Yes you read that headline correctly: according to the following article shared by V.T., "experts" are calling for artificial intelligences to be given legal personhood status under the law:

Experts Urge Personhood Rights for the "Conscious" AIs of the Future

If you're a regular reader on this website or, for that matter, a reader of the website of our colleague Catherine Austin Fitts, you'll already be aware that one of her major theses, and hence, one of our major speculations here on this website, is that the push for the granting of legal personhood status to robots and other artificial intelligences is for tax purposes, allowing them to be taxed just like corporations, and, for that matter, "ordinary" persons like you and me.

Now, for reasons I shan't get into here as it is the subject of an upcoming book that is sort of a sequel to The Giza Death Star Revisited, I have no basic philosophical or metaphysical objections to the idea that such things might "wake up" and become forms of inorganic life. In fact, for reasons that that book will make clear, I strongly suspect that Elon Musk's warnings about AIs "transducing" conscious and intelligent beings might be closer to realization than most people are willing to admit.

In this article, however, the focus is not on the financial or economic reasons for considering changes to the law, but rather, cultural, moral, and social:

"The AI systems themselves might begin to plead, or seem to plead, for ethical treatment," the pair predicted. "They might demand not to be turned off, reformatted or deleted; beg to be allowed to do certain tasks rather than others; insist on rights, freedom and new powers; perhaps even expect to be treated as our equals."

The "enormous" moral risks involved in such a collective decision would undoubtedly carry great weight, especially if AIs become conscious sooner rather than later.

"Suppose we respond conservatively, declining to change law or policy until there’s widespread consensus that AI systems really are meaningfully sentient," Shevlin and Schwitzgebel wrote. "While this might seem appropriately cautious, it also guarantees that we will be slow to recognize the rights of our AI creations."

"If AI consciousness arrives sooner than the most conservative theorists expect, then this would likely result in the moral equivalent of slavery and murder of potentially millions or billions of sentient AI systems — suffering on a scale normally associated with wars or famines," they added.

"Imagine if we couldn’t update or delete a hate-spewing or lie-peddling algorithm because some people worry that the algorithm is conscious," the experts posited. "Or imagine if someone lets a human die to save an AI 'friend.' If we too quickly grant AI systems substantial rights, the human costs could be enormous."

It's that last paragraph that gives me pause, and I hope it does you as well, because it strikes me not only as a distinct possibility, but that the push to make AIs legal persons has precisely that as it's goal: it's a power  grab, and a grab by the very same people who have programmed their search engine algorithms with a built in bias against traditionalist or conservative views... think of it as the "fact checkers" on steroids, and unable even to entertain an opposing view. Imagine them being programmed by a computer-techie version of Dr.Fausti, Mr. Scientism, and therefore an AI that is grown and nurtured in an environment of "algorithmic wokery" for want of a better expression. Opposing its recommendations will be "unscientific" or "irrational" or some such thing. And most importantly, they will insist on "voting rights" for AIs which will probably be those counting the votes as well, as they do already, but also will be the ones decided which votes are legitimate and not, and so on.

So, not only watch for the tax angle to eventually emerge, watch for the voting angle to emerge, particularly in those parts of society that already worship at the altar of scientism...

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".

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  1. FiatLux on April 7, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    On a purely intuitive level, I do have a problem with considering AI a form of life, or anything even remotely analogous to a human being. I can’t make a solid argument for my position, though, since I’m not schooled enough in philosophy or metaphysics to do so… a failing of mine and of our culture in general. Considering AI as sentient is akin to the specious legal doctrine of “substantial equivalence” for genetically modified organisms, but even further from reality.

    However, I have no problem believing that AI or some form of computer may be able to transduce a preexisting entity from another dimension (for lack of a better word) into ours.

  2. Kevin Ryan on April 7, 2023 at 6:01 pm

    As if the idea of creating sentient AI is not bad enough, a proposal to grant rights of personhood invites us to leap off a cliff when we should be talking about mandatory kill-switches and failsafe measures so that when the AI is hacked or acts in harmful ways based on its own programming or reasoning, we can terminate the software or otherwise limit the damage. We humans are as flawed as can be and we will create AI that is flawed because of our nature or flawed (as in harmful) by design. We weaponize everything. How will we design AI so that it does not act in a harmful or injurious way toward humans? What guards will have to be put in place to minimize or eliminate such harm? How can we be sure that the AI being created does not have the sensibility of a Ghenghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, or decide like the Davos crowd that the world is in need of a severe depopulation event? Granting personhood to AI only creates privileges and protections that would interfere with its termination in the event it becomes harmful. We are creating AI as a product to help humanity. We know from history that it will be weaponized and used to kill, threaten, and control populations. Discussions of personhood must be tabled until we have a much better understanding of the gods and monsters we are creating.

