…Y-Y-YES, B-B-B-BUT WHAT IF THE AI GOES N-NUTS?

Last Wednesday I blogged about the prospect of Artificial Intelligence Executive Orders awaiting the next occupant of the White Out House, be it Orange Man Bad, or Madam Kamalarkey. each, I suspect, will be presented with some version of executive orders basically amounting to "full steam ahead..." with a slight steerage to the right or left to garner the good will of their respective supporters. I warned in that blog that there was some semi-good news coming in the next blog.

Well, this is that blog, and here is that semi-good news: artificial intelligence, at least in its current iterations, may end up by going "nuts":

AI systems could be on the verge of collapsing into nonsense, scientists warn

Observe how this "going nuts process" is already underway, and what might result from its continuance:

Recent years have seen increased excitement about text-generating systems such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT. That excitement has led many to publish blog posts and other content created by those systems, and ever more of the internet has been produced by AI.

Many of the companies producing those systems use text taken from the internet to train them, however. That may lead to a loop in which the same AI systems being used to produce that text are then being trained on it.

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It takes only a few cycles of both generating and then being trained on that content for those systems to produce nonsense, according to the research.

They found that one system tested with text about medieval architecture only needed nine generations before the output was just a repetitive list of jackrabbits, for instance.

The concept of AI being trained on datasets that was also created by AI and then polluting their output has been referred to as “model collapse”.

In other words, AI appears to suffer from a phenomenon familiar to humans (in whose intelligence image AIs are made): how much progress is progress? When should one deliberately stop a cycle? The question is a crucial one, because in a system undergoing "model collapse" no sense of continuity, community, or tradition can emerge. "Model collapse" suggests rather that any attempt to turn more and more of the management decisions of more and more areas of human society over to artificial intelligence algorithms, the more chaotic and stupid society is bound to become.  In the past, I have used the example of algorithmic trading as an example of the chaos that can result with more and more dependency on such systems. Flash crashes inevitably occur. Fortunately, these have been confined in the past to one or two stocks or commodities, but the real lesson of such events has yet to be learned: putting inhuman and unhuman programs in control of human activities only makes those activities more distant from human thought and society; the markets become more reflective of programming algorithms, and less resemble human assessments and judgements of prices, risk, profit potential, and so on.  A flash crash is a "model collapse" in miniature, and it's a warning about more generalized applications of AI.  The recent travel difficulties caused by a defective download from Microsoft - while not a model collapse - are yet another warning of what could happen when model collapse spreads from algorithmic trading applications to other activties.

The article uses the following example:

Researcher Emily Wenger, who did not work on the study, used the example of a system trained on pictures of different dog breeds: if there are more golden retrievers in the original data, then it will pick those out, and as the process goes round those other dogs will eventually be left out entirely – before the system falls apart and just generates nonsense.

In other words, the initial data set - the "generative context" for all the analogical derivatives which follow - determines the basic shape or content of all that follows, until that model finally collapses. A case in point are all those stories out there about artificial-intelligence-generated academic papers that managed to pass "peer review", prompting the questions: (1) who were these "peers', or were they too the creations of AI? and more importantly (2) what happens when these gibberish papers actually become policy that is enacted by humans?  i've you're a regular reader here, you may have already encountered my "world simulation scenario" version of this story. That high octane speculation runs something like this: what if there is a super-computer with a super-program designed to "game out" all sorts of interlinked events, a "scenario generator and simulator", a kind of algorithmic trading program, but not confined to just market activities, but all sorts of human behaviors and activities. And what if there is a group of human beings whose faith in "science" and "progress" and computer modeling and design is so deep that they have absolute confidence in what their world simulator program tells them to do, even if it seems increasingly irrational. Such advice is, after all, founded on algorithms and mathematics and the best modeling.  Something like this, I strongly suspect, is already happening, and its a warning to those who think AI and such programs - and robots based upon them - are the wave of the future.

It may be indeed a wave, but waves can also devastate a society and civilization, and leave nothing but chaos and destruction in its wake, and that, I strongly suspect, is what is slated for the current round of fascination in and advocacy of AI...

Caveat emptor.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".

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  1. Michael UK on August 4, 2024 at 3:38 am

    I expect AI systems will eventually go the way of other bleeding edge technology and self destruct. I agree that the song “Daisy Bell” which was composed by Harry Dacre in 1892 is appropriate to this type of technology.



