A 1933 GERMAN PILOTED ROCKET LAUNCH?
More and more information keeps coming to light about the real state of affairs of the advancement of science and technology than we have hitherto been told. This one was sent to me by my friend and colleague Jim Marrs, and I thought it was worth commenting upon here:
Did the Germans launch a crewed rocket into space in 1933?
Hope you caught that:
On October 29, 1933, the London Sunday Refereepublished a report from Rugen, an island in the Baltic Sea, just off the coast of Germany. Someone named Otto Fischer had flown inside a 24-foot steel rocket, to an altitude of six miles. Were the Germans really testing out a rocket that could carry people, nearly three decades before Yuri Gagarin?
Reports said that Otto was the brother of the rocket's designer, Bruno Fischer. The flight had been made in total secrecy because of a fatal attempt at a launch the previous year, combined with the fact that the flight had been made under the auspices of the Reichswehr, the German War Ministry. The rocket, the Referee reported, had been constructed in the town of Barmbeck, near Hamburg, and transported to Rügen.
"On Sunday morning, at 6 o'clock," the paper reported, "Otto Fischer shook hands with his brother and the small group of Reichswehr officials present to witness the experiment, and crawled into the rocket through the small steel door.
Ruegen, once again. For those who don't know the story, this is the island where at least one alleged German atom bomb test occurred (See my Reich of the Black Sun), as witnessed by an Italian officer (Luigi Romersa), and a German pilot (Hans Zinsser), the later of whom described the signatures of a nuclear blast to his no-doubt astonished American interrogators, right down to EMP and continued combustion of nuclear fuel in a "mushroom cloud."
Ruegen, I also noted there, was a home to the activities of one Lans von Liebenfels' New Order of the Templars, and Liebenfels was, of course, the racist bigot ex-Catholic monk whose magazine, Ostara, was an inspiration to a young Adolf Hitler trying to eake out a living in Vienna. The connections of the Baltic island with deep occult projects in Germany is thus long and established. Now, we add to this, a story, reported in a British newspaper, of a manned rocket flight.
While I must disagree that this accomplishment should be compared to Gagarin's flight - after all, Gagarin was orbited - it is nonetheless a remarkable achievement.... if it occurred.
The article continues to note that Willy Ley, the German rocket scientist who defected to the USA before the war, tried to spin the whole story into something of a comic opera farce involving the City of Magdeburg, banks, and a few thousand Riechsmarks. I've long held a few suspicions about Willi Ley, and the reasons for his defection, but I won't entertain those here, except to ask the question, is such an achievement at that time really all that far-fetched?
The answer to that question lies, as always, in technology and its adaptation to new uses. In both America, Russia, and Germany, Goddard, Tsiolkovsky, and Von Braun and many others were pushing the boundaries of rocket size and payload beyond anything hitherto seen. And the promise was such that, in Germany, the Heereswaffenamt (Army Ordnance Bureau), began major backing of rockets as a prospect for long range strategic bombardment almost as soon as the Nazis took power and began secret rearmament.
The technology certainly existed: and it boils down to two basic essentials: (1) a rocket big enough to boost a payload of, say, 150-200 pounds to 30,000 feet, certainly within the capabilties of the day, and (2) a pressurized cabin able to preserve living conditions for a human being for the time period of the short duration of the flight. Germany, with its long history of investing in u-boat technology (ask the British!), certainly had the expertise to construct the latter as well.
Nothing, really, is technically unfeasible. The real question is why it would have taken so long for such a flight...and the answer again seems obvious: with the looming war clouds of World War Two, every effort had to be made to weaponize the technology, to turn it into long-range pilotless bombs... human flight in rockets would have to wait a little longer...
See you on the flip side.
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I camped out on Rügen for a week. It`s a lovely place. Except for all the skin-heads.
As its my first post (sorry if its too long) hello to everyone and congratulations to Dr. Farrel for his work
About this possible rocket launch, i must mention Hermann Oberth, one of the “founding fathers” of modern rocketry and space travel. He was in Germany in 1929 working as scientific consultant for the first science fiction movie, “Frau im Mond” – “The Woman in the Moon”. He designed for that movie a multistage rocket powered by liquid fuel and having a presurized capsule for people send to the Moon. He even wanted to make a smaller scale model to be launched at the premiere of the movie but they didnt have funds for that. And supposedly later the Gestapo confiscated all the blueprints of that rocket.
