THE AGE OF THE EARTH, THE MOON, AND CATASTROPHISM
This is a fascinating article shared by S.D.D.H. (to whom a big thank you for sharing it) about recent fossil finds that have some scientists revisiting the question of the age of the Earth, and when life first began to appear here. Except, as one reads this article, some "problems" begin to appear for those "following the science", or at least, following some of it, while ignoring a few inconveniences cased by some other science:
Fossil Discoveries Challenge Ideas About Earth’s Start
The thesis here is simple enough, and will be of some interest to those who have long thought that the Earth, and more importantly, the life on it, is far older than the standard narrative believes:
In the arid, sun-soaked northwest corner of Australia, along the Tropic of Capricorn, the oldest face of Earth is exposed to the sky. Drive through the northern outback for a while, south of Port Hedlund on the coast, and you will come upon hills softened by time. They are part of a region called the Pilbara Craton, which formed about 3.5 billion years ago, when Earth was in its youth.
Look closer. From a seam in one of these hills, a jumble of ancient, orange-Creamsicle rock spills forth: a deposit called the Apex Chert. Within this rock, viewable only through a microscope, there are tiny tubes. Some look like petroglyphs depicting a tornado; others resemble flattened worms. They are among the most controversial rock samples ever collected on this planet, and they might represent some of the oldest forms of life ever found.
In late-2017, researchers lobbed another salvo in the decades-long debate about the nature of these forms. They are indeed fossil life, and they date to 3.465 billion years ago, according to John Valley, a geochemist at the University of Wisconsin. If Valley and his team are right, the fossils imply that life diversified remarkably early in the planet’s tumultuous youth.
More importantly, the new discoveries suggest the possibility that the early "hellish" period of Earth's geophysical history itself may increasingly come under fire:
As that story goes, in the half-billion years after it formed, Earth was hellish and hot. The infant world would have been rent by volcanism and bombarded by other planetary crumbs, making for an environment so horrible, and so inhospitable to life, that the geologic era is named the Hadean, for the Greek underworld. Not until a particularly violent asteroid barrage ended some 3.8 billion years ago could life have evolved.
But this story is increasingly under fire. Many geologists now think Earth may have been tepid and watery from the outset. The oldest rocks in the record suggest parts of the planet’s crust had cooled and solidified by 4.4 billion years ago. Oxygen in those ancient rocks suggest the planet had water as far back as 4.3 billion years ago. And instead of an epochal, final bombardment, meteorite strikes might have slowly tapered off as the solar system settled into its current configuration.
What I find intriguing here is the rather loose confirmation of cosmologies indicating a very early beginning not only to life, but also to those views which hold that intelligent life may have existed on this planet far longer ago in the mists of pre-history than the standard academic and scientific model suggests. For example, Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson's Forbidden Archeology, a lengthy and copiously documented and illustrated book well-known in the alternative research community outlines a case for the existence of such life, not just hundreds of thousands of years ago, but even millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, and in the case of one rather extra-ordinary archeological mystery, over a billion years ago. Whatever one may think of their thesis - and having read their book, I'm not inclined to entirely dismiss it - one thing that emerges from this article is that "following the science" can be a daunting proposition, especially since real science changes; new facts are discovered and their implications are pondered and discussed, and old models are tweaked, adjusted, significantly modified, or outright rejected. And as any historian of science knows, sometimes those old rejected models have astounding ways of coming back, in a new guise or new clothing, as more data is added to the picture, or data "from outside the considered context" is pondered.
That point brings us to another point in the article, one which to my non-scientific mind, poses yet another significant problem for "the narrative". First comes the rehearsal of the narrative:
About 4.54 billion years ago, Earth was forming out of dust and rocks left over from the sun’s birth. Smaller solar leftovers continually pelted baby Earth, heating it up and endowing it with radioactive materials, which further warmed it from within. Oceans of magma covered Earth’s surface. Back then, Earth was not so much a rocky planet as an incandescent ball of lava.
