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ECUMENISM? OR THE ECUMANIACALISM OF INSINCERE AGREEMENT?

Today's blog is a departure from normal in that it's about two articles shared by two different people.  That's a departure in and of itself from my normal routine here, but there's more of a reason that I'm doing so. The two people who shared the respective articles - N.S. and K.M. - I know do not know each other nor even live in the same area. While the articles seem, on the surface, to be about different things entirely, they are about the same thing, as we shall see. Moreover, oddly, they arrived in my inbox within minutes of each other.  "Something was in the aether," and that's why I decided to blog about these two articles, because they're symbolic of an effort to make betrayal seem O.K., and the articles, arriving how and when they did, seem to be screaming out "we belong together."   Here's the first story, shared by N.S.:

Pope's Visit to Iraqi Ziggurat to Bring Together Several Faiths - and Hopefully Lure More Visitors

When I first saw the headline of this article, with a picture of the ziggurat at Ur in Iraq, I was not amused. I must confess, the idea of any bishop, much less the bishop of Rome, standing at, or atop, an ancient ziggurat leading one of those awful "something for everyone" ecumenical "prayerfests" is disconcerting to say the least. It's one of those cases of "scrambling the symbols" that is so much a hallmark of the age, as every institution seems to be in some sort of mad rush to abandon its traditions. One wonders if the "prayerfest" will include prayers to or invocations of Merodach (Marduk)? One wonders what self-respecting rabbi or imam will make the climb up the ziggurat? I suspect that if any do, they "won't be from the area," but from the West where "Supreme Being-ism" and "God-in-General-ism" has become such a cacophony of metaphysical mishmash devoid of any connection to any tradition. And... it's not the first time that a post-Vatican II pope has participated in these "interfaith prayerfests"; John-Paul II did, Benedict XVI did. The only one who didn't (as far as I'm aware) was John-Paul I, who was too busy during his short pontificate trying to "clean out the swamp" that he didn't have the time... and we know what happened to him.

Ahhh... but one needn't be so exercised. According to the article - which let it be noted is from The US News and World Report - the real explanation is a typically shallow American one; the Pope is simply there to promote tourism:

Pope Francis is due to hold an inter-religious prayer service at the ancient Mesopotamian site of Ur when he visits Iraq next week - an event local archeologists hope will draw renewed attention to the place revered as the birthplace of Abraham.

Popular with Western visitors in the 1970s and 1980s, Ur is scarcely visited today after decades of war and political instability shattered Iraq's international tourism industry. The coronavirus crisis now also keeps local tourists away.

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The father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Abraham is described in the biblical book of Genesis as living in the city before God called upon him to create a new nation in a land he later learned was Canaan.

All of which brings me to the second article, shared by K.M.:

Vatican Papal Academy Sells Out the Virgin Mary for Muhammad

Here the explanation for the "scrambling of symbols" represented by the Pope's pending visit is about much more than promoting tourism; it's about scrambling the fundamental tenets of the "Abrahamic religions":

The same folks to bring you "Abrahamism"—the idea that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are intricately connected—have narrowed their sights on promoting Mary, the mother of Christ, as "a Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman," in the words of Catholic priest Fr. Gian Matteo of the Pontifical International Marian Academy.  In a ten-week webinar series titled "Mary, a model for faith and life for Christianity and Islam," the academy will seek to present Mary as a bridge between the two religions.

This is easier said than done — at least for those still interested in facts.  For starters, the claim that Mary was a "Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman" is only two-thirds true: yes, she was a Jew by race and background, and yes, she was a Christian in that she literally birthed Christ(ianity), but she was most certainly not a Muslim — a term and religion that came into being 600 years after Mary died.

Worse, far from being the Eternal Virgin, as she is for 1.5 billion Christians of the Catholic and Orthodox variety, Islam presents Mary, the Mother of Christ, as "married" to and "copulating" with Muhammad in paradise — a depiction that would seem to sever rather than build "bridges."

For Christians "of the Catholic and Orthodox variety," Mary is "the Eternal Virgin" precisely as a consequence of their faith that she bore God the Son in his human nature, and thus, was the literal "Ark of God" whom not even her betrothed, St. Joseph, would touch in any carnal way, having before him all those Old Testament examples of what happened to people who touched the Old Testament ark. Islam, as the article goes on to point out, does not. That said, one wonders what any of them have in common with the religion of Ur, other than Abraham.