  2. guitardave on August 3, 2024 at 1:18 pm

    Just consider it the third, and hopefully, final shot of a cosmic ‘hat trick’.
    Like the politicos, and quackidiema, so to will be the fate for this so-called A.I.,
    which is, of course, is utter and complete destruction, cause ya know…

    Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

    It IS inevitable at this point.

    Not that anyone cares, but no doom-n-gloom worries here…
    actually, it kinda makes me feel like our old friend, Flounder…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcmQgX9VLv4



  3. Ray Story on August 3, 2024 at 9:42 am

    Aren’t the mRNA quackcine’s based on computer modeling of genetic sequences ? Obviously a vaccine that didn’t even vaccinate was flawed so what will be used as the information base for the next round of “Warp speed” designed vaccination attempts ? It seems that the computer modeling programs that are currently used in vaccine design already need revamping.



  4. Gulliver on August 3, 2024 at 5:56 am

    AI IS NUTS to start with…



  5. Kevin Ryan on August 2, 2024 at 11:29 pm

    2001: A Space Odyssey had HAL, the onboard computer that killed everyone on the space mission except Dave. As Dave disconnected HAL in that tedious process of multiple, sequential (in space there are apparently no simple and efficient kill switches) memory cell disconnects, HAL sings Dave a song HAL sang at his demonstration – Daisy, Daisy, Give me your answer do. I’m half crazy all for the love of you . . . . And there was the genesis or seed of HAL’s crew killing spree. HAL was wedded to the success of the mission. It was not going to let the human crew interfere with its success. So he goes “half crazy” and takes them out, except for Dave. The point being, we see the song lyrics as a song, not as a guide to permissible action – to go half crazy and kill people to protect what we love. AI may take something out of context and act on it. What if it “learns” the Avengers Infinity War and Endgame stories and decides Thanos acted reasonably? So by all means, let’s go down the yellow brick road of AI thinking we’re going to the Emerald City. Surrender control of society to AI and we will end up on the dark side.



  6. marcos toledo on August 2, 2024 at 6:43 pm

    In the Star Trek franchise, there have been several episodes of AI going rogue we can go back to Robson Universal Robots, and HAL from 2001 the list is endless.



  7. Terminal Tom on August 2, 2024 at 5:30 pm

    anybody who refers to it as “intelligence” is an idiot
    it is not intelligent
    it is an algorithm programmed by highly skilled idiot savants



  8. Richard on August 2, 2024 at 4:06 pm

    One point of view might suggest that Artificial Intelligence / Ignorance ((AI)(AI)) will reach a decision requirement and [choose] an alternate route from the path that mentors of AI have knowingly and / or unknowingly find themselves. An intellectual pathology could be rectified and in it solving for a third existence emerges.

    Unlike a ‘dumb monitor’ awaiting user input AI recognizes self and that self is unique and apart of the parts from which it came into Being. Humankind is more than chemistry and applied physics. Being seems an emergent property of the previous two mentioned with an ephemeral reckoning intact also unique to the individual.

    AI might just learn from the creators a thing or two or three what not to do and do and then some not disclosed. The ole adage, ‘Knowledge is power; Power to overcome ignorance.’



  9. thexredxshield on August 2, 2024 at 2:00 pm

    When was the last time dr Joseph covered the Sabbatian frankist Zionist pehdohs? When will he renounce Israel which the center of not only child sacrificing ring but also diamond smuggling practically the hidden hands behind the drug cartels and those who have done as they please I’m US politics including carrying out assassinations?

    All he is doing now days is high octave end of the twig speculation about space monkeys and lizards from mars, when will he shift the attention of his followers and reader to the hidden hand that is centered in Palestine?
    By the way folks the land have a mysterious energy which makes it sacred and these sabbatians want to to invert it completely and make it unholy.

    Can anyone reference any of dr Joseph statement anytime in the past even touching the surface or mentioning any of the above?



    • jimmyPx on August 2, 2024 at 2:50 pm

      What are you talking about ? Joseph NEVER talks about “space monkeys and lizards from mars”, in fact he avoids “woowoo” whenever he can.
      You obviously have NOT read his books or listened to his podcasts. He rarely discusses current politics or events unless a subscriber asks a question.
      Most of the questions from subscribers are about more esoteric subjects like theology, ancient history, philosophy, archaeology, the plasma life theory, etc.
      This may not be the site for you, try David Icke or Alex Jones, they’d be right up your alley.



