provocation against Russia for their own advantage. From Ukraine to MH-17, to Skripal to now Belarus and the ridiculous Navalny poisoning, the EU has proved to be worse than the U.S.
Because there can be no doubt the U.S. views Russia as an antagonist. We’re quite clear about this. But Europe plays off U.S. aggression, hiding in the U.S.’s skirts while telling Russia, usually through German Chancellor Angela Merkel, “Be patient, we are reluctantly going along with this.” But really they’re happy about it.
So Russia is ultimately caught between the U.S. and Europe on all basic issues of trade, politics, and international law.
Adding to Lavrov’s frustration, Andrei Martyanov, as an astute analyst on Russian politics as anyone, is correct when he says (H/T to Pepe Escobar).
You do not negotiate with monkeys, you treat them nicely, you make sure that they are not abused, but you don’t negotiate with them, same as you don’t negotiate with toddlers. They want to have their Navalny as their toy–let them. I call on Russia to start wrapping economic activity up with EU for a long time. They buy Russia’s hydrocarbons and hi-tech, fine. Other than that, any other activity should be dramatically reduced and necessity of the Iron Curtain must not be doubted anymore.
And the truth is that Russia is dealing with monkeys in the U.S. and toddlers in the EU. And Martanyov’s right that it’s time Putin et.al. simply turn their backs on the West and move forward.
And where will Russia "move forward"? Well, as I've been suggesting of late, it moves forward in Asia, and particularly with reference to India and Japan, which it needs as much as they need it as counter-balances to China. And there's another way forward for Russia: direct negotiation on a national basis with the member states of the European Union, bypassing the Brusselsprouts completely. Russia will find the ground more receptive in southern Europe, and to some extent, even in France, than in Germany and its EU client states.
Here there are other developments that may help Russia, specifically, the melt down in the Roman Catholic Church under Francis, who appears at least to this writer to be not so much Roman Catholic in any traditional or identifiable sense, and more of a Globalist-in-a-cassock. For traditionally-minded Catholics in Spain or Italy, already frustrated with failing economies and the unwillingness of the EU (i.e., Germany) to continue to bail them out without considerable strings attached (think Greece), the southern European countries would appear to be ripe for a Russian diplomatic offensive that plays to cultural and economic concerns in those countries.
Is this a prediction? Not exactly, but one should not be surprised if it happens...
See you on the flip side...
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So Angela Merkel’s majorette moves just aren’t gettin’ it done anymore ..
This was on the forum and blew me away …
[hope it takes]
It’s about the Communist Party wanting to rule the world, and in heavy w/Biden’s extended crime family.
But, it has the ring of truth.
Monkeys, children, and the others just walk’ in the dog.
Not one to put words into other’s mouths, it seems that the Sovietszky’s are just walk’ in the dog when it comes to their homeland continental issues. They have a lot of potential even having lost some control over eastern European areas once held. Their influence is still there just as it is in the US. The Russian’s aren’t coming to the US, they’re already here and have been for nearly a century or more, should one also include immigration through Ellis island. They’re pragmatic when and where they deem necessary to be and know that capitalism and the West work quite well under a Republic.
The Sovietszky’s aren’t really walking away from that Union so much as they’re redirecting their limited resources and efforts instead of pandering to a stalemate of contentions. They’re also quite familiar with that other Bear to the south of them having been instrumental in their upbringing. It’s their numbers that seem to be on their minds not to mention increasing tactical skills through theft, coercion, and a modified version of their own state of affairs.
Economic ventures might make a tempting goal forward for the Bear of the North, but those cultural matters remain a very different task with a hefty price tag when subversion from within doesn’t work as they thought it might. Sort of like within the US presently. Of all those Sovietszky type Parties within the US (about a half dozen or so) trying to usurp the Democrat Party, they’re having quite a tuff time of it even with their once allied southern Bear to their south in on the game of subversion and usurpation. Almost as if there’s some sort of language conundrum that makes for easy transfer of powers nearly impossible because the energy, resources, and human element aren’t what they’re cracked up to be.
The Sovietszky’s might have changed the colors of their flag to mock the Stars and Stripes in the west but those hold overs from another era still see blood red, hammer, and sickle crossed. There might even be some that think that there will be a dramatic change in the tundra to farmland like the steppes. Not if celestial forecasts hold. If there’s any efforts to be had in predictions, they might be better focused on the weather shifts. They’re becoming more apparent and profound but not in the direction some insist.
