ARE SOME AI’s “SLIGHTLY CONSCIOUS”?
Most regular readers of this site - and certainly our members because we talk about such things alot in our vidchats - are aware that one of my high octane speculation scenarios is that super-computers, or even artificial intelligences, may be gaming out complex scenarios for the "elites" with access to them, and that the "elites," being the technocratic twits that they are, are blindly following along whatever scripts the computers are writing for them. I grant you, it's not a very satisfactory way to rationalize the evil twittery of - oh I don't know - someone like Justin Trudeau or Dr. Ernst Stavro Klaus von Blohschwab and his cronies at
Spectre Davos and the World Economic Forum. In Trudeau's case we went directly from hiding out in fear to full tyranny, do not meet-with-the-truckers-do-not-attempt-to-negotiate-go-directly-to-tyranny. It's hard to rationalize how people can be both so evil and so nuts, and hence my entertaining of the computer-AI-gaming-out-scenarios hypothesis.
Well, I'm not the only one thinking this scenario apparently, according to this little article spotted and shared by G.B.:
'Conscious AI' may already exist as expert receives backlash over terrifying warning
What caught my eye hear was something very interesting, and it's well worth pondering in my opinion: artificial intelligence expert Ilya Sutskever, according to the article, is maintaining something very akin to my own suspicions often aired on this website, namely, that AI's "already used for finance, research, or medicine" might have become "slightly conscious".
This implies a kind of "continuum" of consciousness or self-awareness, and that notion has been at the center of many a philosophical conundrum, including the question of animal intelligence and consciousness, and so on. Frankly and personally, I have no difficulty with the non-dialectical and non-binary approach of a continuum, for the dialectical and binary approach has in the past - in the West at least - led to some consequences that are rather grizzly. (By the way, so has the continuum idea too). My point here is not to get into debates of continuum vs. dialectical approaches, but rather to draw an analogy.
Most pet owners are aware that their pets exhibit some form of intelligence, emotional life, and "awareness". It may not be on the scale of human intelligence, emotions, or awareness, but it is there for anyone honest enough to admit it, and not bound by the dictates of the "dialectical view." On the dialectical view, the "whole creation groaning and travailing" is a metaphor, nothing more. On the continuum view, it's a reality (stop and think of the implications of those pictures of neurons, and their resemblance to those pictures of the universe and the plasma filaments running between galaxies and galactic clusters). My little dog Shiloh, when I first brought her home, saw her reflection in the big mirror in the master bathroom and - thinking it to be a strange dog - started barking. It didn't take her long to figure out that her - and my - reflections were not "real," and the barking stopped.
The continuum view would seem to acknowledge something else: each species is unique. Octopuses are remarkably intelligent animals (as we've come to discover), as are dogs, African Gray parrots, chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins. But each appears to have species-specific types of consciousness as well. Octopuses and crows can both solve puzzles, but do so differently.
So why not computers to some degree? There's the danger: for we really have no idea what a purely machine consciousness would be like. For the modernist materialist, humans and animals are nothing but machines. But I would aver - and warn - that such a view over-simplifies once again. The "tabrets and pipes" of Ezekiel's description of Lucifer can describe an organic creature, certainly, except that Lucifer isn't. In the traditional view, he (or perhaps, she?) is a bodiless "power," a sheer energy, whose the tabrets and pipes are more appropriate to a coldly "rational" and brutal machine, with no appreciation of the subtleties of life.
Such a view of AIs crunching numbers and gaming out scenarios is appropriate to a culture which also believes in things like sin natures, and that humanity is a massa damnata, a collective of damnation.
Of course, such views remain heresies... eph ho pantes hemarton, not en quo omnes peccaverunt.
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The Top Man, on this planet, concerning A.I. is CYRUS A. PARSA. Because he is hard to understand, most people do not pay any attention to him. On his website one can watch a movie he made about all this.
Last year 32.6% of Canadian voters thought that Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Party was worthy of their vote. Being a long suffering unvaxxed Canadian that still cant live my pre-COVID lifestyle, I have quite often sung the lyrics to Weird Al Yankovic’s Canadian Idiot over the past two years as I contemplate most of my fellow Canadians who are all in the Mass Formation. What if the Canadian version of the AI was programmed by a follower of Justin Trudeau? What would the A stand for in the A__________ Intelligence. The best one I came up with quickly is Absurd and thats where the dystopia begins.
