Alternative Archaeology

ARCHAEOGENETICS

This rather intriguing article applies directly to some topics that I have both blogged about on this site, and that members of this website and I have often discussed in our "members' vidchats", namely, that peculiar area where "paleoancient" (my somewhat redundant term) pre-history, archaeology, and genetics intersect. It was spotted by S.D., to whom a thank you for passing it along:

Alice Roberts: Archaeogenetics will help us solve mysteries of past

The article's authoress, Ms. Alice Roberts, begins by also noting this curious area where archaeology and genetics overlap, but note carefully what she goes on to say:

TWO seemingly disparate scientific disciplines have been drawn into each other’s orbits, set on a collision course. On one side is archaeology with its grimy earthiness, heavy with history and tradition; on the other is genetics, with its clinical brightness, brave and brash in its newness. Fusion can be difficult, but it can also create astonishing energy when it happens.

At the forefront of this merging is a new sequencing project called 1000 Ancient Genomes. Led by Pontus Skoglund at the Francis Crick Institute in London, it is the most ambitious ancient genomics project to date. The DNA it looks at will be completely sequenced, leaving no stone unturned, no stretch unread.

It is two decades since the human genome was first sequenced, and the pace of change in genetic technology in the intervening years has been breathtaking. Sequencing is now faster by several orders of magnitude – a human genome can now be deciphered in a day. And with DNA extracted from ancient bones, we are able to uncover the genetic secrets of our ancestors. (Boldface emphases added)

Now, fascinating as the rest of the article is - for example, Ms. Roberts mentions that the 10,000 year old "cheddar man" skeleton, given its genetic composition, may have been very dark complected with blue eyes, "a combination that is rare today" - what intrigues me here are the implications of the "1000 Ancient genomes" project.

Over the course of several books I have pondered the claims of some ancient texts - the Old Testament's nephilim, or the Babylonian or Egyptian kings' lists of Berossus and Manetho respectively, or Mesopotamia's "annunaki" - of an ancient intermingling of humans and the "sons of God" or the gods. Some researchers, myself included, have speculated that this may represent some sort of "genetic project", a speculation that presupposes a rather advanced civilization to do it. In Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men I even speculated on the suggestive parallels  between genetic haplogroup studies, and some of those ancient texts as interpreted by some of those researchers speculating on just such a "paleoancient" genetic program. But texts and parallels are a long way from proof or disproof.

But a project such as this 1000 Ancient Genomes might be a clue, perhaps, that a long term project might now be underway to test and prove or disprove such speculations.And governments can read those texts and understand their implications just as easily as you or I, and it stands to reason that they would try to seek some proof or disproof of them, even if only covertly. So here I am speculating once again in our tradition of "daily high octane speculation."  It is interesting to note that the project has apparently begun at the "more recent" end of the archaeogenetic spectrum, a sensible  step, since by the nature of the case there are bound to be more "younger" human remains than "older" ones, and also because the farther back one moves in history, the more theoretical the assumed evolutionary connections between modern humans and other members of the genus "homo" become.  So how might such a project look for such a possibility, i.e., of deliberate genetic manipulation not only of the species, but perhaps of the entire genus? I suspect it would have to concentrate on two areas, or to look for two specific things: (1) a sudden emergence within the genetic record of persistent traits not previously there, and (2)  evidence that these traits could not have been introduced by nature. The latter is important because the first - since the theoretical proposals of biologist Stephen Gould for evolutionary changes of "punctuated equilibrium" rather than "gradual Darwinian change through micromutations" - would not be sufficient in and of itself to indicate such tinkering.

Time will tell, of course, whether anything like such a grand project is actually the goal, but at least for now, you can put me in the suspicious column that it is, at least, a possible hidden goal of the quest.

See you on the flip side...

76 thoughts on “ARCHAEOGENETICS”

  1. Loxie Lou Davie

    How about if “they” clone a Jesus to match with the DNA on the Shroud of Turin??? We already know there are many clones running around on this planet!! What better way to control a large swath of Humanity than having a Jesus return??? We cannot tell the difference between a hologram & The Real Thing….we are kind of sunk in trying to figure out nowadays what is “true” & what isn’t!!! 😉

    1. I’m about as inclined to believe experts on the dna results as I am to believe the preacher down the street that he has keys to heaven and I need him inserted (along with his interpretation of the Bible) between me and whatever deity he feels I need imposed.