It is so not impossible that he was asked to design a real rocket few years later, having all the means necessary at his disposition (money and materials, provided by German army). Later he moved anyway in Germany and worked there during Nazi regime
Interesting is that his first doctoral dissertation on rocket science was rejected as “utopian” in Germany and he get his doctorate on this at a University in Romania (he was born and lived for a while in Romania). Ah, and he had as student in Germany a young guy named Werner von Braun
Another interesting thing is that he was born in Sibiu (a town in Romania) where back in 1500’s lived a guy called Conrad Haas, again of German origin, a chief of Arsenal in Habsburg army.
He was actually the first person who designed a 3 stage rocket (using solid propelant, many mixes made by his colaborator Ioanes Olachus-John the Wallachian/Romanian who owned a powder mill on a nearby town).
Some of his sketches (discovered at city archives just in 1960’s) show rockets big enough to carry a small house on top of them (as the drawns show).
There is an even less know Romanian-German connection, from late 30’s-early 40’s when Henri Coanda, a Romanian inventor was supposedly asked by SS to join the German war effort.
Coanda created in 1910 the first jet airplane, but who didnt worked well (was ahead of its time so less good materials for the engine who was a new thing back then and he didnt have funds to develope the plane after the crush of the only prototype).
Anyway during that experience he observed the so called “Coanda effect” for which he obtained a patent in France (where he lived at that time) in 1934. However, in 1935 he obtained another patent, for a so called “flying saucer” machine, based on Coanda effect and using same jet technology.
There is a History Channel documentary i think, about “Earth secret flying saucers” or so (can be found on youtube as well), where is an interview with one of most proeminent Romanian aeronautical engineers (he is dead now) who was 20 years old when he saw a demonstration flight of a small scale flying saucer prototype, at Coanda house in Paris. This was in 1932.
Coanda was still in Paris in 1940, when Wehrmacht occupied France, and supposedly SS get their hands on all patents from France archives, including about Coanda “flying saucer”, and either used that or asked Coanda himself to join their industry to build those flying machines.
From Coanda declarations in 60’s (he was in US at that moment), such saucer shaped flying machines was about to be build, flying with few thousand km/h with a large autonomy and being quite light weight compared to traditional aircrafts.
Some of his patents and copies after them are available for public in different places (museums, archives) but is not talked about them too much (except the Avro stuff who is pushed in front and which i think was a simple cover up).
Coanda knew Tesla as well, with who he said he had some interesting talks at some point.
And both of them are put somehow in a shadow, or some of their realisations or inventions are intentionally “downgraded” or “dismissed” or ignored in some media circles.
And such conection might have a result in 1968 when Warsaw Pact invaded Czeckoslovakia and wanted to do the same with Romania (there is a very interesting book about this, by an American historian, Larry Watts, but he is most known here in Romania).
But incredibly they didnt do it, even if Soviets alone massed at least 25 divisions at borders, not to mention few Hungarian, Polish and Bulgarian ones.
The most spread rumor here (many say its just a “fantasy” or “invention” because sound very strange), about why they didnt do it is that some kind of “laser” or “plasma” gun was used against them. When Soviets send their first tank over the border that was either “melted” either “vaporized” (depend which story teller you hear) so they stoped the invasion on its track. Supposedly Brezhnev was quite furios, threatened with nuclear weapons but US and Chinese involvement make him cool down.
1968 is the year when Coanda returned in his native country Romania, bringing with him lots of his personal papers (he visited the country before too, and had contact with persons from our secret services back then)
Something happened anyway because the Romanian dictator remained in power, defying USSR and doing his own politics how he wished, until was overthrown in 1989 (many say with the help of USSR but US too), after he payied all the country debt to IMF and other foreign entities and declared we can make our own nuclear weapons and missiles.
