TIME TRAVEL WITHOUT PARADOXES… AND REALLY HIGH OCTANE

TIME TRAVEL WITHOUT PARADOXES… AND REALLY HIGH OCTANE…

One story in particular seems to have grabbed people's attention this past week, and my email inbox was stuffed with versions of it, so thanks to all of you who sent it.

Remember the 1980s movie Back to the Future with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J Fox, where Lloyd plays a somewhat nuts professor inventing a time machine from a converted DeLorean car, and Fox the guy who used it and traveled back in time to cause all sorts of paradoxes? Well, that can't happen, according to a new theory out there that is positing a rather interesting view of the universe that prevents that from happening:

Paradox-Free Time Travel Is Theoretically Possible, Researchers Say

s Quantum time travel doesn't follow Back to the Future rules

Here's the way the second article puts it:

“On a quantum computer, there is no problem simulating opposite-in-time evolution, or simulating running a process backwards into the past,” says Nikolai Sinitsyn, co-author of the study. “So we can actually see what happens with a complex quantum world if we travel back in time, add small damage, and return. We found that our world survives, which means there’s no butterfly effect in quantum mechanics.”

Using an IBM-Q quantum processor, the team created a complex system using quantum gates and demonstrating cause and effect, running both forwards and backwards in time. The simulation involved two hypothetical people, Alice and Bob, who each have a qubit – a quantum bit of information.

In the scenario, Alice prepares her qubit in the present, then sends it backwards in time. At some point in the past, Bob interferes with the qubit by measuring it. Then, the system is run forwards again to the present time, and Alice checks her qubit.

What you think “should” happen next depends on which time travel rules you subscribe to. The butterfly effect says that because the qubit is tied to so many variables, Bob’s small interference should completely change the system by the time we get back to the future (or present, to Alice).

But the team found that that wasn’t the case. Alice’s qubit comes back relatively unscathed, and she can recover the information on it. Interestingly, the fact that it’s tied to so many variables seems to be what actually saves it from damage – the information in the present qubit was hidden in the quantum correlations in the deep past. This web of connections isn’t so easily disturbed by Bob’s amateur efforts at timeline vandalism. (Emphasis added)

And here's the way the first article puts it:

A variation is known as the "grandfather paradox" — in which a time traveler kills their own grandfather, in the process preventing the time traveler's birth.

The logical paradox has given researchers a headache, in part because according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, "closed timelike curves" are possible, theoretically allowing an observer to travel back in time and interact with their past self — potentially endangering their own existence.

But these researchers say that such a paradox wouldn't necessarily exist, because events would adjust themselves.

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In other words, a time traveler could make changes, but the original outcome would still find a way to happen — maybe not the same way it happened in the first timeline but close enough so that the time traveler would still exist and would still be motivated to go back in time.

"No matter what you did, the salient events would just recalibrate around you," Tobar said. (Emphasis added)

Or to put all that slightly differently (and relying on these articles without the benefit of the original papers): the universe has a built-in mechanism that seems to allow the possibility of time travel without apparently allowing major shifts in events (or does it? We'll get back to that.).  That mechanism appears to view causality not in a linear fashion, but a planar one, as a "web of connections", not one line leading from cause A to effect B, but several possible lines connecting the two. One might even speak in terms of a kind of "temporal network mass"(for want of a better term); the more the connections, the great the "temporal network mass" and the more that is required to move - i.e., change - it. The event still happens, but the path is different, meaning that the history is different. In other words, small changes of history can result if the outcome remains the same.

Notably, in the experiments, the scientists were using quantum computers (!) to run their experiments, and the computers behaved in an oddly deterministic way, demonstrating this "temporal network mass". In other words, the effects were being run at quantum scales. But I raise the point about history (the path) being different because while the claim is made that there is a mechanism preventing all the nasty paradoxes, I think that they haven't been removed, but merely relocated. Suppose one found a way to calculate that "temporal network mass", say, by calculating the lines emerging from each node? (In fact, what we're suggesting is that the lattice of space-time might be a semi-regular tesselation, for those interested in the technical stuff.) But if that were the case, and assuming this type of paradox-free time travel were possible on the macro-scale as well as the quantum, how would one calculate, say, the "temporal network mass" of a Joseph Stalin, whose wretched existence affected human history and millions of lives? And could that be undone by a time-traveller?  And if so, how?

One really (and I mean really extremely) high octane speculation emerges from the idea that the universe as a self-correcting mechanism in the form of that "web of connections", and that is that a "temporal network mass" could only be overcome by a correspondingly greater force, a force sufficient to move it. And part of that temporal network mass results precisely from its history, and the only way to overcome that is to overcome the particular memory of that particular historical path.