      BTW, didn’t Monty Python solve that Shroud of Turin question ages ago in Life of Brian? I thought that was Brian’s shroud. Always look on the bright side of life……. do do, dadoo doo doo doo.

  2. To amplify what Steve Jinks said already, I would have to agree that the ability to create vitamin C internally would be one very important marker to check, possibly one of the most important.

    According to Thomas Levy, MD, JD, in his book, “Curing the Incurable,” (page 41) the genetic defect which prevents humans from creating vitamin C internally is the lack of a liver enzyme called L-gulonolactone or GLO. It is the last of a sequence of enzymes which convert glucose into vitamin C. Humans have the genetic code to produce the enzyme, but it is “turned off” somehow. (Hmmm . . . .)

    Goats have the ability to produce 13 grams or more of vitamin C per day in normal health, and some believe they can produce 100-150 grams under extreme stress.

    That level of vitamin C has incredible healing power, as it is not only a very potent de-toxing agent, but also an absolute anti-viral (meaning no virus can survive a high enough dose of C). Levy’s book and Andrew Saul’s web site have lots of information on over 100 years of vitamin C research, and showcase the remarkable properties of this vitamin. It can protect against everything from cancer to chemical toxins and poisonous venom of all sorts, in large enough doses – and therein lies the problem – it is difficult to get high enough serum levels, even with IV administration, and almost impossible orally. (The best option I have found is lyposomal vitamin C. I have had fantastic results with Lypospheric C from Livon labs, and it figures prominently in at least one miraculous case of healing in New Zealand. One can supposedly get close to IV serum C levels with this delivery method. It is a bit spendy, but I have found it well worth the money in my health regimen.)

    The ability to produce C internally would likely be one of the reasons for extremely long stated lifetimes of certain biblical people.

    Removing the ability to make vitamin C would certainly make the modified humans far weaker and more frail, and would certainly contribute to a serious decrease in lifespan.

    I have read one person’s argument that the ability to produce C was removed by “natural selection” – they argued that the energy cost of the increased C outweighed its survival value in difficult times. I find that logic questionable given the highly protective nature of this vitamin against all forms of infection, shock, stress and toxins.

    If medical researchers were honestly concerned with helping humanity instead of just making money, they would find a way to turn vitamin C production back on in humans.

    But stronger, tougher humans is not what certain groups are after.

    1. Nice insight.

      Pondered that a few years. Mercola was my doc back in the 90’s briefly when I was first starting to ramp up C intake. Been reading and experimenting since. Noteworthy that supplementing is worth far less than what’s taken in by good food – organic lemons make obvious differences.

      Feels like wound healing is the best indicator of speed and effect. Wolverine was that superhero who healed fast right?

      Have noted through decades of experiments with diet and supplements on me and dogs – wolverine abilities are achievable in varied degrees. Canid livers generate notable levels of C when they are fed well. Define fed well.

      Took years of study and a year of transition to get our dogs on “Raw and Natural” diet. Health transition was shocking. Neighbors noticed. Kibble breaks them down and ages them visibly and fast. The same folk carrying that narrative for dog’s diet are in the Weston Price family of human nutrition. I’m old and amazed what I have recovered from in the last 11 years of paleo/keto adaptive experiments. The insights I gain all highlight the decades of mistakes I was trained to make by family and school (and by the USDA).

      Now after studying a bit of Travis Christofferson, Dom D’Agostino, Tom Seyfried, Satchin Panda, Otto Warburg and a growing list of friends, I believe that 98% of claims of genetic responsibility for our health are bunkum excuses for medical malfeasance, neglect and malpractice. It’s environment. Think epigenetics. Would not be a bit surprised if our livers were willing, able and longing to produce C. We are just firmly in the way with all the wrong things we thing are mandatory to our daily life.

      But don’t worry, Klaus Anal Schwab has mandates coming to fix all those other lies.

  3. Today’s blog should be read in conjunction to one from 2015 https://gizadeathstar.com/2015/06/one-for-the-transhumanism-scrapbook-global-ancient-human-dna-database-to-be-created/ GLOBAL ANCIENT HUMAN DNA DATABASE …[ ] there were aspects of the human Genome project that were deliberately designed with a covert agenda in mind, namely, to attempt to reconstruct an accurate genetic history of mankind and, if possible, to verify the connection of modern families to ancient “bloodlines” stemming from Mesopotamia and Egypt.