One must ask, “Will early Spring frosts continue to thwart blooms necessary for Summer and Fall fruit bearing?” “Will prolonged rains continue to rearrange the landscapes least expected to change or simply move elsewhere they once were long ago as some geological evidence suggests?” “What volcanic eruptions will shift global weather for several years impacting current stores of grains and such?” “Each of the powers that be and want to be, will they sustain their own ground under desperation of losing more of it to Natural causation?” Milankovitch Orbital forcing seems ever proving to be happening with significant changes that start as subtle as if to be a twitch soon ignored until it becomes a gouge. Then there’s that precessional cycle, that slow gyration of a rotating axis of the planet that continues to move as subtle as ever, as if meant to change the seasons. Plants seem to know how to adapt well when weather stressed, at least, it’s hoped where the Solar cycle is concerned.
One prediction might be that it is already too late, and now it’s simply a matter of cutting losses all around. “And what about this business of water on the Moon, anyway?”
“I sit a Queen, and am no widow, and see no sorrow’
The queen has never lost her wealth, treasure, gold, jewels, etc. Her and her remnants have for millenniums hid in the mountains, the dens of governments using the rocks for cover creating flimsy constitutions. These beasts need soldiers, servants and factory workers. They need their banks, buildings, palaces, institutions protected. Their trusted servants are the free masons. These queens are the group from the caucasus mountains. That other woman in the garden was banned and dropped off by the flying eagles/UFO’s known as the watchers, the arc angels. Babylon the proxy city of her eye.
Example of her craft, the royal color purple created in Tyre. Jumping ahead, America is the 2 horned beast that brought fire down from the sky in Revelation 13. (13 colonies) This newbie beast, the off spring of the leopard (lion passant guardant) Coat of Arms, was the cut off head of England. The wound healed and called America. The image of those bombs by the Tru-man, true to what? The 33rd. Those images, fotos and films were seen over and over everywhere. The image of the beast the fire brought down from the skies/Heaven. The other kings watched, learned and took action 75 years of excellent planning
For 75 years the others have secretly planned to never be a Japan. Those 10 kings with no kingdom spend 1 hour with the beast, just enough to sell and buy. The Abomination of Desolation the work of the blue eyed Aryan tribe in 1945 by the 33 degree mason, the 33rd president in the 20th century are going to pay back double in the 21st century. The Trumpet, that great loud voice, the 45th president is setting in motion the ultimate payback. The caucasus queens and their offspring have been in Anartica and space since selling the gold to the UFO’s 1933. These flying eagles was the grandest of kings ate gold to be immortal (Esther the queen ewe became Estrella after taking a swig of the golden potion. Read that chapter and the other little ones in the bible. The scribes let the little words slip by but hidden in the paragraphs you can find the coordinates, past military targets and future places of great secrets) (Jesus was given the same glass by the magi) those pittyful shrunken men were once big giant kings. They mark the places on the globe with crop circles and stones. Underneath are bones remains of the murdered by their orders. They need blood thus the killing of ugalates. The queens do not need us anymore they have other slaves or robots. Word search those 2 words.
Get your passports ready if possible flee to Mexico before the wall keeps you in. If you stay here have a 1 year supply of food/water and a way to cook beans and rice. Have your 72 hour bag ready to go. Have the Koran on your coffee table and a picture of the dragon hanging on your wall.
I believe things are a bit more complicated.
First, Putin himself hinted quite strongly to a possible future military alliance with… China. The Chinese however weren’t that quick to agree with such posibility
Secondly, Russia economy is about the size of Italy, which I think is like only the fourth in European Union. Russia GDP per capita is smaller than most or all EU countries (only exception might by Bulgaria but I am not sure, they should be anyway pretty close).
Russia also depends a lot on EU where they sell a big chunk of their oil and gas and which is one of their main revenue source. They simply can’t ignore it.
EU istelf is split betwen some parts of the west (mostly Germany and France) who want a more closer relation with Russia, and the east (Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, Czechia, Slovakia) who suffered tremendously under Russian occupation, and also some nordic countries that feel the breath of Russia on their back (Finland, Norway etc).
Despite Germany economic domination, they are not at all capable to impose their foreign policy view in EU, especially in the countries I mentioned above and who have their own, deep national issues with Russia.