And that means the only was to test such an hypothesis, is to do it on a macro-scale.

OK. Now that I've once again run straight off the end of the speculation twig and crashed into the bottom of the speculation canyon like Wile E. Coyote, I'll stop there before I get myself into more trouble.

See you on the flip side...

48 thoughts on “TIME TRAVEL WITHOUT PARADOXES… AND REALLY HIGH OCTANE…”

  1. Does anyone one thought of that we might be creating new timeline, and our memory always linked to that timeline.

    So whatever we do Universe creates a new timeline, and never allow paradoxes. Because it always happened in this timeline, in this timeline if I gone back and assassinated JFK. Then it always happen like that. And if I never gone back, and never assassinated JFK, our memories will always be like JFK survived as president till 1968. Our memories of event linked to this timeline/universe.

    Yeah, future will always be certain in a single timeline, but you got power to create new timelines aka new universes.

    After all inflation theory predict these multiverses without going into string theory.

    OR, we are in end of the universe inside a Boltzman brain, and the fate is decided by this brain

    OR, we are the last civilization in the end of the time, all stars galaxies are gone. We are orbiting a black hole, and we created a simulation of 19th / 20th century, because we like it being in this.

      1. I’ve been considering an opposing view to this recently. I’ve been considering the possibility that elements and charges are formed by a concentration of a universal field waves which curve with the curvature of space. Where these waves intersect each other and add to each others energy along this great sphere of potential some may form particles with spin properties and appear as positive charges from the energy gain of these intersections. Where these waves collide and cancel each other out you may also get a spinning void which appear negative. Where the timing and distance is just right these two structures opposing charges may attract and become trapped in their particle spins and the negative particle may get trapped in orbit around the positive. As more and more of these form and get trapped together their mass increases and they contract into different atoms. As more and more atoms get attracted to each other and form bonds that become massive objects they contract even more. The larger the center of mass the objects that form are the greater the gravity field they create. Gravity might be the pull on the universal field that is created from the contraction of parts of that field to form particles. The field gets stretched inwards to form condensed particles and like a rubber band there is a pulling on the rest of the surrounding field towards the center of mass that we call gravity.

        1. There is an infinite sea of energy(SPACE). And the entropy that manifests all of creation and destruction has always existed within this sea and is also infinite(TIME). There never was a Big Bang. Out of Chaos comes Order and Creation. And out of more Chaos comes disorder and destruction. This infinite sea of energy has no empty spaces but is instead stretched thin in many places to form masses in many others. Solids are like ice bergs formed from the same sea but their formation thins the density of the surrounding sea from which it pulls its substance because even though it is infinite space something still has to give. Light is a wave that travels these stretched areas of the space and gets absorbed and refracted everywhere it goes.

        2. There is a problem, the universe is flat, I know several people dont like it, but the results are coming from several independent experiments, and it suggesting the same thing.

          Our universe have no curvature, we are in ever expanding universe. Its disheartining, but I guess that is the truth. I come to the part about infinite energy later.

          The eternal inflation theory actually solve about the big bang, that we are part of a ever expanding universe where inflation never stopped.

          And a speck of quantum fluctuation allows to create new universes, and these universes never collide because in main universe inflation never stopped. In every new plank time, infinite amounts of universes are created.

          So the big bang itself become meaningless.

          Might be in our universe a fluctuation create a new universe with new cosmological constant and create a vaccume catastrophe.

          And when this new universe achieve life, for them it looks like a big bang. But it was not more than a quantum fluctuation that changed cosmological constant and created a big bang in itself with whole new universe.

          1. About the infinite energy.

            I dont know why we go into conspiracy theories, when even the main stream predict about infinite energy and breaking speed of light. You just need negative mass.

            Remember lot of physics never tell about the difference in Causality and Speed of light. The difference between them is huuuuge.

            And negative mass never breaks the causality but only speed of light.

            And Dirac equations actually predict negative mass.

          2. Interesting perspective! I’ll have to play with it. I try to visualize this stuff and I’m always looking for new perspectives for doing so. I’m a philosopher not a scientist though.

          3. I see curvature of space as a localized phenomenon that forms around centers of mass because these mass formations, when forming, pull on the aether from all directions stretching it thin to form their masses.

  2. “And that means the only [missing “way”] was to test such an hypothesis, is to do it on a macro-scale.”
    or is it the Way-back machine running amok?

  3. Loxie Lou Davie

    anak…..”being aware of action while performing”! That statement made me stop & think. Since I spent 70 years of my life NOT being “in the moment”, living by someone else’s rules, learning what I have in the past 6 years, has led me to a curious conclusion!