    It seems researchers in Stockholm and Uppsala are also producing a genetic atlas of human prehistory. The aim is to map the DNA of a thousand individuals from different parts of Europe and Asia over a time span of almost 50,000 years. The results will provide new knowledge about migration events, climate change and diseases – and perhaps new answers about mysterious disappearances in the past…So much interest in so many, by so few.
    The Crick institute is fond of gene editing https://www.bionews.org.uk/page_150490 – CRISPR genome editing may result in unwanted heritable genetic changes, which could lead to long-term risks in a clinical context. They also partner with the Wellcome Trust who have a history with eugenics.

    Knowing the genetic ‘types’ enables Precision Medicine refering to the tailoring of medical treatment to the individual characteristics of each patient. However..
    It does not mean the creation of drugs that are unique to a patient, but rather the ability to classify individuals into subpopulations that differ in their susceptibility to a particular disease, in the biology or prognosis of those diseases they may develop, or in their response to a specific treatment.
    Preventive or therapeutic interventions can then be concentrated on those who will benefit, sparing expense and side effects for those who will not…….Well that can be ‘dual purpose’.

  4. With the anticipated UFO/alien disclosure, it has been predicted these interdimensional (demonic) beings are going to try to convince us that THEY are our “creators,” that they have genetically “made” our homo sapiens. This is supposedly a big deception we will be presented with. Does this new research into ancient DNA have anything to do with that, to prove or disprove their case?

    1. So far their only proof offered that they started us is that they are capable of ending us. Neither idea is very convincing to a man with a free mind.

      It does keep bringing Childhood’s End to mind.

  5. marcos toledo

    My fear is this technology will be used to keep the enthrallment of humanity continuing. It is interesting that the return of indigenous remains began when this technology was making its appearance are the elites trying to hide evidence of truth as usual. Lies over truth seems to be their motto.

    1. No question here that the elites have bloodline on the brain. Makes one wonder if they know just how diluted bloodlines actually are.

    2. The only truth the elites are trying to hide is that they are not really the “elites” in the true sense of the word. Cheers.

  6. UH, OH!. . Bets are OFF. Someone found ancient DNA in 1992 & 2015 up on those ancient Tibetan glaciers 15,000 years old and added with potential correlations with recent tinkering in the bio-safety labs have gone rogue. The race is ON. (Probably has been on for several decades since the introduction of the Jem’Hadar (super soldier) protector of the Dominion of “Deep Space Nine” or the Super Soldier of the “X-Files.” There must have been a super soldier fetish back then in some writer’s guild. Of course, super heroes might peak the interest a little more than bland microbes unless they grew to super sizes. Have to admit that some of those sci-fi renderings really look cool digitally reproduced on the big screen or large screen TV’s or hand-held phone screens. Lots of details you know. Besides, what’s Archæology and genetics without the big screen of Hollywood?

    Given that humankind, like so many other indigenous base-pairs (at least, they’re thought to be that) called life forms with a caveat brand name on the planet, seem to be an amalgamation of microbes working together as an organism, there’s likely to be more tinkering. To say little about the current randomness of environmental inputs like exposures from ultra-violate radiation, cosmic ray shredding at the cellular level at high altitude (some less so at low altitude), and chemical exposures that already do plenty in shifting the future course of this up-right simian type.

    Hope someone is recording all that stuff they’re doing to keep track of best sellers. You know, to turn a profit somewhere or turn a plentiful harvest somewhere else. Yikes!

  7. Just kidding, Valid points made. I’m sure eventually they will go in the back room and bring out all the findings over the years that didn’t fit in their scientific narrative of the day. Of course it will probably be after Michael Cremo has past on…

    1. Think we’ll get to see all those giant skeletons that the Smithsonian hid away?

      1. According to Clif High, at least some of those bones were dumped in The Pacific soon after being found.

    1. I’m still having difficulty believing they have and accurately use the tech they claim to have. Look at the decades of reliance on fingerprints to convict how many folk?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM1QgwaKv4s
      Adam Ruins Everything – Why Fingerprinting Is Flawed

      Not that surprising a eugenicist, Francis Galton, foisted another lie on us. The lies just keep going.

    2. Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.
      I can see the advert now: “For a mere $100,000 we will map your DNA, providing proof that you are indeed alien.”