It's that, I suspect, that is the root of the problem that's coming home to roost. There is a movement afoot - a quiet one almost entirely off the radar - to create an amalgamation of those religions, a movement documented by Jeff Sharlet in two books titled C Street and The Family, where an effort to create "Chrislam" - a strange amalgam of American fundamentalist Christianity and Islam - is surveyed. What the second article suggests is that this movement is not just a strange one-off conjured in the Lying Circus in Swampington D.C., but that similar thinking and agendas are underway in Rome. And for those in the know, that effort is but an extension of the technique outlined in the 1960s and 197os ecumenical movement document called The Consultation on Church Union, where the technique was simply to expropriate the ecclesiastical traditions of each other: make the Anglicans look more Roman Catholic, the Roman Catholics look more Zwinglian and Lutheran, make the Lutherans use Eastern Orthodox litanies, and so on, the goal  being to make everyone look the same so that the subliminal suggestion is that they are the same, reducing doctrinal - which is to say, conceptual - disputes to mere words.  It's the ecclesiastical version of what we see in the current politically correct "woke" culture when it talks about "cultural appropriation", which is "bad" in culture, but "ok" when it comes to religions. It's a way of putting everyone "on the square," and pretending that all that matters is "Supreme Being-ism" and that those differences and symbols and traditions are neither important nor real. It's the false brotherhood of process itself, not shared cosmologies and philosophies.

Or to put that last point country simple, expect more of it, because the process has no end because it's the process itself that empowers them.  They are trying to unmake all histories and traditions, and with it, all history.

See you on the flip side...

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  1. In other news, Elijah and the priests of Baal are due to hold an inter-religious prayer service at the ancient Canaanite site of Mount Carmel when they visit Israel next week. It is hoped that this meeting will help to bring the two faiths closer together. “After all,” said a Baalist spokesperson, “We all worship the same god, don’t we?” (For breaking news updates on this story, see I Kings 18.)

  2. About 20 years ago I was a vendor selling at a rock & gem show that lasted 4 days. The man selling next me me had come from Syria. Once a day he would ask one of us close vendors if we would watch his crystals while he went off to pray. A few of the people around me did not appreciate his religious beliefs. TPTB are pushing racism, transgender, pronouns, history, science, health… Religion will be the next “hate speech” crime.

  3. while reading these posts and reading other sources, I learned a new word I like:

    LIVITY
    from wikipedia
    “Livity … is the realization that an energy or life-force, conferred by Almighty Jah (God), exists within, and flows through, all people and all living things. This energy is the presence of Jah living within us, and is often expressed in Rastafari vocabulary as “I and I”, where the first “I” refers to the Almighty, the second “I” for oneself. A primary goal in Rastafari meditation is maintaining awareness of I and I.
    A primary goal in a Rasta’s life is to expand their Livity. This expression of love for others is done in recognition of a central love energy within all people, a concept often referred to as “One Love”.

    1. Not a big fan of either government or religion
      both seem to be primarily preoccupied with telling us what we can and can’t do
      we claim to be “reasonable” and “rational” beings, and yet somehow we allow ourselves to be steered through terror and massive helpings of steaming bullshit

    2. “For indeed, what is more dire than the evils which today afflict the world? What is more terrible for the discerning than the unfolding events? What is more pitiable and frightening for those who endure them? To see a barbarous people of the desert overrunning another’s lands as though they were their own; to see civilization itself being ravaged by wild and untamed beasts whose form alone is human.” St. Maximos the Confessor

      Dear Dr. Farrell,

      I have now begun reading Volume 4 of God, History and Dialectic. Now. Just at the very beginning of The Apparatus–there he is–Kireyevsky who according to Fr. Seraphim Rose “went through Western wisdom, rejected it, found Orthodoxy, and then came back, not to be Orthodox as against the world without understanding, but he found in Orthodoxy the key to understand the history of the West and what is happening in the West.” Also I purchased some time ago your translation from Greek of St. Photios-The Mystogogy of the Holy Spirit -in which you set forth “a readable and concise statement of the underlying issues implied by the filioque doctrine.” I am honored to write a comment to you–now and then. Eternally Grateful for your presence through your books in my life–

      Space Fence

      Lately my preoccupation is with the Saeculum-another Augustinian idea from The City of God–which was considered by him a “neutral space in which there was no necessary presence of God
      or His Kingdom. It was not a profane world or against God rather it was a part of the world that had with not been touched by God or more precisely-the work and life of His Church.” (Quote:John Strickland from the podcast Paradise and Utopia).

      Petrarch desired to leave behind the pessimistic Augustinian Christianity of his time. So in the saeculum humanism was “born”. The West formally becomes a dualistic space (the belief in the separation -the City of Man of this world from the energeia of Paradise-the City of God). This belief in the space fence nurtured “new” roads (energy events) and preceded our current worldspace in which just a few now hold, shape, manipulate and deform the seeming neutrality of our free will through technocracy. Once the Sacred and the Secular was “believed” to be divided the transformation (s) of this belief with its underlying fallacies beginning with “here and not here” initiated internal mental and *neural “natural” canonical isomorphisms-infinite transformations–which in time-space form “fences” or “sets”. Humanity replaced by (humanism). Individuals replaced by (individualism). Persons replaced by (personalities). In Saeculum the world of the west and its people were to be “set free” from the stifling prison of the personal energies of Paradise–until the world becomes a new Utopia. Of course it will be bloody. And humans will be a mere cog in the war against Paradise. Tossed as flotsam and jetsam in last centuries’ sea of bloody progress, the many will vanish so today the few may live forever in a *ayuhuascan hyperbolic cube.

