This is a much more intriguing story than the bland headline of this blog might indicate.  The story was spotted and shared by V.T., and like all such stories, something "caught my eye" that didn't quite make sense to my scientifically untrained hack-from-South Dakota brain.  Here's the story (see if you can spot it):

EUREKA! ‘Huge amount of water ice’ discovered on Mars after new radar experiment – and would form ocean if melted

Now you'll note that this article has an intriguing sub-header; "The discovery," we're told directly beneath the headline, "is raising many questions for researchers."

I'll just bet it is.

The discovery, the article notes, was made around 2007, but scientists were then unsure just exactly what it was that they had discovered:

These buried deposits, which are several kilometers thick, were first discovered around 2007.

However, scientists weren't sure exactly what they had stumbled upon back then.

"Given how deep it is, if the MFF was simply a giant pile of dust, we'd expect it to become compacted under its own weight," says physicist Andrea Cicchetti of the National Institute for Astrophysics in Italy.

They have come to conclude that these several-kilometers'-thick "things" are, in fact, big ice cubes... in short, water...  and lots of it:

"This would create something far denser than what we actually see with MARSIS," she added.

"And when we modeled how different ice-free materials would behave, nothing reproduced the properties of the MFF – we need ice."


"We've explored the Medusae Fossae Formation again using newer data from Mars Express's MARSIS radar, and found the deposits to be even thicker than we thought: up to 3.7 kilometers (2.3 miles) thick," says geologist Thomas Watters of the Smithsonian Institution.

Ok, well and good. Mars has water, which has long been suspected ever since the 19th century astronomers Giovanni Schiaparelli and Percival Lowell first observed their "canals" on the surface of the planet, leading to speculations of Martian life and even that the "canals" were just that: great irrigation ducts. Over time, as observations improved and as space probe pictures were received, the canals entered the history books as another disproven idea, and water was confined to Mars' polar ice caps, and to the bottom of a few craters.

Then came Van Flandern's exploded water bearing planet hypothesis, and the geological evidence on the surface of Mars itself, that the planet looked like it had been concussed with a massive amount of water. Indeed, the planet exists in two geologically contrasting halves, one half scoured away and stripped, as it were, of its surface, the other half with that surface intact. And then quite evident geology suggesting the presence of water and even of oceans, once, long ago, on the planet. And then along came Dr. John Brandenburg, an American plasma physicist (!), who has noted that there is evidence of massive fusion and fission nuclear explosions on the planet. Stir that in and mix well with Graham Hancock's observation that when you're looking at Mars, you're looking at a murder victim, and you get a very strange picture indeed.

But this discovery is about much more than just the presence of a lot of water ice on the planet, and not at its poles. It's about this one statement from the article:

In fact, there's so much water ice buried there that if it were to melt, it would cover Mars in a shallow ocean between 4.9 to 8.9 feet deep.

In other words, the entire planet of Mars would be under water, a veritable "lost continent" on a planetary scale.

But then, if that is the case, how in the name of sense did all that water gather itself together and stay together long enough to get frozen into gigantic subsurface icecubes?  what mechanism might explain that?

Well, one advantage to not being a scientist is that I get to speculate wildly, becoming a source of entertainment for those who are scientists. My speculation is that one can only account for such massive amounts of frozen subsurface water on Mars by a sudden and cataclysmic event, one moreover, that would quickly and rapidly rip away whatever dense atmosphere the planet may once have had and hence exposing the surface of the planet to sudden cold, and in a sudden deluge of water, rip away a lot of its surface water, trapping some of that water beneath a plasticly fluid surface mud that resulted from the sudden deluge, and then as the temperatures suddenly cooled, freezing that water beneath the surface...

...  a scenario that makes some sense if, as Dr. Van Flandren speculated, the missing and exploded planet that used to be in the asteroid belt was water bearing, and Mars was its close neighbor... Notably, it's a scenario that can be tested by examining if the region where these ice cubes are found show evidence of such surface dirt plasticity... or mud... at one time. In Wikipedia, the Medussae Fossae formation where these water ice slabs are found is described in a manner at least minimally consistent with this hypothesis:

The Medusae Fossae Formation is a large geological formation of probable volcanic origin on the planet Mars.[1] It is named for the Medusa of Greek mythology. "Fossae" is Latin for "trenches". The formation is a collection of soft, easily eroded deposits that extends discontinuously for more than 5,000 km along the equator of Mars. Its roughly-shaped regions extend from just south of Olympus Mons to Apollinaris Patera, with a smaller additional region closer to Gale Crater.[2]