But then we get this exposition of one of those theories that forms one version of the narrative, which we'll call the "Earth-Moon fission theory" for want of a better term:
Not long after Earth coalesced, a wayward planet whacked into it with incredible force, possibly vaporizing Earth anew and forming the moon. The meteorite strikes continued, some excavating craters 1,000 kilometers across. In the standard paradigm of the Hadean eon, these strikes culminated in an assault dubbed the Late Heavy Bombardment, also known as the lunar cataclysm, in which asteroids emigrated to the inner solar system and pounded the rocky planets. Throughout this early era, ending about 3.8 billion years ago, Earth was molten and couldn’t support a crust of solid rock, let alone life. (Emphasis added)
I don't know about you, but at this juncture I feel a little like that enfant terrible in elementary school who asks that disturbing question "Why didn't the trees just grow taller?" when confronted with those pictures in older generation "science" textbooks trying to describe why giraffes had such long necks, and being told that they "evolved" them to reach the leaves on eucalyptus trees. (I know this from experience, because I was one such enfant terrible, and when my question was posed, I was told that "When you grow up you'll understand it. Are there any other questions?") But back to our story...
The Moon, you see, was split off from the Earth when "a wayward planet whacked into it with incredible force, possibly vaporizing Earth anew and forming the Moon." Well, that may satisfy geologists, but it presents a few problems for physicists, such as trying to explain just how the Moon then ended up in a nearly perfect circular orbit around the Earth in a double planetary system at the exact distance needed for the Moon to blot out the corona of the Sun exactly during an eclipse, and doing so in such a fashion that the Moon, rotating on its own axis, rotates in an orbit at just exactly the right speed to leave one face constantly turned to the Earth - about 60% of its surface - and the other face invisible to Earth-born observation until Apollo and Chinese satellites evolved to show us the other side. The other model of the Earth-Moon narrative has the Moon wandering through the solar system, somehow evading gravitational capture by such behemoths as Jupiter and Saturn (perhaps they were nowhere near when the Moon wandered through and hence couldn't be captured which is certainly a possibility), and ending up in the same orbit doing exactly the same things, the problem here being that if it was captured, its orbit would possibly be a little more elliptical than it actually is, since it would accelerate during the capture. Possible? Sure, except it looks to my non-scientific mind as if the Moon had to have been slowed down during the capture, and "parked" there, leaving people scratching their heads and re-doing their equations. And if you think I'm the only one with a "Moon problem," think again, because Isaac Newton and Isaac Asimov both had the same problem (and there's a few others, including some intrepid Soviet scientists who some years ago actually posited the idea that it was a big spaceship and that someone simply parked it there and arranged for it to be doing all the strange things it is doing), leaving some - including me - to respond to the question "Ever seen a UFO?" with the answer "Yes, every time I see the Moon."
So, I don't know about you, but yes, I can buy some really old fossils and an even older date for the origins of life on this planet, but I'm still skeptical about some explanations for that Moon, or whatever it is...
See you on the flip side...
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Velikovsky led me into the rabbit hole; I DO NOT believe most ANYTHING I hear relating to the postulated theories by academia/contemporary scientists. As a matter of fact, when I hear one of those drab (of the Irish Gaelic meaning) colloquium discussions, termagant passion flows through me and it takes all of me to keep my mouth shut.
Velikovsky also pointed me into the direction of Charles Hapgood, Trevor Pamler, David Montaigne, D.S. Allen and J.B. Delair… and so forth. Thus, I became a strong proponent of catastrophism as being fact; I not only believe in the ancient, the geological, archaeological, astrological…, you name it, texts/works…, I am waiting on the next worldly adventure to occur. I perceive that with the uptick in the plate tectonic disturbances i.e., volcanoes, earthquake strengths and frequencies, weather anomalies, the Sun’s sunspot behavior and of social upheavals (I attribute the societal increase of awareness partly to electrical cosmic energies as foretold by the Mayan’s) … we are not far off from something…
One item I found very curios is that nobody looks up anymore into the stars… at all and for any reason; perhaps only during a hyped up eclipse event. However, our ancient forefathers lived by the stars and for many reasons.
I recently came across one of those reasons, why to look up and understand the moons phases, and it is to specifically harvest trees for wood in season and only during the waning moon; it is called Moonwood. According to Dr. Erwin Thoma, “Moonwood, harvested during the waning moon, has more bound water in its interior. This means that it contracts more tightly during the drying process and only shrinks to a marginal degree. This makes the wood denser, more resistant to compression and also more resistant to invasive fungi, insects and voracious flames. The advantage Moonwood has in terms of density ranged from 5-7% over several thousand samples. From a technical point of view, this is a significant improvement compared to those that were not Moonwood harvested.” The first known writer of this concept is by Theophrastus of Eresos (372-287 BC), successor to Aristotle of the Peripatetic School, in his History of Plants (V,1,3), and states, “there is an appropriate season for cutting the trees and – within season – if cutting at the beginning of the waning moon, the wood is harder and less likely to rot”.