      In a hurry to get Nowhere.

      The human person is not an object. Of course some other humans believe so and treat us so and they may deny the uniqueness of our existence in time and space. They may inoculate us from pursuing the Truth through the tessellation of perpetual lies. They may even permeate us with belief sets in reincarnation which cancels our place here, now in creation and history.

      In his book The Experience of God-Orthodox Dogmatic Theology Volume 6 page 32, Fr. Dumitru Staniloae writes: “The absence of a distinction between relative and absolute implies the absence of a distinction between movement and stability in the infinite One: there is an eternal movement that leads nowhere. Movement loses its great value as advancement toward absolute good. The distinction between good and evil also becomes relative. For movement is both a product of the Fall and the means of rising again to a place from where one falls another time, for in it one does not find perfection, pleroma. This world has value only if it is unique.”

      1. “Petrarch desired to leave behind the pessimistic Augustinian Christianity of his time.”
        It’s a pity that Petrarch knew no Greek, because he could have found an alternative to pessimism in the writings of St John Chrysostom, St Basil the Great and St Gregory the Theologian. He could also have learned from them a more fruitful understanding of the relations between Church and State.

  4. Loxie Lou Davie

    As the daughter of a Baptist minister I have a unique take on all this having come through 76 years of my own experiences!!

    How about we consider that each of us is an Eternal, SOVEREIGN Being who chose to enter this time & space for specific reasons?!

    OR…..how about considering that maybe we are just Players in Somebody Else’s Big Video Game?! We all have experienced what we could consider “supernatural” happenings in our lives. I would contend that NONE of us understand what True Reality IS!!

    We live within such a tiny piece of the electromagnetic spectrum; very few of us have any conception of what lies outside what we experience as human beings. As Bruno Giordano expressed it…….there is no need for a “revelation” because not one of us can speak for The Cosmos!! (paraphrasing, of course!)

    For a fresh perspective on things, check out Sacha Stone!! Whatever Belief System one hold to….it is just that…..a Belief System!! All I really need to know is that I AM!! 😉

    1. Or all those could be true all at once.
      As a sage once said: I’m over here now. You’re over there.

    2. Awomen to that.
      Check out Castaneda for a vivid description of our existence as energy beings in a wide spectrum of energetic awareness – he says the same thing.
      There is a band of awareness that is available to us all the time,
      there is one that is available to us if we are able to venture into it
      then there is the rest, outside of human awareness, that we can’t organize into a coherent world because we simply don’t have the necessary tools.
      I recommend Journey to Ixtlan as a starting point – Castaneda’s first two books are incomprehensible for most people because. Just because.

  5. This thing, (throw all religions to the blender) has been going on since the 70’s..
    the desired result is kind of obvious: all priests of the world unite-under the Pope

    As for the Mary thing.. The Jews in the Talmud don’t speak very highly of Mary also..

    As for if she was a Jew. Since Mr Farrell is of the Orthodox variety can he say why she is called Παναγία,
    why she is very connected with Mount Athos, and if it was normal for young girls to serve in the Jewish temple?

  6. johnycomelately

    Merovingians, Marranos, Guelphs, Masons….
    Not the first time Rome was a consort to worldly powers, question is who is at the helm now?

  7. To a non-religious type, what this looks like is a push for cultural extermination by erasing all differences (erasing all diversity, ironically enough). It’s Mr. Globaloney’s dream, and the Pope’s too, if he gets a seat at the top table. This attempt to merge religions on the basis that they share a common element, is like saying Italian and Chinese food are nearly the same because they both use noodles. Each one on its own can be delicious; each one evolved naturally, over time, as the result of a particular human tradition. But mix them together and you get one big, unnatural, unpalatable mess.

    1. I dunno. After keto/paleo ten years, noodles start to look the same to me. Except when I get to boil up calamari plain and drench it in butter and introduce it to our unwitting nieces and nephews who are thinking mac and cheese.

      1. zdb: thank you for making me laugh.