    In looking back over a lifetime of happenings I have come to the conclusion that we are a part of someone else’s Big Video Game & each of us has “Handlers” guiding us along the way. I DO wonder what the purpose of The Game is???

    If we become Self Aware, are we then able to change the outcome of a Future?!! As an American Culture, we do seem to be at a tipping point as regards our Future. If it takes only 3.5 % to effect a change….I wonder if we have reached that point yet???

  4. Does anyone know if Time Travel is taught or studied in the Kabbalah? I know nothing about this religion but
    it seems to be referenced widely – for example:
    The Illusion of Time and Space – “We are meant to elevate our souls to a state above time and space.”
    https://kabbalah.com/en/articles/the-illusion-of-time-and-space/
    Time Travel https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/220959/jewish/Time-Travel.htm
    But this site refutes it:
    https://meashearim.wordpress.com/2017/08/05/q-a-can-i-use-kabbalah-for-time-travel/

    1. “Does anyone know if Time Travel is taught or studied in the Kabbalah? ” Yes, but its more mind travel than physical travel. db

  5. It seems one needs to first establish parameters for venturing away or outside one’s current frame of Being without losing the presence of Being. This thermodynamic present state where a singular direction is apparent and not theorized, for instance. Once parameters are related in kind, there seems to be a lexicon of alpha-numeric symbology incomplete or at best imprecise to plot or, at least, bi-locate intact. It then seems to need testing those conditions for variables not first observed when trial(s) are made for feasibility. “To Boldly Go,. . . .” to coin a phrase.

    In one’s humble opinion, it is vane arrogance to presume any fast synapse has all the answers accounted for in beginning their trial(s). Incompleteness, imprecision, and fiction are fruitful ingredients toward honing hypothesis and theory by most accounts. The business of adjusting [time] to suit seems to need the means, if not understanding, to at least bi-locate initially. You know, have a destination to plot that might be determined by placing two separate points on an imagined line by manifesting form(s) at each point if moving a corporeal frame of Being. It might even suggest that there needs to be two separate constructs of form (one’s corporeal Being, let’s say) at those two separate points that then expand into three-dimensional existence with a fourth thermodynamic duration. As for the proposition of an infinite placement of such expansion where multi-verses and such play out, one would wonder about the use of energy, the amount needed, its efficient manipulation, and, of course, its conservation to be viable with continued use if not practice at using. There doesn’t seem to be enough said or sayable lexicon to hone that actual outcome in form.

    Then again, there might be another way and means to detach time and Being from any thermodynamic tether that seems to bind one’s corporeal frame to this present state. You know, leave time where it’s said to manifest and to ‘Boldly Go,’ anyway, leaving any doubt of impossibility stuck in that lengthy, linear, imprecise, and incomplete lexicon of doubting dummkopfs insist on keeping limited. Just saying. . .

  6. Hadji Gegenraum

    Well when I read about Temporal Mass Networks I got a chuckle as my thinking quickly veered off into the nomenclature of Scientology, particularly the idea of the MEST Universe, made up of Matter, Energy, Space and Time…and breaking free from that…..

  7. Encouraged by our host to entertain in some HOS to the poin of falling off the cliff, I can’t shake the feeling that our capabilities to time travel are way beyond quantum computing simulations. Well somebody was finally successful in poisoning POTUS and good portion of White House staff.

  8. But the problem is garbage in garbage out do these scientists really know what they are doing.

  9. It would be so great if we could all make like a spider with the force of a Black Belt to navigate this web with intention to adapt the future with the best possible outcomes…this would look like Pelosi and her Mob Ring being locked out of congress forever and possibly behind bars along with Hillary and all the others that have committed crimes against humanity. It might take several trips and generations to get it right but what fun it would be to dive into that web and see what cut due done. Lots of trial and error I assume but would be well worth it ;).

  10. You don’t need a powerful computer to do it. All you need is a mechanism to change how information is observed. The Mandela Effect.

    1. anakephalaiosis

      Mandela Effect is six million tampering with collective consciousness.

      It is countered, by distinction between Theoria (viewer) and Poiesis (doer), and by transcending them into Praxis (ideal doer).

      It means being aware of action, while performing. That is clarity of total and absolute presence.

      Cosmic clarity cuts through the deception.

  11. Maybe on a computer it doesn’t change the butterfly effect, because the computer can only follow set rules. It can only communicate with straight lines and squares, I/O, on/off with nothing inbetween. It can’t create a natural 360 degree circle. Nature doesn’t have straight lines. The computer has to follow very detailed rules. Artificial intelligence is artificial. Where humans are alive and have the ability and freedom to think and create. The universe has the broadest of possible possibilities.

