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COMMUNICATING WITH LUCID DREAMERS

You might recall that yesterday I blogged about the latest transhumanist fantasies about the "Spatial web", and about my concerns that what was really being talked about was yet another dystopian ideology of the collective, in this case, a kind of transhumanist "Borg" collective. In a nutshell, my concern was that in the rush to get everyone "connected", we are creating a system that is supremely anti-human, where one's "interior conversation" is open to everyone else, and vice versa, such that there is no more conversation, but only an unending noise and babble, where no individual voices can be singled out and heard, a kind of Tower of Babble.

In that regard, many people spotted this story and shared it (thank you to all who did so), and it should - I think - be viewed in the context of yesterday's blog about "the Spatial Web":

Scientists establish freaky two-way communications with lucid dreamers

Notice what's going on here:

Each group set out to test its own techniques on how to "interview" people without waking them up, using the bizarre phenomenon of lucid dreaming as a doorway into the dream world. During regular dreams, we typically have no idea that we're dreaming, simply accepting the strange situations we're placed in without critical judgement. Lucid dreaming, a "notoriously rare phenomenon," is a state where the sleeper is aware that they're dreaming, and sometimes capable of steering their experience.

The researchers took one group of experienced lucid dreamers, another of regular folk that they had trained in the art of lucid dreaming, and one patient with narcolepsy who frequently drifted in and out of lucid dream states – and found they were able to have two-way exchanges with members of all three groups.

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Across 158 attempts to communicate with lucid dreamers across all teams, the researchers got correct responses 18.4% of the time, incorrect responses 3.2% of the time, inconclusive answers 17.7% of the time and no response 60.1% of the time.

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The research establishes that under certain circumstances, it's possible to send messages into somebody's dream, and for them to listen, calculate an answer and reply. Subjects were able to remember pre-sleep instructions on how to answer questions, and to correctly answer questions about their waking life like "do you speak Spanish?"

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Where to from here? The researchers say this "interactive dreaming" research should open up a whole bunch of new research avenues, including testing out the ability to steer the content of somebody's dream from the outside. This might include dreams "curated in accordance with an individual's objectives, such as to practice a musical or athletic skill," or therapeutic dreams to "lessen the impact of emotional trauma," with real-time feedback from the subject.

By parity of reasoning, if it is possible to "steer the content of somebody's dream from the outside," then put that into the context of what I blogged about yesterday in connection to the "Spatial Web," where everyone "hears" everyone else's interior conversations, including their dreams. Recall that what was being advocated yesterday was a kind of "Borg collective," with an endless noise and babble of such conversations, and an openness of "everyone" to "everyone" as a means to rid ourselves of pesky things like "egocentrism" in order to be more "world-centric," "equitable," "inclusive" and "holistic,"  as if such things were the new cardinal virtues replacing prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance.  Indeed, to refer to things like prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance is now viewed by many people advocating such things as "ethnocentrism."

But consider something else, by way of a little high octane speculation. The article at the center of yesterday's blog was arguing that, by hooking everyone up to such a network, a new kind of "digital consensus" could be built and checked against reality. What remained unexplained was how a new consensus could be checked against any sort of "reality." But when one considers adding dreams to the mix, then that "new consensus" might end up being nothing but a state of sonambulism, of an "inclusive" collective of sleep-walking hypno-zombies living out some sort of shared fantasy at the beck and call of whoever manages to end up "running" such a dystopian system.

It will indeed manage to be "world-centric," "equitable," "inclusive," and "holistic".

And it will be inhuman and anti-human.

But it will have little of prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance, because those virtues depend on human selves exercising and practicing them.

See you on the flip side...

 

52 thoughts on “COMMUNICATING WITH LUCID DREAMERS”

  1. Carlos Castaneda discusses “dreaming” at great length in his works.
    He describes dreaming as a critical and fundamental aspect of sorcery; he says that control of one’s dreams can be acquired through determined practice, and that lucid dreaming gives the practitioner the advantages of being able to use our sleep time productively, and being able to operate without the restrictions of the physical body.
    I highly recommend Castaneda’s works; I also would recommend starting with his third book, Journey to Ixtlan, because it is of practical value to everyone and stays away from the details of ancient and outdated practices that his first two books are full of. Journey to Ixtlan offers practical advice on how to live our daily lives and is an excellent starting point.
    His later work, “The Art of Dreaming” is extremely detailed and even frightening in its implications.. I would save that for later. Good luck!