In ancient Rome.., Julius Caesar instituted a law of the Death Penalty for ship builders if they used anything other than Moon wood.
Dr. Thoma is and interesting cat as he is building houses from Moon Wood and I encourage you to seek out information regarding it’s benefits; my next house will be of Moonwood. Can you imagine? Many homes in America are built from wood… but this ancient knowhow goes completely unnoticed.
A fact about a Moonwod house: Provides “a 99.9% effective barrier to electromagnetic radiation, e.g. cell phones, microwaves etc”…
My two cents on the suppression of the ancients wisdom, catastrophism and the Moon…. Lol…
A youtube video regarding Dr. Thoma
MoonWood: World’s Healthiest, Safest, and most Sustainable Solid wood building system,Thoma Holz100.
His book, A Future with Natural Wood, is not translated well from the Austrian German, in my opinion.
Well there is a YouTube blogger Anton Petrov that tries to provide a scientific analysis to questions posed to him and by using a solar system simulator that scientists have created for studying solar system dynamics was able to demonstrate the how the collision theory occurred.
The only thing not explained is the likelihood of this collision happening naturally.
And in th book “who built the moon” they suggest that any celestial object that formed in the same orbital path around the sun would have a similar chemical makeup of earth.
There is an article on the internet about molecular testing of the moon rocks stating that the rocks are basically the same as earth rocks but with one significant molecular difference that is not accounted for in the collision theory..
The devil is in the details as they say.
I will give you two more anomalies with the moon.
1) The moon is too large for the Earth to have simply ‘captured’ it as it rolled along. The Earth’s Moon is only just 12% smaller than Jupiter’s largest moon, Titan. So, the Earth, smaller than Jupiter by a factor of 318, has a moon that is just a wee bit smaller than Jupiter’s largest moon.
2) If the Moon was created by a collision between a planetoid and Earth, then were is the Helium 3 on Earth? Helium 3 is found on the Moon, but none here on Earth. If both bodies collided with each other, then for sure some of that H3 bearing rock would have ended up on Earth.
I just knew this was going to be a Good One!! Loved reading all the comments!!
At my age, I like to keep an open mind & take in any new info that may become available! We are such a tiny spec in The Universe….who knows what happened here in the past.???
I found it interesting to discover Mudfossil Univ. This man, Roger Spurr, has found pieces of giants in his back yard in CT. He had them tested & they are human. He had a lung actually bleed on his bench while examining it!!(Talk about getting blood from a rock!) Of course, our beloved Academia will not even LOOK at his finds because they are too far outside the norm!!
Take a look at N. Africa & find the huge fish & the dragon that is attacking it!! Huh?!!! There is another dragon on the N. American continent…the tail is near D.C. 😉 & the mouth is down in the New Orleans area. Google Earth is allowing us to get a different view of things from “above” & we are finding interesting things.
At this point in time, my theory is that when Tiamat was exploded, our “gods” of Gen. Chapter 1(the earth was without form & void) took some remains of that exploded planet & formed our Earth. That would explain why the crust of our earth seems to be made of giant creatures.
If you’re still with me, check out the videos of Justin Pawlak…he has some interesting photos & newspaper clippings of giants in our recent past. There are mountains that actually look like a giant lying down. There are some sides of mountains that look like a human standing…..giant, of course!!
I dare say we have NO clue about our past & for some reason our Controllers, whomever they may be, have wanted to keep us in ignorance so that…well….we could be controlled!! 😉
I would urge any readers who have not done so to read Richard Hoagland’s monumental tour de force on our Solar System’s weirdest moon – Iapetus.
This is the most amazing and most definitely perfectly parked moon in the whole Solar System!
Here is link to his Enterprise Mission website – A Moon With a View.
Humans will only set foot on Iapetus once they have learnt to share, co-operate and live in harmony. Only then will they be allowed to contemplate and comprehend the Cosmos.