These are the countries US rely more in building a NATO wall in east (with lot more US involvement lately), and they have all the possible reasons and obviously the freedom to chose their own national policy. Russia is in no way in the position to demand anything from anyone in this regard and is rightfully seen as a threat and a criminal empire that deserve all the worse and all the possible revenge.
I don’t see Turkey as any serious threat for EU, they backed down in Mediteranean Sea when French navy showed up, their economy is also in free fall more or less and most of their defence industry is still heavily depending on foreign imports, licenses and collaborations. On top of that Erdogan managed to piss off most of its neighbours and a lot of EU countries and NATO partners. He plays a very dangerous game of partnership mixed with direct rivalry in some areas, with Russia, who is well known for backstabbing her partners when it suits her and who is very devious when play such games.
And Putin I say is well above Erdogan.
Except that the number of military age men from the middle east in the EU already vastly outnumber their police and military combined. They just have to be activated.
Also 50 men can defeat hundreds if the 50 armed men work together and the hundreds they take on resist them in only small hand fulls at a time which would likely be the case. Now several million in groups of 50 or more can wipe out tens of millions of panicked and disorganized resisters. Likely most won’t even put up a fight. Just offer the militants the finest houses in the country after its done and a dozen slave girls a piece. Not saying this is going to happen but if a lot of the migrants came there with dreams of making it big but are instead living in squaller than this might be all it takes.
I am in total agreement with you Rad that things are complicated indeed. It is often reminded on this forum when talking about Russia “watch what they do not what they say” In a line of that thinking here are few new facts about recent Russian moves.1) Siemens wins contract on Siberian fast train projects, 2)Due to extremely low oil prices RU defense budget gets 5% cut. Ones doesn’t try to aggravate relations with EU and at the same time builds express trains system thru Siberia to Europe. Cutting a military budget in the times of various hot spots in Asia does not necessary project power and confidence either.
Yes, Europe west of Russia is except until recently France are and have been at heart tribal chieftainships masquerading as states. The problem with the USA is that it’s a vassal of Europe especially the UK not the other way around. The USA fate was sealed when it was bamboozled into entering the great war at the beginning of the last century and began its slide into becoming the muscle for its old master in London and continental Europe
There is a history not easily forgotten[Germany/Russia]
Although similar to the relationship between Japan/China.
China’s Japan propaganda is relentless. Yet Mao killed at least ten times more Chines than Japan. Stalin starved millions of Russians. Unfortunately, Mao also starved millions.
I wonder how many the new USSA will starve?
Russia is also not happy w/the Nazis in DC., nor the EU giving the U.S the ability to surround it[NATO] w/missiles.
How can the U.S. be trusted; when its own Party leadership, sells the country they represent, right down the damn drain?
The U.S. telegraphs their intention by what they won’t do:
a sure bet on what the U.S. intends to do.
The coup d’état of the Ukraine; the rape of Russia, Yugoslavia, & other European nations in the recent past. What the U.S. did in the middle east, and continues to do all over the globe. But, now the NWO is taking-out nation states w/covid1984. Their already weak food chains will break; and a planned mass starvation will precede the new Mao’s & Stalin’s of the coming NWO Socialist Party[s].
What nation states have not been truly captured by this NWO cabal? Russia? China?
Whose/What is calling the U.S. shots? The EU shots? Are they, ultimately, one in the same?
Makes more geo-political since to play in its own backyard w/those that need each other. As a group they have more strengths in which to weather the coming storms.
Food & water & energy will be key.
Yet India, China, and Indo-China are extremely weak on these fronts.
Yes, to circumvent the EU governance; especially in the South, where the EU’s dagger is still in their nation’s bleeding backs.
Plus their Catholic religion holds sway over the EU’s [Nazi] fascist ideologies.
Hard to hold an economy together w/covid1984 hands tied behind your breaking & hungry backs.
Whose going to break those chains to be free once again?
Even free; the job of pulling it all together, is still too damn tough. But, at least; it’s doable.
I doubt Russia, nor China are under anyone’s thumb.
The rest are all suspect; to what degree, is anyone’s guess.
I suspect Russia and China are still in the grips of the NWO’s future King and Russia already years ago bragged to us how it was going to play out. After a false peace and allowing the West to think it has achieved victory with the crumbling of the Berlin wall and break up of the Soviet Union it would take over the West from within to destroy us. But there are three major players versions to these prophecies at play and the other two probable have tricks up their sleeve as well that have yet to be revealed.