  2. Given the analogical nature of dream states and the power of semiotics I wonder if these psychic warriors are implanting metaphoric binds (spells) into the subconscious.

    After all it was Pepe the Frog that got Trump into office, odd that no one came up with an alternative metaphor…..

  3. It seems like it’s all a means of enforcing a consensus trance through an internet of bodies on the distributed ledger. I can’t see how introverts and unapproved outside the box thinkers wouldn’t be quickly annihilated.

    1. You said, “I can’t see how introverts and unapproved outside the box thinkers wouldn’t be quickly annihilated.”

      Now I have no death-wish–nor do I want to see the possibility of a genocide in a progressive American style. Perhaps for past sins our nation is due. Still, there is something to be said about death being a release if this tyranny befalls us. Sometimes the genuine horror is not in dying to this life. Sometimes the real horror is living in living death in this life. If these people have their way, they would rather we cry for death as death flees from our pain and sorrow. One sometimes wonders if Lucifer is green with envy for the level of psychopathy lying latent within these peoples’ hearts.

  4. The Lathe Of Heaven or The Cabinet Of Dr. Calgarie this technology would be a control freak wet dream. Full-spectrum slavery to the point where you don’t know or you can’t trust that any thought you have is really yours anymore let’s throw in Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep better known under the movie title Blade Runner.

  5. This is truly evil – an attempt to interfere with our subconscious which is a profoundly important aspect of our spiritual and psychological well-being. The realm of dreams is where we reckon with our conscious behaviour and is the portal to the evolution of our souls. You manipulate the subconscious mind, you can literally drive someone to suicide. Just look at Jungian analysis if you want to understand the importance of dreams. This interference by corporate psychopaths is yet another attempt to do more violence to the psychic and spiritual integrity of our being and create humans without boundaries who are therefore no longer in any real sense, human. An unbounded person does not belong to him or herself but is but an extension of that which is controlling and manipulating he or she. Its attempting to create a race of totally subjugated, enslaved beings whose every waking and sleeping thought is up for grabs.

  6. Scary to consider the invasion of our dreams while our physical bodies sleep. But all the while we’re wondering, “Huh? Could they do that?” they have been busy invading our “dreams” while we are “awake.” Entertainment, news, social media, and other entrainment. This last year, a hive mind has coalesced around a manufactured fear. The malevolent dream factory has recruited susceptible subjects to shame and bully others into unnecessary conformity.

    +1 to commenters suggesting that waking up is a 24 hour a day challenge.

    Is there an objective negative force, which is also inter-dimensional? Does it have an agenda to control us? My spiritual teacher, John-Roger, now deceased, answers this (10 min).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amixNe6py7U&t=41s

    Be well.

  7. There is one lucid dream I had in the mid 1980’s that is stuck in my consciousness. It was me flying over my home town and was concerned about falling out of the sky while cruising around. I realized I was dreaming so relaxed and continued on the journey. I did not ingest any chemicals or alcohol. I’m sure I’ve had a few since but do not remember those and do not maintain a dream journal.

    1. Only if your interested but if you keep a dream journal you may recall more of your dreams and have more lucid dreams as well. The thing about dreams is remembering them, that is the hardest part and why most people think that they do not dream. Or at least in my opinion. Maybe most people don’t dream but I kind of doubt that.

  8. When I read into subjects like this; I’m thinking, When did they really start this? How far along are they? Why are they telling “us” now?
    Does interactive dreaming, means “they” produce our dreams? Enter our dreams? Control the narrative?

    Interesting, in that the biological/psychological reasons for dreams are unknown. Oh, “they” might say that know those “facts” and are doing “good”. But their track record has bodies strewn all across the track.

