Cosmic Warfare

RUSSIA’S MIG-41: A SPACEPLANE?

As you can tell, this week we've had a "space concentration" and that's because many people sent space related stories. In any case, for some years we've been hearing of airplanes that can take off and land like a normal airplane, but journey to the edges of - if not to - outer space. The SR-71 "blackbird" spy plane was almost capable of it; the rumored "Aurora" aircraft is supposedly capable of it, and with Russia and China both testing hypersonic missiles the capability is certainly there. The advantages of such a technology both to the military and civilian spheres would be obvious: no specialized launch facilities would be needed, an aircraft could take off and land normally, and perhaps not much extra specialized training would be needed.

Well, Russia is making the claim that its next generation fighter jet - the Mikoyan or MIG-41 - will  be able to do just that (thanks to M.D. for spotting and sharing this story):

Russia Says Its MiG-41 Fighter Will Fly in Outer Space

The claims being made for this unseen fighter are rather astonishing:

It's the alleged capabilities of the MiG-41 that raise a few eyebrows. The MiG-41 will have a speed of almost 3,000 miles per hour, according to a recent article by Russia news organization RIA Novosti (Google translation here). That would translate into a speed of about Mach 3.5. RIA Novosti terms the MiG-41 a “hypersonic” aircraft, though hypersonic is usually defined as speeds greater than Mach 5 (3,836 miles per hour). It will also be armed with hypersonic missiles, and the aircraft can even be turned into a drone.

As if that isn't enough, Ilya Tarasenko, director general of the MiG corporation, told Russian television that the MiG-41 will have unique capabilities. “In particular, it will be be invisible to enemy radars and even be able to work in outer space,” according to RIA Novosti.

Invisibility to enemy radars—known to the rest of the world as stealth—isn't exactly new or surprising for a twenty-first-century jet fighter. But the reference to “outer space” puzzled even Russian media.

“What exactly is meant by this, he, unfortunately, did not specify,” lamented RIA Novosti, which did note that the MiG-31 can launch small satellites into orbit. Which isn't quite the same thing as the MiG-41 launching itself into orbit.

Outer space is generally considered to begin sixty-two miles high, or 327,000 feet. In 1963, a NASA X-15 aircraft reached an altitude of sixty-seven miles high, which remained a world record until the Space Shuttle (considered an aircraft rather than a spacecraft for this purpose) first flew in 1981.

The US Air Force already has a kind of space plane with its drone, capable of taking off and landing normally, and capable of reaching outer space. The Mig-41, it is claimed, could be either a manned or unmanned platform.

So let's assume that all these claims are not simply a propaganda exercise of the sort that nations indulge in when they're trying to persuade other nations not to interfere with or attack them, and deal with the claims themselves. The first thing to note is that if the claims are true, the Mig-41 would be the first public acknowledgement that space will be weaponized. While most of us probably think it already has been weaponized, most of the great powers are denying it has. The second thing to note is how high does "capable of going into outer space" mean? At the minimum, as the article notes, space is considered to begin at 62 miles (or about 100 kilometers). Low earth orbit satellites' orbits generally begin at about 1oo-120  miles or about 190 kilometers. Assuming the Mig-41 could reach to nearly low earth orbit, it becomes a platform which could launch hyper-sonic missiles to satellite targets. Assuming it could go much higher and farther than that, the Mig-41 would be a genuine satellite interceptor and perhaps even an earth-bombardment platform; after all, a hyper-sonic missile can just as easily be an inert kinetic weapon, a "rod of God."

But why develop such a capability to begin with? A glance at international treaties regarding space use, exploration, and weapons provides a clue: as they read now, they ban the stationing of weapons in space, i.e., they ban the basing of weapons in space. An aircraft such as the Mig-41 - if such a thing can ever be successfully designed  (and I certainly believe it can) - would be based or stationed on Earth, and carry weapons to space, and return to Earth.