  8. Real reason for Vietnam war was to destroy all traces of ancient Hindu temples like Angkor Wat in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. The bullshit reason given was Communist Domino falling.
    Temples in Vietnam Laos and Cambodia were bombed from the air by US war planes to destroy all Hindu temples still not discovered due to dense over growth of jungles. The lie propagated was that these temples were used by commie guerillas to stock food , water and ammunition.

    1. marcos toledo

      The destruction of ancient libraries and buildings that might prove cultural contacts that are unacceptable to official history with a war to cover the real objective.

    2. Vietnam was definitely a stacked operation. Many objectives, many layers, most occulted.

  9. At a point in our evolution, our life spans were shortened. I think this was through genetic manipulation. Is life span discussed in one of JPF’s books? My theory which is 100% speculation is that it would be found in DNA related to reproduction and hormones. Not sure how that would be evident across different groups over time.

    1. Steve Jinks (Ex Post Metronomus)

      Not to forget the issue of Vitamin C synthesis. We are one of a handful of species unable to make our own vitamin C. It was the bastard son of a pope who introduced limes for long sea voyages (think Niña, Pinta, and Santa Maria). There was a single epigenetic change in the production of only one of the four metabolic components in Paleotime. The other three are still there. If Moderna wanted a shot vector to recover all that investment, they would switch that back on and wed live as long as the sons of Noah.

  10. Robert Barricklow

    Like other “sciences”; the current in-place closed system of beyond-belief corruption, has politicized whatever science[s] there may have been.
    At best, there are two “sciences”;
    one for public consumption, and one for “private” research & development.

    Late…
    White Rabbit

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Those seeking the genetic engineering of man in the ancient past
      will finance that past w/public money.

      The public side will, of course,
      support whatever myth the politics, of the time wants.

      The private side will seek the illusive truth;
      the use whatever is found, to further engineer man to “their” specs.
      After all, the current leadership ideology is transhumanistic in nature;
      w/a heavy-duty gnostic undercurrent.

      But I suspect, that at the deepest level;
      there are those looking to climb back-up that ancient DNA ladder
      to an androgynous form of “man”;
      before the Fall/Tower of Babel moment?
      To return “man” to his original and most powerful potential?
      So powerful; he/she was a threat to the Gods themselves?

      And who, pray tell, would these “characters” be;
      that want to rewind the biblical clock
      to a point where “men” challenge the “Gods”?

      Perhaps those, including a nostalgic fallen angle;
      looking to rekindle, those good old days:
      when androgynous men were Gods?

      1. You said: “Perhaps those, including the nostalgic fallen angle: looking to rekindle those good old days: when androgynous men were Gods?”

        If by which you mean, only for themselves and not everyone, then I will buy all of it. Humanity’s desire to rule is too strong for the whole race to ascend. I have come to believe they want to usurp that rule from the gods for themselves.

        1. Robert Barricklow

          Yes!
          In fact; while there has been some discussion of the “god” gene;
          what about its counterpart, the “Power” gene?

  11. While others will discuss implications for this on prevalent theories I will focus briefly on the outcome of these “official studies”. There will be two outcomes–one for private review and analysis and one bromide statement or article that reveals nothing while suggesting a dead end. The public will be left in the dark unless there is a strategic divergence to stoke future wars. The private version may not only confirm some version of what is being discussed here, but it will be used to validate and secure the opinions of their special status from some bloodline families with traditions of ancient roots. On my part I am never surprised at the level of hubris among these peoples. Aren’t we all related to some distant historical relative? What makes their bloodline so “special” after all? With respect to the soul, is it genuinely an accident of birth? Or, is there some connection between the two that confirm the nephilim / demon tradition? In other words, will this be used to explain why some bloodlines are “unlawful” mixtures, where the soul is genuinely of a different class and possessing genuine degradation. If there is “any” truth to the Calvinist claims of predestination of the damned it must be deeply connected with that ancient nephilim tradition of their souls yielding demonic spirits. Now, if this is genuinely the thing in view, how did we get here technologically?

    1. Terrific – Calvanist geneticists intervening in human evolution.
      And would you like an order of predestination along with your “vaccine”, today?

    2. I’ve always found it odd that any humans, whatever their genetics, could be considered intrinsically superior or inferior in a spiritual sense, based on mere material considerations such as genetics.