    So “they” want to not only control your reality of your days on Earth; “they” also want to steal away your dreams.
    So that absolutely nothing between your skull is yours any more?
    Absolute control?
    Would you even realize it?

    Do Zombies dream of being human?

  9. When I was in my early teens I had a step father who was a control freak with a sadistic streak. I was confined to my room for months at a time for petty reasons. I would stock up with lots of books because of this and spend my time reading the time away. When being locked up didn’t seem to bother me too much anymore I was banned from reading anything but the Bible and my door was taken off it’s hinges so my step dad could peek around in surprise to try and catch me at it. If I was caught reading I got knocked around pretty bad. After reading the entire Bible I was only allowed to stare at the walls and ceiling. I would be restricted this way for the entire summer vacation from school sometimes. I got really good at lucid dreaming and lived a thousand lives. Time ran differently in my lucid dreams and some would get so good that they were almost realer than reality. I created and lived in science fiction type universes and in alternative and fantasy type universes. I learned many things from many teachers in these worlds that I created or touched upon. I can’t do this anymore but every once in a while I do have lucid dreams that are more real than reality with sharper colors, tastes, emotions and touch. Parts of my strongly willed fixes to my past perceived problems on this world are being implemented by the Globalists and I sometimes wonder if I didn’t influence them.

      1. Everything happens for a reason. I became a very unique person with very unique perspectives because of this experience. I feel not having the normal distractions of everyday childhood life during this period gave me the time and opertunity to develope spiritually like a hermetic monk living away from others alone in a cave spending his life meditating without distractions. My room was my cave and solitude. Denied any external stimuli for such prolonged periods of time I had no choice but to explore inward rather than go mad. Would not have experienced or learned what I did any other way.

        1. So true, Roger!! Each of us has come through a different set of “experiences”…..which, in turn, makes us into the person that we are today!!!

          At age 76 I have come to the conclusion each of us has Guides who are seeing us through our life experiences…..kind of like we are Players in Somebody Else’s Big Video Game!!

          The Big Surprise is that each of us is actually an Eternal, Sovereign Being…..but how many of us come to that realization??? I have found the discourses of Sacha Stone very refreshing in this time period of so many different voices coming at us from many different sources.

          It is helpful if one can set aside any Belief Systems one had adhered to & explore the reality of “I AM”!!!! Jesus tried to tell us that, didn’t he?!!

    1. you where lucky enough to be able see the in and out workings of his life for some period of time, what where you able to gather from his suffering?
      my brother was my guard and not in a way a sister would want a brothers protection.

      1. My step dad’s dad was a Nazi that immigrated to the US after the war. According to my step dad’s sister their father was very strict and sadistic as well and treated them similarly. My step dad was dyslectic and could barely read himself and was had a very jealous personality type. I get the impression his father was not very happy with him because he had a disability. They were deffinately Germans raised with a superiority complex and obsessed with perfection. I suspect my step dad felt like he was a disappointment to his dad because of his reading disability. His sister and him were spoiled by their mom but jealous and competitive for her attention. I suspect my step dad just wanted my mom to himself. I left when I was fourteen to go live with my real dad. He ran my sister off when she was sixteen and she moved in with her boyfriend. He took his frustrations out on her after I left. The experience made us both better and unique people in the end.

  10. “It will indeed “to be “world-centric,” “equitable,” “inclusive,” and “holistic”.
    = a PASSIVE state. Like an object.

    “But it will have little of prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance, because those virtues depend on human selves exercising and practicing them.”
    = they depend on an ACTIVE state, on being a subject with his own will.

  11. They have been working on a new digital consensus ever since the web began. Especially a new age spiritual consensus. Social experimenters have put out different spiritual beliefs and practices from many different religions to see which ones would be adopted by the most people. They would add some crazy elements here and there and see how strong the logic and evidence for such needed to be for the majority to buy into it. There is a lot of real hard won over the centuries spiritual knowledge mixed in but whether those doing the experiments knew they were awakening many on some level or just threw it in there because it was popular in the past with many circles and thus might be more easily bought by seekers today. They have also ran a lot of new reality consensus experiments with science, medicine, and all aspects of knowledge and learning. The web is one big collective mental manipulation and experimentation platform. In the early years they allowed a free flow of ideas to gather data and come up with a plan. Now they have decided on what they want to engineer society to be based on all these experiments and the free flow of ideas is being slowly reigned in and directed towards these goals.