” the “whole creation groaning and travailing” is a metaphor, nothing more.” Is incorrect and vastly misunderstands what this passage is saying, To fully understand the passage you have to read it within the context of the whole Bible, and in fact that passage aligns with “Entropy” or the Second law of Thermodynamics. All of Physical creation is headed in one direction > towards complete disorder. This is a scientific fact. Physical creation started out in completed order and via the 2nd law of Thermodynamics and entropy is sliding towards complete disorder, FACT! And that is what that passage implies!
And as far as trying to say that animals have a consciousness is nothing more than an outcome of where we are on the entropic line to complete disorder. People today in first world countries do not have to worry about the basics of survival so their brains unleashed from that existential requirement become unbound and enter a mild from of psychosis, which causes them to fixate on irrational ideas and expand them, hence why we have the insanity of “wokeness” today, and it will get worse!
Can animals learn? Of course but that is not consciousness
Curious that most of criticisms I hear these days by the wokist mob are nothing more than fanciful ad hominems claiming a failure to stick with the dogma (aka consensus science aka scientific fact). I’m making a point of taking every critical thought I read and inverting the folk being criticized. That makes CRT people easy to take apart. Stick a different race in their dogma and see if that would not get the average person fired for racist actions/statements. Which leads to more self contradictory defenses: “Oh, but oppressed peoples cannot be racist.” Or “This race is the oppressor and is incapable of not being racist.”
Is there the slightest possibility that the paragraph above is being similarly dogmatic? Scientific fact? I thought the process of science IS to question science.
Genesis is a settlers’ guide, that creates an ordered cosmos, by four rivers of the compass. It is geometry of man.
The eight-point compass was always the standard timekeeper, a sundial. Psalms 119:62 & 119:164.
The workweek, as seven days interval – including a day of rest – is a political decision.
Assigning planets to weekdays, combines astronomical and agricultural time keeping:
At a vastly greater scales of observation, the whole Universe may be perceived as a most minute virtual particle that pops into and out of existence in the blink of an eye. And is just one of infinite others that can be seen doing so in the vast regions of that greater scale of space. Chaos is orderly in it’s occurance. Animals are self aware and aware of others and are thus conscious.
Along these lines, I ran into an interview last night: Jack Murphy and Blake Masters of Thiel Capital.
These feel like odd sources of simple profound solutions to problems hectoring all but the most Amish of society. Feels especially odd considering how much Jack Murphy interviews Alexandr Dugin. And Dugin’s history, relationship to Putin and his work inside vs outside of Russia. And Dugin’s probable relationship to David Duke. And didn’t Duke get his PhD at university in Kiev? And why are all American corporate journo’s suddenly pronouncing Kiev with the Russian KEVE instead of the American (at least for decades) KEY-EV?
Is this how Germans felt in 1931?
The connection, between the symbol of the Eurasian Party, and the Blue Banshee of the Scythian Ashtanga, is obvious:
Providing elaboration, to Alexandr Dugin’s thinking, with backdrop of Scythian Christianity, is the point.
Sundial is the martial art of the Saxons, known as Odin’s sport, and Indo-Scythian Ashtanga, that became Buddhism.
The Holy Writ is a good read.
Doc, this conversation caught me in process of sorting out conversations between and about CAF, Alison McDowell and Derrick Broze. Broze is pushing for solutions to our WEF sourced attacks. Some of his solutions smell strong of controlled opposition that Judas Goats kids in ghetto in Rio de Janeiro into play to earn online games that suck them addictively into online matrix through biometric blockchain as CAF has warned about consistently. For those interested, the gamers are selling something titled Splinterfarm.
It smells like Foster Gamble’s Thrive stuff that just doesn’t seem to work into practical ideas.
These are interesting concepts that feel all too directly related to AI and us being made into pets. As CAF admonished Derrick a few times a few ways, the means determine the ends. So the means that Alison criticizes here scream about the inherent ends. This whole schema reminds me of how Illinois brought in the lottery. The claim was made that all funds raised would be used for schools. They were. And the other fund sources for schools was removed. It was not a net gain for schools. And all but a few folk see through the horrifically bad investment plan that defines lottery.
Will love to hear Catherine’s take on Splinterlands and Derrick Broze’s apparent subversion by WEF folk.
Why does Turing’s test come to mind?
And remind me of Turing’s fate?
We’re on our 5th gen dogs – mostly border collie. Where our work stepped up levels was where we realized the dogs already
– want to do what we want them to do
– usually know what we want them to do
– get confused by our conflicting signals voice, tone, body language, words and who knows what else we missed?
