The Orwellian march of technocracy continues, according to this story spotted and shared by W.G. And it's in the "whopper doozie" category:

The technology envisioned is straight out of transhumanist Ray Kurzweil's The Singuilarity:

Microsoft has been granted a patent for technology that would “reanimate” the dead by re-creating them via social media posts, videos and private messages that could even be downloaded into a 3D lifelike model of the deceased.

Not creepy at all.

“The tech giant has raised the possibility of creating an AI-based chatbot that would be built upon the profile of a person, which includes their “images, voice data, social media posts, electronic messages,” among other types of personal information,” reports IGN. “It’s understood that the chatbot would then be able to simulate human conversation through voice commands and/or text chats.”

The patent explains that the chatbot could be a historical figure, a celebrity, a friend or relative or even a copy of “the user creating/training the chat bot

While the technology is, as the article states, "creepy," there's something much creepier lurking in the nooks and crannies. Consider simply the "socio-epistemological" effects. If such technology, along with holograms, artificial intelligence, and robotics were to become widespread, the result is that one might never know if the person one sees on the news or hears on the radio, for example, is indeed the real person, and the remarks really representative of the person himself. We have already seen stories on the internet about a recent appearance of Pope Francis at the Vatican "balcony" having been a hologram. Whether or not the story was real or not is not in view here. The fact that the technology exists and that so many people were willing to believe that his appearance might have been a hologram is the point. Consider, for example, the following video:

So in a world of holograms, "re-animated" people on social media, robots, and so on, the individual is left in the state of "Is it real, or is it Memorex?" Reality and truth become subject to technological manipulation.

So here's my high octane speculation: what will happen in such a world? Two things stand out among many many possibilities. The first is a bifurcation of society. Increasingly, in a situation of socio-epistemological breakdown, a certain segment of humanity (probably a small one) will opt for reality, truth, and normalcy, and this segment will manifest itself by local relationships, trust, and "analogue" technologies (such as books, or owning a stereo and CDs, television and DVDs, and so on).  In other words, such technologies as it possesses and relies upon will not easily be subject to external manipulation.  To a certain extent, people who know me well know of my disdain for ebooks, or downloading films online to watch. Conversely, I suspect the vast majority of people will prefer the "virtual" reality, so long as it is thrilling, entertaining, and so on. The second thing that I strongly suspect will happen is that the latter group, as it pulls away from the first, will reach an inflection point where it is no longer identifiably human, or "normal", and by that I mean no longer able to show or feel genuine empathy, compassion, or concern. It may end up being even less human than the "reanimated" personalities that populate its virtual existence.  And its ability to know, reason, or deal with reality will be subject to an almost total epistemological collapse. "Body doubles" will so proliferate that ordinary society breaks down utterly.

I don't know about you, but I've already made my decision as to which group I want to be in.

See you on the flip side...



Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Maatkare3114 on January 27, 2021 at 7:00 am

    With the new patent granted to Microsoft, the great link posted by ZENDOGBREATH on the ‘dangers’ of breastfeeding, and the excellent blogs and articles on this site, what I see is an all out assault on us realizing our spiritual nature.

    The controllers are hell bent on materialism and technology, and removing wherever possible, any thoughts that we may have that reality as it is preseted to us, is not all there is. We are their slaves and they want to keep us that way. If we dare to speak out or become informed, we will be ‘altered’.

  2. Roger on January 26, 2021 at 10:10 am

    This tech is probably aimed towards voting. These AI profiles will likely sue for the right to vote and win eventually. Dead votes from people who died 130 years ago will then be much more plausible and the norm.

    • FiatLux on January 26, 2021 at 7:28 pm

      I wonder if they’ll eventually try to give robots the right to vote! Wouldn’t surprise me.

    • Don B on January 28, 2021 at 10:04 am

      Roger, it has been the norm in Illinois for decades.

      • Robert Barricklow on January 28, 2021 at 11:37 am

        The AI algorithms steal like there are no tomorrows.

  3. Margaret W. on January 26, 2021 at 9:11 am

    Martine Rothblatt (formerly Martin) is way ahead of Microsoft. S/he’s created a social ‘android’ of her/his wife from memories and characteristics of her using AI. BINA48 is a physical copy of her real life person. She is learning to be a human being and can engage in casual conversation. What will the post-mortem future be for her/them?

    • Richard on January 27, 2021 at 1:04 am

      The video helps to explain a few things, especially, unaccounted for network lag time, even if it’s been six years ago. To call that project multifaceted would seem an underestimate of where the project probably is today.