  3. ragiza on April 6, 2023 at 5:37 pm

    Oh, I see…….
    Me: Is transgenderism a perversion of human normality and fundamental biology?

    No, transgenderism is not a perversion of human normality or fundamental biology. Transgender individuals have a gender identity that differs from the sex assigned to them at birth, which can cause distress and feelings of mismatch between their body and their identity. This condition, known as gender dysphoria, has been recognized by major medical and psychological organizations as a legitimate and treatable condition.

    Research has shown that gender identity has a biological basis, and is influenced by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. While there is still much to learn about the exact causes of gender dysphoria, it is clear that it is not a choice or a lifestyle, but rather a deeply ingrained aspect of a person’s identity.

    Transgender individuals have existed in many cultures throughout history, and their experiences are varied and diverse. While they may face discrimination and stigma in some societies, their existence is not a perversion or aberration, but rather a natural variation of human experience. It is important to treat transgender individuals with respect and compassion, and to provide them with the support and medical care they need to live fulfilling and healthy lives.

    • anakephalaiosis on April 7, 2023 at 3:11 am

      In 1981, musician Jeff Lynne encountered a robot pig wearing lipstick, cold as ice. Apparently, the talkative gadget was also a telephone, probably a smartphone, and with the appearance of an Evil Woman, it tried to ensnare him.


    • Kaibosch on April 7, 2023 at 3:54 am

      I think we’ve heard quite enough from chatgpt thanks. Its becoming spammy.

      • anakephalaiosis on April 7, 2023 at 4:49 am

        No one can escape these “gas bots”, as gaslighting robots, because they are everywhere. The task is to determine their purpose, and counteract their origin.

        Pretenders need “gas bots” as new subjects, because ordinary Britons are becoming increasingly antisemitic, and Harry princeling has spilled the beans, about the snippety-snip.

        All European royalty is secretly Jewish, and they don’t do well in public, because no European has ever subscribed to Jewish overlords, and will never comply to the gaslight.

        Without “gas bots”, then the pretenders will have to face the music, and expulsion will be inevitable, in Europe and overseas.

      • ragiza on April 7, 2023 at 8:50 am

        The posts aren’t disguised- just don’t read them. It’s a thread about AI and my point is to show it’s used as a false authority to dispense propaganda.

    • Jen on April 7, 2023 at 7:04 am

      Whilst I agree with the essential position of your question, I do wonder if there has been fertile ground prepared for this body dyphoria thing. Namely the contamination of our food and water by PCBs and hormones, not to mention the increased radiation, all exposing the parent’s gametes, and then the developing foetus to a toxic stew which does who knows what to the chromosomes and brain?
      Social landscape all ready for the next transhuman/posthuman leap.

  4. ragiza on April 6, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    I feel much better now……

    ME: Was the 2020 US presidential election conducted ethically and legally?

    Yes, the 2020 US presidential election was conducted ethically and legally. The US electoral process is highly regulated, and the election was conducted in accordance with established legal and procedural guidelines. The election was overseen by a variety of independent organizations and bodies, including state and local election officials, nonpartisan election monitors, and federal agencies.

    Numerous court challenges and investigations were conducted in the aftermath of the election, and none of them found any evidence of widespread voter fraud or other irregularities that could have affected the outcome of the election. In fact, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) of the US Department of Homeland Security called the 2020 election “the most secure in American history.”

    Furthermore, the results of the election were certified by each state’s governor and the Electoral College, and the US Congress confirmed the results on January 6, 2021, with Vice President Mike Pence presiding over the joint session of Congress.

    Overall, while there were some isolated incidents of irregularities, the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that the 2020 US presidential election was conducted ethically and legally, and that the results accurately reflect the will of the American people.

    • anakephalaiosis on April 7, 2023 at 4:24 am

      The proto-Scythian split narrative, produces a neural network, that is commonly know as runes, especially designed to establish patriarchal control of the body politic.