The British monarchy has taken to lunacy, because of fear of death approaching.
Encroaching one’s freedom of speech, is the consequence, of fear permeating hierarchy.
Like mad King George, present figurehead has a plethora of skeletons in the closet.
Epicenter of meltdown mode is Grim Reaper knocking, when emperor has no nightingale.
Pat Condell Nightingale: https://youtu.be/epozNGNU6Yg
I trade lunar harmonics. I do and others do. There exists a fascinating correlation between the Moon and financial market behavior which is the same as saying there is a fascinating correlation between the moon, and human behavior. Ken Ring “The LUnar Code” goes into great detail of how the perbutations of the moon, synodic cycles, declination and apogee and perigee correlate with storms, earthquakes and other geologic phenomena. The ancients build their structures based on the harmonic patterns of the moon and the lunar nodes. Chaco Canyon for one. Imagine a society that build structures around these cycles. why? Because they knew that societal changes happened according to these lunar harmonics. The entire Jewish Calendar is based on the cycles of the moon and Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has written books with associated predictions based on these cycles. The cycles of the moon are fractals with golden mean ratio’s to all the other planets.
Chris Carolan in his book “The Spiral Calendar” discovered hidden fibonacci ratio’s of the moon cycles that predict market crashes. Rabbit hole.
The dimensions of the Earth and Moon are in Phi relationship, golden ratio, forming a Triangle based on 1.618.
The diameter of the Sun multiplied by 108 equals the distance between Sun and Earth, and the diameter of the Moon multiplied by 108 equals the distance between Earth and Moon. The diameter of the Sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth.
I can go on and on about all the fascinating relationships that exist between the moon and planetary bodies. The harmony of the spheres.
I don’t buy the Icke Artificial satellite narrative. Man isn’t that smart. We’re talking higher intelligence or some enlightened represantives of higher intelligence that put an orbiting body into place that has harmonic relationships in terms of speed, time, and mass. That’s just too perfect. Richard and Robin Heath have written many books on the subject.
I don’t know , I think the moon best be described as a verb.
Like I gotta moon to the store
Or I gotta do some painting, now
Because the paint is available and by morning I ll be mooning.
No and not what you may be thinking.
Although in Midsummer nights dream,
I think the Bard makes a double entendre about this….
In the dumb play…
Thanks for the book recommendation. My husband had epilepsy and I found, by charting his seizures in relation to the lunar cycles that they had a strong correlation. I shared this with a couple of neurologists who obviously had no interest in such findings. It was interesting, though.
But that brings up many questions how old is Venus is it a giant comet-like Immanuel Velikovsky speculates in his book Worlds In Collision. And the Moon is a parked spaceship ala the Deathstar from the Star Wars franchise and the long out of print Our Spaceship The Moon. Has the long hiatus of lunar explorations been so that a secret space program be used to clean it up so that the official exploration and settlement can begin thing of Apollo as the Norse explorations of Vinland and the new Moon expeditions as Columbus opening up the Americas for settlement.
I just resign myself to awe and fun, otherwise it’s just plain frustrating to not know. I am a little weary of academic and scientific models though because they can never factor in the mystical aspects of creation.
In one’s humble opinion, humankind is just beginning to traverse a bell curve of learning and discovery (again). Those who’ve drafted books on the planets linear time frame remain inconsistent, especially, where and when presumed civilizations started and departed. Theories are subject to falsification. Those with invested interests, tenure, and who’ve rushed to publish often have difficulty with nuanced discoveries that put their presumptions in question or disprove them all together.
The Jack Hills zircons already disproved the LHB (Late Heavy Bombardment) years ago.
So, if the LHB never happened, what caused the distribution of “craters” on the Moon? It’s the only planetary body in the solar system with this density and distribution of craters. Not even Mars comes close. It has orders of magnitude more damage on its surface than everything else.
There’s also that disturbing trend of Moon “craters” being filled with massive amounts of debris. What kind of impact craters pulverize the surrounding bedrock, but leave neat little piles of rubble in the middle?
The answer is, they don’t. The Moon resembles the Yuka Flats Nevada Test Site more than it does anything else. Subsidence craters, not impact craters. Earth Penetrating Weapons (EPWs).