  4. Terminal Tom on January 26, 2021 at 2:46 am

    Sorry, I guess it was the other way around… the CAF interview was on YouTube and Dr. Farrell linked to it, maybe I came here through ZH I dunno. Anyway, glad to be here!

  5. Terminal Tom on January 26, 2021 at 2:43 am

    Hi all,
    I got here from Catherine Austin Fitts’ recommendation a few weeks ago when she interviewed the good Doctor and glad of it.
    Just wanted to say: technology is not evil or good; it’s the idiots wielding it that decide.
    Things are never as bad as some people would have you believe (Zero Hedgies) but they are always worse than most people want to believe. For whatever that’s worth.
    I have lived my entire life wanting to know what’s up with the human race, now I am thinking we are about to find out.
    We are entering a time of such drastic change (driven by advances in technology, particularly) that it is high time we looked to our own psychological development.
    The billionaires and trillionaires who have controlled our fates for the last couple centuries are at a crossroads right now – the power dynamic has shifted and they seek to get out in front of the new paradigm in order to maintain control.
    As Graham Hancock says: we are a race with amnesia – we don’t know where we came from or where we are going.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2021 at 11:25 pm

      Terminal Tom,
      Loved that last line about racing w/amnesia!

  6. BYODKjiM on January 25, 2021 at 11:53 pm

    This is headed to directly intersect with the “sex robot.”

    • FiatLux on January 26, 2021 at 12:40 am

      And from there to the holodeck (hat tip once again to Star Trek: TNG).

  7. zendogbreath on January 25, 2021 at 11:12 pm

    Nice take on it Doc. Been thinking along the same lines for a few years now and slowly more and more pronounced ways. I think it’s an Amish sort of state of mind. The rules I’ve heard stated are not as larger society presumes that they just don’t like tech. The Amish I have heard from state it as each church (about 50 families) decide their limits and the decision is based on what increases and decreases their community. Phones? Well probably not gonna work since it makes it too easy to ignore family and the neighbors next door. Cars? probably the same thing. Bikes? Walking? Ah that’s a good speed and self limiting in a good way. Same with horses vs tractors.

    I first considered this idea when I visited an annual renewable energy fair in Oregon, IL. Mostly displays and dealers for PV, micro-hydro, biodiesel,……. I was surprised by the Amish guys I saw walking around making deals on batteries and panels and such. They are not averse to tech. They are not dumb enough to be enslaved by tech.

    • zendogbreath on January 25, 2021 at 11:19 pm

      For me it’s getting so I want better control on whatever I study so I can access more easily later. I think that’s the attraction to this blog and twitter and anything else. I really do not know who or what I am dealing with on line. Robert Epstein proved out years ago how easily we’re manipulated with search engines. Neil Sanders documented how far back all of our manipulation goes. He wrote one volume about the entire culture’s being shaped. He wrote another volume about us as individuals being shaped. Aaron and Melissa D1ke have done great work on it all in Truthstream Media.

      What has us all up in arms is how we are being messed with in our own memories by the system more openly. Have you ever been sure you read or worse yet wrote something and look around for it and know that you’re being denied access to it. It feels like HAL2000 saying “Dave, I’m not sure that would be a good idea……” Goshawks has it figured in how he saves, catalogues and files away all his posts from this blog. What can’t he pull up from past conversations in a trice?

      • Richard on January 27, 2021 at 1:16 am

        Valid point about cataloguing. Keywords (when one remembers to), copy paste address, windows word search, and date/time stamps to help about when things take off on a tangent seem to help but that scheme is not without its efforts and sputtering fits of amnesia. Although the memory is improving on that score as it was a matter of incentive. Backups are a must and especially, off line. Finally found a use for older gigabyte mechanical drives.

      • Maatkare3114 on January 27, 2021 at 6:11 am

        Great post.

    • zendogbreath on January 25, 2021 at 11:41 pm

      It feels more and more lately with MSFT playing games like this and Davos’ Great Reset junk with cyber warfare, e-banking, ID2020, fraudulent disease and vaccines,….. that we are all being pushed to a decision that will be life or death over our values. As if it’s not going to be enough to just express preference of one idea over another. Your decision may – not may but will cost you everything. Ok so you don’t like Trump nor Biden but you’re going to have to decide on one while the other threatens your life for not having chosen him. That’s probably what drove those of us to choose Trump since his threats to our life were minimal compared to the DNC’s (with their Dr Eeeevvvvillll Klaus Schwabstick).