    1. Sandygirl, in the last few weeks I have been wondering, that if the SARS-covid-2 ‘thing’ is not actually an exercise being run by AI, then it is a training exercise for AI to learn from all the data being mined from the event. Everything from Project Fear and responses to it, the level of compliance, the level of dissent, all gleaned from our digital presence, to fill them in on the complexity of the human under various pressures and stimulii on a huge, global scale to get the greatest metric.
      The resulting knowledge would be beyond value for future controlling strategies, therefore a few $trillion worldwide splashed down the covid drain sort-of makes sense of something I otherwise can’t make sense of.

  12. I hate to throw something icky in the pot, but “Back to the Future” was a MOVIE. It didn’t really happen. And no one REALLY went back in time. They’re just playing with computers. Increasingly, I’ve noticed a tendency in the public discourse to describe events and ideas in terms of how they were depicted in the cinema. Anyway, I gotta run. Got to catch up on season 3 of “Blacklist “ in order to find out what’s being done to us!

    1. Thank for the reminder on Black List – that’s about right…good time for us all to refresh.

    2. anakephalaiosis

      Allegories are useful tools in deduction.

      By comparing various models, one deduces the probable.

      By treating oneself as an allegory, the observer becomes the context.

      That is being outside oneself.

  13. At the risk of sounding like a true luddite, can we humans trust the output or conclusions of any quantum computer or any AI system? It’s all so subjective, each millisecond in time would allow the potential of billions of varied possibilities. Every computer is “No-mad” in my limited experience…”Error…Error!!!”

  14. that does not feel like speculation. how insightful.

    attempts to interact in the past through intention and concentration have a verboten feeling. it’s either because it would be a waste of energy or create more work for the stabilizing force, and perhaps taint the future karma of the viewer.
    attempts to visualize and send intentions into the present for future effect have a synergistic gleeful feeling.

    perhaps the stabilizing force in the web of connections is aggregate human intentions with angelic fascia.

  15. I get where you’re going Dr. Farrell, and I wonder if they are going to test this hypothesis “officially”. Unofficially? All bets are off. What if this “discovery” is just another “announcement” to prime the culture for another set of monumental changes. (Has Dr. Who walked on to the global stage? Are the SPMOTU now trying to become “time lords?”)

      1. By planting evidence in the distant past that creates the appearance of an ancient alien presence to justify the alien invasion hypothesis? If we can think of such a notion I’m certain they would also. Its all about the agenda–and Weiner von Braun tipped his hat to part of it.

  16. Robert Barricklow

    Blackboard quantum physics is like blackboard economics; especially, when the subject matter is geared to money buying the results: pharmaceuticals, economics[neoliberal], practically any subject matter has been fictionalized. Simply put: if it won’t replicate[in peer reviewed experiments], then it’s hard to describe what you’ve done as scientific at all. The way academic research is currently set up it incentivizes these “science as fiction” problems, encouraging researchers to obsess about prestige, fame, funding and reputation at the expense of rigorous, reliable results.
    Hollywood created a bureaucracy for this kind of time travel: The Adjustment Bureau.
    More like a self-correcting quantum computer; that’s been programed that the network is GOD, and can’t be changed nor questioned.
    As one researcher put it, “I’m all for rigor, but I don’t have the time for it” …,, worrying about whether results will replicate or not isn’t optional.
    The system is badly broken. Important knowledge, discussed by any scientist but not deemed interesting enough to publish, is being hidden, distorted by the scientific record and damaging our medicine, technology, educational endeavors and government policies.
    There has been a deep corruption that effects the very science culture in which research is practiced and published, which has become a dizzying array of incompetence, delusion, and self-deception, in the process, the central purpose of science – to find our way ever closer to the truth – is being undermined.

    1. Malcolm Kendrick on the low replication rate of current peer reviewed work (aka fraud in my dictionary).

      Ran across a site last week called retraction watch. Figured they could be a new generation of accurate fact checkers. Nope. Theey are still pushing a false narrative about Andy Wakefield.

  17. Jane Roberts wrote a series of “Seth Books” 40 years ago (Seth Speaks, The Nature Of Personal, and many more) – channeled books – wherein this subject was discussed many times in a coherent intelligent manner.

    In recent times I have found myself frequently wakening in the morning when I have to recollect who I am and where I am. Amusing.

    Consider simultaneous multiple existences, each with separate timelines, and… Well, you get the drift.