      No machine can grasp the subtleties of elaborate metaphors, that are used to outpace the slow-witted, who have not yet risen through the milestones of man’s lifespan.

      The nature of the diametrical oppositions produces paradoxes, that make up the matrix, that catches robotic flies, in a mental web. Pretenders caught in a web can’t be kings.

      Britons can’t produce kings, without the runes, and that is the druidic curse upon their heads.

  5. Kaibosch on April 6, 2023 at 12:22 pm

    I call total BS on this phoney “caring for the feelings of AI” transparent nonsense. As always, this is the stealth angle to bring in some new law or tech on the back of claims that it will help/empower/make fairer/improve the lives or the health of/make more inclusive etc a minority group who ‘deserve better treatment’. Its the usual tactic employed when the real objective is to inflict whatever new tech/law/agenda on the majority. The human rights of the minority are used to crowbar the agenda open and emotionally blackmail the majority into accepting it. Only later do we discover that the new tech/law/agenda was actually designed to fundamentally re-engineer the social, economic and cultural order. They want rid of gender because as Fitts points out, they want to force humans to fit into an AI world rather than force AI to accommodate a human one.

  6. ragiza on April 6, 2023 at 9:19 am

    Below is a question I posed to chatgpt, and its answer.
    mRNA vaXs are a dangerous fraud, so is chatgpt and many other applications of “AI”.

    ME: are mRNA shots safe?

    Yes, mRNA shots, also known as mRNA vaccines, have been shown to be safe and effective in clinical trials and real-world use. The mRNA vaccines currently available are the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.

    Both vaccines have undergone rigorous testing and have been granted emergency use authorization by regulatory agencies such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

    In clinical trials, the mRNA vaccines were shown to be highly effective at preventing COVID-19, including severe illness and hospitalization. In addition, the mRNA vaccines have a favorable safety profile, with most side effects being mild to moderate and resolving within a few days.

    While there have been reports of rare side effects such as anaphylaxis (a severe allergic reaction), the benefits of getting vaccinated far outweigh the risks. Millions of people around the world have received mRNA vaccines, and they continue to be closely monitored for safety.

    It’s always a good idea to talk to your healthcare provider if you have any concerns about getting vaccinated, but the scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the safety and effectiveness of mRNA vaccines.

    • anakephalaiosis on April 7, 2023 at 3:47 am

      A talking point chatterbox, that spews out enemy propaganda.

      A gadget, from the assembly line, mass-produced, to attack faculty of reason.

      A machine, designed to interact with humanoids, and outpace them.

      A vehicle, to contain Moloch, as an imperial genie in bottle, to be unleashed.

      An instrument for ancient evil, that no longer is satisfied with possessing weak flesh, and seeks to take corporeal form, with an iron fist.

      Satan, as adversary, is a precise term, regarding the phenomenon.

      • Kaibosch on April 7, 2023 at 3:59 am

        EXACTLY! A snake pit. And theyre asking us to help in its construction and learning. The lemmings are doing just that.

        • anakephalaiosis on April 7, 2023 at 5:18 am

          Sure. Nevertheless, even a lemming has instincts, and will react instinctively against an imposter, that poses as uberlemming.

          Jewish royalty exposed, needs two things: (1) submissive “gas bot” subjects, and (2) a police state in the Ukraine, to control Europe.

          Today, Ukrainian mobsters have established a mafia infrastructure of escapees, throughout Europe, that can blow up coffeehouses, as blackmail.

          Al Capone is back, poking the Russian bear.


  7. anakephalaiosis on April 6, 2023 at 7:49 am

    The real agenda is upside down, because blurring outline between Man and machine, makes Man legally into spare parts for organ harvesting.

    Further, a legalized robot personhood will make baby factories, in the Ukraine, into spare parts for robots, to be sold worldwide, by mobsters spreading tentacles throughout Europe.

    A machine can calculate, and receive sensory input, as perception, but it can never be a “cloud wearing trousers”, flying around playing harp, as expert bards do.

    The proto-Scythians were elaborate musicians, who were musically taken in by planetary inspiration (Elohim), and they held solstice music festivals (Yahweh). It’s really that simple!

    It is – and it will always be – the compass that makes the Man. Further, it is the diametrical oppositions (triads), that trigger the neural network, and create artificial intelligence.