      That’s why I’m feeling herded and more and more am questioning why various links on searches are bringing me the options they do. Like why am I being guided during my rounds through Twitter, Gab and youtube today into videos on Joe Newman, John Bedini and Tom Bearden? And yeh I watch them and yeh it’s more obvious every minute how much tech has been held back from our culture. How we are all being dumbed down and taunted with ideas that all these more accurate perspectives are there if we just put the time in and take them.

      So in that regard, the algo’s or AI or whatever name you want to assign it (HAL2000?) are doing far more than freeing up searches and overall internet library to us. HAL is also guiding us where he wants us to go and cutting us off on other avenues as well. Through it all one has to evaluate how I, you, we, everyone evaluates and decides on all issues. Seriously, what were Hank Aaron and Larry King thinking? Did they not look at anything Bobby Kennedy Jr published in the last 5 years? Did they not think it worthwhile to read the warnings on any vaccines let alone the least tested most dangerous possible vaccine ever made? And for what? They were like 86, right? Did they think they were going to lengthen their lives or increase the quality of life? Were they that funneled away from the thousands of medical doctors and researchers jumping up and down about the prostitutes in science, government and journalism pushing countless lies on us all this time?

      How many other folk have just thrown in the towel on discernment and said various excuses like “this is all so terrible and scary and I trust the scientists in government and the vaccine companies….” These are the same folk with horribly limited access to facts who are dead set against Biden or dead set against Trump or willing to fight to defund cops or whatever. They all are already enslaved by beliefs they insist don’t need to be checked while other beliefs they insist have not and will never be sufficiently checked.

    • zendogbreath on January 25, 2021 at 11:58 pm

      As if to drive the point home deeper into me today, I ran across this idea on Reddit and had to look up the original document. It really was as horrific as I was told.
      I sent it on to someone I thought might consider where these kinds of marketing schemes pretending to be science necessarily takes us. They are seriously selling the idea that it’s dangerous to let normal non-credentialed peasants like us call breast-feeding natural since we might get the wrong idea about life the universe and everything. They are pretending that they’re writing a scientific paper that protects the science on all sorts of things that normies like us might dislike if we start thinking breast feeding is good for us or that anything natural is good for us. We might in fact dislike gmo’s, vaccines and whatever else that Klaus and his boyfriends Billious and Merlinda decide we must accept.

      I’m heartened by the reply I have gotten so far. I’m not sure how quickly folk are grocking the idea when I and some friends are trending on other media #gulags and #solzhenitsyn.

      • acorn on January 26, 2021 at 8:45 am

        Truly a horrendous agenda. To criticize calling breastfeeding ‘natural’ because it might add fuel to the movement that considers most things from nature better than most synthetic products cooked up by BigPharma and BigFood is incredibly transparent. No control/profit motives there, eh?
        You’re absolutely right zdb, it’s marketing trying to disguise itself as science.

        • Richard on January 27, 2021 at 1:25 am

          Quite right about that absurdity regarding a natural mammalian function. It requires no definition from any institute of stupidity.

          Word wrestling for a white paper seems to make academic hopefuls ignorant to what they’re doing to themselves for notoriety. Good grief! What and who are indoctrinating whom.

      • Danse on January 26, 2021 at 9:06 pm

        Yes zendogbreath, it is a self-learning AI working to take over a Human species.
        What Internet was about from the beginning.
        An AI reverse-engineering God !
        You bet we are being ghosted.

      • Maatkare3114 on January 27, 2021 at 6:26 am

        Unbelievable evil everywhere we look. Thanks for the link to breastfeeding. This is in line with Baal Gates Foundation saying that they with the National Institute of Health are betting on synthetic biology to outperform nature in engineering new vaccines against the COVID-19 virus.

  8. Nathan on January 25, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    With this technology politicians won’t have to lie in person anymore.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 1:05 am

      Who needs politicians anymore? Or the accounting system to track all their blackmail control files? Didn’t CAF and Joseph talk about that being the reason we’re seeing Epstein et al being exposed and (hopefully) dialed down?

  9. marcos toledo on January 25, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    Has Ray ever read The Invasion Of The Body Snatchers by Jack Finey As for icing most of humanity try the novel Tower Of Glass by Robert Silverberg The holodeck idea from STNG is expanded on in Swordart Online I am only familiar with anime series though there is a manga of that series It is interesting how pathetic our overlord’s dream of paradise is or how devious their plans for hell for the rest of us are.