        I was thinking about the needed but seemingly impossible reformation of Islam under the guise of a happily ever after commingling of the Abrahamic religions and resulting in a reduction of bloody conflict and the suppression of women.

        because, the actual attempt to reform Islam could be a death wish. Perhaps someone could draw a cartoon of the new religion.

        let’s not forget the other Abrahamic religions, such as the Baha’i Faith, Yezidi, Druze, Samaritan and Rastafari, hmm, maybe all the Abrahamic regions should come under the rasta umbrella and we all can eat rasta pasta
        https://littlesunnykitchen.com/rasta-pasta/

  8. The saying, “The Devil is in the details!” comes to my mind when I hear people arguing over religious differences. There is something infinite in scope and aspects that creates and manifests infinitely. No one can argue this. Now when it comes to what is the true nature of which prophets and supposed spiritual beings communing with said prophets is anyone’s guess. But if you judge them by their fruit then there definitely seems to be devils in the mix causing much mischief in the world back then and even into our futures. Seems to me these conflicting details and messages have a purpose. That purpose seems to be the destruction of humanity and the desire to drive humanity out of the physical realm. Now many religions claim this physical world is evil and flawed and that paradise lies only in the next for those who can conform to a strict set of beliefs. Eventually eternal perfection, no matter what flavor you buy into from which ever devil of a salesman you prefer to buy from, itself can become a choice you come to regret and may wish to escape from. Even if the grass really is greener and safer on the other side you may find yourself longing for the uncertainties and wild adventures facing untold dangers you once knew back on this side some day. Too much of this and you may long for the greener safer side of things again. Now you guys do know there is much more out there than just two sides don’t you? Stop listening to the devils and connect with Infinite Consciousness/God directly if you want the whole truth. But be warned there are many devils pretending to be the almighty but are really just reapers and collectors of souls to use for their own purposes and fuel for their desired versions of manifestations.

    1. That is basic math.

      How can so many be so wrong and any one of them/us be right? At all?

      And by definition, any religion posits that all others are wrong. All others are mythology. So any mergers of so called equals are nothing if not the same as Daimler Benz merger of equals with Chrysler.

      Does this mean some religions are more equal than others?

      Curious that I made a point most of my life keeping my beliefs private (except that one) and listening to everyone else’s belief that I could get them the evangelize. My experience is that when rants get going, it’s fault finding with the serious faults inherent in all societies and then those faults get blamed on other religions or just a lack of that one true religion.

      So does this come off as an argument for atheism? or agnosticism? It’s intended to be proof of the value of privatism – and courtesy.

  9. They are all myths, without facts or logic behind them.
    Religions are television sitcoms – the weight they possess depends on the numbers of people tuning in.

    1. I dunno, I remember watching Monty Python’s first run in the US on Sunday nights on WTTW channel 11 in Chicago and thinking, me and the 4 friends I turned on to this are the only guys in Illinois watching this. And we were probably close to that.

  10. marcos toledo

    The main problem with Islam is what proof does Islam has that it is related to Yahwehism when it calls it Allah. As Kannanite-Semites the Arabs can say they are related to the Israelites and others of that ethnic identity. By the way Kannanite is what were called Phoenicians by the Greeks and Punics by the Romans. If that hadith is true then Mohamed was promoting polyandry one wife many husbands I thought it was the other way around polygamy one husband many wives. But then what can you say about a religion where its prophet consummated a marriage with a girl who nine years old and was the seven at the wedding

    1. They other strange thing about Islam is–it seems to have been an amalgamation of Jewish and Arian Christian doctrines. It certainly appears the two were not only regionally connected–but ideologically connected. Both were at war with Orthodoxy. There have been suggestions that members of the three communities intermarried during the period (Arian, Syrian Jews and proto-Islamists)–especially when the priesthoods embraced marriage and permitted such to occur. This movement is distasteful to all three traditions–but is the perfect fodder for the globalists. If, for no other reason, I will not buy it. Syncretism is always gnosticism in some clothing–where knowledge is held in primacy and kept among the “elightened masters”, thus creating an even worse kind of clergy than the more “orthodox” ones. If the “open” systems are bad, imagine how aweful the “hidden” systems will be.

  11. Defining what it is to Be – to be called Christian – sounds like a worthwhile start if an affirmation or reaffirmation of Christian unity is the next step forward.

    It’s important to start where they are; use what they have that supports their decision of identity; and to do what they can that leads to unity – presuming, of course, that there’s a disunity to correct. A few questions to ask, “What were and is the purpose of denomination(s)?” “What qualifies a disunity / unity and by whose reckoning of either mentioned or determined?” “Why was there a faith distinction in the first place?”

    Determining a unifying language would seem to help. Esperanto has limitations and (shudder the thought of annoyance who might be annoyed) is limited in context, too, as well as of European origin. The symbols alone remain numerous and the use and study of semiology has been quite fruitful if not confusing for the novice just beginning their quest in language learning. A universal translator has yet to be devised that is color neutral, pronoun immune, and not history averse should any want to refresh their collective memories of religious origins and the papacy. “Are their any Christians more Christian than the next Christian?” “Must there be a distinction in the first place?” “Will there be a victor that re-writes history as they perceive it to be?” “What will be preserved should another catastrophic global event occur?”

    Food, water, air, land, shelter, and a few other things of Being will still be needed to remain corporeal.