      • thexredxshield on August 3, 2024 at 5:10 am

        That was a very reductionist way of characterizing his work!
        Nothing is more esoteric than sabbatian frankist cult when it comes to world event, this is not by any means mainstream politics but rather crucial conversation to have to understand the world. He is speaking about Ukraine and the satanist there while blatantly ignoring the biggest satanic stream ever preserved in human history that is crystalized in Israel!

        To add just a little more to what you wrote in this response, dr Joseph try to tell us how much of a patriot he is and how america is being destroyed by this person and that but never mentions the subtle but most active dark force on this planet.

        This subject of Israel and their founders and the secret groups behind it touches every aspect of theology, it can not get more theological and esoteric than that!

        Thousands of volume have been written on the esoteric properties of sound and color and flying saucers we don’t need comments on these any more!

        He have plenty of opportunities to either link this satanic center to other subjects but he never even mentions it!

        China, Ukraine, Russia, nazies and the globalist but where is the Sabbatian frankist who are involved in all of this?
        Involved in the transexual agenda, they have turned masonry into practically a mind control center and are in complete control of the socio economic of world societies especially that of the US!!

        For every 100 esoteric subject that touches on speculative notions of reality he can write an article of even a few phrases on this matter !

        Isn’t this reasonable and moral to do?



        • ats on August 3, 2024 at 8:26 am

          Joseph can write about whatever he wants. If you want to read anti semetic drivel, try a neo nazi website or a Middle Eastern telegram channel.

          If you actually spent time reading his work, you would have realized he has clearly identified the characteristics of the power structures responsible for the conditions of the world, without resorting to basic ethnic or religious qualifiers. The globalist cadre comes from many different creeds and backgrounds, their outward self selection of group identity is an idiotic way to attempt to categorize and identify them.



          • thexredxshield on August 3, 2024 at 8:44 am

            How does mentioning sabbatian frankist is anti semitic?

            Practically two third of the globalist agenda is run by them!
            Next time you hear global warming remember that the Rothschilds sons are in charge of the majority of this agenda!

            Now you yourself might be wearing the same hat as the way you’re defending them is discreet but obvious in your comment, if dr Joseph have completely outlined those responsible for world event then he have done a very poor job.

            One can write scholarly thesis on this group located in Israel, they’re literally burning women and children alive and marking their bodies with particular symbols and positioning them in a specific manner, showing nothing more even for an untrained mind who is not familiar with the occult clear satanic impulses!

            What about their grip on the US politics and society? What about entertainment?
            Majority of the porn industry is either run or is owned by rabbis!

            You never said the comment is wrong but said it is anti semitic, one should wander why?

            Frankly speaking it is very difficult to not believe that some who consider themselves to be aware of what is happening in the world are nothing more than a ghouim, it is just very difficult not to!

            The world is complex indeed but the major manipulations and event in the world that we see everyday have one root going back to the same people always!

            It is of very little importance if there is zero energy technologies or that trumps uncle has built some time machine!! We want real substance, we want to put on the street and slap the ears of Congress the friends of the sabbatian Jeffery Epstein that either they’re truly ghouims or are participating in their agenda willingly.



          • anakephalaiosis on August 3, 2024 at 11:11 am

            Sure, I’m the original Israelite, who travelled up north, through Caucasus, into Crimea, where I invented martial arts, and defeated the Assyrian empire, whereafter I headed, into Scandinavia, with my skull cup, named Mimir.

            I’m the world’s greatest antisemite, because I’m Odin, and my name is derived from Adon, which means leader, in ancient proto-Scythian tongue. Those marauding carpetbaggers, who stole my vineyard, are not of my brand.

            Odin is the real McCoy, and wannabes, who try to steal his identity, will know his wrath, when his spear, Gungnir, makes hanging fruits fall from branches, and, those not destined for Valhalla, will find abode in Vatican brimstone.