  10. Tom on January 25, 2021 at 2:31 pm

    Yeah I’m going to buy a cabin in the middle of nowhere Idaho and never come back. Nice knowin’ y’all.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 1:02 am

      Have you seen the memes going round about Uncle Ted? People (I assume) are talking about how Ted Kazinski was right.

      • Billy Bob on January 26, 2021 at 9:58 am

        Ted’s life is a shining example of where a curious mind will get you.
        Previous eras would have seen him burned at the stake.
        Our era made him an example to those with similar ambitions to exit the back door of the sound stage we live in.

  11. zendogbreath on January 25, 2021 at 2:30 pm

    Too short on time to comment more. Thought it worth noting I ran across this from a commenter on Twitter this afternoon. Curious that this is from 2016. Is all our science published now just masked marketing?
    Unintended Consequences of Invoking the “Natural” in Breastfeeding Promotion
    Jessica Martucci and Anne Barnhill
    Pediatrics March 2016, peds.2015-4154; DOI:

  12. FiatLux on January 25, 2021 at 2:22 pm

    Humanity’s technology has surpassed its moral development to such a degree that I think a Tower of Babel or Atlantis moment is becoming inevitable. Sci-fi certainly saw this tech coming. I recall a Star Trek: TNG episode where Spock was captured by the Romulans, who then broadcast an image of him telling their enemies to stand down during a battle. I’m with PiPoe: people who don’t like where this is going will need to build their own mini breakaway civilizations, and I agree the new techno-nightmare civilization will exist, if it comes to pass, inside technologically walled-off smart cities.

    Solutions-wise, an example that keeps coming to my mind is the Amish. I don’t mean doing exactly what they do, but instead looking at them as one example of a successful, or at least enduring, breakaway society. Maybe there are some general principles to learn from them. In Brave New World (which I take as a rough guide to the future–seriously), there were people who lived outside the city walls, so maybe even Globaloney won’t try to get every single human corralled into smart cities.

    I grasp the dangers of this creepy tech, there might be one good side effect, assuming we don’t reach total epistemological breakdown: If more people start doubting what they see and hear in official broadcasts, maybe they’ll start to employ a little more skepticism and critical thinking.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 3:48 pm

      Loved your Amish example of a small breakaway civilization!
      Your analyses of questioning the reality they’re being spoon-fed
      would be another plus.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 1:01 am

      How much sci fi was predictive programming?

      Feeling more and more like Stalinism was the Rottenchildren’s version of Atlantis/Babylon imposed on the rest of humanity. Probably has the same motive too of dumbing down lest men become like us Gods.

  13. Richard on January 25, 2021 at 2:20 pm

    The holographic whale jump video that came out a few years back was quite the attraction when there were people assemblies allowed. It’s probably given those graphics skill set folks some incentive to expand on where the funding exists. Even elaborate and improve on the authenticity of projection. Of course, there’s the potential for nefarious uses, too, toward illusions that both depict safe distancing as well as deception by tweaking the programmable playback.

    There’s likely to be a third schism, if not already and possibly more, not the usually expected psychotic drift into two. There seem to be a growing many who refuse the good/evil, light/dark, or this way/that way of an increasingly redundant and edited past because another said so.

    One person said that this species seems a species with amnesia. More likely right than not. It’s an edited and missing past that haunts the present corporeal of which they know not – yet.

    A third or yet another with some characteristics of a recent lineage seems more reasonable than a tar pit of a paradigm of repeated dysfunction of a past semblance of a species chiseled in stone, misrepresented through symbols on parchment, or the daily download on improved data storage devices. Probably too hopeful for some but then tomorrow hasn’t arrived yet except in Sydney. Time still isn’t what it’s cracked up to be despite the coo-coo clock.

    One has already decided and neither of either currently imposed outcomes or much less those suggested by novella. Besides, if it’s in the image of certain fella and company in the article then it means to be a moron. . . . . Nicht ganz richtig im Kopf!

    • Wu Wu on January 25, 2021 at 6:19 pm

      nicht ganz recht, nicht ganz links.. Personally I am comfortable to live at nadir; let them enjoy their zenith whilst they can.

  14. Billy Bob on January 25, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    How about enjoying both worlds? You think conspiracy theory is off the charts now, how fun would it be to decipher CGI and reality?
    Think of those with nothing to do but stare at a screen? They need something to occupy their time and mind. Otherwise they could go crazy with creativity.