    1. Some of this New Age implanted nonsense has really taken root in lots of the most popular online personalities dealing with this stuff and unfortunately many are being led astray and limited by them as a result. I suspect those doing this are victims of these early experiments and truly believe what they preach however.

  12. All this talk about lucid dreams and “corrective and therapeutic uses”, the spatial web as a total immersive experience and trans-humanism as the goal of transformation leads to a digital, artificial religion under construction. It’s all there. There are the beginnings of a metaphysics. There is an emergence of an incomplete epistemology. There is the casting of soteriology. There is an emerging hermeneutic. There is fine-tuning of the concepts of an original sin, a salvific plan and their requisite anthropology and eschatology. This is a system where God is not given any presence. It is the total fulfillment of Lucifer’s wager at the first fall–even with its own variation of “inspiration” from the divine collective to the individual instance. It looks as if many Christian themes are being stripped of their Divine character and reconstituted in human matrix of digital and artificial replacements. It has an evangelic track with a conversion schedule. It has an ecclesiastical component on the horizon. It has an artificial temple construct hovering in the background. This whole scheme has a very “religious” feel to it without any obligation or inclination to calling itself by its real identity. It is the ultimate expression of a post-modernist pseudo-religious anthropological homogenous gender nullified cacophony of technological change. Why do I cast this into the category of religion? Because to gain entry into the benefits of this community one must ultimately follow the same prescription as every other religious system practiced by humans: the surrender of one’s will to an approved ecclesiastical authority and the system it has constructed. This time, the ecclesiastical authority is most certainly demonic. This construction is not just the semblance of utopian dreams–but a manifestation of a ghastly dystopian nightmare. One can only end this conversation with the following observation: “what kind of man-made Hell is this? Why would anyone go there? Why would anyone want to surrender oneself to it?”

    A simple rebuttal to the whole scheme I offer as a simple proposal: what if the individual is important. What if the surrender of one’s will diminishes the quality and personality of the whole creation. What if this aberration of human construction is the cancer that consumes all. Materialism is not what defines any living organism. Materialism is what contextualizes our existence in space-time. We are not just an I but a we–and we are all connected as I’s into one fragile, spiritual community of related I-we’s. As difficult as a community of I-we’s can be, it is the presence of an I-we construct that makes all relationships possible.
    There can be no relationships except within the I-we framework the Creator provided. And, as controversial as this sounds, human beings are not the only ones who possess this–for all living organisms have such a construct commensurate to their kind. The I-we construct within humanity is a consequence of being created in the Creator’s Image. Any person who surrenders their personhood to the unified hive mind appropriates within themselves the I-we construct of an entity is not human–but inhuman, anti-human and human-less. This approximates the creation of the human equivalent to the demonic realm. When the I-we construct we are given is consumed by the nameless One we become the latest incarnation of the Legion–and look what they did to the Gadarene! Who will deliver those enslaved by this Legion then? What if what is surrendered cannot be returned? I don’t know about you, but I am not interested in a technological solution to the Orthodox concept of Chrismation. All Christian traditions has a variation thereof, but no matter what form it takes, I would prefer the real thing. From my faith tradition what I cannot do in this life by my own limitations will now be possible in that moment of transformation–for at that moment I will see things as the Creator sees them, and will be empowered to complete them in their fullness.

    1. The Devil greatest trick was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
      W/these kinds of technologies coming into the light of day,
      the devil’s not only still in the details;
      but now he’s in bold face print, and italicized.
      His disciples? Just as easily spotted.

      Now, all those Eyes Wide Shut;
      are opening;
      seeing what the light is exposing!

      No wonder they’re rushing;
      making keystone cop mistakes.
      Instead of the expected Great Re-Set;
      the world is will have a Great Unraveling
      of hidden truths & what’s really behind those ruling masks.