    1. The fetish of gender and color neutrality is a post-modern invention. The underlying assumption is that by eliminating them you eliminate cultural biases, divisions and sectarian strife. The historical view, on the other hand, paints a very different story. Politics, economics, psychology and ambition had far greater impact on the majority of western history than the prior two–and forcing this narrative provides the perfect cultural human shield for all types of the latter’s presence in the historical narrative. I’m tired of reductionistic viewpoints with respect to history. The devil is in the details–and the details paint a very different picture than the post-modern enterprise of human history. indeed, eradicating race, gender and color only diminish key parts of the historical puzzle that provide very valuable clues to the personality, character and opinions of the persons involved. How can one possibly understand Genghis Khan without understanding where he was from, how he fought, etc.? How can one possibly understand Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull and General Custer without these details? How can one possibly explain Rosa Parks or Booker T. Washington without some discussion of the African influence in U.S. culture? Without these details, history is not just sterile. It’s not even real!

  12. Andrew Stephens

    Interesting. I’m a Christian but an unorthodox one. I believe that the Word of God, the Holy Christ Logos, incarnated into the physical body of the man Jesus of Nazareth at the river Jordan which is an adoptionist “heresy”.

    Like the Orthodox I believe that all proceeds from God the Father but through the Son. I also believe in reincarnation as my earliest memory is of a scene from the life prior to this one. I wasn’t anyone special or famous, just some kid in a train station looking for my mom. It must have been some time in the mid 19th century because the people around me were wearing old fashioned clothes and hats. I was walking up a flight of marble or stone stairs…. I’m NOT a gnostic, I assure you.

    Anyway, I have been invoking Holy Mary for awhile now and asking for healing and spiritual catharsis. The miracles at Fatima fascinate me and pray to Christ that He blesses me with Wisdom, Spiritual Perfection and that He helps me to awaken to His eternal presence in my heart and soul.

    Have a good day everyone!

    1. Courtney Brown and his “Farsight” team of remote viewers recently planned an investigation of the “miracles” at Fatima. I don’t think they’ve released it yet. The website is farsight.org if you’re interested.

      1. … There are so many possibilities for RVs … Marduk, the Garden of Eden, the building of the pyramids, Lincoln’s assassination, Little Big Horn, Oak Island, JFK, Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom, Brando, “The King and I”, and “The Catcher in the Rye”, Eisenhower, Vaccine, England’s got a new queen, Marciano, Liberace, Santayana, goodbye … sorry got carried way there … or how about an RV of the birth, the crucifixion, and / or the resurrection? Such RVs might settle many a question.

        1. I’m not a critic or fan of RVs. I’m not a critic or fan of Courtney Brown. I’ve heard many of his interviews and seen some videos of past projects and was not always impressed. The problem for me in some of the ones on your list is: how do we know the event that is witnessed is the event we believe is being targeted? We’re almost putting as much faith in the RV’ers as some put in psychics and prophets from religious traditions. It’s a tool–but a tool that must be used properly–and some of these projects are too dubious to be believed. But, that is just me.

    2. All of the early Christians believed in reincarnation because that is exactly what Jesus taught. It was brutally stamped out. The last large denomination of Christian believers in reincarnation being the Cathars of southern France. Look at what Rome did to them. Why did Rome spend 140 years diligently killing every Cathar possible in order to completely eradicate their beliefs?

      Jesus didn’t preach about “resurrection of the dead,” i.e. anastasis nekron, i.e. “no longer in the stasis of death,” for no reason. It was a central tenet of his message.

      I’ll just leave you with two other examples and a brief history of the region.

      Judea had been Hellenized 400 years prior to the birth of Christ. The entire region spoke and used Koine Greek for every single purpose. The equivalent is the modern day USA, where many different peoples speak their native tongues, but everyone communicates in English.

      Jesus predicated in Greek. The notion that he predicated in Aramaic is equivalent to saying that a member of the Comanche tribe in 2020 went up and down the East Coast of the United States predicating in Comanche and drew large crowds of people to hear him speak.

      The original gospels were written in Koine Greek and we have the surviving texts today, in the original language. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of surviving works in Ancient Greek. From massive works of myth, to philosophy, to histories, to simple administrative texts. We know exactly what the words in the gospels mean and we can even track the changes of word usages and slight evolutions in the meanings of words over the course of thousands of years that Greek was spoken.

      So with that said, here are two examples that should pique your curiosity.

      What is going on with our translations of the New Testament? What was Jesus, a master philosopher, really saying?

      1) The word for “heaven” philosophically translates as “the emanation of creation.”

      In modern translations the word “ouranos” (οὐρανός) is translated as “heaven.” The word was indeed used to refer to the “sky,” but it literally means the “urination” of the gods, from ouréō (οὐρέω) to urinate. The connotations of the word run much deeper than just referring to the “celestial sphere” as most modern linguists have been taught. It doubled as a term for “creation” used by the Greeks. Literally the springing forth of Creation. It is not just the term for the Creation, but concretely a term for the emanation of Creation and Existence. It’s even more apparent in the mythology of the Greeks as Ouranos (Uranus) and Gaia emanate the entirety of Creation through their children the Titans.