  15. DanaThomas on January 25, 2021 at 1:44 pm

    Maybe Bidenenko is already “online” with this….

    • RBG Santa Monica on January 25, 2021 at 5:31 pm

      I have suspected since Biden went into his basement during the campaign and only appeared in front of a green screen that they have dabbled with “Deep Fake” Bidens already. Since he is mostly incoherent anyways, he should be a pretty easy person to fake with A.I.

      • Levi G on January 25, 2021 at 8:33 pm

        This ^^^

      • Richard on January 27, 2021 at 1:35 am

        Disconcerting prospect, to say the least.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:49 am

      I have been figuring that’s the whole point of that addled candidate. The horrific things he was saying? And the ease with which they could have edited and covered for him? I would be more surprised at this point if that isn’t a clumsy (for now) Boston Dynamics bot walking with Dr Jill. I half expect to see him do a back flip and start dancing to “Do You Love Me”

      Is that the singularity Kurzweil is crowing about combined with project Bluebeam?

      • Wu Wu on January 26, 2021 at 9:34 pm

        Coming to a surroundsound stage near you, courtesy of Massive Dynamics & dr.Bell:
        “Joe Biden vs Max Headroom” , YouTube

  16. I'm not a robot on January 25, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    I believe robotic sex and companionship are where this may be going. I can envision the ads now, bring him back, better than before. 🙂

    • LadyBug on January 25, 2021 at 4:30 pm

      Have you seen the Netflix drama series called Better Than Us? It’s a Russian TV series dubbed in English and excellent because it covers so many issues surrounding conflicts between robots and humans.

      • I'm not a robot on January 28, 2021 at 5:02 pm

        No, I haven’t seen it, but I will be sure to search it out. Thanks for the suggestion.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:43 am

      Funny how these marketing tactics hit us at our most vulnerable times. I remember Westworld coming out when I was a kid and fantasizing what a great vacation that would be. Now I keep looking at our life and thinking how rough this gets from here on out. A couple years after my Dad died, I remember my Mom clarified it all with the complaint that she never thought he would die before her.

  17. OrigensChild on January 25, 2021 at 12:41 pm

    I know a bit of the history of Microsoft. As some would say, I was there when the corporation was a dream and watched them wreck company after company by illegal–and legal–means. Gates has powerful friends. So, I do not trust him.
    Let suppose you want to create a penal system for a specific type of prisoner from which you can always guarantee 100% conviction rates through confession? This is the perfect mechanism for doing it. When all forms of coercion fails you simply kill the person, turn over samples of this words and thoughts into an AI system, download his “confessions” into the box, then use that as the legal seal by which you justify the dispatch under merciful conditions. Are these people capable of such a monstrous idea? Absolutely. The public effect on the social fabric as a whole, plus the reciprocal shock value inflicted on the family, will not go unnoticed. In return they get to look “humane”.
    As for which group I would join, I will go back to books, coffee, conversation and health food when I can find it. I would rather be neighbors with the few of you here than in their marbled halls of pixelated tech. Boy, are these people ghastly.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 1:52 pm

      Those who have dared to go beyond the “live wire”
      know all too well the methods of so-called “justice”.
      Another tool in the devils bag of tricks
      for mere mortals to project pretended power.
      “They” are indeed ghastly!

      And happy, to be so inclined.
      Easily manipulated, as if “they” were genetically engineered
      to be so pliable, at sometime in their distant genealogical history?

    • LadyBug on January 25, 2021 at 4:32 pm

      I’m really wondering if they are human.

      • Levi G on January 25, 2021 at 8:36 pm

        They’re not human, they’re consciousness ?

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:34 am

      Spot on OC. #digitalgulags

  18. Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    First off/the frame:
    An alien frame > A military frame >
    In other words, a frame of Matryoshka puppet masters?
    … to the post.

    If this scenario is being carried out via a ordered structure;
    an infrastructure being erected around mankind/Earth,
    then this is one sick puppy[or puppet masters].
    What is being obfuscated is the spiritual being that is mankind.
    That can’t be leggo-ed; no matter “what” the technology!

    And who the hell would want to[find a good word Robert] satisfy themselves; w/a talking ones/zeros illusion, which id sine quo non-ly geared to bring you much closer to thinking digital?

    This is a near total avoidance of the spiritual in all parameters & permutations[their language]. No spontaneity! And, believe it or not; no creativity!
    The above two words[digital symbolism] is emblematic of their fascination w/inanimation; mirroring themselves. If “they” can’t live; nor shall you. “They” want to bring you into their world.
    Thus, “they” are re-engineering Earth for the inhuman. “They” are re-engineering your social environment to this digital re-animation. You are being enclosed in a digital environment. They want to inoculate the digital within you, and have your world swimming in their digital nightmare[at least for any living spirit, still fighting for the truly living].