    2. “From my faith tradition what I cannot do in this life by my own limitations will now be possible in that moment of transformation–for at that moment I will see things as the Creator sees them, and will be empowered to complete them in their fullness.”

      Yep, in a moment unexpected, a miracle of perfection will occur, manifesting from many years of faithful commitment to purify and learn from the Creator of all things, Love. May not be under preferred circumstances, but the joy will be greater, Amen.

      Then the hateful, indifferent sociopaths will have their wrath against Life turned against themselves unto their necessary undoing…perhaps to be born again another time resolving to learn to be a basic human being instead, we can only pray.

    3. OC – I’ve noticed the same pseudo-religious or cultish overtones to transhumanism (and, incidentally, to the “woke” movement). I don’t know whether TPTB today are smart enough to realize–as the Jacobins and the Nazis did–that they can’t eradicate religion without replacing it with something. Regardless, the transhumanist utopia is the tech elite’s replacement for religion. As always, the concocted replacement for religion is a hollow, contrived, unsatisfying substitute. Kind of like toxic, flavorless GMO crops grown in depleted soil versus real food. It’s hardly surprising the same twisted minds are behind both transhumanism and Frankenfood!

  13. Well, I have experienced lucid dreaming for as long as I can remember and I can tell you that dreams are specific to an individual’s life (collective lives even), experience and spiritual growth path. But, all thoughts and dreams connect in the “Dream Weave” as the Native Americans call it – Jung “The Collective Unconscious” . It appears they are trying to find multiple entry points to the “Dream Weave”. I can’t be hypnotized, (Thank G*d). It is difficult enough to sort out and work with my own dreams. It would be pure HELL to have to sort out the waking thoughts and dreaming images/symbols of others all at the same time – even one other individual. This is somewhere no sane person would want to go. And, what about insane individuals – prepared to sort out their thoughts and images too within this “Dystopian Weave”?

    1. Similar experience here KSW. About 10 years ago I read a few books on it. I think we talked about it here a few times. Really missing Goshawks about now. All the same after reading on it, it occurred from other experience that to be able to do a thing is different and valuable in a different way than being able to transmit that skill to someone else. My wife got to the point where she did it too. Couple folk at work picked it up too. Feels and felt like this is not a transmitted skill. Rather it’s just reminding someone of an idea they had so far back they stopped considering it.

      It’s invaluable. The best idea I gleaned from a book sometime back is to think of a question before sleep and phrase it simply. Then repeat the question in thought steadily and all the way through dozing off.

      Similar experience with hypnotism too. Given what I’ve seen repeatedly, seems that there is a level of trust needed by the hypnotee in the hypnotist that I’m just not gonna be cool with. Why would I?

      Like we’re talking about on all these other topics (expecially the disaster capitalist alarmist martial law transhumanist communitarians) I don’t need to consider the ideas and pretexts much. All I need do is consider the how of the presentation – if this idea you are presenting is such a good idea, then why does it involve so much coercion, censorship, dishonesty, rationalization, paradoxical contradictions, villification,…….?

      Had a boss who’s parents sorted it out for him. If you need to ask permission, then you already know the answer.

  14. According to Caractacus, there is only MAN, because “humanus” is the insectan sectarian of the Latin Borg hive, the slave empire.

    One’s enslavement is reflected, in the words one uses, to describe oneself. When born in captivity, one’s uses the words of one’s slave master.

    Old English suffixes are a liberating constellation of ideas, that together form a treasure map, a topological metaphor in Sherwood.

    Such a template is called allegory, in patristic exegesis.

    TOPOLOGICAL METAPHOR IN OLD ENGLISH 2

    HOD/HOOD
    Forest is cover against mean,
    behind safety of unseen,
    easily bewildered
    yet sheltered,
    hidden by leaves green.

    Robin is fugol free in woodland.
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ccsirsai003ocg3/featherless-chicken.jpg

    1. Anakephalaiosis, I have noticed that, at least to me, you are restating a certain message in different ways. And, that would lend one to think that this is a message you feel very important for us to grasp. While I think I’m beginning to grasp what you are trying to tell us, it is still too fuzzy in my mind for me to do so. Can you help me decipher this message?

