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TROJAN HORSE FOUND?

I cannot help but think of Von Schliemann when I read this story spotted and shared by K.M. In fact, this story is actually a fun story, and yet another warning to those inclined to dismiss ancient epics as not connected to any historical core.

Von Schliemann was the nineteenth century German amateur archaeologist who went entirely against the academic grain of the day, and who thought that Homer's epics about the Trojan War contained a kernel of truth, in this case, that there was a real city of Troy, and that it was located more or less where Homer said it was. While Von Schliemann had misdated his discovery, the fact remains that he had found the ruins of Troy.

Troy was real, not just a myth.

But, where was the horse?

Well, as the article points out, the Trojan Horse part of the Trojan war does not appear in Homer, but rather, in Virgil's Aeneid and other Latin authors.

Here's the story:

Archaeologists Claim They’ve Discovered the Trojan Horse in Turkey

Now note the argument that what has been discovered is the Trojan horse:

Turkish archaeologists claim they have found what they believe are pieces of the Trojan Horse. According to a report by newsit.gr, Turkish archaeologists excavating the site of the historical city of Troy on the hills of Hisarlik have unearthed a large wooden structure. Historians and archaeologists think what they have discovered are remains of the legendary Trojan Horse.

The excavations brought to light dozens of fir planks and beams up to 15 meters (49 feet) long. The remnants were assembled in a strange form, that led the experts to suspect they belong to the Trojan Horse. The wooden structure was inside the walls of the ancient city of Troy. (Boldface emphasis added)

Note only that, the horse has been typically viewed by academics as a metaphor"

Historians suggest that the ancient writer was using the image of the horse as an analogy for a war machine, or even perhaps a natural disaster.

But there's more argument that the discovery could be the infamous horse that brought down invincible Troy:

The structure found fits the description by Virgil, Augustus and Quintus Smyrnaeus. So archaeologists have started to consider that the discovery is indeed the remains of the subterfuge Greeks used to conquer ancient Troy.

Another discovery that supports the archaeologists’ claims is a damaged bronze plate with the inscription “For their return home, the Greeks dedicate this offering to Athena.” Quintus Smyrnaeus refers to the particular plate in his epic poem “Posthomerica.” The plate was also found on the site.

Additionally, carbon-14 dating has placed the remains in roughly the time period for the war:

“The carbon dating tests and other analysis have all suggested that the wooden pieces and other artifacts date from the 12th or 11th centuries B.C.,” says Professor Morris. “This matches the dates cited for the Trojan War, by many ancient historians like Eratosthenes or Proclus. The assembly of the work also matches the description made by many sources. I don’t want to sound overconfident, but I’m pretty certain that we found the real thing!”

If all this should eventually prove to be the case - and as of this writing, it looks persuasive - then it's another subtle blow against the idea that all such ancient texts are just a kind of  "epic science fiction and mythology," and that there might be historical cores to many such texts. But on the other hand, these still have to be handled on a case to case basis.

Somewhere, Von Schliemann is smiling.

See you on the flip side...

 

40 thoughts on “TROJAN HORSE FOUND?”

  1. I am skeptical and therefore smart. I have no basis to call ur religion a myth. Until u tell me I MUST wear no mask, then 1, then 2, then 3 and attribute it to common sense.

    What are the odds that Plato was primrarily an historian? Eye of Africa?

    All interesting. Odd that Turkey found it. Carbon dating fraudulent tech brings in more doibt than anything. Would not one expect to find it in Troy? And would one expect to find nothing since such timbers could be so easily and profitably re used?

    1. Loxie Lou Davie

      For The Eye of Africa….check out Mudfossil Univ. with Roger Spurr!! While there, see if you can find the huge fish there, as well!!

  2. The Library of Pergamon rivaled Alexandria. Their rivalry was fierce. Worth reading this article as it explains how Pergamon gained it name.
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-fierce-forgotten-library-wars-of-the-ancient-world
    This article covers the Pergamon Library and who may have destroyed it.
    https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/library-pergamum-contender-greatest-library-ancient-world-007601
    Anyway, even more interesting is what happened to the Pergamon Alter / Alter of Zeus. I think this warrants a detailed review and discussion by Joseph, as it is now in Berlin at the Pergamon Museum and closed since 2016 to the public until 2024 for “renovation”. Although many people wonder if this is really the reason why it is closed!

    1. probably removed and stored away until their current davos op is over. Didn’t KlausBumSchwab declare these crises continue until 2024?

  3. A thought just occurred to me: could this be a message to someone re: the US 2020 election steal and perhaps the recent Mike Lindell cyber symposium?

    The timing of events supports this, as Trojan Horse could be being used in a double-entendre manner. And then there’s the term “Posthomerica,” which almost sounds like “post-America” or “posthumous-America.”

    Of course, this could be merely pareidolia.

    1. Occurred to me too. Cv1984 cartels as lethally parasitic as they are look like only a distraction from far worse possibilities.

  4. A lot of our true history has been hidden from us. People are ridiculed, and that’s just the way the global elite want it.