His best buddy (Ghadafi) followed him later, his other best buddy being the grandfather of the actual North Korean “dear leader”, forgot his name (Kim Ir Sen i think) which make him a reception in North Korea greater then to any Soviet or even Chinese leaders back then
So yes, i do think that many things are presented different (or not presented at all) in official history
LE
Sorry, about that documentary on “flying saucers”, it was made by Discovery Science not History Chanell.
And another interesting thing related with what i post above, Romania was the first communist country who recognized the Federal Republic of Germany, despite the strong oposition of Soviet Union and the other Warsaw Pact countries who was against that at the begining of Cold War
Hi Radu,
great info, fascinating read (I always love hearing new concepts about which I haven’t yet been aware)- many thanks for this posting-
as both sets of my grandparents came from Siebenbürgen in Romania I have always felt drawn to this land like a magnet, as if I somehow had previously lived there- a dream came true last summer when I did a 10-day “Carpathian” bus tour- it was almost a catharsis- but my gut impression was there’s something very mystical, almost eerie about the Carpathians, as if this area still contains unlocked secrets (well, just for starters start with the legend of the Pied Piper of Hamlin whose kidnapped children disappear into a mountain in the Carpathians- not that I take the story literally but there’s always an encoded message in legends)
and I was also greatly impressed by the incredible friendliness, helpfulness and hospitality of the Romanians- oh, and did I forget to mention the wonderful food?-
I feel that Romania is one of the last European frontiers of suppressed esoteric knowledge- start with the “Romanian Sphinx”- was sadly not included on my tour…
I just ordered Radu Cinamar’s “Transylvanian Sunrise”- can’t wait to read it and then make up my own mind about it’s contents-
may I pay you a compliment: your English is better than most native English speakers in the US who can’t even put one grammatically correct sentence together! (I have the right to criticise this: I’m a former NE Ohioan)-
I apologize profusely for the length of this reply-
many warmest regards to you Radu and to all-
Larry in Germany
As I read your reply, “..encoded messages in legends”, I found myself adding, “…legends [AND fairy tales].”
Hi Larry, and thank you very much for your words. Glad to know someone who have ” roots” in my same area, aka Transylvania (again, sorry for the offtopic and the lenght of my post, promise to not happen anymore)
And glad you enjoyied your tour, Carpathians are indeed some fascinating mountains and all the area is very cool. Except some forests in Northern Europe and some in Ural mountains of Russia, here is the last parts of European primeval forests, and we still have something like 40%-60% of all European bears, wolves and linxes in this woods.
And many prehistoric, ancient and medieval relics, ruins and constructions
About the Romanian Sphinx, it is an interesting rock, indeed, even if the oficial view is that is a natural formation (but many dont think is 100% natural)
Here is another rock at least as intriguing, called “the old man” (is located in same Carpathians, northeast of the “Sphinx”
http://www.buletindecarei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/rezervatia-12-apostoli-www.jpg
I saw even opinions that Carpathians Sphinx was shaped like that by Neanderthals (who wasnt at all the wild and dumb type they are usually depicted) many tens and tens of thousands of years ago.
About Radu Cinamar’s “Transylvanian Sunrise”, here is considered more like a fiction novel, based however on rumors and legends about underground locations in Carpathians. The ancient Dacian god Zalmoxis supposedly retreated in a cave there and disapeared (go to the “otherworld” ?) for 3 years to resurect after to show his followers the truth of his doctrine of immortality.
Another legend is related with so called Solomonari, powerful wizards who can control the weather and capture and ride dragons. They need to attend at a school located deep underground in the “bowels of the earth” (the entrance and exit is in the same Carpathians) where devil himself is the teacher. They are mentioned in Bram Stocker Dracula too i think.
However ethnologists consider this Solomonari (also named ‘hultani”) is actualy an ancient Dacian priest cult who survived somehow hidden in Christian era (at least for a long enough period to survive in legends, mention of them in stories appear until XX centuries, with villagers saying they meet ones).
Their old name (beside Hultani) was lost, and they received the name Solomonari (those who are like Solomon or did like Solomon) under Christian influence, as biblical king Solomon was considered a powerful wizard too. Their “bad” appeareance is considered as well as coming from Christian influence, who tried to eliminate the old pre-Christian beliefs.