I suspect they are following prophecies to get them behind humanity so we can concentrate on humanities future in a more united peaceful way. Just hope it’s not as mindless slaves.
t looks like Russia is leaving a vacuum in the EU for Turkey to jump into. As of lately it becomes clear that we are working on tensions between EU countries and Turkey which will result in a reaction from Turkey to establish order in the EU and in the meantime resurrect the old Ottoman empire.
I suspect despite their concerns with China, China/Russian economic activity will also be increased. But likely India and Japan will be increased the most to stabilize the region and weaken the west’s dominance. Likely all these countries are wary of the west’s true intentions and are seeking to increase economic activity with each other for GDP growth stability that doesn’t need trade with the west anymore. Also if my predictions are accurate you will see an increased tension and divide between Russia and the west and an increased tension between Turkey and Europe. Both Europe and the US I suspect is on the globalist menu. The British Common Wealth is likely distancing from the EU and US without seeming to do so as well because they are privy to the Global Banking King’s potential plot. I suspect it’s all following a script written by the prophits but paid for and forced by man and not God.
USA being the feral child of (apes=MI6/5eyes)
EU being fronted by children/spawn of the 4th Reich..?
Big trouble in little Babylonia I was watching an early b/w episode of Danger Man in which he was on the street a couple blocks away from the BBC bldg. and I had to pause because from that angle, at the time of filming, the building looked like a mini tower of Babylon. O well…
Pope Nero-Caligula is playing flute,
for his vassal state proselytes,
who are agreeing unable
and less capable,
like screaming prostitutes.
First of all, a lot depends on whether Miles Mathis’ “Phoenician Navy” really exists and is pulling global strings in the background. If so, that would mean all this is just a ‘stage play’ to keep the monkey-minds divided & conquered – globally.
To the extent that Russia truly is an independent entity, some ‘Rubicon’ has been passed. Either they have been backed into a corner and are moving into ‘cornered cat’ mode, or they are feeling secure-enough now (internally and externally) that they can just ignore provocations from the US and vassal states (the EU).
If Russia is truly independent, I would look for some kind of ‘nationalization’ of their Western-inserted central bank. That has been a thorn in their side for decades. The record build-up of gold reserves (actual, physical gold) could be seen as a necessary prerequisite for this move, as well as a separate financial-transaction system.
Without this ‘nationalization’, I am going with the “Phoenician Navy” worldview. With a ‘nationalization’, Russia may be a true Independent Player…
Might that explain the complaint in tidbits about a rottrchild siphoning thru roseneft?
Also, i hope if russia does play the independent role that they have the power to do so without ending up like libya.
Thru all this does it occur that ussr collapse with gifts 4 the west is now reversed with west collapse with gifts for putin?
Some might equate that phoenecian nany with tech oligarchs and takpiot grads in telaviv. Brendon o connell?
I suspect if they allow Turkey to destroy Europe and China and the US to take each other out; Russia, India, and the British Common wealth will then destroy Turkey and allies. Then the Temple can be built.
I doubt every country on earth is totally controlled by the “Phoenician” crowd. I don’t believe China and Russia are, central banks or not. I suspect there’s been a continuous war over the last century or two (at least) between the international banksters and Russia. The money men won a battle during the Rape of Russia, but the war is ongoing.
From my experience growing up in a family with recent Eastern European roots, and having been an exchange student in Russia during perestroika, my impression is that people in the West underestimate Russians’ feeling of belonging to a nation; their willingness to sacrifice to defend that nation (Russia, not the USSR); their cultural cohesion (increased after the restoration of the Orthodox Church); and their ability to weather hardship. I don’t see Russia as easy prey for Mr. Globaloney.
FiatLux, Mathis sticks only with provable history. So, his “Phoenician Navy” worldview only goes back to the nations way post-Sumer, but still coming out of the Mesopotamian area. Under that worldview, pre-Russia and pre-China are moderately likely to have stayed self-determining from “Phoenician Navy” tentacles, at least until the last century or few.
My worldview incorporates whatever the ‘mythical’ Anunnaki were and maybe are. I believe they were globe-spanning, due to their tech. As such, they had much more capability to be ‘hidden masters’ of the whole world (whichever parts they deemed to be worth their effort) down to our era. Time will tell if that is true…