So what's really going on here? To put it bluntly, we've been given a glimpse of how the space powers intend to skirt existing treaties. From there, it's a short step to the public acknowledgement of what is probably already true: space has already been secretly weaponized.

See you on the flip side...

23 thoughts on “RUSSIA’S MIG-41: A SPACEPLANE?”

  1. Well, there is one thing from which one needs to start to understand, what kind of propulsion might be used. Primary state of matter is plasma, anything else seems to be derived from it ( isotope ? ). Second thing are superconductors and how they operate (magnetically being sealed of off outside hence being unaffected by outside condisions). Now imagine aeroplane fitted with superconducting coils(?),which would generator plasma around plane.This would make possibile to achive hypersonic speeds while useing conventional jet engines plus any radar Beam would have have a hard time to actually get a lock on such a plane because plasma bubble around plane acts as active jamming without active jamming….two bieda with one stone.

  2. Treaties schedule wars.
    Wars schedule treaties.
    The 20th century should have taught us that.
    Maybe it did.

  3. Shades of Ben Rich how advanced is our aero-spacecraft really what is the real Mach speed to achieve orbit. For the last fifty years, we have been subjected to NASA KABUKI THEATER OF SLOW BOAT TO CHINA space probes around the solar system another twelve-year trip to one of the gas giants is being prepared to be launched our space program seems to be run by a crime syndicate out to milk the citizens of their last penny.

  4. Perhaps a new treaty would address any and all take-offs and launches by issuing notifications and warnings.

  5. Robert Barricklow

    In Sept 2020 China successfully launched a reusable craft, dubbed a “spaceplane” which cruises in low Earth orbit and return to the planet in one piece, landing horizontally[U.S. did it in 2010].
    The 1967 Outer Space Treaty is obviously out of date. The treaty reflected the times where politics were entrenched in and sick of war, and outer space was a canvas “they” wanted to narrate as perilous but pristine. Forget about the atomic explosions in space circuit 1962.

    Running late…
    White Rabbit

    1. Robert Barricklow

      Both the U.S. and Soviets exploded nuclear bombs at high altitudes that year; including one by the Soviets that caused a fire in a power station in Kazakhstan.
      Several of these tests took place that October during the Cuban missile crisis. The in August, the U.S., U.K., and the Soviet Union signed a treaty prohibiting the further testing of nukes in space.
      The other issues were dealt w/in the 1967 treaty.
      It was a good treaty, but the times have caught up to it; especially w/the formation of the U.S. Space Command.
      One of the reasons is the civilian dependence on satellites is higher than ever, plus American military dependence on satellites is near total; relying on something that’s getting too risky in protecting.
      The threats to nuclear command satellites are absolutely out of bounds.
      Signal jamming occurs regularly in space w/o repercussions; it’s routine.
      Between these two poles; is a vast, murky middle: “dazzling”[temporary disabling via lasers];microwaves; robotic arms manipulation; chemical spray; cyber; and more.
      So two organization are drawing up rules w/inputs from various nation states.
      That’s where the U.S. Space Force came to official being.
      General Raymond said, “I ‘m not confident that we can achieve victory, or says, even compete in a modern conflict w/o space power. And I am not willing to lose in order to learn.”
      The treaty was effectively colored gone.

  6. Haven’t seen @goshawks on here in a while, but I always enjoy his point of view on all things aeronautical in nature. Hopefully he chimes in.

    1. Robert Barricklow

      I think he is truly gone.
      An accident; like a car, falling off the roof, any number of accident scenarios.
      In other words, nothing nefarious.

      Miss his presence, as many here do.

    2. I remember his last post, it was something of esoteric nature and he said that it really didn’t belong on a blog like this. Maybe that’s it?

      1. anakephalaiosis

        Today, ordinary satellites are narrowly seen, as parked drones, that are sitting ducks in orbit.

        A multifunctional “satellite” drone taxi, able to launch itself – by autopilot – is a merge of carrier craft and relay station.