    1. Deities seem to fear humanity becoming Gods themselves. First tribal shaman’s and chiefs tried to achieve this by claiming it was so and tricking or forcing their people to worship them and give them divine powers by believing they had them. But too many other people among other tribes and nations outside their control disbelieved them so limited their success. So they tried to conquer the world and become Emperors and some claimed they were God Emperors or Kings and demanded the people worship and believe in their divine nature and powers. Some have come close to conquering the world in an attempt to get the whole world’s consciousness accepting and believing in their divinity. Do they actually gain something by doing this? And might this attempt to become a God what really motivates those in the know about this stuff?

      1. Ancient myths and fairy tales seem to hint that there was a time when inter dimensional interactions with Earth was a wild ride; and when conscious beliefs and abilities had a lot more power and was also a wild ride between extremes of manifestation. Perhaps when our magnetic shield was weak and/or before reality was tamed by organized religious religious beliefs that were brutally enforced and kept. Then began the war of religions perhaps which may have really been a war for reality control. But no one of them could ever get complete control. So then a mathematical belief system called science was invented to circumvent religious differences. Belief and acceptance of Mathematics really tamed manifestation potentials to a much greater degree than religion ever did and for much more of the planet. Until quantum theories came along and began to upset the apple cart and reveal the true wild ride of reality potentials again. But from mathematic rose the digital world; and a potential to enslave conscious manifestation and reality to the greatest degree yet once it gets finished.

  18. I’ve witnessed the Mandela Effect so I suspect there are multiple paths that lead to the present. There are even multiple presents. And multiple futures. I guess many call it parallel timelines. As far as the person who’s distant relative was killed so shouldn’t exist, her past would remain the same just everyone around her would find in the records that her relative was killed before she was born so would be wondering who she really was; unless they were aware of the Mandela Effect.

    1. Paradoxes already seem to occur on their own, unless their mere existence itself is proof someone among us is already time travelling and producing them.

  19. I tend to believe what is done cannot be undone; the future doesn’t yet exist. That leaves us with only the now where we truly exist and where what we do surely matters.

    1. But is the past identical from all 7 billion individual conscious experiences? What we can do or experience in the presence has a lot to do with our our knowledge, environment, ability and awareness of the potential of the moment. Knowledge, ability, and awareness of greater potential may open up to greater potential futures. By the way I’m not talking about perception of past events for all individual 7 billion of us I’m talking about actual physical timeline manifestation. Good luck proving it is!

      1. But if the globalists get their way soon we will have digital recordings 24/7 of every inch of the Earth. It will be the beginning of digital enslavement of all potential and a digital prison for conscious manifestations that could undermine their desired micro controlled digital timeline. Especially once the digital interface brain chip becomes mandatory for all sentient timeline jumping beings. Timeline jumping might not be a means for escape from their digitalized reality and digital prison planet.

  20. This adds a whole new depth and dimension (ha ha) to the worn and somewhat silly phrase …
    “It couldn’t have happened any other way!”

    I’ll see myself out…

  21. A synchronicity: I am in the early stages of reading a book by Alan Butler, Intervention: How Humanity from the Future Has Changed Its Own Past. Butler addresses the paradoxes of time travel (grandfather paradox, etc.) by – in essence – incorporating them into history. In my ‘translation’, it is like viewing multiple universes from outside SpaceTime. If you are on a specific timeline (important!) at the point in their history where you have the technological or spiritual chops to travel backwards in time, you are kind of a ‘slave’ to that timeline. You can indeed travel back in time, but you cannot do anything (by definition) which will self-sabotage your timeline – no matter how you might plan it.

    For example, if you ‘appear’ in Elizabethan England, it will be as if you were already part of their history – by definition. If you accidentally trip Queen Elizabeth, that will already be in your specific timeline’s history books. Otherwise, your timeline (and you) would not exist to travel back in time.

    Where it gets interesting, according to Butler, is that – for your specific timeline to exist – there might have been interventions large and small that were required along the timeline. But, only the interventions that were needed to bring your present world (and you) into existence. None other.

    In one way, it sounds like hoisting oneself up by one’s own bootstraps. In another way, it sounds like a very powerful way to justify your individual place on one timeline of the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. And wow, does it strengthen the role of the Observer who has mastered time travel…

    1. anakephalaiosis

      The Ryne-Stafas (run letters) are a perfect “time machine”, that uses the incarnation as vehicle.

      The interesting point is the “flash point” in Kairos (centered time), between Chronos (peripheral time) and Eon (axial time), in the sundial.

      The center of the sundial is a point of balance, between diametrical oppositions.

      A 32-point compass has the 33rd point in the center.

    2. goshawks, Have you read about bi-location practiced by a high level catholic as well as some esoteric literature. I think its possible but to bi-locate in time would be something quite different. Just a thought.

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