    1. Loxie Lou Davie

      So true, Maatkare!! A good example is that of all the giants bones that have been destroyed or hidden away!! Mud Flood pictures of half buried buildings is another example!!

  5. anakephalaiosis

    Troy is the second seaport, next to Jerusalem, that plays a part, in the development of the Druid-Scythian ideology.

    After 715BC, only Troy would have provided passage to Britain, since Jerusalem was de facto under Assyrian control.

    When Troy falls, the Greco-Roman sea powers dominate the Mediterranean, and Scythians take to the rivers, up north.

    Roman invasion, into Britain, triggers Scythian retaliation, and fall of Rome.

    Druid-Scythian ideology:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7zqjhdvk7d21yl0/scythian-for-dummies.jpg

      1. anakephalaiosis

        Settlement of Dan in Ireland, and tin-mining operation in Cornwall, do require mastery of the sea, and a shipbuilding industry, through centuries.

        A chapter, about the tribe of Dan:
        https://www.cbcg.org/booklets/america-britain.html

        A Druid-Scythian ideology is a natural consequence of an open route, between seaports. The 8-point and 32-point compasses are instruments of navigation.

  6. I have seen many documentaries on the Troyan War upholding the truth of both the Illiad and the Odyssey. If the story is true it only confirms the reality behind mythology which is the history the Ministry of History has failed to destroy because they thought nobody would take it seriously enough to find the fire behind the smoke. By the way the Greeks of the Bronze Age called themselves Achaeans and Greece Achaea.

    1. anakephalaiosis

      The Vikings were Scandinavian criminals, who financed their raids, by stealing food, from poor British farmers, while besieging silver treasure in Britain.

      Returning to Scandinavia, the criminals used the stolen silver, to buy mercenaries, for coup d’état, and steal, from those Scandinavians, who rejected the papacy.

      Of course, in the heroic fantasy genre, the brutal backstabbing sounds better, when boosted by Homeric honey tongue.

      Vikings sacking Britain, and Greeks sacking Troy, while working for the Babylon banksters, is no glory at all.

  7. What an unexpected surprise, if the Wood Horse has indeed been found. The Aeneid speaks of it and the once rumored but then discovered Laocoon has pointed at its existence, but if it has survived even in part it seems a miracle. Even after Plutarch tells us how Alexander passed the Hellespont and went to Troy where he sacrificed to Minerva, honored the fallen heroes with libations, and anointed the gravestone of Achilles, we doubt the truths of the Pre-Christian past, a past Christianity sought to dominate and destroy. What drives our desire to discredit the past? To destroy the Temple of Serapis and burn the Great Library of Alexandria, to destroy the accumulated knowledge of Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, and more, to demonize it all and replace it with one book – the Bible. So by all means, may the Wood Horse be resurrected and may it, and Hector, breaker of horses, be remembered.

    1. Yes Haw! Also, as an aside, Alexander was reported as one with extraordinary ability with horses. Came in handy considering his short stature and distances traveled. Then he discovered elephants in India. The rest, as they say, is history.

    2. As I recall, Lactantius, an early Christian apologist, wrote of the Trojan war as if it had really occurred, and somewhat later, as I recall, so did St. Augustine. Perhaps they were a bit more ambivalent regarding ancient myths than you give them credit for. But if, as you say, Christianity was intent to “dominate and destroy,” then it would seem to be a pitiful effort if only the Library of Alexandria was involved in replacing all the old books with just the bible. The book burning piles for Homer should have been lit in Constantinople and all over the Empire, should they not?

    3. Loxie Lou Davie

      Totally agree, Kevin!! It took this Old Lady long time to figure out The Bible was simply a Control Mechanism with which to keep the human race dumbed down & easier to control!! 😉

      Billy Carson has done with his life what I wish I could have with mine…..he has read the majority of the Ancient Manuscripts & books to come up with a more rounded picture of our past!! His “Compendium of The Emerald Tablets” is really mind blowing & I find many concepts & sayings of Jesus contained therein….originally in the sayings of Thoth!!

      There is also the use of mindbending tech he speaks about….concepts that we are just starting to explore now which is kept hidden from the Public!! Soon to be revealed???

  8. I think I sent the article in as well (I sent it to several people) and I have some professionals looking into this. So far they have been unable to find actual papers, links, or even information on the dig in question.

    Which doesn’t mean it isn’t a real discovery, but it does mean the press release may have come out before anything official has been written up about it.

    A lot of stuff tends to come out in the following Spring or early Summer when the excavation reports from the previous season get written up and published.

    I hope it is real (or even a Roman Era Hoax – “Ladies and Gentlemen please h come to Troy and see the real trojan horse for only a Dracma!”

    But what I really hope is that they found it and that once again – Homer was right!

