11,000 YEAR OLD TOWER
This was really interesting:
World\'s First Skyscraper was Monument to Intimidation
If the archaeologists are correct and this structure really is 11,000 years old, then what we're looking at is, perhaps, a threefold mystery. For one thing, it might turn out to be yet another site on the "earth" grid, and judging from the astronomical alignments and peculiarities of the site, it fulfills at least one of the conditions for such earth grid sites.
But for another thing - notice that date: 11,000 years old. It this is correct, we're looking at something old enough that, as the article linked points out, was built at the time humanity was supposedly just transitioning from being hunter-gatherers to agricultural. Such a tower near the ancient ruins of Jericho, however, is another little monkey wrench thrown into the works of that academic model. This date would place it around 9,000 BC, that is to say, roughly during the same time period as the date proposed by Dr. Robert Schoch and John Anthony West for the (re-)dating of the Sphinx. The fact that we're looking at such an old tower of course reminds one of the story of the Tower of Babel, which occurs in the Biblical version of th story in close temporal priximity to the Flood, which most revisionist researchers date to ca. 10,500 BC.
Any way one slices it, this is an intriguing story and it raises many questions, not the least of which are the reasons archaeologists think the tower was built, namely, it was nothing but a construction projust whose sheer scale and size was designed to being about communal living and socialization. In other words, it was a project that was designed to aid that transition from being hunter-gatherers to agriculturally-based communities.
My bet? My bet is not only "wait for more data," but also, "Look closer." The tower is a tall hollow tube, meaning, that it will have a certain acoustic resonance. That places the structure into a very different category indeed...
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I find it amusing that one group of “experts” thinks that this tube tower was built in 10 years but another group of “experts” says the Great Pyramid took only about 25 years to build. And for anyone who has seen the documentary “Revelation of the Pyramids” here we see again the concept of the ‘meter’ for unit measurements. Of course this story says ‘about a meter’. Another laugher in my opinion… Oh oh the scientists are sure about cosmological alignments and neighboring mountain peak orientations but the width of those stairs is only ‘about’ a meter. Uh huh.
maybe you should look at a monument in africa called adams calendar, look for michael tellinger on the subject.
adams calendar is up to 75000 years old and there are traces in south africa indicating that settlements were build as early as 200.000 years ago. check it out.
in my mind (Yikes! It is unlike any others I know of), the GReat Pyramid goes back..ahhhhhhhhhh..I dunno exactly..but a long long time ago and certainly is a monument that demands more investigation than what is most often considered and is certainly taller than the little tower there in Jericho.
As far as I can see we have not,evolved..we have devolved..we have “fallen” from a much higher and much more pristine existence..again..as exemplified by the Great Pyramid over there in Egypt. (Maybe that pile of crystal imbedded granite megstones..is also a radio type machine or device and it is now broadcasting new knowledge and “revolutionary” information into its environs..after all we are witnessing a “revolution” today of such purity and such “Unity{ of purpose ad of such pacific intentions that everyone riding along on this ball o mud is being influenced and inspired)
Just read the”Giza Death Star” and the other books written by Joseph on that arcane subject, so the mind can be set free from ALL preconceived ideas about History, Mathematics, Geometry, Physics, Metaphysics, Architecture, and “antiquity”(did I leave anything out?). We are going to be forced to reconsider almost everything we believe about “reality” once this theater piece we call modern existence is over.
How long before it becomes the tower of babel for some folks…..?
I would be interested in seeing the scatter graphs for the dating.
The explanations given in the article were very poor indeed. The technical papers would be interesting to read. I would be interested in examining the governing paradigm for their conclusions as well.
‘Here have a 28 foot hollow tube with no real context to speak of-it’s just a monument to the sun and people’s fears’…give me a break…..
I must be weird-I am a creationist who doesn’t see theistic evolution or evolution as being viable. However, I am not a fan of a strict 6000 year history either and I am opposed to any form of Christianity that teaches prosperity doctrine or academic stupidity.