And as interesting matter of fact, prince Charles of UK buyied several properties in Transylvania, and come here frequently, even one of his sons spent the Winter holydays here. Charles is here again this days, and to present himself more cool in our eyes even said at some point he is somehow related with Vlad the Impaler, which i find is not that impossible, even if not quite realistic either, i think.
hey, Radu, thanks so much for your reply and for providing more info- very appreciated- you are just so incredibly well-informed about your own culture- I’m gob-smacked-
“Charles…even said at some point he is somehow related with Vlad the Impaler, which i find is not that impossible, even if not quite realistic either”- I think it is very possible if one is allowed access (not very probable) to the true geneology of the Battenbergs but that would be another vast topic-
I hope to return to Romania in the next few years- if so maybe we can go out for a coffee together 🙂
many warmest regards,
Larry
Hi Larry
Thank you, and yes, i am sure we can meet and i am sure we can have some very interesting discussions then
About Vlad and Charles, it is possible, indeed. I just saw a picture of all the royal heads of families (including the Emperor of Japan or from those Islamic dinasties) who participated to that festivities at London, something related with an aniversary of British queen, and first one at the right of Queen was the former King of Romania.
However his roots are German (another connection) from Hohenzollern family, but this royal families of Europe seem to be related together with all kind of marriages betwen their members so even at “blood level” since quite a while (he is a kind of relative to UK queen). Anyway his grandfather i think was the first who switched to Orthodoxy as religion (main religion in Romania) and signed our entrance in WW 1 against Germany, following Romanian interests at that moment, for which he is very well saw and highly esteemed here.
My best regards
These things may finally be seeping into the minds of the “mainstream.” Once the realm of “alternative” press or researchers, others are starting to pay attention. Maybe with the Cold War 20 years past, more records are being opened, more curiosities raised. Still, much is still classified. Last year saw books like “Grey Wolf” and “Area 51” open these subjects to a wide audience. Of course, the defenders of the status quo scoffed. The UFO Fundies abhored any idea about Roswell that didn’t include aliens. But the thinkers and seekers of truth have found the open door and entered it.
“More and more information keeps coming to light about the real state of affairs of the advancement of science and technology than we have hitherto been told”
no shit- if the testemonies of Douglas Dietrich are to be taken seriously (I repeat: “IF”) then the Nazis at least test-exploded the “bomb” for the first time in Estonia during WW2-
but Dietrich’s testemonies are orthographically un-documented- he just relays information he says he accrued during his time as initially an assistent librarian of the Department of Defense base at the Presidio site in San Francisco-
some of his testimonies are available on YouTube but most of what I listened to were on small, local radio stations (one particularly mind-boggling interview was on a radio station in the small town of Alliance,Ohio- but I can’t find it anymore- lost in the ethers)-
Charles Frith (former commentator on this website) used to link this info but what has happened to CF and his former website?- gone with the wind…
Douglas Dietrich is worth investigating- then make up your own mind-
many regards to all,
Larry in Germany
Um, how would heavy U-Boat gear be applicable to a space capsule, which–when launched atop a rocket–needs to be really light weight?
Werner Von Braun would have been 21 years old in 1933. I’d imagine the preparations for such a launch, if it took place, were going on for at least a couple of years. So that would mean that someone probably older than Von Braun would have been the primary organizer–during the Weimar Republic.
Sadly, it is unlikely any of you will evolve into your solar self state(s) (too materially forced-focused, your cunning master’s work) – but if you did, you’d see the Ships: thousands of them, as real as you are by far. Now, back to your books; its all you ‘have.’ Everything is going apace to Plan. Get a big gulp or beer. And some popcorn, peanuts or crackerjacs – (you’re the show). Not funny; more like, “moo; baah.” Truly. Poor alpha-ape specie of Earth, bewildered by the enforced game of “iq.” Some on this planet were/are ready. Laugh – cry; sigh – die.
Not so hard to believe. Buster Crabbe was soaring all over the place
in the thirties as Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.