      There’s a second word that is translated as “heaven” in the bible. That word is “kosmos” (κόσμῳ), which means the “cosmos” and doubles as the term for “universe.” It literally means “the order.” They sometimes translate “kosmos” as “world” as well, regardless of the fact that “ge” (γῆ) is the actual term used to refer to the earth or land.

      What is the New Testament really about, if every single mention of “heaven” concretely refers to the sky but philosophically refers to the “emanation of God’s Creation?”

      2) The “kingdom of God” actually translates to the “exercising dominion of the Divinity.”

      Yet again an interesting truth. “Basileia tou Theou” (βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ) is an amorphous noun, not a place or a location in time and space. It translates as “rule-set” or “ruling” of God, not a kingdom. The word basileia comes from basileuó, which literally means “to rule” or “exercise dominion.” Concretely, the term “Basileia tou Theou” is the “exercising dominion of the Divinity.”

      What is really being spoken of in the New Testament? What was Jesus really saying when he said that truly this generation shall not pass without the “kingdom of God” having come?

      Did his disciples really understand his message? Why are there such discrepancies between what they all preach after he is gone? Did some understand differently? Were some unable to record their experiences free of the dogma of their Jewish heritage due to a lack of understanding? Or what happened? How do you reconcile Christ’s words with their words? Christ claims that the ruling of God has already come, but the apostles claim it won’t come until his second coming? Are they unable to reconcile their Jewish dogma and interpretation of the coming of the messiah with what actually occurred? They believe Christ was the messiah from their first hand experience, but their dogma did not come true, so they shoe horned a “second coming” to bridge their misunderstanding? Or did they do it to placate their Jewish flocks?

      Are all the gospels and especially the letters, written by who we think they were? What’s actually going on with our modern translations of the bible and is, or was, there a conspiracy to suppress this knowledge?

      Joseph likes to dive into all things alternative, except when it comes to long held dogmas. I don’t blame him, it’s a scary thing to do.

      1. I am not so sure the assertion that Dr. Farrell is afraid to dive into theological matters is exactly true. I can think of several things he has written that are challenging enough–especially matters such as the “topological metaphor”, “Yahweh is a two-faced God”, “I Am that I am” and the possible linkages of the pun to the Sumerian pantheon (specifically, Enki. Now, he’s definitely not someone challenges Christianity at it’s roots, but that Ralph Ellis and others pretty much own that market. I, for one, follow this site and his books because his interests mirror my own in many respects. Dr. Farrell has been around for quite a long time now, has a curious collection of written works and an eye for the conjunction of physics, economics, history and politics. This is a unique ecosystem–one that does not require being derivative for sales or popularity.

        1. I love Joseph. There’s just certain topics that religious viewpoints trump. Everyone has their own beliefs and they are entitled to them. It’s part of what makes humans unique.

          1. Is it pertinent that most of those trumping issues are pointedly disagreed upon by the groups who are otherwise ideologically the closes to each other? Protestant / Catholic? Sunni / Shia? Great taste / less calories?

        2. Thank you Origen. Now that we have all been fully informed I’d like to offer this prayer:
          Our Father, who art in urine, may thy name be regarded as really nifty and cool, thy ruling set-template come, thy will be done…” Ugh… I can’t do it any more.

          1. Pater hemon ho en tois ouranois hagiastheto to onoma sou…

            “Father of us that in your creation sacred be that name of yours…”

  13. It’s all pretend and we’re all ego experiencing a survival response that ceases to function after death. Meditation is the universal religion. Ceasing to identify with the sense of individualism. Connecting to the infinite which has infinite versions of the same story (Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, and even Gizaism).

    “all that matters is “Supreme Being-ism” and that those differences and symbols and traditions are neither important nor real” -fixed

  14. « It’s a way of putting everyone “on the square,” and pretending that all that matters is “Supreme Being-ism” and that those differences and symbols and traditions are neither important nor real…
    the process has no end because it’s the process itself that empowers them. They are trying to UNMAKE all histories and TRADITIONS, and with it, all HISTORY.»

    Than you Joseph for your analysis. Oh yes, this is the deep meaning behind that circus, and traditions is the key word.
    This sounds exactly like what I have heard since the « French Revolution » and beyond, since the « Lumières philosophers » have been used to spread a uniform (« universal ») culture of « individual human rights » across the globe. At first glance a good intent, but turned into caricature, and weaponized.
    Individual as opposed to communities, societies.
    Artificial fraternity between individuals (=a social contract) versus the very strong links of shared rooted traditions in members of communities, of different societies.

    Erasing all traditions, this powerful cement that make entire communities of people a strong obstacle barring the way to tyranny, as a means to erase organized resistance. All powers that unite Men and could compete with the vampires power must be dissolved.
    The end of that road after the suppression of communities is the suppression of family, with the suppression of property, and, after the import of migrants, of course the creation of new rights for a new « individual » : the robot, the vampires’ future flying monkey.