      1. Now, after reading more of the comments and thinking a little further, I suppose that if DNA is what allows us to transduce good or evil from the spiritual realm (e.g., if genetic manipulation can make people feel like “they’ve killed God”), then maybe I need to rethink my initial reaction…

        1. God discriminats in all he does so why would man not do the same. If DNA is the key stone of life and that also means the type of soul / Spirit that can inhabit that life form based upon DNA signiture. To me that is elementary science based spirituality. I have found in my life that some life forms are inherintly good / angelic as some life forms are inherintly bad / evil. All is based upon DNA genetic code that draws certain souls / spirits to those life forms. We are created in God’s image for the good and bad. You have freewill to chose if you are truly a child of Adam. Otherwise you may not have as much freewill to chose at all. Children of Cain will not be leaving this earthly realm anytime soon because it is there prison until God chooses to let them be free. My guess is not in our lifetimes.

    3. Surely what the thirteen families claim makes their bloodlines so special is that they believe they are each descended from a union between members of the family of the Anunnaki god-emperor (Anu?) and human women, and that their descent from Anu gives them the divine right to rule humanity?
      Whether that right exists in the eyes of anyone but them is another matter!

      1. That bloodline argument equation for right to rule definitely colors everything they do, and they obscure everything to bolster that claim at every turn. Like many here, I do not ascribe to any variation of the bloodline argument with respect to justification for elitism. These people do, though. It is their primary microscope stain with which to color their subjects before examination and decision. They ground it in the ancient lists of genealogies linking them to the “ancient ones”–in which, today, their argument may be sold through a UFO cult as proof. It’s the premise I reject. This planet, this solar system, this galaxy, this universe–it does not belong to them. It is not their right to rule. I see no proof of the claim except their word. There is no deed. Even if there was how can you justify it’s provenance? Their word will not even buy you a cup of coffee–but their money will. Their continuation of Lucifer’s Wager depends on a promise they cannot fulfill–yet contains within it the fragment of our trusting their word. Giving them anything, including sovereignty, will leave us with nothing. I have only one thing to give them–no thing. They are no longer even worthy of my scorn.

        1. Well, I guess their claim, like the claims of all pretenders to hegemony, ultimately rests on the threat of violence. The USD, the CCP, etc – sooner or later it just comes down to the threat of violence.

  12. The other “strange” thing about Cheddar Man was that the Time Team archeologist that helped do the earliest DNA study of him was from the village near he was found as was a class full of older elementary school children.

    It turned out that not only were something like 1/3 of the school kids directly related to the guy (the DNA of everyone was tested) but so was the presenter on Time Team!

    Back then the facial reconstruction also looked just a bit like his 10,000 years later descendent because of course, they made him with white skin.

    It was harder to tell when the newer DNA methods revealed him to have dark skin and the “for the Nightly News” story simply used photoshop to basically “black face” Cheddar Man, which is also probably not what he looked like.

    My guess is that a lot of the Northern Europeans during this period were probably dark like Southern Europeans or many North Africans today, though of course, that might not be the case.

    But the really interesting thing was that the village in England still had genetic ties to this ancestor 10,000 years later!

    The fragile “marriage” between genetics and archaeology and bringing up some very interesting stuff, from proven Norse women warriors to Neanderthals mating with modern humans

    It won’t surprise me if they find “other” things as well.

    1. It’s interesting but perhaps not that surprising that there are still local genetic ties to 10,000 years ago. After all, if you go back far enough, we are all related!
      Mobility is a recent thing. Somerset is not Constantinople. It is still a mostly quiet, rural county bordering the water on the western edge of Europe. Routine travel for the masses only became relatively easy less than two hundred years ago with the advent of railways. I can remember, as a child growing up in rural UK, conversations with many elderly people who had rarely travelled outside their county during their lifetime. Many would also argue why, having found such an idyllic place to live as Somerset, would one want to leave?!

  13. Actually, I think that’s exactly what they’re doing: monkeying with the spiritual connection and control of the physical that occurs through our DNA. In addition, I’ve recently begun to wonder if it’s not the first time human beings have tried to alter their DNA. Many plants from the Amazon seem to have been genetically engineered, and if that is true, it was done a long time ago and by a people who knew a lot more about genetic engineering than we do.

    I’ve also wondered if human genetic engineering might have taken place in the distant past, with regard to psychopathy. If you look beyond the damage the psychopath does to non-psychopaths, the most salient features of the condition (that is purported to be of genetic origin) are the lack of tender empathetic emotions and an inability to deal with lack that leads to an uncontrollable desire for power. Power for psychopaths (and others) can be seen as an offensive position to stave off lack in any form.