  15. Probably not “wokey bunk” but something to be concerned about.

    More than once in our marriage (like about 10 times), my husband has been reading a book downstairs when he didn’t even know I was taking a nap upstairs. I would come downstairs later to tell him about my “really weird dream” often complete with dialog and it was always directly out of his book – which most of the time I had NEVER read.

    We laughed about it, especially when he was reading SM Sterling’s book that was essentially modern folks are thrown back in time to Messopotami – I described wide eyed the step pyramids, the people in the dirigible, and the guy coming out of the basket saying to the “natives” bowing before them “do not bow before us” We are men like yourselves, not gods.”

    I couldn’t imagine where such things had come from – er.. it is right in the book including those very lines – not only had I not read the books at that point, I didn’t know he was reading them either.

    I also did this with “Farnham’s Freehold” complete with “Huge, my name is Huge,” (I may have read it as a child, but again I had no idea he was reading it and had no memory of the story either).

    After about the fifth time we figured this was “some sort of telepathy” at least between husband and wife (while I was dreaming) and we agreed this would be a great thing 40,000 years ago if hubby could “dream” home to wifie “we have killed the mammoths by the big red rock, please bring the women and the tools!”

    Co-dreaming is also something a lot of psychic practice groups do for practice but not always with great results.

  16. Woke-y bunk. Once again Quack-tology has been over funded. Won’t they be surprised with their imagined contacts when those experimenters and experiencers merge for their grand finale. To think, they no doubt believe they’re safe playing mind games when they haven’t solved cognitive societal woes that reduce a thriving mind and Being into gibberish, much less interpreted them properly when differing sensory levels adjust the persons perceptions of their environment. Dream on. Or perhaps use a mental shoehorn for normality.

    Not all are interested in an unwelcomed intrusion or deliberate dream-call that forces some sort of perverse controlling-mind-sync – which can be broken nearly simultaneously when an intrusion of an intruder is sensed, the upside of that mal-arrangement. Oh my, Maxwell’s silver hammer/HAMR meets the perversion of a three-letter agency silver spoon initiate. There’s, no doubt, likely to be a movie soon.

  17. We are in an age of disclosure after the long “slumber” of Cartesian materialism. In past centuries, in all cultures, they realised that dream reality can not only witness past or future events but through a variety of mechanisms actually impact on “3D” reality. The article recalls the “psi research” material largely covered by Ostrander and Schroeder as long as 50 years ago. Even now, officialdom (academia, government, corporations) are still trying to fit amazing human potentials into their control meme, but they are doomed to fail since interest in such potentials has expanded exponentially into the culture.

    1. Ultimately, it will fail; however, I am very concerned for all of the people that do get hooked up to the hive. I have a feeling that many of them will go insane.
      My mind keeps turning to the plethora of zombie apocalypse films and computer games that have come out over the last few decades (beginning in the 1980’s it seems). I recall one scene (the name of the film escapes me) where there are is a small group who are not zombified navigating a city filled with zombies. In this scene, the zombies are all standing motionless, like a computer in sleep mode, at rest yet ready for the next command. The non-zombified group had to be very careful when walking among them so as not to bump and ‘wake’ them (wake one and they all wake). There were times of course (boring movie otherwise) when a zombie would be bumped and then all the zombies would wake and would go after the non-zombies with the intent of killing and mutilating them.
      A hive consisting of insane people can be ‘prompted’ to act. This is becoming more concerning to me as the vilification of those who resist the ‘official narrative and agenda’ intensifies.

      1. Well, even before those movies Gurdjieff was restating an ancient truth by saying that so many people pass their lives in various degrees of sleep, and the only antidote is working on oneself as close to 24/7 as humanly possible.

      2. I’ve felt like I’ve been walking around in a world full of hive-minded zombies for many years now… More recently, as I’ve seen people running around with muzzles on, that feeling has morphed into the creepy sensation that I’m surrounded by walking mummies!

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