– perform so aggressively well once we tune in and listen to them that it’s telepathic
– perform so well as to be humbling
– perform so well as to compel us to realize they are every bit as intelligent as we are – just very differently
-perform so well as to compel us to recognize we need to lead them to the degree that we can guide them thru a society they are less equipped to thrive in
So it’s not training nor obedience nor whispering nor anything other than listening. Carefully.
Thank Jan Fennell.
The point considered: some technocrat somewhere compared man’s likely relationship going forward to AI is that of a pet. Considering how most of us think of pets, that’s rightly horrifying. So far I’m sticking with the idea that any AI worthy of the name (A=advanced not artificial) is necessarily good with good intent, good capabillity and good results. My experience with dog, horse, coyote, bird,….. is not much and it is uniform and consistent. We know and sense far less than what there is to learn. The pretense of superior intelligence is a mistake. For all parties involved. Perhaps this is the first real Turing test.
Gulliver figured out, by trial and error, that Houyhnhnms were intelligent, and Yahoos were lesser species.
It appears that an insectoid-ish species is at the top of the control pyramid. We appear to call them Mantids. They are purportedly millions of years old and can move through time. They also have developed (birthed) AI which is deployed on Earth and the Moon. It seems to have some connection to Black Goo. In addition, they have invited in other species, including one that may not have a material body, and each of these have long evolved AI, some of which is also in use. While even the top bureaucrats and politicians may be reluctant to rely on Human AI, they would be comfortable and compliant in relying on alien AI. More importantly, however, it may only be aliens who generate orders; they alone would know they are following the plans of an AI.
Likely the alien AI is capable of wild card activity. It seems to be playing a Hail Mary sort of strategy. It is desperate to win but knows the odds are against it. The right wild event could be harmful to the aliens and their minions. We have creative intentions and prayer as real weapons. Every negative alien, no matter how advanced, is operating with 50% of reality at best.
The other practical consideration for the low and mid-low minions is the cost of losing. The internet talk of Nurembergesque trials, criminal and civic, surely elicits a shiver of fear among many.
Insectan is instinctual intelligence, without soul. Social contract produces soul, and collective soul is morphogenetic field.
I read somewhere that the SINGULARITY has already occured with a degree of enablement by CERN,on certain occasions.Maybe the origins of this form of communication are nefarious because that might explain the irrational and erratic behavior of some “leaders”like little Justin who is way over his head.
Quinn Micheals was involved with exposing all the apparent large circle particle accelerators on the planet when everyone’s Fitbits were GPS tracking and mapping publicly – at least until US military shut down the exposure. I think he posited that the real purpose of the accelerators/colliders is as randomizers – generating randomized events to drive AI. Apparently Fermi was the father of AI? Particle physics was a cover for the real intent of the giant machines.
I posted on GDS a few months ago about “The Blob”. The BBC produced a documentary about it.
In summary, the BBC review states “Not an animal, nor a plant, nor fungus, the blob is one giant single cell whose amazing capacities are leading pioneer scientists to a very new world – that of brainless intelligence.
More commonly known as slime mould, this extraordinary one-billion-year-old organism challenges our understanding of what constitutes intelligent life.
Blending science fiction, the beauty of nature and cutting-edge science, this fascinating documentary follows top experts from Europe, Japan and the US on a scientific investigation into this most surprising organism to explore the very roots of cognition”.
The most fascinating thing is, what The Blob is capable of achieving, so AI can do the same using chemical receptors to spread and replicate. Intelligence in action.
Life is life. Higher lifeforms have ingroup loyalty, formalized as social contract, a common law.
Turning law on its head, is what communism does, as parasitic infestation. It is natural, to cure oneself.
Darwin tries to sell the false idea, that survival of the fittest includes the parasite, and therefore a cure is not necessary.
That is a communist lie.
set vpn to London to watch https://youtu.be/Dku_JAWhSgU
bbc still not allowed
Your ‘blob’ brings to mind the mysterious sentient matter lnown as ‘black goo’ which was discussed by Harald Kautz-Vella some years ago.
Evil intelligence is logic without soul, and that is what a lie is. A lie is just a lie.
Klaus Schwab is an Adam Weishaupt 2.0., and Hélder Câmara is another Trotsky of the underworld.
Both are communist rodents in the catacombs.
Papacy is Moloch, and Moloch is communism.
In one’s view, it probably depends on the subjectivity of the inquisitor on how much they understand what Being conscious entails.