    1. anakephalaiosis

      There are TWO positions:

      1. One can go with Heinrich Schliemann, and wonder, if myths are real or not.

      2. One can go with Herodotus and Euripides, and investigate, what criminality the myths are covering up.

      Occupants have a tendency, to promote themselves as liberators, by honey tongue spin doctors.
      https://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~roehner/oci.pdf

  9. Robert Barricklow

    Sometimes the metaphor works better in the story; sometimes the real myth is better; sometimes , you can’t beat them both being true.
    I was thinking of this a few. days ago. I thought, the further back in time one goes; those metaphors and objects associated w/them, were truly lost in translation. Meaning, that both the metaphor and the object may have been totally skewered from reality.

    Like the Twilight Zone’s, To Serve Man.
    Where the Bible, turns out to be a Cook Book.
    And the translator’s goose is cooked.

    1. Robert Barricklow

      By time, I mean not the recent time of Trojan Horse; I mean the truly ancient times. I think Dr. Farrell described them as “paleoancient”; as in Cosmic War[s], and as Dr. Farrell described them – in terms of “symbols”.
      Dr. Farrell know quite a bit about ancient stories, symbols, metaphors and translations.
      I should have asked Dr. Farrell, in in one of my vid chat questions,
      about the phenomena of: “lost in translation”; especially, in respect to time.

      1. Right. Always wondered about the wrist watches – carved in stone – worn by depicted giant “gods” in carved in stone/clay tablets from Babylonian olden times. The baskets carried said to represented the seeding of life.

        P.S. dental matters should be revisited, IMHO. Sharks got a better deal.

  10. Graham Hancock’s website features the latest article from Alexandros Angelis, author of Our Unknown Ancient Past: Thoughts and Reflections on the Unexplained Mysteries of Prehistory, as its featured author for this August. In his book, Alexandros presents evidence supporting the theory of an advanced prehistoric civilization lost to a natural disaster. The remnants of its existence having been preserved in ancient mythology and knowledge passed down through the ages. In his article, Alexandros explores ancient Greek mythology including Troy, artefacts and language, presenting the historical truths and advanced ancient knowledge hidden within.
    https://grahamhancock.com/angelisa1/

  11. Yes, those poor, benighted ancients and their wild imaginations!

    Ah, historians… clutching the myth of eternal linear progress… basking in the hubris of a modernity that sees itself as the height of human evolution. I can think of few wilder imaginings than the idea that the Trojan horse was “an analogy for… a natural disaster”!

    1. Richard D. Hall did a few interviews with those fellows that are worth checking out on his site. I haven’t read their work yet. I’d include the link but his site mysteriously goes down every time he posts a new show about the scamdemic and it is presently down again….

  12. I love history and archeology. I love it when the old stores are proven accurate against the prevailing tide of academic priggishness. If this discovery is the real deal —I would like to see more about it. In any event, the mainstream professors, If they can tear themselves away from Marxism, will acknowledge the truth of it in about 40 years.

    God bless Von Schliemann: guys like him make learning fun.

  13. The horse was a widespread cult object so finding pieces of a statue – large ones would have been hollow – is not very surprising.

  14. anakephalaiosis

    In the 7th century, the Greeks enter into the Scythian-Assyrian war, by backstabbing Troy, and Persians destroy Athens in retaliation.

    It is the hidden connection, between Assyrians and Greeks, that is the dirty deal. Those instigating wars are still at large, doing empire.

    Britons claim Trojan origin. Scandinavians claim both Scythian, and Trojan origin. Someone seeks to cut that connection.

    Apostolic-Scythianism is nightmare for papacy, because of the cheers, at the cranial cups:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7zqjhdvk7d21yl0/scythian-for-dummies.jpg

      1. anakephalaiosis

        One need sea ports, to maintain an overseas Scythian-British connection, and that was the route of the ancient tin trade. The Assyrian objective was to control the sea port of Jerusalem, by deporting the ten tribes, while leaving the trade center intact.

        The geographical alternative is Troy, and the Greek destruction of Troy supports the Assyrian attempt, to isolate the tribe of Dan’s settlement in Ireland. Assyria lost control, when the ten tribes broke free, and developed mounted archery, on the steppe.

        Succession of empires leave money trails, that disclose banking operations, when investigating, who did what to whom, and why. Especially, when the streets of Athens are covered in blood, and Herodotus and Euripides start looking for answers.

        Since fall of Troy was casus belli, then there is an attempt, to cover it up, as a mere myth, dislocated in time. Since papacy is threatened by Scythian ideology, today’s papal agenda is to maintain that myth.

        Scythian ideology:
        https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7zqjhdvk7d21yl0/scythian-for-dummies.jpg

        1. anakephalaiosis

          Modern Jerusalem, that is promoted, as special resort, for special people, with special interests, has today only one real purpose, and that is to control the archeological digs.

          Two ancient sea ports, Jerusalem and Troy, that were ancient gateways, to Britain, explain the footsteps of the British forebears, that papacy seeks to keep in darkness.

          Parasitic pretenders are the Babylon banksters, who today sit on Scandinavian thrones, as Court Jews, proven and documented, and they are the perpetrators causing the fall of Troy.

          Scandinavians are of Scythian and Trojan origin:
          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7zqjhdvk7d21yl0/scythian-for-dummies.jpg

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