Later it states this:

The origin of the formation is unknown, but many theories have been presented over the years. In 2020, a group of researchers headed by Peter Mouginis-Mark has hypothesized that the formation could have been formed from pumice rafts from the volcano Olympus Mons.[5] In 2012, a group headed by Laura Kerber hypothesized that it could have been formed from ash from the volcanoes Apollinaris MonsArsia Mons, and possibly Pavonis Mons.[6]

An analysis of data from the Mars Odyssey Neutron Spectrometer revealed that the western lobe of the Medusae Fossae Formation contains some water. This means that this formation contains bulk water ice. During periods of high obliquity (tilt) water ice was stable on the surface.[7] By means of a re-analysis of data from Mars ExpressMARSIS radar, Thomas Watters found evidence about the existence of large underground water deposits in Medusae Fossae up to 3.7 km thick and covered by hundreds of meters of dust.[8]

But there's a strong counter-indication:

Combining several gravity models of Mars with the MOLA topographic dataset allowed calculation of the density of the deposit; the value is 1.765 ± 0.105 g/cm3, similar to the density of terrestrial ignimbrites.[9] This rules out significant amounts of ice in the bulk composition. In combination with the deposit's high content of sulfur and chlorine, it implies an explosive volcanic origin. The total volume of the deposit is 1.4 × 106 km3; such a large deposit might have been emplaced in periodic eruptions over an interval of 500 million years.[9]

This said,  however, it is to be noted  that the Wikipedia article contains suggestive pictures of the Martian surface in that region, pictures that suggest fluid flow.... which could be lava, or water.

In short, with the hypothesis of water ice on Mars at Medussae Fossae, we might be looking at yet another confirmation of the Atlantis myth, and of the exploded planet hypothesis, and yes, of the cosmic war, and the long association of Mars with war.  Someone may have - per Dr. Brandenburg's hypothesis - been exploding gigantic nuclear bombs over or near the red planet, and someone may - per Dr. van Flandern's own suggestions - have deliberately destroyed that missing planet... Krypton.

How will we know?  Beyond the spectroscopy thus far applied and the speculative extrapolations drawn from it, we'd have to drill a few core samples from various places of that "water ice" to determine those cores' composition, and if they are indicative of a volcanic origin, or if volcanic compounds are significantly missing. The trouble is, we're a long way from landing a probe that can drill to those depths much les return a core and then analyze its composition.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".

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  1. Integralis on January 28, 2024 at 4:33 pm

    While watching the recent Dark Journalist interview I was reminded of The Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky.

    I’ve always been of the opinion that they are a lot more accurate than they might be given credit for.


    Oh and I was also reminded of the 90s version of Total Recall:


  2. Kevin Ryan on January 27, 2024 at 12:13 pm

    Unless the Medusae Formation/Fossae conforms to a pattern suggestive of volcanic plumes or flows, which Photos of Olympus Mons may show, this volcanism hypothesis seems sketchy. Also, it seems like with a volcano emitting super-heated steam and lava, the “water” is in such a kinetic state – how does it end up in the ice cube tray buried in the Medusae Fossae? Is this like saying – we just discovered a massive ice formation under Sedona, AZ, and we think it’s from the Volcano outside Flagstaff? The name Medusae suggests this water on Mars was flash frozen, since a look at Medussa would turn a person to stone. Given the affinity between life and water, and NASA’s professed interest in finding evidence of life on Mars (whether Nasa would share such evidence with us is another matter) maybe they will repeat their moon experiment and crash a missile into this buried ice formation and have a satellite analyze the ejected material; or land a rover on this location and look around for a flash-frozen wooly mammoth with a mouthful of Martian grass or a flash-frozen ET phoning home that the End Times are near. And if there’s ice underground, there must have been ice on the surface that did what the ice cubes in my freezer do if left for too long, which would point to sublimation putting water vapor/molecules in the Martian atmosphere. Maybe Medusae would be a good place to drill and to sample the air for traces of water vapor. And look for traces of critters that have tunneled into this formation to access the water. Like animal trails in the african savannah leading to water holes. Signs of life. Or maybe Nasa already knows about much higher life forms on Mars and prefers the charade of “the search for life on Mars.” Control the facts, control the narrative.

    • InfiniteRUs on January 28, 2024 at 10:36 am

      Without plate tectonics vast quantities of underground water likely stay trapped under the crust and have some sort of cycle where there are temperatures favorable for such. When cracks and fractures do form some of this water may rise closer to the surface and dissolve away voids to be filled where they can or fill pre-existing lava tubes. Super heated water zones might be the cause of Mar’s quakes.