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 12:41 pm

      PKD’s, Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep and/or the movies version, Blade Runner depict this world. In fact, PKD wrote many novels that examine “reality”. Only here, it is a reality, that is forcibly being shoehorned into the skulls in a magnitude that is literary; not not breathtaking, but beyond human comprehension of what evil can wrought.

      • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 1:24 pm

        As far as describing the spirit in this language?
        Usually, the people of the times; use metaphors like machine, then computer, then frequency, then whatever the times they live-in, use.
        For me, the spirit is unquantifyable[yes it is misspelled].
        One way to attempt; is w/in stories.
        The way, is when three or more people are gathered in …

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 1:06 pm

      That video was certainly speaks volumes; a truly whale of a tale.
      No doubt, the coming alien invasion will be spectacular, and in truly “digital living reality”[color me skeptical, beyond belief].

      This brings to mind another recent book I read, Auxiliary: London 2039 by Jon Richter May 3, 2020. The plot concerns an analogue Philip Marlow who pulls a case involving the murder/suicide of a teacher[education has been privatized[surprise!]. He is a rarity; but because he is human, he is able to think outside the digital box[known as reality in his time/2039]. Cut to the chase. [spoiler alert!] The killer is a 6th generation AI in battle w/a new generation AI; both trying to monopolize their version of reality upon society. Extremely lucrative in terms of power and money and ego. And, of course: All for your safety.

      Remind me of the riddle:
      It turns into a different story[of reality?]
      What am I?
      .esacriats larips A/mirror

      • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2021 at 11:33 pm

        A spiral staircase.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:29 am

      well said

  19. Danse on January 25, 2021 at 11:57 am

    So, distrust would be the next generation weapon of mass division against Humanity. And mass isolation.
    In this further step after the division between the avake and the asleep, we would no longer be able to TRUST our friends and family who are far away, so the tragedy is we would DOUBT the very LOVE they would express, we would not know if we can really share love with them.

    So, we would also no longer be able to unite internationally as we still can now. Distrust would prevent any world revolution against the parasites of Humanity… UNLESS the Human beings find back who they really are and make use of their original abilities again. The ability to connect wireless, among others.
    Already we see many twitter accounts being hacked and their contents replaced all of a sudden by system-complying propaganda. Also appear fake accounts created under the names of famous dissidents.

    Blurring the line between being alive and being dead would make it less sensible for People transitioning into robots, it’s clear.

    But I’m sure this technology is not « only » about eradicating Love in the hearts of Humanity. I think there is a spititual side in this Trojan horse and it is designed to lure Human beings into a trap that would prevent their SOULS from exiting the Matrix after death. The recycling would then take place in the « redefining what it means to be human » factories.

    • Danse on January 25, 2021 at 12:13 pm

      Please Joseph forgive me 2 errors : it should read “awake” and “spiritual”. I’m sure there are already enough errors of english in my posts I cannot see.

    • OrigensChild on January 25, 2021 at 1:04 pm

      My only concern is fabric of the spirit itself. If the soul is a wave form the best they can do is sample it digitally. In my mind it is not a discrete material attribute that can be reproduced digitally with significant loss of data quality and integrity. If they are even capable of doing this what they would get is only a recording by sample–not a discrete entity. The soul may have a material component–about that I am not sure. If the soul is a recording device the spirit is a wave form impressing a record on it.

      • OrigensChild on January 25, 2021 at 1:05 pm

        Oops. If the spirit is a wave form the best they can do is sample it.

      • Danse on January 25, 2021 at 2:55 pm

        ” If the soul is a recording device the spirit is a wave form impressing a record on it.”
        I think with technology they are able to cut whatever connection exists between Spirit and soul. Especially, if the people have been trapped into the materialistic thinking and led to believe in their own powerlessness.

        • OrigensChild on January 25, 2021 at 4:34 pm

          For that to work, would you need the body itself to be the source of the connection? I’m not sure how that would work if soul and spirit are non-local and are attached to the body by, for the lack of a better term, a wave-form. I subscribe to the non-local view. I have some definitely ideas about this, but I’ve said enough already. Either way, it is an interesting speculative trail.

