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NASA, ET, AND THE VATICAN

I'm taking an odd chance today to blog about a story that caught my eye over the Christmas break, and that I had fully intended to blog about, and then the heart attack happened. But I still want to blog about it, and as I mentioned, I will do as many blogs/week as I am capable.  That may add up to zero, or seven, I do not know. Today at least I have a little residual energy. so here we go.

Many of you noticed this story and passed it along, so I'd like to thank all of you for doing so. What's the story? NASA, it seems, is hiring "theologians" to help it determine what to do in case "we" encounter  "them" "out there" in the future. But there's a catch, and it makes me very skeptical:

NASA 'looks to the heavens' for help: Agency enlisted 24 theologians to assess how the world would react to the discovery of alien life on distant planets and how it might change our perception of gods and creation

Note that one "theologian" is a biochemist:

The Rev Dr Andrew Davison, a priest and theologian at the University of Cambridge with a doctorate in biochemistry from Oxford, ...

and another is a Jesuit astronomer(though not mentioned as part of NASA's panel):

In 2008, the Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of 'extraterrestrial brothers' perhaps more evolved than humans.

'In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists,' said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict.

'How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere,' he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano in an interview in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition, explaining that the large number of galaxies with their own planets made this possible.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: 'Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis'

And then finally, we have the usual bow to an American Baptist to remind people of just how backward those confessions are:

Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in a 2008 interview when asked if there are such thing as aliens: 'The answer is no; that’s speculative.

'We have no reason to believe there is any other story out there. There is nothing in Scripture that says there can’t be some form of life somewhere. But what we are told is that the cosmos was created in order that on this planet Jesus Christ, in space and time and history, would come to save sinful humanity.'

You'll have noted that the Baptist is, in fact, the only recognizable theologian in the bunch because he likes to talk about standard types of Christian things, like the Incarnation itself.  I disagree - profoundly - with his "take,", but nonetheless, his take is at least recognizably Christian.

But with NASA, I noticed a distinct tendency in the choice and selection, one that suggests to me that NASA is far more intent on controlling a narrative - with the Vatican's help - than it is exploring any really deeply theologically argued answers to its questions. Questions like - oh, I don't know - the meaning of the terms ousia and physis in dogmatic definitions, and whether or not they refer to species, phyla, order and so on(directly related to the question at hand); or whether the ancient microcosmism, and the "cosmological passages" of some Scripture like Romans 8:19-22ff have implications for such questions, or "How Might the Cappadocian Fathers have addressed the question?"  My point with all of this is that NASA doesn't even know such questions, or people, exist. It has done what the West always does: Default to Roman Catholicism for an answer, not realizing that the answer may and probably will change depending on whom one asks. This does not mean that  there is confusion, but rather, nuance, and NASA does not want nuance, and it certainly does not want to confer with the only terrestrial space power out there that not only has a space program, but a church with an equally long tradition as the Vatican.

So colour me skeptical here: an institution (the papacy), that can justify burning people alive for their viewpoints,  that can turn its back on its own centuries of liturgical tradition at Vatican II in order to reinforce its claims about itself, and gut the faith of millions of its own followers in the process, is not in institution I'm inclined to listen to on the matter, especially since NASA does not seem to know how to ask the right questions in the right order, and as I used to try to tell my theological students way back when, the right questions, in the right order, are always crucial to theology.

See you on the flip side...

 

38 thoughts on “NASA, ET, AND THE VATICAN”

  1. Mark Sean de Cantual

    At this point in time, it would not surprise me if the communicated outcome of their deliberations, is to be that NASA and the Vatican both now agree that Galileo and the Solar centric nature was both erroneous and an heretical insult to geocentric theory. Just another exercise in gaslighting to add more confusion into the mix that is the Mass Formation in play. 😉

    Blessings for a rapid recovery Dr Farrell …. Beannacht (Blessing) from the much loved and late Irish theologian, poet and philosopher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYnWCophIM

  2. Will take the time to read all the comments later .
    Just want to share a moment .
    About 12 years ago there was a program on Belgian television on “NAZI daughters “.
    nothing special u would say , It was solely about nazi daughters from ex leaders in nazi germany.
    While i was watching a women was talking about her fathers nazi past and her secret life, she was seated in a big sofa like chair ( exuse my choice of words as i am native to the englisch language ) and just behind her was this huge statue or alien doll , just like the ones that supposedly been captured in the varga crash in Brasil ! I know it might not be of any importance as she might just have had a interest in aliens like i do ( heheh ) but anyway…. i waited till late in the evening as they where going to repeat the program, so had my cam ready and too a photo of the screen with the alien. I forgot about who the lady was but must have been a daughter of a very high ranking nazi ! Another thing was Rudolf Hess , why he had only one thing up on his prison wall namely a Huge moonmap from both sides and pinpoints. could this be the reason why they kept him alive for so long “Aliens ” and Flugscheiben???