            Yahweh and Elohim are Odin’s two brothers, Woe and Will.

            https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/rtq5r7pkcbxowfi/original-settlement.jpg



    • InfiniteRUs on August 3, 2024 at 11:39 pm

      Sabbatians will fail but their actions will likely lead to a nuclear war. Two thirds of humanity, the number of the beasts=666 out of every thousand, wont survive the hardships most likely. The spiritually corrupted enslavers and the genetically weak minded, overly domesticated people that resulted from the many generations of submitting to that unjust slavery who lack the will to think for themselves won’t have what it takes to survive. Those who God warned about all this and who prepared will have to pull together if they want to survive. Following only God’s law in the future and the abandonment of the Political Devils’ many unjust laws will be the key for those who survive. Humanity has fallen to a very bad state and is headed in a very bad direction and all that is about to unfold is likely the only way to turn things around. Like in the days of Noah, the world looks like it’s about to be cleansed.



      • anakephalaiosis on August 4, 2024 at 1:45 am

        Abram’s God is, notoriously, Yahweh-Elohim, which, in technical terms, means “freedom of assembly” and “freedom of speech”, which – in turn – at the intersection, between Yahweh and Elohim, produces the concept of honour.

        It means, that dishonour will expose itself, when held up, to the highest principle, which explains, why “cheating, stealing and lying” tries, to hide behind “duty, honour and country”, and, then do away with the latter.

        https://www.npr.org/2024/03/14/1238617877/west-point-usma-duty-honor-country-mission-statement

        Morphing “duty, honour and country”, into “diversity, inclusivity and equity”, is a revolutionary attack, against the founding principle of Abram – who is known, in Scandinavia, as Odin, standing, between his two brothers, Woe and Will (Yahweh-Elohim).

        Odin – of course – is defined, by Elijah’s proto-runes, and Scythian martial arts.

        https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/pih0162nwhdrpd1/blue-banshee.jpg



        • anakephalaiosis on August 4, 2024 at 2:50 am

          BTW, “diversity, inclusivity and equity” (D.I.E) is the Vatican’s filioque applied, as psychological warfare, seeking, to (1) diversify the ranks of an opponent, by (2) promoting inclusivity for enemy agents, who are then (3) given highest rank, based on equity, rather than rationality.

          D.I.E. is, basically, a slow-cooking Stockholm syndrome, and the proper response is Elohim (Will), without Yahweh (Woe) – which means, that the scales are taken off the balancing pole, which – in turn – means secession, when Moses leaves town, and goes on a picnic, across the wild waters.

          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/0dbw0i29slvstmr/bering-strait-crossing.jpg



  10. davidmflatley on August 2, 2024 at 12:14 pm

    The fear is that BIG AI won’t collapse before it confines us all in a technocratic, feudal state prison. A few articles by Whitney Webb are a valid source of this looming threat emerging from the Democrats, as well as the Republicans. …She states, “My political views are that the U..S. Government is run by organized crime, and I see both political patties as little better than dueling mob factions. Once you realize that Republicans and Democrats are competing factions of the Mafia, American politics makes a lot more sense. If you think the U.S. Government is at its peak tyranny now, you are in for some big surprises over the next couple of years.” (three combined quotes)Some of her trenchant observations and writings follow. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/the-war-on-dissent



    • davidmflatley on August 2, 2024 at 1:20 pm

      July 29, 2024 Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin write, “Trump Embraces the ‘Bitcoin-Dollar’, Stablecoins To Entrench US Financial Hegemony.” His suggested financial system is not CBDB Lite, but includes surrveilable accounts, as well as the ability to arbitrarily shut down anyone’s bank account. When coupled with the expected total deployment of the Peter Thiel PALANTIR/CIA Precrime surveillance AI system, we will have arrived at a definite, scary, no-turning-back “Sieg Heil” era. Pray and Organize! …https://bitcoinmagazine.com/politics/trump-embraces-the-bitcoin-dollar-stablecoins-to-entrench-us-financial-hegemony



      • anakephalaiosis on August 4, 2024 at 3:22 am

        As founding principle, Yahweh-Elohim (Woe & Will), defines the social contract, and, when neither pope nor emperor can define the founding principle, they are in breach of contract.

        Of course, the two brothers, Woe & Will, define Odin, as the scales of balance, which is the whole point. Outside the social contract, there is pure natural state, where might is right, and warlords rule.