    In France at the moment, the vampires are still working at fabricating their planned war that should according to their dreams oppose the moslems and the french aboriginals when comes the adequate moment.
    There is at the same time a strong movement for an alliance between french moslems and french patriots, including many catholics. To defeat this movement, a huge effort of counter-propaganda is performed by agents of the vampires on many websites, delivering renewed hagiographic posts about their beloved pope Imbroglio.

  15. Where do you GET these posts? I converted to islam about 30 years ago or more and have NEVER EVER heard one word about Mary the Mother of Jesus (May Allah grant her peace.) copulating with anyone in Paradise, much less the Seal of the Prophets (Peace and blessings be uopon him). I’m no Kadi, but this is salacious and wildly far from anything like mainstream islam, as far as I know (And Allah knows best). (We have not Pope, no final arbiter of any fine point of theology. What we have is a conscensus of scholars and a Middle Way that shuns the errors of the extremes. These claims sounds very extreme and far from the Middle Way. Mary, the Mother of Jesus (s) is reveared as one of the Three Perfect Women, and in Spain was revered as a Prophet in Her own right. Yes, we believe Mary was a virgin. If you believe that there is an effort by Fundamentalists to unite, and that is possible, then I suggest you read Karen Armstrong The Battle for God and avoid a Fundamentalist interpretation of the mainstream of ANY religion.

    1. I would like to add that the statement “but she was most certainly not a Muslim — a term and religion that came into being 600 years after Mary died.” is phonomenally ignorant, almost vicious. There is an entire Book of the Qur’an entitled “The Book of Mary”. We do not diverge from traditional Jewish thought so far as to make her a greek goddess, or worse “The Mother of God”. You have your way, we have ours, and God knows the Truth. We muslims do revere The Virgin Mary and claim her as our own. Mary certainly is a muslim, we wish peace upon Her when we mention her holy name, she is one of the “Perfect Women” mentioned in the Qur’an. Preposterous and wrong headed assertions by non-muslims will not change that.

      1. I thought the practice of signing people up for a religion after they have died, long before the inception of that religion, came from Mormonism. Or is it the other way around?

    2. “NEVER EVER heard one word about Mary the Mother of Jesus (May Allah grant her peace.) copulating with anyone in Paradise”
      Neither have I.
      As far as I hear of the discussions in France, Mary and Jesus are, on the contrary, two points of agreement between moslems and catholics versus the psychopaths.

    3. “In a hadith that was deemed reliable enough to be included in the renowned Ibn Kathir’s corpus, Muhammad declared that “Allah will wed me in paradise to Mary, Daughter of Imran,” whom Muslims identify with Jesus’s mother. (Note: The Arabic word for “marriage” (نكاح, or nikah, denotes “legal sexual relations,” connotes the “F” word, and is wholly devoid of Western, “romantic,” or Platonic connotations.) Nor is this just some random, obscure hadith. None other than Dr. Salem Abdul Galil — previously deputy minister of Egypt’s religious endowments for preaching — affirmed its canonicity in 2017 during a live televised Arabic-language program. Among other biblical women (Moses’s sister and Pharaoh’s wife), “our prophet Muhammad — prayers and be upon him — will be married to Mary in paradise,” Galil said.”

      Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/vatican_papal_academy_sells_out_the_virgin_mary_for_muhammad.html#ixzz6ntbzhh3c

      1. Peter Sazonoff

        The Egyptian authorities didn’t think much about ‘Dr’ Galil. They put him on trial as a troublemaker!

    4. Kinda sounds like every religions’ troublemakers stirring up trouble with every other religions troublemakers and then the troublemakers’ unions blaming it all on the non-trouble makers in these religions. Curious that the Pope made a statement early on in his rule that extremism endangers the planet. Like a religious version of fatwa against domestic and foreign terrists? About as reassuring as Dubya and Beijing Bidenenko having a joint presidency that claims to clean the swamp of terrists.

      1. Why is it that the genuine terrorists always classify their enemies as terrorists? Its almost as if they do not like the person they see in the mirror each morning–and project that self-hatred on to others. Or, by believing in their own rhetoric, perhaps they are just plain mad after all.