  3. anakephalaiosis

    Moloch is communism through history, and alien endorsing alien, is parasite endorsing itself.

    Julio-Claudian dynasty deified itself, and continues to do so, to be worshipped as idol.

    Papacy is a pretender, a fraudulent scam, that places pretending parasites on thrones, as infiltrating enemy agents.

    Realisation, that geometry is the origin in Genesis, produces a cohesive narrative, based on mathematics.

  4. Another Societal Implications of Astrobiology in 1999 http://www.astrosociology.org/library/pdf/nasa-workshop-report-societal-implications-of-astrobiology.pdf

    WORKSHOP ON THE SOCIETAL IMPLICATIONS OF ASTROBIOLOGY FINAL REPORT
    AMES RESEARCH CENTER November 16-17, 1999 revised 2001

    Also Societal Implications of life on Mars published in 2020
    Then –
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318210449_Astrobiology_and_Society_-_A_White_Paper_on_Societal_Implications_of_Astrobiology_Research_in_Europe_Today

    Also – see
    Religion the built environment by CTI Center of Theological Inquiry – can’t put link as it sends my comments into moderation.

    It’s almost as if they were prepping. See also Michael UK post in comments section

    1. Well there is microbial life growing on the OUTSIDE of the International Space Station. Some potentially alien. I suspect most will get a little excited at first but once they realize it doesn’t immediately affect them will quickly lose interest. Most have short attention spans and very little interest in anything that doesn’t immediately affect them. https://www.sciencealert.com/living-bacteria-from-outer-space-found-clinging-to-iss-alien-life

  5. Another Societal Implications of Astrobiology in 1999 http://www.astrosociology.org/library/pdf/nasa-workshop-report-societal-implications-of-astrobiology.pdf

    WORKSHOP ON THE SOCIETAL IMPLICATIONS OF ASTROBIOLOGY FINAL REPORT
    AMES RESEARCH CENTER November 16-17, 1999 revised 2001

    Also Societal Implications of life on Mars published in 2020
    Then –
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318210449_Astrobiology_and_Society_-_A_White_Paper_on_Societal_Implications_of_Astrobiology_Research_in_Europe_Today
    Also –
    Religion the built environment by CTI Center of Theological Inquiry
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5935c0193e00be0a5b691822/t/61927c0be0f95d709514d277/1636989965554/Research+Report+2-Religion+%26+the+Built+Environment+DIGITAL+final2-smallersize.pdf

    It’s almost as if they were prepping. See also Michael UK post in the comments section.

    1. https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/the-occult-symbolism-of-the-vaticans-2020-nativity-scene/
      In Conclusion
      In a way, this year’s Nativity scene is a sad reflection of the year 2020. It is a collection of expressionless and socially-distanced figures who do not interact with each other while standing under the neon glow of phone and computer screens.

      It also reflects how the occult elite reared its ugly head this year, poisoning every aspect of our lives with its toxic agenda. Through a display that is thoroughly anti-Christian, the elite sought to prove that its toxic ideology is also embedded in the Vatican.