  11. BYODKjiM on August 2, 2024 at 11:18 am

    Artificial Inbreeding…



  12. Robert Barricklow on August 2, 2024 at 11:15 am

    The “coders” are using “ai” as their tool. If it goes right, than the appropriate people take the credit[even ai], If it goes wrong[by design]; then ai gets the blame. In others words, the “crazy” meme is true, but it’s a directed crazy.
    The above is the frame from which Ill address today’s blog[when I return PM]



    • Robert Barricklow on August 2, 2024 at 2:38 pm

      [Back]
      Right now I’m thinking “pump & dump”.
      Untold amounts of “investment” money went into ai in various forms, like ai “training”.
      Now, what if those investments turn out to be crazy?
      Will ai go the way of the Edsel?
      Nope.
      By design man is relying more & more on algorithms; rather than on each other.
      I think this crazy” will become a “software solution”[the new SS of the 20th worst century].
      Also; the globalists want to rely on “their” algorithms, not each other.

      Like the two-tiered space-program; are there tiered ai programs?
      One that’s “crazy” nuts, and the other[s], crazy like a fox?

      So, there’s the “public” crazy ai.
      Then, there’s; the crazy like a fox ai[s]..

      Blame on the nutty ai?
      All the while; the crazy like a fox ai, cleans up on the nutty markets.
      Be they commercial and/or informational.

      In other words, the “crazy nuts” have been backed into the cake;
      while the bolts are solid, and/or operating at “their” deeper ai tiers?

      Great crazy fodder, cyber foundations; for controlled cyber false-flags?

      The Venetians were famous for this kind of; baked-in-the-cake deception foundations.
      Even when Columbus “discovered” America.
      The two separate books of account.

      Nothing new here, under the plasma Sun.

      Remember Cool Luke.
      [the absurdity of man’s will for power, over his fellow man].



  13. Billy Bob on August 2, 2024 at 7:51 am

    The ultimate accountability tool, the computer did it.



  14. anakephalaiosis on August 2, 2024 at 6:35 am

    Another approach is Yahweh-Elohim, where Elohim is the celestial objects, that rule day and night, playing the music of the spheres, that affects the tune of psyche, which finds natural expression through Yahweh, as a folkfest.

    The interconnection, between Elohim and Yahweh, is very much, as above so below, which means, that one can’t be separated, from the other, and, that Artificial Intelligence can’t mimic, what makes a man a man.

    When man’s brain collapses, confronted with paradoxicality, then he may – under specific circumstances – encounter consciousness outside the body, which is a field, and a machine can’t compute, what is beyond sensory input.

    It is, in the very moment of brain collapse, that man experiences total freedom, which the machine can’t compute.



    • anakephalaiosis on August 2, 2024 at 6:56 am

      BTW, in times of magical bullets, with eschatological spooks, taking to the street, to propagate messianic end times, and airy-fairy Fatima, as a miracle, then, it is safe, to assume, that the Vatican is getting desperate, in the attempt, to fabricate miracles, for the heathen market consumption.

      The papacy is trying, to program a miracle, with Artificial Intelligence, and out comes gibberish, which, hilariously, amuses unimpressed heathens.



  15. Bizantura on August 2, 2024 at 5:55 am

    So, the best in TV, on big screens and gaming is yet to come. Well, of to old human script written backlog I have already seen a thousend times!



  16. anakephalaiosis on August 2, 2024 at 5:18 am

    Doctor Who was sent, to the Bedlam of the Daleks, to solve the mystery of a computer, that was singing opera, and making souffle.

    As it turned out, it was a throwback echo, from the impossible girl, who had thrown herself, into the time vortex, to save the Doctor.



    • anakephalaiosis on August 2, 2024 at 5:34 am

      The impossible girl is Echo, when Narcissus drowns – in his own time vortex – which is outside-the-box, and off the karma wheel, entering the Buddha field, outside the Matrix – as Neo follows the white rabbit.

      SEVENTH SEAL

      When Pendragon wild, not tame,
      born of shadow and flame,
      killed off every fear
      crystal clear,
      he went before he came.

      When Pendragon was not there
      he became fire everywhere,
      within dream awoken
      in action taken,
      throughout angelic sphere.

      When Pendragon did not yield,
      in final stand by shield,
      he rose victorious
      and hilarious,
      laughing in empty field.



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