So you have one missing blown up planet, a resulting catastrophically destroyed red moon, and another “moon” with a munitions bombarded surface.
If I wiped out a competitor civilization and set them back thousands of years, I’d make sure they’d never point the finger back to me. I’d leave them with mythological tales of infighting, rebellion, and how everything was their fault and due to internal problems — no one else’s. I’d even come back periodically to make sure the nouveau savages kept promulgating these fantasies.
Food for thought.
That is food for thought, ATS. Thank you!
First off the Moon is an artificial satellite/base?
Therefore; it most probably was part of the previous civilization that established infrastructure/bases on several planets?
It was then used in the Cosmic war?
At sometime “man” came into the frame as an engineered slave
and/or a medium between worlds; w/ a foot in both?
Thus, the cosmic battlefield; and/or the prize: mankind?
to the post…
I’m reminded in reading about this ancient Earth; that the history is based more upon the “narrator”, than on the “science”. Because the narrator determines/translate what the science says. The “winning” narratives, express the status-quo of the times; that is, the narrator is more telling of “his times”, than of “ancient Earth”.
Thus, a controlling narrator is suppressing the real history;
that said narrator, doesn’t want mankind to know his real roots.
What skin does this narrative puppet master have in the game?
An ancient skin, perhaps?
Again, I’m reminded of recent history: 9/11.
Now, the “narrator” tells us that cave dwelling Arabs did it?
So, what and/or who, is man to believe?
I’m running late…
When you grow up you’ll understand…
the narratives of history, are an agreed upon fables.
Meanwhile “their Moon science’ is like the following video:
Thank you for that link, I was dying from laughter
> What skin does this narrative puppet master have in the game?
Well, you wouldn’t want the victims of your solar genocide to figure things out and come looking for answers, now would you?
If it were me, I’d attempt to make the extermination 100% complete. But who knows, maybe it’s impossible to stop them over thousands of years of time. They just keep evolving back, keep hiding in little crevices. I’d keep trying to wipe out the savages as often as possible, though. Hurl a few rocks their way. Maybe I’d grow more compassionate over time? Maybe the sissy factions amongst me would clamor for a change in policy.
Maybe you’d come to a compromise that it’s best and more “humane” to control their narrative and try to keep their growth (spiritual, economic, technological, etc.) as close to negative as possible. It’s also best to isolate them from all contact.
Maybe you do this until you’re sure they’re collectively mature enough to forgive past injustices.
Another explanation could be the Earth and Moon formed at the same time right where they are by similar processes and out of the same local solar materials that were available. I suspect the whole Universe model is wrong. Space bodies attract and collect dust and other bodies continuously and grow. The Earth and Moon both are collecting micro meteors and are growing. When they reach a certain size internal pressure from greater mass heats up the interior. When they get enough mass to have a thick enough atmosphere solar flare electromagnetic interactions heats up the core even more. Too much mass and they become gas giants. Much more mass they become stars. Stars gain too much mass become black holes. Black holes get too large they spit out and spin out new galaxies. There are building interactions and destructive interactions that reduce. It’s an infinite loop. Now interdimensionally different space is different time and different times are in different spaces. Venus could be Earth in one of it’s close by alternative potential future states and position. Mercury could be the Moon that has been altered by time and extreme temperatures it’s alternate dimension of space/time position closer to the Sun has shaped and fused it to be. Mars could one day/alternate dimensional timeline grow and become the Earth and one of it’s moons could grow into our Moon. Micro supernovas is a new theory that the Sun has minor supernovas every so often and at what temp does rocks and dust fuse and other elements gasify? Dust accumulated onto solar bodies could get fused during these micronovas and other minerals gasified to start an atmosphere. The Gas giants could some day grow to be Suns.
What if during several billion year cycles not all life is cooked out of existence by micronovas? And life has re-evolved to higher forms after several instances of past micronovas destroyed most but not all life during their occurance? Just like how I suspect that if the human race did something foolish and went extinct something else would evolve eventually to replace us with a higher intelligence and consciousness being here on a future Earth. The new evolution could even look nearly identical to us except have pointy ears or something and higher developed psychic and interdimensional abilities. Those greys could be from before our last micronova.
Why does the moon have no bulge, but the earth has one at the equator? Which body was originally a moon and which one was not? Usually the satellite with the bulge, especially a rocky body, is a moon. But, then again, I could be slightly mad for asking obvious questions.