    If you were going to divide mankind in a subtle, long-term way, introducing genetic changes for psychopathy (or getting people to do it themselves) would do the job very well. And, pursuant to what I said about genes and spirituality at the beginning of this post, the jab may be following along to the next stage of a program to bring mankind to heel, making things not only easier for psychopaths, but also for the “cousins” or whoever else is out there.

    1. Thats one of the reasons i 3 decades ago came to the conclusion that anyone who seeks power over anyone else no matter the position in society has to undergo regular psychopathy (every 6 months) tests , the whole hoopla including MRI scans. And if found to get hits on the trait list will be blocked to enter any such power position in society, and thats just the beginning not the end because it involves
      complicated social issues and questions, e.g how will society deal with children who are psychopaths.

      Today we know that many psychopaths lack the connection between amygdala and frontal cortex
      and when doing a psychopathy test the brain activity pattern of the psychopathic brain is very different.

      And if humanoid society start doing such tests and block psychopaths the “cousins” may get very angry!

      1. How that testing n solution mix does not get corrupted n exploited is beyond me.

        1. Corrupted? Well those who conduct the test needs to be tested as well.
          If no testing and block, well thats what we have today , the “reality” of
          the psychopath, so dont blame the psychopath blame the folks who
          enabled them to power.

          1. Yes and no. There’s a little of blaming the victim in that line of thought. Don’t blame the slave trader, blame the peoples who enabled them to trade slaves. The slaves should have fought them off.

          2. ZENDOGBREATH said. (no reply button on your comment).
            :-Yes and no. There’s a little of blaming the victim in that line of thought. Don’t blame the
            :-slave trader, blame the peoples who enabled them to trade slaves. The slaves should
            :-have fought them off.

            Thats “not” how it’s intended to be interpreted! If a society first enables then stands
            passive with their hands in their pockets watching the works of psychopaths
            and sure as hell they evidently do they can be considered to be partners in crime
            and not slaves. The equivalent for regular people is in most law books already it’s
            just not applied to psychopaths and thats the problem because the system
            do not contain the lines “test anyone who wants to become into power over others”
            which is a master and slave system per definition.

          3. @herrschwab
            I see what you are saying here. Like I said. Yes and no.
            My appliance repairman told me his client before stopping at my house was a lady who asked if he had been vaxxed. Interesting conversation.

            My thought: horrific how impolite we are being trained to be. Another step towards psychopathy. It’s a not so slow step down to dumbing down and losing civility. My Japanese friends come to mind. Their intense courtesy leads to a ferocity unparalleled. They will almost never so “no.” No matter how intense that negative reply needs to be.

            No wonder the Japanese have zero mandatory vaccines (and phenomenally low SIDS and autism rates) and their cv1984 vax uptake was still under 1% last checked. They are the only country I am aware of running actual trials on the vax.

            The concern here is that the ignorance and psychopathy being trained into us is weaponizing the sheeple. Most border collie mindsets don’t worry much about sheeple – at least until their panic, fear and inappropriate teaching gets dangerous. In worst case scenarios have, seen borders run across the backs of their herd. Not sure I’m analogously capable of doing that with mankind.

            BTW, he asked her what business that was of hers.

          4. ZENDOGBREATH said:-“The concern here is that the ignorance and psychopathy being trained into us is weaponizing the sheeple.”

            Yes i concur but it still can have a multi faceted outcome depending on
            who’s pulling the sheeples strings but as history shown it often turns
            out bad both for the bystander and the participating sheeple.
            .

    2. Mr Sophistication

      What if human beings were genetically engineered to be slaves or as a bio-weapon?

      1. Mr Sophistication

        ‘Guyver: The Bioboosted Armor”, an anime about a secret society attempting to retrieve advanced ancient technology (a bio-suit) through a shady corporation.
        They discuss the origin of humanity in episode 15
        (Starting @ 03:06 -> https://youtu.be/if1fJNNg0jI )

  14. This is really interesting. Can genetic specialists look at these sequences and detect “interventions”? Apparently, Covid-19 is an example where they have been able to with a virus.
    With Covid-19, the purpose of the intervention seems to have been economic warfare against mainland China. What might have been the aim of any such interventions in humans?