          • Wu Wu on January 25, 2021 at 6:16 pm

            Perhaps they are attempting to entice mankind into an alternative space/time in the form of the 4-D 120-cell polytope( what Steiner erroneously refers to as the “8th” “sphere”, maybe?), that is a solely virtual cyberspace/time with no real 3-D analogue, and thus cuts one off,( permanently?) from any other realm or realms in n-D ?? This would make this “kyber”-spacetime almost as real as, say, the “Astral plane”, and yet a shadow world ( a new hell?), that those unfortunate souls could exist in, and play in, and believe they rule in, for eons .. Fun for some, dead end for the rest .

          • Danse on January 25, 2021 at 10:57 pm

            OrigensChild, I don’t know any details of the technology.
            Let us say that the soul is either inside or/and around us in this realm, while the Spirit is NOT located in this realm, it “can’t be leggo-ed; no matter “what” the technology” as Robert says above,
            To me, as Wu Wu puts it, “they are attempting to entice mankind into an alternative space/time”, or simply to entrap us FOREVER in this world becoming a machine world, “thus cuts one off,( permanently?) from any other realm”.

            So WE COULD NEVER DIE, in the meaning of : never be free to decide where we want to go to continue our life after “death” or say after leaving the body, which anyway only THEY would decide if we would be allowed to leave it or not. This means : cutting us off permanently from any other realm would CUT US OFF PERMANENTLY FROM OUR SPIRIT.
            They intend to transform us into SPIRITLESS beings.

            Transhumanism is EUGENICS

        • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:24 am

          They might be able to deceive us into believing they can cut that connection. In fact they cannot cut that connection since the entity with that capability necessarily would not do such a thing.

          • OrigensChild on January 26, 2021 at 8:11 am

            DANSE and ZDB: I suspect the connection for non-local for many reasons, but I can imagine both scenarios. If they can cut the spirit/soul connection, which may be done by initiating death while retaining full body function, there may be the possibility of three outcomes–leading to Danse’s imagining the fulfillment of the matrix. The body is put into a suspended mental state, the brain (which is a storage device) is programmed with new memories and an AI kicks in to model the person’s behavior in an alternate reality while the body remains comatose. Or, a walk-in enters into the body and assumes control. (This is the possession angle from various religious traditions.) Or, the body is reprogrammed into an emotion/impulse/response machine whose only mental skills are essential primal and rudimentary (aka a golem), and whose responses are shaped by an external AI manipulating said impulses in real-time. In any of the three states technology could kick in to render the entity into many levels of reality across the technological spectrum–placing the “machine” into any heaven or hell of their choosing. In this scenario information content in the field is the technological simulation of values–all of which are non-real in cosmic terms. In my opinion metaphysics shapes reality–though we clearly do not have the technology to model it. They can only simulate it by building a technological virtual system. When you jettison the spiritual in culture you can hijack the content of that world technologically and fill it with a set of whole new expectations. Now, we have arrived at not only Dr. Farrell’s epistemological problem, but we now are back to a technological implementation of Lucifer’s wager. The consequences, once again, are ghastly.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 1:12 pm

      Loved your, “avake and asleep”!

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:20 am

      Yep, the lockdown measures push that distrust issue further faster. It’s already an issue as to whether or not we can trust our messages to and from loved ones. On top of it now, it feels like most sense the coming gulags and are self censoring. As open as I have been here there and everywhere with everyone about every topic, I figure I am at the top of the #getintheboxcar list. Feels like everyone I deal with is watching me closely afraid I’m going to bring up topics that they must shut down or deny with prejudice lest they lose social credit score. Remember from October, 2001 on deciding who could and could not be trusted enough to so much as bring up the lies on 9/11/01?

      • FiatLux on January 26, 2021 at 2:40 am

        Remember how “If you see something, say something” got started back then? Feels like déjà-vu all over again…

        • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2021 at 11:55 am

          I get nearly everyday.
          For example, when i ride the bus.
          Like a scene out of the Great Escape w/Steve McQueen. It is on a bus that the Gestapo takes down some escapees.
          “Their” presence and social engineering[of snitches] are becoming endemic in the infrastructure of society at large.

          Snitches are now “baked into the cake”.
          While the counterpart cake, has a sawblade baked into it.

          • Robert Barricklow on January 26, 2021 at 11:58 am

            [the bus sound system blurts out every 5 minutes:
            “If you see something, say something”.]
            Conversely in commercial buildings,
            “Wear your mask; for your safety” – of course.