I love how this site brings a range of interpretations together. As Fox Mulder once said:
‘The truth is out there’
I too have many problems with theistic evolution and, of course, with 6000 year old creationism as well. My misgivings about prosperity doctrine stem from very deep misgivings about the entire edifice of Christian doctrines, but that is another matter and perhaps someday I’ll address it. For now I am positively overwhelmed with work, but I deeply appreciate the kind words and encouragement.
For what it is worth Joseph I deeply appreciate the efforts you have gone towards in fleshing out some very exciting, frightening and paradigm challenging ideas.
I know you are ‘retired’ from the theology warzone, however there are a few ideas you have mentioned in some of the podcasts with Georg-anne Hughes which have me intrigued and which I would like a little guidance in exploring. I would like to put these questions in an email so that you could put me in the right direction source wise if that is ok?
I had some real fun with my Year 11 Ancient History class examining the Machine Hypothesis and Weapons Hypothesis. They were intrigued and the first question was…….’Why haven’t we heard this before?’. Not-that’s impossible!
I had a wonderful time driving home the idea that any speculation or conclusion should be considered providing the methodology is sound-not controlling via perception what is sound.
We looked at the Antithykera Mechanism as an example of compounded observation and engineering to show that ancients were not stupid, but very logical in so many ways.
The task is to shovel off the idiotic mindsets that call for mundane, boring institutionalised views of science, archaeology, biology, physics and so on. We need to be people who think freely and speculate logically.
Actually, the edifice of Christian doctrines depends on which writers
you are dealing with. (anyone catch Harold Camping’s act? THE WORLD
ENDS OCT. 21, 2011 he says!)
Prosperity doctrine is really slipshod to put it mildly, and in fact, seems
to be the unexamined false premise of the “comforters” of Job, of whom
God said they had spoken wrong about Him, and was angry with them,
so therefore Job, He said, was to make a sacrifice of a bull or some such
animal for them, and pray for them, that God might forgive them.
Even in His anger, God is providing for our atonement and forgiveness.
Regarding prosperity, Christ said, that (a) the lillies of the field and grass
are well dressed better than Solomon in all his glory, yet they dry out and
are burned in a day, and (b) the birds are fed by God, “and not one falls
to the ground [i.e., dies] without The Father” He is with even the birds and
animals, but “be of good cheer, you are of more value than many sparrows,”
not they are of no value, but a prioritizing thing. a hierarchy of valuation.
Then He goes on to say, that therefore we should not worry like the gentiles
do about what to eat or drink or wear, “but seek ye FIRST the Kingdom
of Heaven and its righteousness, and these things will be added to you.”
You get what you NEED, not just what you want. I remember praying for
years for a car, didn’t get it. But every time I needed a ride, I had one.
The prosperity crowd has got the cart before the horse, and is aiming
for a bigger classier cart and fancier horses and more of them, than they
need to be good servants of Christ. SURE, you got some mental emotional
dysfunction that is interfering in your life, God can and will help you, and
this may include you get a better job and, don’t forget to HELP THE POOR
with this increase of funds.
If we just stick to the basics, in the early Ecumenical Council’s dogmatic
definitions and the Creed, which was hammered out in a context of reacting
to heresies and exaggerations, and done by men steeped in Scripture whose
whole lives consisted of study of Scripture, which in turn was what was
accepted from the Apostles as legitimate, WE CAN’T GO TOO FAR WRONG.
HELLO, FRIEND!
It’s amazing the variation of possible beliefs that can be entertained when dealing with ‘origins’
For me I can’t see theistic evolution or evolution as possible-both theologically and scientifically. However, interference is an idea that is worth investigating.
Having said that-there is quite a big question mark concerning our ancient past which needs to be investigated.
There is so much ‘perception management’ going on in so many quarters that conclusions are hard to come by.