      • InfiniteRUs on January 28, 2024 at 10:50 am

        If there is life on Mars it most likely would be near these warmer, water containing zones. There could be habitable zones on most planets at underground depths where conditions are favorable. If the Earth has microbial life in minerals deep underground and in such zones than so might other planets. Perhaps it was our plate tectonics and volcanism that seeded underground microbes on the surface where they took root where surface conditions were favorable. Eventually, deep underground formed microbes may have evolved and adapted into what we see today covering the Earth. Perhaps simple microbial life is formed first in deep underground habitable zones and only are able to colonize the surfaces of planets that have surfaces favorable for such.

        • InfiniteRUs on January 29, 2024 at 9:07 pm

          The mineral chemistry of planet Mars itself is very edible to certain organisms found on Earth. Underground hot springs would especially be yummy. Then there would be the microbes that evolved to eat these simple microbes. Then those that evolve to eat those. Who knows, some could eventually get rather complex and mobile where conditions allowed. Don’t need light for life to get started, just energy. Welcome to the very possible and plausible deep underground biomes of Mars and some of their likely denizens that are also found on Earth. https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/chemoautotrophic-and-chemolithotrophic-bacteria-weathering-agents

          • InfiniteRUs on January 29, 2024 at 9:18 pm

            Wouldn’t surprise me if there were huge oil deposits to be drilled on Mars due to underground biomes billions of years old, LOL. Possibly big enough to fuel industry and begin terraforming the planet in the same process. It would be time to ship all our factories away from China and to new colonies on Mars where global warming and climate change is a bonus!

  3. Nidster - on January 27, 2024 at 5:02 am

    Thomas Watters [waters] found evidence about the existence of large underground water deposits in Medusae. Hmmm, sounds a little bit like that Greco-Turkish myth described in olden times as a human female with living snakes in place of her hair. Or perhaps it has shades of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.

    • anakephalaiosis on January 27, 2024 at 9:52 am

      The philosopher’s stone is just a natural seed, that grows a tree, throws an apple, and reboots the cycle, which is trivial observation.

      The image was used, as a proto-runic allegory, in Elijah’s curriculum, that decided rightful kingship in Samaria, and thus the fuss about it, amongst souffleurs (wannabes).

      Breaking the 6th seal, opens the scroll, that contains Odin’s triple runes: “fall, death and rise”, which produces apple and sprout, as the original regalia (orb and sceptre).

      Odin (Adon) is known, as Hermes and Mercury, in Greek and Roman spheres.

      The original alchemy, in nursery rhymes:

      ᚣ Fall in Fall

      I recall, that I gave up ghost,
      beerless in empty toast,
      and in my last call
      before fall,
      I hung thirsty uttermost.

      ᛠ Winter Death

      Then I fell rock bottom clash,
      like rotten apple trash,
      and my wild rover
      in hangover,
      was dead drunk backlash.

      ᛡ Spring Sprout

      When I woke into resurrection,
      I needed my reparation,
      and angel schnaps
      lifted caps,
      and boosted my levitation.

      • anakephalaiosis on January 27, 2024 at 10:10 am

        BTW, when this became the conclusion, in 2017, that christianity and heathenry share same theme, then common origin had to be traced, which ends up with Elijah’s curriculum, as a hypothesised common source, which produces a lot of derivatives, where amongst, Scythian Crimea becomes a power locus of great interest.

        • Peter Sazonoff on January 28, 2024 at 10:28 pm

          Where can one find good information about the Elijah’s Curriculum initiation? Is there a chain of masters going back through the generations?

          • anakephalaiosis on January 29, 2024 at 7:41 am

            1. Elijah’s curriculum is a hypothesised extrapolation, where the runic and biblical narratives are predictably able to intersect, on the timeline, based on the assumption, that the runes contain the original solution, to Elijah’s problem.

            2. Elijah’s problem was civil war, a patriarch dispute, because the “patriarchal blessing” had become a power tool of privilege, rather than simply a blessing, and, a better method, to elevate wits, had to be invented, which resulted in the runes.

            3. Initiation, in shape of the seven seals, is simply following the natural path of building an ego, and breaking it down, which means returning to a former state of childish innocence, while being fully awake and aware, becoming what is, and was.

            4. Breaking the first seal, opens the scroll of the child, which reads, as four runes: play, upbringing, reward and friendship. Breaking the seventh seal opens the scroll of the Grail runes, which is the geometry of creating a sundial, a Doctor Who’s “time machine”.