    1. john fleishman

      Look at the diversity within the species of canines that human’s selective breeding of canines has produced; from bull terriors to Newfoundlands to pugs etc. We should never underestimate the power of natural (or unnatural) selection on the traits of a species.

      Now humans have been allowed to be armed with the inchoate science of genetic manipulation, and have the ability to create “chimeric” viruses of which sars covid 19, is but only one of no doubt thousands.
      It remains the intent of the “manipulator” that will determine the traits of his creation.

      We should always keep mindful of fact that the new technologies that are introduced to us plebes are “old tech” to the elites.
      They are are now allowing us to play with viruses—whilst they, all along, been “playing” with us?
      To what end?
      Despite the new tech—the ages old question remains.
      Who created us? Who are we?

      1. Glad you brought up selective breeding and not I. In one’s humble opinion, certain hominid types of the Dr Moreau genre of several bio-safety labs seem to be up to their beakers and test tubes full of offspring. Whether they’re geared toward that secretive Cyborg Incorporated grouping one is not sure at this time.

        Not to long ago certain Party members boasted about living an easy 150 years of age. Probably why some of those state side cancer research centers were hacked into by Party members for the databases they contained. You know, why innovate when you can steal another’s innovations. Those same characters with boasting certain characteristics also implied a super soldier army subservient to the Party of the east by going west and only to the Party members held in high esteem. Sort of like the Jem’Hadar protecting and serving the Great Link of the Dominion of “Star Trek – Deep Space nine.” It seems all the rage these days: first low orbit rocketry, then high orbit space stations, the far side of the Moon, and likely, then onto Mars. Presumably, using the economic system of the west against itself to foot the almost prohibitive cost to do it.

        One’s guess, there’s likely several super soldier type designs on their laboratory slabs awaiting new programming engrams to serve the later day hegemonic class and their bloodlines. Yikes!

  15. They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
    Not a button, or feather, or mark,
    By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
    Where the Baker had met with the Snark.

  16. Once the government finds the alien human hybrids I wonder what they would do?
    Research or ransome?

      1. If this is true, they are obviously of a “baser” sort. In the political “klan”, these people are proving to be the dumbest among us–not the smartest.

        1. It sure seems that way given what has been gotten away with constitutionally. Most folks within the belt-way probably wouldn’t know them if they walked up and shook their hands. Look at what Party members have gotten away with for years in plain sight.

  17. Perhaps I am way off base, here, but the subject of this post leads me to wonder if myth isn’t the causative agent or catalyst for the manifestation of the topological metaphor in action regarding humanity’s recovery of lost memories (i.e., it’s true history).

    Such inferred existence and actions of a covert entity or entities does seem analogous to a collective subconscious at play. How do thoughts, memories, and beliefs come into being, both individually and collectively?

  18. Katherine Szabo

    My own high octane speculation is that “the fall of man” that we learn of in the garden was actually genetic manipulation conducted by non-creators of our species with the cooperation of our ancient ancestors. Maybe it was something akin to the jab which changes our DNA that we are experiencing in today’s world. It changed our moral and spiritual make up. Remember that woman who stated that they killed God after she got her jab?
    Could it be that becoming a Christian might be a way to return to, a chance to become what our creator had intended us to be in the first place? That we were corrupted. That we were not meant to be warlike, competitive, greedy but these traits were genetically placed in us to further an agenda against our creator… oh, I think I have a vid chat question!

    1. After watching some youtube videos on this topic I got the idea that these beings, if they existed, were not immoral and psychopathic. And they didn’t create us to be either. It was only when some of them began to breed with humans that psychopathic tendencies began to manifest in the hybrids and this is what angered these entities and why later they tried to eradicate these hybrids. Later, when these entities retreated, some of these hybrids that may have been spared because they didn’t exhibit psychopathic behaviour too strongly became the Kings of humanity and when they started practicing incest to keep these hybrid traits strong these psychopathic inclinations began to re-emerge. Might be what the current puppet masters behind the curtain might be worried about. If these entities return and find these psychopaths have re-emerged and are running things they may destroy them.

      1. Though I find merit in pieces of this speculation I do think there is room to view some of these as bad. Not only are my Christian views coloring my thoughts, but the ancient texts themselves demonstrate this as well. It is clear these “ancient ones” contained in Hindi, Sumerian, Egyptian, Nordic and Greek traditions were themselves divided over humanity, had competing agendas between them, with some wanting to possess the planet as their own. If history is prelude to future, humanity can never be more than their teachers unless and until we choose to learn from their example. Right now we only imitate. I see this is a problem–and this parody of their behavior may be the heart of what some call the doctrine of “original sin”. Once again I return to past discussions of Lucifer’s Wager.