There is a final piece of extremely archaic thought that concerns the Great Flood or Deluge reported in the Bible as the story of Noah.
The Flood could have been caused by the manoeuvring and parking of the Moon into the Earth’s orbit. Massive tidal waves would have resulted across Earth until the oceans finally settled into their twice daily tidal rhythm.
When was the Moon first recorded in art / cave paintings and tablets? A question that Joseph should be able to help us with please!
This comment is tangent from the subject of the post, but why are we always assuming that advanced technology “UFOs” are coming from places huge distances from the earth? Doing that involves problems of speed of travel, lifetime lengths of organisms crewing the “UFOs”, motives, etc.
What if the “UFOs” are coming from deep sub-sea civilizations right here on earth?
Correct! That is most likely and credible why the military has spent hundreds of Billions on nuclear attack submarines armed with nuclear weapons to keep them in check. The UFOs and UAPs come and go between the deep sea and their bases in the Moon. They are probably based in Mars as well.
Portals also make an advantageous egress onto the planetary and Sol system neighborhood.
The Moon could be hollow or at least resembles Swiss cheese. Riddled with lava tubes, cavities and caverns.
When it is hit, it rings like a bell, which suggests that it is indeed hollow – see the Apollo 17 South Massif lunar ascent stage crash experiment (“Chapel Bell”). It is still debated by some scientists if the Moon could be an artificial construction rather than a naturally formed planetary body.
Keith Laney has written extensively about South Massif and the Apollo 17 bizarre exploration by Cernan and Schmitt on his website The Hidden Mission. They went off camera on their Apollo 17 Lunar Rover EVA at Nansen Crater which sits at the foot of South Massif for an hour and spoke in strange sentences resembling US Navy Falcon Codes. If you look at high resolution images of South Massif taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter LRO you can see Nansen which is black and appears rectangular in shape – most likely an opening or gateway. The mountain of South Massif itself is hexagonal in shape.
However, there is an even more amazing and most definitely perfectly parked moon in the whole Solar System, which is Iapetus – a moon of Saturn. Richard Hoagland has written all about it on his Enterprise Mission website in a fascinating article – A Moon With a View.
Humans will only set foot on it once they have learnt to share, co-operate and live in harmony. Only then will they be allowed to contemplate and understand the Cosmos.
The artifact Pluto is also rather odd in its orbit as well. In its present orbit it would be the perfect “outpost” for some rather advanced, ancient civilization as an observation platform, navigation aid and beacon. (Lighthouse, anyone?) Scientism has an explanation for this astral body–but that opinion is based only on a specific set of scientific dogma that remains yet unproven. It may be true. I raise the alternate explanation not because I am wedded to it, but to point out that I am wedded to neither. Until we have boots on the ground and information published in public journals we will know nothing. There again, we have neither reason nor information to postulate that modern man has been there secretly, but how would we know? Until we have the means to measure the diameter of the Big Lie we can never deduce the area or the circumstance of the Great Deception. We’re still trying to find the diameter’s length.
Until we have the means to measure the diameter of the Big Lie
we can never deduce the area; or the circumference of,
the Great Deception.
I wonder if man will ever map out…
those ever-present “Rabbit Hole[s]”?
Nice metaphor but I expect that the diameter of the lie is less than nil,
which means Pi and the rest of human 3d awareness slips into the “irrational” (hopefully something other than “anti-matter”). in other words bonafide lying could be literal black hole manifesting (from which a new galaxy is sprung? sure why not)?
perhaps we’re rather looking for the liar-meters dength. once the dength is at hand all we’l need is the hength and wength and the mystery may well undustify, from lonely specks into denser clusters of specks, within our very imaginations?
what would the unenlightened look like to the enlightened clump of star dust?
According to Velikovsky, Venus arrived during the Exodus. This parallels nicely with our current predicament. All free people need to GTFO of Egypt. Like now. I hope the Mana falling from heaven can sustain us until the CIA is dashed into a million pieces. Methinks my allusions are too many.
And Norman R. Bergrun in 1986 in “Ringmakers of Saturn” book speculated that those UFO ships may be REALLY BIG: cigar-shape with length of 4 Earth diameters and width of 0.3 Earth diameters.