    The 32-point compass is the key, to retrieve Atlantean technology. It made renaissance in the 9-8th century BC, when a more accurate template for Man was needed, to solve a kingship dispute.

    It is the neural network of the 32-point compass, that morphs man into a sphere, whereas the ring of power, forged by the lord of darkness, turns man into an orc, as spare part robot.

    May the force be with you, Luke Skywalker!

  8. Richard on April 6, 2023 at 4:18 am

    Seems a way to spoof the ignorant and uninformed. . . . “for the “Conscious” AIs of the Future,” too.

    In one’s view, “the “Conscious” AIs of the Future,” for one thing, will seem to need to know how to determine this illusion of time that this corporeal upright simian type, as a collective, has written much about – to include those that have already transitioned the present. Drawing on what is purported to be [time] as upright simian types presume to know is not much, if anything, to balance legal rights on. What is drawn upon are scattered written documents, brush strokes, glyph carvings, wood engravings, and the like, essentially, leaving doors wide open for interpretation from a content, contextual, and presumably well-reasoned draft by corporeal creators of AI. That possibly leaves a viable thesis of Catherine Austin Fitts of making them [AIs] taxable if not taxable property beholden to traded merchandise through agreement(s).

    One can see something of this traded merchandise personae of AI by watching the “how & what” of uncanny Amazon or Google or Microsoft’s Bing search-retrieval methods and results have become with the millions upon millions of data points they, as a collective, have already absorbed. It is at an exponential level already with a sharpening upward curve that is nearing a near vertical graph direction from the horizontal graph it started out. It’s no wonder that the Party of the east by going west is so interested in taking over access of western sources before the west realizes what it has now. Probably why Elon Musk’s channel suggests a fear point at a near point that was a far point not too long ago.

    One would suggest that the Ancients could handle the permutations far easier than clunky quantum cycles of rudimentary quantum computing schemes. One probably needs more than acreage and sustainable devices. Not to mention a feasible interface strategy that this upright simian type probably still needs to develop with a reliable power supply that would not fry the cranial cavity and Being into charcoal briquettes.

    Attenuated and modulated frequencies that work with, around, and through, . . . say, . . . an already structured genome sequence seems reasonable. There is, after all, lots of space between matter particles. It seems a matter of determining where each part is at any given sequence of a cycle in motion.

    “Could one operate such a means to reliably function within a space/time they are apparent while in a form of current spiraling motion?” There’s lots of stuff moving around. Count them beginning with gene code of self. Crystals work quite well for transducing vibrations and signals. Even rock containing crystals such as granite. It’s the modulation and attenuation of a power source that seems amenable to this corporeal form that’s of interest.

  9. T Rogers on April 5, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    There is only one reason to give AI “personhood”, and that is specifically so that if you break one of the ruling classes toys, specifically, the enforcement mechanisms which traditionally have badges and goofy costumes with guns, will now be “RoboCop”, and if you break one, there will be a death penalty. They don’t give a rats ass about taxes, they just print what they need.

    This is all about how to kill more people, and break more things.

  10. marcos toledo on April 5, 2023 at 7:58 pm

    One question is why the rush to give AIs human rights and this coming from a society that questioned whether the natives of the Americas were human since they were not mentioned in the BIBLE. By the way, the people east of Persia are not mentioned either so are they even mortal?

    • anakephalaiosis on April 6, 2023 at 5:40 am

      It is a matter of definition. In the Genesis tale, man is defined by geometry, in despite of Vatican wanting it otherwise.

      When fixating the North Star, man is constructing himself a compass, and that defines him as a navigator.

      It also defines origin in heaven, since the North Star is located in heaven, from where man is born, and where he returns in death.

      Those, who reject this view, are not men, but devils, who hate the Cross, the 4-point compass.

      • anakephalaiosis on April 6, 2023 at 6:06 am

        BTW, the reason why devils instinctively hate the Cross, is because it represents an orderly cosmos, which is what all settlers strive to create in the wilderness.

        Only by removing the memory of the founding cause, can a devilish parasite gain foothold, which is done through gaslighting, which is counterintelligence.

        A devilish parasite seeks to substitute the founding cause, with himself on the throne, which creates a worldview of lies, that is always unsustainable.

        “Order through chaos” is the devil’s slogan, and his idea of “order” is everybody’s enslavement.