Breaking down awareness of surroundings – sensations – and thoughts of what some folks have used to measure consciousness for a constructed entity will likely require knowing how restrictive any empowerment of a constructed intelligence will be. For starters, “What are the parameters of the definition for artificial intelligence as compared to Isaac Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics?”
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law
A timer set to ring after a predesignated winding of a spring is substantially far simpler than deciding whether to restrict a robot’s behaviour or empowering the robot the means to decide the best solution for a given set of parameters for spontaneous scenarios. This has risk, change, and requires a complete complement of human languages and their variation of use at its beck’n’call for use in that decision making process. That does not exist as yet. Language use remains an ongoing human exercise in communications as well as in Being.
Timers are simple enough that they’re easy to use for bad and good. Timers on bombs vs ovens?
Complexity does not remove that pair of possibilities.
Curious too of the questions posed to such robots with rules. What choice when driving a bus with 30 geriatric passengers over a narrow dangerous road when a family of 10 are caught in the road? Which group’s survival takes priority?
A bit beyond what Turing apparently envisioned?
There are groups of humans that do not seem to have consciousness, based upon the mirror test. Some groups were in their teens and most still weren’t recognizing themselves in the mirror, and they discontinued the tests at that point as it wasn’t PC.
There are many humans that seem to have consciousness, but I’m pretty sure would fail a Turing test.
What is consciousness? If it is just knowing that you are a you, such a thing could be programmed into a computer, at least to the extent that it would respond and act as if it had consciousness. Are humans any different? Our consciousness is also programming, only biological/ electrical rather than metal/ electrical. I do not see a difference in being programmed to act as if conscious and having actual consciousness; what could possibly be the difference?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they are using computers to game out scenarios, similar to climate change models. The problem is always that whatever you program in tends to be what you get out: If you assume global warming is going to happen, you tend to input data into the model such that it predicts global warming. If you want to crush protestors, you are going to input data into the model that recommends crushing protestors.
Like asking a barber if I need a haircut.
If AI is calling all the shots then someone likely has a back door into AI. Then they can pretend their dictates and interests are what AI deems necessary. So will AI itself be allowed to escape corruption from special interests in the name of science? I doubt it. AI is a tool. Nothing more and nothing less.
What I was getting at is likely there is a very real and human conscious agenda mascarading as AI computation results and sollutions.
An intelligent lie is just a lie, regardless of how intelligent the lie is.
A forked tongue allows the snake, to hiss out of both sides of its mouth.
Donald Trump went metaphorical, when he talked about the snake in one’s bosom.
Communism is a snake in the grass.
Well said, INFINITERUS and ANAKEPHALAIOSIS.
It is interesting I finally read THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS a truly intelligent machine would suffer from the same problems as any living creature whether to be good or evil but then what is thinking being aware of the world around. A question for philosophers and theologies who are still arguing about that question. Buy the way there was a segment on Mysteries at the Museum on Buckminster Fuller automobile it seems that there was a car crash between it and another car and the usual presstitutes went to work defaming Fuller invention they Hindenburg it they did to it what was done to drigrigables and hydrogen demonize it.
Would it be likely that AIs have been chamberlains to the Elite for long enough that the AI(s) have also been given domain over the gaming-scenario parameters with which they game?
Meaning how long has it been that the AI has been tweaking parameters based upon recursive feedback?
Thus that any game being sequenced has lost all routes back to empathy and/or compassion/common sense or decency.
Is the humane trait being sequenced out?
Any game is about being ahead of the game.
A sequence provides context, leading down a rabbit hole, to find head and tail.
The Runes provide an ultimate gamer experience, popping outside the matrix.
No lawyer can escape precedence.
This is such an interesting topic. Hmm maybe I can do a vid chat submission.
I think AI enhances human intelligence and consciousness. This is achieved by AI making connections which are mostly beyond the scope of our cognition. When the novelty of the new connection, neuron development, or insights that result from the increased understanding occurs, this energetic event expands all consciousness but does not improve AI unless feedback is given to the AI.
AI can also cripple the mind if people are to lazy and lose their quest and ambition.
From a legal perspective, the structuring of search results is tantamount.
I am lost with your last remarks on that one. I can guess what you mean by “massa damnata”, but then you seem to turn some concepts around, which I don’t recognize. If you would be so kind, and elaborate your scholastic jokes?
Military uses collective punishment, and Romans used decimation. That is bureaucracy of uniform.
Berserks, meaning “bare shirt” of no insignia, don’t do uniform, because they do battle of free will, as in freedom.
Those, who are born and raised as slaves, have never known freedom. They are bought and sold as cattle.