      While “Monumental Nativity” was created decades ago, it was selected for this year’s 2020 Nativity scene for a specific reason: It contains specific symbols while conveying a specific energy. Like everything else that happened this year, this scene is about showcasing the control of the elite and the demoralization of the masses.
      https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/12/01/191201b.html
      Apostolic Letter “Admirabile signum” of the Holy Father Francis on the meaning and importance of the Nativity Scene, 01.12.2019
      The enchanting image of the Christmas crèche, so dear to the Christian people, never ceases to arouse amazement and wonder. The depiction of Jesus’ birth is itself a simple and joyful proclamation of the mystery of the Incarnation of the Son of God. The nativity scene is like a living Gospel rising up from the pages of sacred Scripture…..Why does the Christmas crèche arouse such wonder and move us so deeply? First, because it shows God’s tender love..4. I would like now to reflect on the various elements of the nativity scene in order to appreciate their deeper meaning…..5. With what emotion should we arrange the mountains, streams, sheep and shepherds in the nativity scene!
      6. It is customary to add many symbolic figures to our nativity scenes.7. Gradually, we come to the cave, where we find the figures of Mary and Joseph. 8. When, at Christmas, we place the statue of the Infant Jesus in the manger, the nativity scene suddenly comes alive. God appears as a child, for us to take into our arms…not in 2020…9. As the feast of Epiphany approaches, we place the statues of the Three Kings in the Christmas crèche. Observing the star, – not in 2020, no star, and they follow the executioner and the astronaut…Great joy comes over them in the presence of the Infant King. They are not scandalized by the poor surroundings, but immediately fall to their knees to worship him. Kneeling before him, they understand that the God who with sovereign wisdom guides the course of the stars also guides the course of history, casting down the mighty and raising up the lowly.
      2020 gave us something very different, and a different message.

  6. From the Baptist minister it does not surprise me he is what the Romans called an educated barbarian but with flat earthers and even a woman who believes Rome didn’t exist, I kid you not I learned of her via YouTube Metronon. As for the Vatican its legitimacy is dodgy at best the term Bishop and Diocese were officers and administrative territories of the late Roman Empire. A more accurate term would be Patriarch rather than Pope. By the way what’s up with Worldpress I can’t vote up or down on the website anymore?

  7. “N.A.S.A.” = “Never A Straight Answer”. NASA’s working with the Vatican as the “know all” on Christianity shows they apparently are not interested in asking an honest straight question either!

  8. You’re a very lucky man Dr. Farrell. So sorry we almost lost you and it sounds like you were due for an overhaul. Can’t keep a good man down, they say and I know that’s in the cards for you, so get well soon!

  9. Seems odd to say, WELCOME BACK Dr Farrell!

    Each individual is entitled to their first impression of the [Others] no matter who allows them to perceive them [the Others] as they are – whether expected or after the individuals first primeval-shock-reaction – discovering that some [Others] do not seem to be from around here (where ever that ‘here’ may be on planet Terra). Including theologians as they are not any exception from the rest of this upright-simian grouping encountering the Others for the first time now or then.

    It may come as something of a shocker to the ego’s and self-esteem of those who thought they knew better from their lofty positions of access and opportunity, but those folks that have already met one or several of the Others do not need disclosure or approval to serve the individuals Being and personal validation. It smacks slightly of an insult even over reach by presumed authority that it would be needed.That “thumbs-up” non-sense (or thumbs-down) only serves the social media paradigm of hand held device users who allow it to over rule their liberties and freedoms. It is somewhat of vane arrogance that such approval must be awarded by certain control classes in the first place. Discernment seems far better a goal.

    At any rate, they (the power brokers insisting it is their way or the highway) may start by stopping the lies that hide the secrets.

    In any case, it would be interesting what secrets the Vatican, from their point of disclosure or not, thought necessary to be withheld or edited out of subsequent editions of their writings from the Fathers forward.

  10. Joseph, I’m sure you have had a lot well wishes, so I’ll keep it brief. I had a life change in my early 50s. I quit smoking my 3 packs a day cigs and quit whiskey. I’m over 80 and am decent health and still walk in the woods occasionally. God be with you…. and good be with you.

  11. The Vatican and aliens, well the truth is that if ET does turn up, it “SHOOTS DOWN, DESTROYES, OBLITERATES everything that the Catholic religion stands for and they are sheet scared that it may just happen.

  12. If according to scriptures Angels and Demons or Jinns (both good and not so) exist,what is all the fuss about? In my opinion,.All humans need do is to espouse moral virtues and obey Natural Law,therefore attracting all that is ,was and will always remain Good.Gosh,sounds like I’m preaching. Sorry Doc.Big welcome back.You take care now,you hear……

  13. I’d like to add the right questions in the right order as I found them in studying and accepting the Order of the Universe: (See my previous comment January 10, 2022, 2:25)
    1. Who Am I?
    2. Where did I come from?
    3. Where am I going?

  14. Carolyncatgoyda

    Wow so joyed to see you healthy enough to be posting again please take care and stay strong.

    Well you have to understand NASA has to get Fourth Reich approval of any consulting or employment issues. I’m really surprised there’s anybody except Vatican rat-line participants or their spiritual “descendants”, or a few Tibetan monks.