I saw them. When I was a little tyke in the forties my Father took me
to the movies every Saturday morning to witness the films of those
rockets in action. Really, I kid you not.
The popping sound you may have heard was my tongue being pulled
from deep within my cheek.
What can you guys expect from an old semi educated guy who barely scored high enough for Mensa.
science fiction double feature
scored high enough for mensa, not bad for a parrot, this one flew the coup once the inmates took over
Just picked this up:
http://veteranstoday.com/2012/05/30/breaking-exclusive-japan-attack-german-terror-intel-group-complicit/
Dr Farrell, this artcle runs parallel to some of your historical threads.
Isn’t this a whale of a tail?
Or, “On the Eve of Destruction”?
Frightening Article.
What pray tell lies beneath this “scare” tactic?
For, quite frankly, I’d like to think it is not genuine.
Anyone?
What is your intial “off the cuff take”?
Just heard that Texe Marrs
has called the story “propaganda”.
Texe Marrs is a fundamentalist Christian and injects
that into everything he thinks and writes, so how ‘right’ can he be?
Perhaps not:
Sometimes an easy-out is deadly.
For this article is certainly deadly, & when a “friend” emailed me that Texe had vetted it thus, …I took the easy-out.
One reason I put it here, was because this site has a variety of “truth” seekers. Of course, this is one story I don’t want to be the truth. But if it is, perhaps it wide distribution can post pone it. Because, the message is one that I can believe, simply because of its sheer madness.
Texe Marrs and Jim Marrs are NOT the same person. Why interject Texe Marrs into this discussion? Dr Farrell has said this information was sent him by JIM Marrs.
When my “friend” sent the email he wrote Texe Marrs. They are very different. Still, I was relieved, that there was someone who was checking it out.
The friend then asked me to send him what parts I felt were true. I complied & have not heard back. Presumably, he’s checking his “freiends”.
The story may have “legs”, as the so-called journalist sometimes “coin” it.
I replied concerning Texe Marrs and not mixing them up
with Dr Farrell’s main blog as Jim Marrs is very good,
for the most part, as an investigative reporter and
bona fide journalist.
My reply on ‘Texe’ still stands.
I have one book by him that I thought might be worth
the reduced price I paid, but now I can’t find it !
It’s probably buried somewhere around me 😉
Thomas Jefferson declared, “The people cannot be all, and always well informed. The part which is wrong will be disconnected, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain silent under such misconception, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to public liberty”.
The indolent have become frozen to inaction. The Plan cannot be broken by the dead. Talk-talk. Those who vibrate at the spped of death will reap as they have sown. The HoloConstruct is “so real.” Glamour. Enjoy.
Just an aside note.
Finished The Last Circle/Danny Casolaro’s Investigation into THE OCTOPUS and the PROMIS Software Scandle.
I could some it up w/a W.C. Foelds quote,
“Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people.”
But near the end of the book the author was writing about “financial instrumentsbelieved to be bona fide obligations(debt) of the U.S. Department of Treasury; that five of thses instruments had already been taken and settled. The Chinese said they were settled w/payments from Chase Morgan.
The author wrote of “original etchings ” of a $100 million Note. She(author) was advised by Guy Lawson to read the 2003 book/Gold Warriors: America’s secret recovery of Yamashita’s Gold.
Many interesting and despicable parts to this non fiction work.
Justice = Just Us
It certainly is plausible as the European Armies were messing with rocket artillery in the Napoleonic Wars. 118 years later who knows what advances they made.
This sounds like Alan Shepard Sub Orbital 27 years ahead of 1961.
If it occurred.
That was very perceptive.
Tungheston or whatever the place in Russia was according to EYE Witnesses a blimp like object and then a sun bomb went off back in 1908. Even the butterfly blast area of a atmospheric nuclear explosion was evident when Scientist finally got over there to investigate some 20 years later.
Looks like the French were upto something back in the day, look at this old coin….http://www.rense.com/general5/FrenchCoin1680s.jpg…and its made of gold.
Tesla/J.P. Morgan?
The 3 wise men of the east
If this is true, all I can say is WOW!