        1. I don’t really buy into the we are part alien or are the product of alien genetic tinkering. But about 2000 BC, it’s odd that the same sort of civilizations sprung up in the Middle East and South America and they have similar stories about someone teaching them all this. Infinite ways to come up with the sum of 5 and I’ve seen evidence of multiple alternative realities being able co-exist and produce our present. Then again, are these stories or their translations being faked or altered to fit certain narratives? Being lukewarm as a Christian cuts one off so the scriptures say. Are these narratives designed to make as many Christians as possible lukewarm? As a philosopher I entertain many potentials but I don’t really put too much weight in any of them until they or solid evidence of them manifest. I also don’t put to much weight in every book or word of any religion’s scripture either. I trust the real Creator to show me what he wants me to know and what I need to know directly. I may be too lukewarm about everything, but I am what I am.

          1. That’s a Redfield frame of reference. Think I started in that direction when an usher cussed me out on Easter morning for standing in back instead of taking the seat he demanded I fill back in 1974?

          2. Roger, oddly enough I agree with everything you have written here. I am not generally convinced that homo sapiens sapiens was genetically manipulated at creation. Now, I will concede that perhaps there was a hybridization program back in antiquity to make humanity more compliant–something to do to make humans a more manageable race of beings. Those responsible had an agenda–and documented it. If DNA is a transducer then perhaps it is tunable–and that may have some implication on the spiritual front. (Like tuning a piano or another stringed instrument.) This forum is a laboratory of ideas–a safe place where various people can meet and chat about things in a safe zone. High octane speculation is the norm here, so I do engage in a bit from time to time. This is a place where thought experiments can be shared and evaluated by open minded people. My theology is deeply Christian, is shaped deeply in the Orthodox tradition these days and remains very Christocentric in its formulation. Those fallen ones would be very interested in a full scale reconfiguration of humanity genetically and spiritually, would have configured themselves in material form to a superior position to interface, and would have harnessed the genetics to shape humanity into a depraved mirror of themselves to spite God. I have every reason to believe the human race was at the heart of their dispute and anger. It almost appears this story is like the cosmic version of Jacob’s sons against Joseph, whereas God is no Jacob and the jealousy is without proper merit.

      2. As usual, I’m no expert, but I’m not sure I’d agree with you. They have their own morality, which is not the same as that of, for example, the New Testament. I think they are prone to as much psychopathy as “humans” are, which is probably not a coincidence. I tend to agree with Origenschild: humanity follows their example to a large extent.
        One conclusion I have reached is they are afraid of us and our ability to create. Their need to control and manipulate us comes from a place of fear.

  19. Well, yes, it would be welcome if a project like this were to hold archaeologists’ feet to the fire and make it more difficult for them to lie, misdirect and obfuscate as they so often do. However, based on past experience of how our perceptions of our history (and everything else) are closely controlled and manipulated, it is at least as likely that, rather than a long-term project “to test and prove or disprove such speculations,” it is a project intended to enhance that control and manipulation through the dreaded “science.” The Francis Crick Institute is, after all, entirely funded by the British establishment.

  20. In thinking of traits not introduced by nature (or by a Divine hand) perhaps one should look for sloppy splicing and sections where the code appears to be reversed and malfunctioning or non-functioning.

    I often wondered if there are more genetic strands than those 2 identified by Watson & Crick … strands we could not see with our technology because we did not know what to look for or we simply did not know that there are a host of frequencies beyond our range of comprehension.

    Suppose there were 12 or 24 strands of DNA forming a tree with other strands of materials completely unidentified because they were not entirely within the material frame of this universe. I imagine that monkeying around with only 2 strands in such a case we would do profound harm… perhaps that is what was done on previous occasions in ancient times. I can imagine such misguided activities or deliberate actions dooming this race and other living things to an inferior status compared to those who remained genetically intact. And should we dig back far enough we may uncover what we were and then begin to seek to restore us to a perceived “wholeness” or at least parity with others with whom we share this world and universe.

    1. I think it’s pretty clear that at least some of the allegedly dormant human DNA is activated not chemically but spiritually and/or inter-dimensionally.

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