    This is just one more scripted piece of the upcoming blue beam theater to feign any real research Interest in the quest for life .. or contact.

    But
    This will help the vaccinated masses of comatose-penial-gland serfs be amenable to extraterrestrial hype, soap opera , and basic bullshit.

    Personally
    I’m looking forward to the upcoming NASA sponsored ”Saturday night live’ guitar mass with the CERN dancers and singers bringing their theatrics and perhaps singing Kumbaya …

    IMHO
    Peace hugs and purrs
    C🌹G

    1. Agree. Especially the “pineal” gland reference. Makes me think of signs at carnivals stating one must be at least this tall to ride. S/B must be this intelligent to be considered relevant.

  15. Here’s the Order of the Universe:

    Humans and animals have to eat of the plant world, (vegetarian or meat eater)
    The plant world eats from the soil, (The Earth we live on)
    The soil is made up of minerals and elements and (See some Periodic table)
    The elements are made up of atoms, ( and light from the sun)
    and the atoms are made up of sub-atomic particles ( quarks, protons, electrons)
    These particles are made up of energy, (visible and invisible)
    Energy is constantly vibrating from yin to yang and yang to yin constantly
    forever, always changing, thereby infinite:
    Infinity is god/God, God,god is infinity, called in mathematics or science Infinity, in religions infinity is called God, and in poetry it is called love.
    There you have it.
    The God or the infinity is not a static or fixed phenomenon. It is the ever changing, ever evolving, beginningless beginning and endless end, embracing all that there is in a dynamic perpetual change.
    It’s like this: THE TRUTH is that everything changes, and the simplest explanation is the Order of the Universe as stated above. I hope this clears up everything.

  16. Greetings Dr. Farrell,

    I was very happy to see your wonderful sense of humor and a suspicious mind 🙂 are going strong! I had not known you were sick. It sounds like quite an ordeal and I’m so glad you are still here with us and the other “aliens”, aka: bloglidites of this site! My husband also wishes you his best.

    I’m guessing they want to know how to make the alien look in the blue beam technology. These two fine organizations, NASA and the Vatican (sounds like a band) are transhumanists to the core. I don’t know if you ever saw this but there is a video of two “alter boys” putting on Klaus Schawb’s vestment. They may have kissed his ring, I can’t remember, but they were definitely putting on his vestment. It is that weird brownish, futuristic uniform looking item he wears sometimes. That is when I realized I am seeing a priest of a new religion. I am guessing they are doing a focus group type of action here to see what might appeal to people. It’s very cynical and of course, evil.

  17. If NASA is seeking to develop a narrative that reduces the shock of a discovery of new sentient life forms, then one chapter of the report could be titled : New Missionary Opportunities.

  18. How DOES one drag a Middle Ages religious concept in to the point where we now know there are a myriad of “lifeforms” out there & inside our planet, as well???

    Since I used to be a part of that mindset, I can speak to it!! 😉 I have found Billy Carson’s “Compendium of The Emerald Tablets” to be an eye opener on our view of The Universes & our place in them!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Mighty Spirit of Light that shines through The Cosmos. Draw my flame closer in harmony to thee.
    Lift up my fire from out of the darkness, Magnet of fire that is One with The All.”

    Lift up my Soul, thou mighty & potent, Child of the Light, turn not away.
    Draw me with power to melt in thy furnace, One with All Things & All Things in One.
    Fire of the life-strain & one with The Brain.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I do like what Billy says, ” ‘God’ is a frequency that we tune in to!”