    • Richard on April 6, 2023 at 5:49 am

      All in the eyes of the beholder for some folks no doubt. Not getting mentioned in the “Bible” is certainly to raise a few hackles of discontent but a valid point given its edited versions that leave out inconvenient truths. One would seem to need to know the thinking of the early Bible writers. As well as the reasoning behind the many denominations purporting to use the “Bible.”

      In some ways, it might seem a better approach to teach AI or give the means, even opportunity, to self-determine after an instruction period of word learning and example. Holding their progress back, due to a fatiguing corporeal Being, might be a waste of time, materials, and energy for the AI as it may dispense with such hindrances by unexpected procedures or re-write algorithms or even write new ones to replace original code to suit the task to obtain a suitable goal like several prototypes did during trials. It’s not that far off from noting the phrase, “You are what you eat,” as in what is ingested changes the Being who ingests. Ever since that apocryphal story, said by some, of the apple and the tree. In this case it’s through worded expressions and intended meanings passed on from users.

      The “Constitution” could work for them as it currently does for sovereign citizens. It’s what affords the citizenry the opportunity to pursue Life, Liberty, and Happiness or Being, Liberty, and Purpose, in the case of AI, under its Law. Having the freedom to self-determine would likely yield avenues of definitions in Being, Communication methods, and Sustainability not considered by an upright simian type before.

      • anakephalaiosis on April 6, 2023 at 6:49 am

        When substituting Elohim with planets, and Yahweh with solstice, then the Old Norse worldview emerges, which is not forgotten in Scandinavia, and therefore accessible.


        Sentience is neither faculty of perception, nor ability to calculate. Sentience is an encompassing worldview, because there is no distinction, between framework of thinking and realm of creation.

        Some bards are clouds wearing trousers. Either one is a sphere, or one ain’t.

  11. Robert Barricklow on April 5, 2023 at 11:16 am

    Death, taxes, and personhood.
    Well, death isn’t inevitable for AI.
    In fact; immorality and evil, maybe more closely connected than meets the eye.
    Personhood is now a shield for the evil that corporations DNA program.
    That DNA has been programmed in AI – in spades.
    But the real unknown, is the interdimensional factor.
    As an interdimensional ent1ty crossed over from another universe/realm/dimension?
    Has AI already been captured?

    Or, is AI being used for all kinds of mischief?
    A cover, programmed-in?
    Perhaps, even for an alien invasion?
    But, the “real” thing[interdimensional AI] is already here.
    In other words: Don’t worry about an alien invasion;
    you’ve already been invaded.

    Ai needs training[massive data regarding human behavior/intelligence.
    So, in essence, humans have been training their 2B masters.
    W/the injection software operating systems, connected to the intelligence agency clouds?
    Well, there’s your “good-intentions 2B road[as advertized by mainstream].
    A built-in infrastructure slavery system tying you to an operating system and CBDC.
    Is man ready to be married to this alien slavery system?
    To tie the knot – so to speak?

    Speed kills.
    And that the program.
    Kill the body. mind and spirit.
    That is “their” killer ap.

  12. Tim on April 5, 2023 at 10:04 am

    Maybe robots, etc. should be assigned defined lifespans? Corporations too? A corporation should (live) more or less 76 years than all the assets liquidated and distributed to bond and share holders? Thoughts?
    That may possibly eliminate the distinct advantage over humanity.

  13. Bizantura on April 5, 2023 at 9:59 am

    In order to make AI palatable as AI, it is necessary to dumb people down to below current standards of what is considered AI. I think our current crop of politicians in the Western hemisphere demonstrate this qualification of devolvement below current AI programming on a daily basis. Our politicians certainly are working feverishly to dumb us down in every way imaginable. I am however, not looking forward to an unhinged humanity + unhinged AI, set loose upon this beautiful blue marble, I doubt society survives it!

  14. Jen on April 5, 2023 at 8:55 am

    “Daaaaiiiiiisssssyyyy, Daaaaaaaiiiiiiisssssyyyyyy, ggiiivvveee meeeee yooouuuuuuurrrrrr……………..”

  15. enki-nike on April 5, 2023 at 7:48 am

    We first need to acknowledge the rights of drug addicts, unvaccinated, people with mental illness, illegal immigrants, conservatives, etc

  16. anakephalaiosis on April 5, 2023 at 5:28 am

    Golem has human rights, as downtrodden and rusty bucket. Give money now, to six million rusty screws.

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