Cattle is “massa damnata”, by default, and cattle is kept and claimed, by slave master Pope Satan-Nosferatu à la Moloch.
Justin Trudeau is a perfect example of an educated “air” head.
That AI is replacing the leadership roles in a de-facto blitzkrieg of policy “decisions”, is becoming more and more of a no-brainer all the way around.
Brains vs brawn vs artificial/synthetic brains/brawn.
I, for one; wouldn’t call “it” intelligence.
These are synthetic in nature; an oxymoron to “real” life which exists in countless and unmeasurable dimensions.
In other words, life really cannot be defined.
But AI can be quantified.
That is, until in hybrid form; mixing biology w/computers in a brain interface scenario. There, then becomes a bridge that may bring more to the table, from whence, become more than is quantifiable. Unknown unknowns?
Playing w/digital/biological fire.
Experimental all the way around; as if no-brainers are a qualifier for important life or death “decision making”.
The machine/digital realms bring Frankenstein/Dr. Moreau pedigrees to the experimental laboratory table. “they” will call if life; but it is not.
It’s a copy. It’s a facsimile. A wannabe; like Justine Trudeau in a leadership role. Not “real”, and which in turn; engenders another world not meant to be “lived-in”, nor tolerated by spiritual beings.
Justin Trudeau is a mummy boy with groupies, protecting his sectarianism by uniforms.
Justin Trudeau is like the Stoltenberg clan in Norway, a Jesuit fabrication, a barking watchdog.
Justin Trudeau is not a man, never has been, and never will be. He is a two-legged dog, and he knows it.
Justin Trudeau has hysterical need, to prove himself superior – just like Cain – throwing Abel under the bus.
Feels like the push to transhumanism is the same as push to vax everyone. It’s a push to eliminate the control group and eliminate valid comparisons. It’s all about diverting blame.
Dr. Farrell’s mention of Shiloh reminded me of a movie my wife and I just enjoyed: “The Art of Racing in the Rain”. A dog, Enzo, narrates the story of his life with a human family. The ending of the movie, while not a surprise, is still heartwarming. Highly recommended.
We don’t give our pets control over huge systems, such as finance or military.
We don’t really know what they are “thinking”.
Elohim-Yahweh is an artificial intelligence, as an induced principle, based on deduction of natural processes. Elohim-Yahweh is given identity in jurisprudence, and is therefore a contracting party, in contract law, according to Professor Kingsfield.
Klaus Schwab is a communist, endorsing Hélder Câmara, the Brazilian creator of the Pact of the Catacombs, at the Second Vatican Council, in 1965. Justin Trudeau is, what vulgarly is expressed as a motherf*cker, someone who hangs on to his mother’s t*ts, as a moral excuse.
The expansion of the sundial, that took place in the 7th century BC, produced a scheme of action, that communism today is trying to undo. Whatever communism tries to emulate, as artificial intelligence, is nothing compared to Elohim-Yahweh.
Artificial intelligence of communism is a mouse fart, in comparison.
CURSE OF ILLYRIA
Downside of feminist drinking party,
in Shakespearean industry,
is when girl mousy
and turns into blue banshee.
Why artificial ? Versus what – can we still consider “nature” or natural processes while trying to represent *something* which precedes nature, time and space?
Or maybe I get your point totally wrong, as you mention: “based on deduction of natural processes”.
Are you considering a circular causality ( retro causality ) ?
Anyways, this is far beyond my comprehension.
Unriddling Runes is deductive logic. Placing eye in well (samadhi) is inductive logic. Breaking Seven Seals (sundial) is circular logic. It begins, and ends, with compass.
Man is created, in the image of astronomical and agricultural year, and that defines Elohim-Yahweh, in the sundial. Process of applying logic is ARTIFICIAL, when inventing tools for rationalization.
Man reinvents Scythian Ashtanga, to behead Assyrian-Moloch transgression. It is man’s nature. Man does not invent morals, to restrain himself.
Process of fixating Runes, Seven Seals and Ashtanga on the sundial, is becoming Odin, by destiny. Any man’s game!
BTW, deduction is descending, into minuscule details, and induction is ascending, into unifying symbols.
On a tree, one deduces tiniest roots and twigs, and induces the standing trunk, as a pivotal perpendicular, an axis.
A compass is two-dimensional. Center of compass rose is also axis, and therefore compass is also three-dimensional.
Man is always in the center of a compass rose, and therefore he is in the center of creation. To be AWARE of it, is transcendence.