  16. Robert Barricklow

    If there was a word that The NWO[name I’ve given to represent the borg that want to inoculate/brand the herd them into the-cloud-in -the-sky/servers] does not want to engender it’s subject with; it is ecumenism: promoting unity. They have been dividing & conquering so long, that even time is getting jealous.
    My times flies…
    White Rabbit

    1. Robert Barricklow

      “Making betrayal seem ok… ”
      As I stated before; “they’re” rolling out the snitch apps online,
      in the public & private spaces;
      “they’re” having this snitch-female dog media promote it in their news, and no doubt Hollywood is going to roll out some movies characters. How about a snitch-b___ super hero, w/a caped costume, and other trappings – making your neighborhood safe[as if it ever was safe from these monstrous manufacturers of global diabolical political economies]?
      Purposely dressing up the global world stage in a cognitive dissonance confetti of antinomical falling principles, celebrating the discarding of any & all traditions[Family, Mom & Dad, Brother & Sister, etc., etc.].
      Ah!
      Promoting tourism, while masks and social distancing and snitching on fellow passengers.
      Why don’t “THEY” just bring out a new bible? A King Midas version?
      And of course, there would be no families, Moms & Dads, Brothers & Sisters in keeping in sync w/the secular governments official new slavish language. And, please don’t forget that Satanism shouldn’t overwhelm the other agreed-upon mythical religious official “pure” mixture[s].

      Everyone must make sacrifices on the way to the Kingdom of Borgdom.

        1. Thanks Rob for another ‘nugget’ from Gizaworld! Loved this one, and have subscribed…who says you can’t have fun online anymore hahahahahaha 🙂

        1. Robert Barricklow

          I ride the bus almost everyday hearing,
          “If you see something say something”…
          An app you can access on the private public partnership bus line.

          Yes, it’s back in the USSR; now updated and technologically advanced, in the USSA.
          Here’s an updated description using a USSR term & a USSA one:
          The Google Archipelago…
          https://goodreads.com/book/show/43254170-google-archipelago

        2. @zendogbreath and Robert
          Interestingly, Poutine introduced the Goulag Archipelago in the russian schools around 2010, with the deliberate intent to reconnect the young Russians with their History so as to form a strong nation. And despite the opposition of the remaining local communists.
          A few days ago, I read that the vampires want to remove Homer’s Odysseus from our schools in France. A pillar of our culture. De Gaulle would never have allowed that and we see also sustained propaganda efforts to tarnish his memory.
          The Russians are no longer indigenous peoples in their own home land. We are supposed to become indigenous peoples in our own countries.

          In my youth, beginning of the seventies, I lived several years in Berlin, Germany. I could listen to the american propaganda network (including AFN) as well as to Radio DDR, and there I realized that both east and west propaganda were symetrical. Two different experiments towards the same goal.
          And I saw with my own eyes how people lived beyond the iron curtain. During visits I heard friends living in East Berlin fear that innocent thoughts I might express in public might draw the attention of the Stasi on them. You don’t even know how to self censor so that no trouble happen, any thought could turn dangerous.
          This reminded me strongly of the stories from the war told by my parents, and their constant efforts to escape the Gestapo”s attention.
          When I saw the monster of the “EU” rise to an open dictatorship, I was sure this entity was the new vessel of the vampires to try again to reduce us to slavery. Only a very few believed me. Today when I say we live behind the iron curtain, only a very few believe me. It is like life with a psychopath when his mask has slipped long ago but you still see him through the filter of your memory with the nice face he showed at the beginning.

          1. Well said Danse.
            Talked with a few folk today about the same.
            They vary widely from left to right.
            And all are complaining about self censorship.
            None seemed all that worried about accuracy of their complaints about the “other” side, even when confronted with how that inaccuracy makes it difficult to point of embarrassment for me to advocate for their side on any issue.
            Reminds of when we were told “you’re either with us or the terrists.”

  17. Quite the idea. Like a seed, ideas are planted and grow when conditions are met. They are GMO or Heritage and marketed as such. Instead of genes for seed alteration, religious ideas can use propaganda and ignorance.

  18. I recently added a live stream of Mecca on my YT wanderings (Is it true they have a meteorite in the square center of Mecca — i digress?). The “Western Wall” and Mecca are now corporate mask wearing prison camps. Who and why the hell would you want to subject yourself to torture tourism and the C19 requirement of The Mark. We all know the Fallen Ones are planet side. Watch your SIX six six.

  19. Standing atop of a Ziggurat, in the land of Sumer….
    Well, is it true we were supposedly a slave race created for the express purpose of serving the Gods back then. (actually way prior to then…)
    Perhaps some invocatory appeals to Enki and Enlil…. They’ve finally got word they’re coming back – and their NOT happy….

  20. anakephalaiosis

    In Prospero’s Tempest, when contrasting land and sea, there are THREE ways of expressing the principle of CROSSOVER: ship, island and headland.

    Suffix NESS expresses transparent vagueness, of being both this and that. It is literally the point of spearheaded trailblazer, the gatekeeper.

    NESS is point of pier – the wave breaker – into an ocean of people. That is where Theoria merges with Poiesis, into Praxis in Kairos – the eye of the storm:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/jet0l4y3nr9y6yr/sherlock21.jpg

    TOPOLOGICAL METAPHOR IN OLD ENGLISH 6

    NESS
    Headland stands as gateway,
    surrounded by waterway,
    and yet by anchor
    upon shore,
    it holds notion of halfway.

    Point is spearheaded trailblazer.
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ccsirsai003ocg3/featherless-chicken.jpg

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