Believe one idea and you have one or two points sticking out as anachronistic, believe another and the same thing occurs. It reminds me of the political dialectics which are common in many countries. Believe the policies of one party and you have a few issues that are not being dealt. Follow the other and the same thing occurs.
I guess that is why I stick to a theological view of origins-but with an open mind as to how long ago these events may have occured and who was involved. man made scientific investigation cannot be seen as dogma-it has screwed up too many times. On the other hand being a mindless zealot is just as ignorant. It is my ‘third position’ of sorts….
Had the opportunity to investigate the Power Plant thesis and the Weapons Hypothesis’ for the Great Pyramid in my Year 11 Ancient History class a few days ago-they were intrigued. Tied this with artefacts such as the Antikythera mechanism to show that ancients were not stupid.
People want to know-not the dogmatic crap that has been engineered by various parts of society.
Thanks for posting this Joseph. I read the article and was more fascinated by the comments that the actual article. Have you read them? Very interesting indeed. If I am reading this correctly, it was originally attributed to a graduate student of Tel Aviv University and the expressive tone of the article seem quite sophomoric. I was immediately reminded of your recent talks about higher education. It looks as though the readers of these articles are more educated than the posters of the article. Strange and funny at the same time.BTW. a little note about my education.If you see spelling errors or run on sentences please have patience with me. I quit school in the 10th grade and was self educated until I started college at age 48. It’s been a wonderful ride.
Flood at c. 10,500 BC? I got creation for that date and somewhere
around 6,000 to 5,000 BC for the Flood. Never know how much
space you can work in to the begats, especially with variations
between Masoretic, Samaritan and Septuagint rescensions,
and the fact that a grand or great grandparent might be referred
to as a parent.
This is only my speculation, based upon my belief system, although please understand that I will not denigrate yours! I believe it is fully possible to be a devout Christian while still understanding that: the earth and by extension the solar system is about 4.5 billion years old. There are sun-like stars that are billions of years older than our star system. For the most part, science has gotten a lot of things right because scientific method, independent of one’s personal points of view, does work well wherein theory retains its ability for being falsifiable as scientists endevour to disprove a theory rather than prove it. Again, this is only my speculation; no better than anyone elses! Read Dr. Paul A. LaViolette’s thesis of “quantum kinetics” and matter creation that might tend to falsify the currently standard “Big Bang Theory!”
I agree that theistic evolution is a valid approach, anything
will do as long as you factor God into it as causative and
to some extent controlling some extent letting run loose.
(foreordination and free will together)
However, I have gradually come to this position what I call
a mid range earth age creationism. Radiometric dating has
a LOT of problems and Darwinian evolution is fast being
challenged by two alternative evolutionary theories, both
of which are presented in atheist format, but whose natures
both are compatible with, in fact require, divine intervention.
There are odd little things, like salt levels in the sea (in
terms of how long it takes to get that much), distance of
moon from earth since it is slowing receding, and other
things, that point to a start time of around 12,000 BC.
that’s just for us, of course. What was going on elsewhere
and for how long is anyone’s guess. But even the red shift
has an alternate explanation, that would totally ruin the
usual cosmology of age, speed and distance.
Then there are astronomers like Halton Arp and the late Sir Fred Hoyle who’ve argued the hypothesis of the “Steady State Universe,” wherein they see evidence that the universe is not only vastly infinite but has always existed with no beginning or ultimate end. How about that as a dichotomy with respect to various creation hypotheses including the origininal “Big Bang” thought by most cosmologists to have occurred around 13.7 billion years ago! As for the antiquity of man, there are the Hinduists Michael Cremo and Dr. Richard L. Thompson who argue in their voluminous “Forbidden Archaeology” evidence they believe indicative of anatomically modern humans having existed for hundreds of millions of years! Then again, the famous physicist Michio Kaku did say that time travel is theoretically possible!