        Such a drone taxi would be able to take cargo, place itself in geostationary orbit, function as relay station, and return to earth.

        Outer space = geostationary parking lot, for robots and bureaucrats!

    1. anakephalaiosis

      Referring to the linked article. Anglo-Saxon is a branch of the greater Saxon, that is Scythia of the unbound Isaacs, from the Holy Writ.

      Papacy has suppressed this knowledge, as heathen, to gain mind control of the Saxon, through brainwash of fake Christianity.

      When realizing, that “unbound Isaac” is a code word – for emigration – leaving the ancient Israelite reservation, then the papal spell becomes undone.

      It explains the parable of Isaac on the altar.

  7. Off topic. The European “Green Pass” system for cross-border travel has been hacked with valid QR codes being issued in various names including… Adolf Hitler. Eurocrats are holding urgent meetings today and issuing “reassuring” press releases. Any Gizar can be sure that this is not just a prank, but a clear signal by one or more factions to the “Fourth Reich” oligarchs whose power seems to be mainly circumscribed to France and Italy. This may prove to be the death knell for what I call the Nazi Pass here in Italy.

    1. Just don’t let the Eurocrats get away with a bait-and-switch like “These apps have proved to be insecure, so we need to tie them to a biometric ID.” Best wishes to all the Gizars in Europe! Please reject and resist the Nazi Pass!

  8. I think what is potentially happening in Space / Outer Earth Orbit needs to be addressed philosophically with deep and considered thought.
    The human race and some other simians are essentially aggressive, competitive and nihilistic in their make up. (also watch how our closest primates – Chimpanzees can behave quite viciously to each other).
    Does this trait inherently have something to do with humans evolving from carnivorous apes – the hunt, blood, kill, etc?
    Conversely, other simians such as Gorillas, the largest living primates, function in a well-developed social structure and usually (except when directly threatened by humans) exhibit positive, kind, gentle and benevolent behavior and emotions including laughter and sadness (see the David Attenborough documentaries). Gorillas are herbivorous animals. They stick to a mainly vegetarian diet, feeding on stems, bamboo shoots and fruits. Western lowland gorillas also have an appetite for termites and ants, and break open termite nests to eat the larvae.
    I think the ending of the film King Kong, a gentle gorilla who was ensnared and humiliated by humans and was ultimately destroyed by humans and their weaponry on top of the Empire State Building in New York City illustrates the above hypothesis very well.

    1. anakephalaiosis

      1. Human does not exist, only man, and man’s race is cyclical stream, flow and run in time, and runes trace man’s footsteps, in a 32-point compass (卐).

      2. Animal instincts are demons beneath the road. They are brought to surface, in moments of great peril. A Pendragon controls his dragon.

      3. Hypersensitivity understands both wolf and rabbit, as bloodthirst and fear of death. That is why man becomes a tree, in equilibrium.

      Tolkien’s ents, with mislaid Ent wives, are sticks and stones, that erode mountains. Ents are not orcs, who once were elves.

    2. Gorillas and chimps have turned out to be less vegan than first thought. And far more aggressive. Hard to see without Jane Goodall like dedication and time- and even then it took years to see.

      FWIW, keto/paleo diets when done skillfully entail far less meat intake than most people think too. Many of the most skilled using that diet and gaining high performance in endurance and athletics eat less animal protein than most other diets except staunch vegans.

  9. anakephalaiosis

    Space reptilians were up in arms, about Scythian satellites, with self-launching capability, being used, as local pirate taxi, in hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy.

    HOGWARTS IN SCOTLAND 2

    Lizzy Lizard expired, at Hadrian’s wall,
    when Picts heeded Jacob’s call,
    and upheld sworn duty
    reclaiming booty,
    by Stone of Scone ancestral.

    Earl Grey riddle:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qmp6qxil1ewow10/iq-test.jpg

    Parry Hotter ABC:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/pnz9jpb73u1gfla/druidry-for-dummies.pdf

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