            5. Odin/Adon is the template of the druid, and the runes provide the mirror, whereby anyone can measure his own mileage on the natural path, and bodhisattva is having completed that journey, and gone beyond the sundial karma wheel.

            6. Pilgrimage is the only book, that can ever be written on the matter, written by every single footstep on the way, which is exactly, what the runes are: a roadmap of a pilgrim, from crib to grave, where those, further ahead, are rightful as kings.

            7. In modern geopolitics, Crimea has become a power locus, being fought over, because it marks the time in space, when Elijah’s curriculum rose into dominance, and produced the Scythian century, which dealt a mortal blow, to the Assyrian empire.

            8. Old English is a steep climb, and this simplified version of the nursery rhymes, roughly interpreted, is a quick read, just to satisfy the curiosity of what type of thinking went on, in Elijah’s mind, when he was mulling at the brook, with Odin’s ravens:


            Elijah’s curriculum = compass ideology = runes.

  4. rohat77 on January 26, 2024 at 8:23 pm

    Shout out to Richard C. Hoagland. I stumbled across his presentations at the United Nations back in the early 1990’s. NASA, indeed, stands for Never A Straight Answer. NASA always maintained that there was “no evidence” of water on Mars and ridiculed people like Hoagland and others who pointed out the obvious.

    BUT, I don’t see how subsurface frozen water could flood Mars, if melted. (You gotta watch the movie Total Recall, also) As water freezes it expands something like 10% or so. If it melts, it’s volume will decrease and also find every crook and cranny to seep DOWN into. It’s not going to bubble UP and cover the surface of Mars.

  5. marcos toledo on January 26, 2024 at 5:08 pm

    This brings up two questions how much water is really on Mars and how old is Venus. Venus surface is reported to be 500 million years old could it be that young and is it still cooling down as for life on Mars as early as the Viking landers there were indications of life on that planet why all the coverup all these decades what do our rulers fear?

  6. anakephalaiosis on January 26, 2024 at 7:28 am

    In my runic cosmology, planets are both “flying mountains” and “circumscribed ideas”, and I make no distinction, between those two categories, and, the epistemological reason, why I deliberately entertain such fluidity, is “mind over matter”.

    Black Elk’s epistemology: his Six Grandfathers – which is entering the compass idea, and set up an Olam clock – will, given time, automatically produce such technologies, that affect all aspects of the Kardashev scale.

    That is also the underlying reason, for a cosmic war having been fought, because insights, that are guarded by a “flaming sword”, are desired by parasitical elements, whose trademark is the “divine right of kings” doctrine.

    The cause of the cosmic war is encapsulated in the imperial sales pitch, in 701 BC:

    Thus says the king of Assyria: ‘Make your peace with me and come out to me; then every one of you will eat from your own vine and your own fig tree, and drink water from your own cistern, until I come and take you away to a land like your land, a land of grain and wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of olive oil and honey, that you may live and not die.’ (Eckart Frahm: Assyria)

    The Roman Catholic Church, and its royal double agents, leave a distinct fingerprint, whose ongoing “heir vs. spare” drama, in Denmark and Britain, is another Punch and Judy, in an attempt, to control the backlash, when Jewry on the European thrones is exposed.

    Mad King George & Co:

  7. Michael UK on January 26, 2024 at 6:16 am

    There are some errors in this post. The missing planet was identified as Phaeton, not Krypton. It dovetails neatly with Greek Mythology concerning Phaeton losing control of his chariot of the sun across the heavens and Zeus hurling a thunderbolt at him to prevent further damage.

    The exploded planet hypothesis is fundamentally about ‘disruption’. Some scientists still favour this theory in preference to the widely accepted ‘accretion’ model for the asteroid belt. However, according to the Titius-Bode Law there should be a planet where the asteroid belt is now. That is a rational theory that still stands.

    • anakephalaiosis on January 26, 2024 at 8:36 am

      In contemporary mythology, the planetary cataclysm spawns a Superman, and a Luke Skywalker, in response to a criminal intent.

      Assyrian dismantling of an ethnostate “planet”, spawns likewise a Scythian retaliatory response, in Crimea, which, in shape of Saxon, populates Europe.

      In the Vatican, Emperor Palpatine, whose Roman Catholic clone soldiers are crusading, by tune of Death Star, intends to blow up a Ukrainian “planet”.

      Cronus is Olam, and Achilles’ shield is sundial cosmology, and the Greeks revolt, against their Titan origin, by a Trojan Horse.

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