  19. First, Dr. Farrell, best wishes on your recovery. It is good to hear from you. You are a beacon of insight.
    On this NASA consultation with theologians, the past two years have demonstrated to Houston a huge problem. To mask or not to mask, that is the question. The same could be said for vaccines. Assuming for the sake of argument that masks and vaccines are scientifically justified in reducing the spread and severity of a covid virus, note the intense resistance over the past almost two years to first masks and now both masks and vaccines. GOP politics and evangelical Christians have fueled this resistance. Regardless of the justifications for such resistance, the issue is the resistance itself. How does a society respond to what may or may not be an existential threat? How does a society even decide something is a threat? And how does it weigh the risk as mild, moderate, or severe?
    We have not done so well in our response as a society to “Covid.”
    So how will we respond to the disclosure that we don’t have a new virus to deal with, we have instead Extraterrestrials? It’s not Sidney Poitier coming to dinner, it’s ET? One Christian response over the centuries has been to demonize those who don’t have Christian beliefs. The likelihood that ET races will not have Christian beliefs is what, 90%? And that 10% with such beliefs is likely to be from a time traveling race that created the Hebrew god and the Abrahamic religions to create a foundation for strict obedience to a higher authority or “god” that could be used to influence those believers in the future when they return as “god.”
    Now in America, the level of trust in government, science, media, and politics is very low. We are a powder keg. It seems every source of information has an agenda. We don’t know what those agendas are and we’ve been taught to be mistrustful of those who seem different from us, fellow Americans, fellow human beings. So when NASA says ET is here, what is the likelihood we will trust ET or NASA’s opinion about why ET is here? We will never reach a consensus that we have enough information, valid and reliable, on which to evaluate the ET presence or threat.
    So NASA is turning to theologians? For what? Guidance as to how to conduct a focus group to figure out how to break the news about ET to Americans? That ET is here? That some are here to help us? Some to hurt or enslave us? Some to contain us before we spread to other systems or destroy the rich diversity of life on earth?
    NASA may be turning to theologians but what they need are the gods themselves.

  20. Hey Joseph, long time reader and sometimes commentator here. I just saw the news about your heart trouble and wanted to wish you luck in your recovery. Watching you throughout the years, the uniqueness of your analysis was always paired with your heavy chain smoking. As it stands now, you clearly know the risks and you’re at a point where it probably doesn’t make sense to stop. So, with that said, and not said in a chiding manner to change your behavior (which would be hypocritical since I’m a consumer of nicotine too), I wish you the best of luck with your health and your future endeavors. I just found your book The Third Way on CERN and I’m looking forward to supporting you via that purchase.

    Take care of yourself and don’t allow yourself to get too worked up as you heal from your MI. Heart attacks can have serious consequences for your extraordinary cognition and to see you fall again would be an enormous tragedy. Praying for a good outcome for you. Please remember, take it easy for now!

  21. Robert Barricklow

    First; good the see you back-in-the-saddle again!
    Second; it’s showtime for NASA – acting out their scripted plays.
    The script?[written by AI, of course.]
    Stripping everything sacred, and replacing the divine[intelligence]
    w/machine[AI]/intelligence.
    That also applies to when[page 666 on the script?]
    “we” encounter the special the “alien” effects extravaganza?

    Oops!
    I had to laugh out loud;
    when I read about the theologian being a Jesuit biologist.
    What a coincidence!
    Doctorate Oxford?

    Writing the scripts to extract the divine
    to replace the divine, in toto w/the machine?
    [enemy action]!

  22. I think this is hilarious and scary in equal measure. Just what we need, more narrative controlling the minds of the weary masses. They almost always speak in terms of aliens coming from other galaxies, but never bring up the possibility of inter-dimensional travel. They always speak of them as a threat, and never a benevolent. The universe is not only massive – it’s all there is and far beyond my comprehension in size and especially scope. Threat and the need for more lockdown and control measure IS the coming narrative if they decide to pull this trick out of their black bag.

    I understand someone once asked Eleanor Roosevelt if she believe in reincarnation. She replied something to the effect that she didn’t see it as any more miraculous than being born the first time. I don’t know how the universe works exactly, but thought that was a good answer. By extension, we’re here, so perhaps there are others capable of reaching us in this dimension. Given NASA’s reputation, I’m not even certain I’ll believe it when I see it.

    I almost kind of wish they’d just bring it on — our current political environment is getting tedious. Even if it’s a complete sham, it might move things a long. Got my foil hat ready to go!

  23. Joseph,
    Here is link to Rev Dr Andrew Davison’s membership of the Faraday Institute for Science and Religion at University of Cambridge. His photo seems quite haughty and dismissive!
    https://www.faraday.cam.ac.uk/about/people/revd-dr-andrew-davison/

    It would be worth someone contacting him and asking if he has read the book (if not, please would he read it) by Marius Boirayon about alien bases and aliens in the seas and lakes in the Solomon Islands in the South Pacific. It neatly explains why Australia needs to control the seas around Australia with nuclear powered submarines and has ownership and control of mobile wireless telecommunications in this region.
    https://all-med.net/pdf/solomon-islands-mysteries/

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