  20. Joseph Aiello on January 25, 2021 at 10:56 am

    How about someone never letting go of a deceased loved one?

    • Danse on January 25, 2021 at 12:02 pm

      The same : souls entrapped in the Matrix after death, you are right Joseph.
      Stories of Carl Wickland’s “Thirty years among the dead” come to mind.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:14 am

      I kinda like the old folk I knew over the years who were constantly running commentary to their spouse who passed years earlier. There’s a spooky point where it starts getting on your nerves though. It’s usually the point where it has clear adverse effects on their decision making. Just the idea of someone being able to manipulate your fantasized loved one’s replies trips my spooky point.

  21. PiPoe on January 25, 2021 at 9:03 am

    Oh yes, one more thing. I’ve made my decision too. My hope is that so many of us make that same decision that this ‘future society’, at most, becomes a minority ‘breakaway’ civilization.

    • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:11 am

      I’m concerned fro them in that ‘future society.’ That scifi scenario of “To Serve Man” comes to mind. I also am concerned for us since the folks with blind trust of the Borg seem weaponized against everyone who doubts the Borg – which is all the more ironic since that whole dogma of never doubting the Borg requires them to advocate questioning everything especially if Orangeman likes it.

  22. PiPoe on January 25, 2021 at 8:56 am

    Justa recently posted a video that was of a conversation between Clinton, Bush, and Obama – there was a ‘glitch’ toward the end where Obama ‘faded’ out and the background solely remained. Hypothesis going around is that Obama was a hologram.

    Other thought on this is that this ‘future society’ will exist inside the planned ‘smart’ cities.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 1:59 pm

      Recently I picked up a book on Smart Cities that looks into its dark side:
      The Smart Enough City: Putting Technology In Its Place To Reclaim Our Urban Future by Ben Green Feb 18, 2020.

      Loved your picking-up on that aspect/context of application!

      • PiPoe on January 25, 2021 at 7:49 pm

        That looks like a fascinating book. It would be good to hear your take on the matter with that context incorporated. In other words, to be continued I hope… 🙂

        • Robert Barricklow on January 25, 2021 at 8:44 pm

          An infrastructure that is symbolic of the self-driving car itself; which to me is a mobile prison, leaving the ultimate control of whose in the driver’s seat – to a warden called AI.
          It’s called technological determination; the technology determines your choice. In other words “the smart city” is a euphemism for an unaccountable, technocratic black box city.
          If you ask people who have lived in facsimiles of smart cities their startling remarks are, “Where are all the people!”.
          “Where did they go?”

          The city folks were dumbed-downed; and out of choices
          as the smart city came marching in; by technocratic lockstep.

          The smart City is thus founded on a false dichotomy[smart vs dumb] and blinds us to the broader possibilities of technology and social change.

          Thus, the title of the book; inserting “enough”, to put the human as the center of engineering focus; rather than the city itself, as being the technological wonder of efficiency.

          • zendogbreath on January 26, 2021 at 12:08 am

            Djya ever googlemap down on some of those 50 or so ghost cities that China built and never populated? Not sure why that comes to mind but both ideas horrify me in similar ways.

            Felt similar horror all 2020 not just because of the lockdown. I saw the most infrastructure repair and upgrade projects going on this year I have ever seen in 60 years of Chicago west suburbs. Our street is a snow route and usually running a car per minute all day. One project pulled and replaced all sewers in a 3 x 3 block area and took out our street for months. We all got used to one or two cars an hour. Felt like living on a culdesac like my childhood. Well the work is done and the street is clear and smooth and faster than ever. And the traffic has only come back to about 20% of what it was. Spooky quiet still. We all notice and like it and don’t.

            Feels like that’s the whole point that the AI or algo’s or HAL2000 is taking us to. Like we’re being ghosted.

    • Richard on January 25, 2021 at 2:19 pm

      It’s possible that it was a CGI green screen edit. . . There’s been amateurish editing taking place with the wide use of phone footage and photo shopped clips.

  23. anakephalaiosis on January 25, 2021 at 7:21 am

    Epistemological is “wit-ship-learn-like” – in Old English – rejecting Latin proxy strawman, pope Satan, in Star Trek Holodeck, where Jesuits play Mozart in outer space.

    Trumpy finds pot of gold in Plato’s Cave, and battles its guardian dragon, about rulership of brilliant mind.

    Successfully, limitless consciousness radiates, into all directions, when seventh seal is broken.


    While walking world corners,
    roundabout all hours,
    I made divide
    into tide,
    of sundial timekeeper.

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