OK...some people have asked me repeatedly what I think about 9/11, and most of those comments have been coming from Facebook, but since my reply is rather long I thought I'd finally post here what I think about it, by way of citing a letter I wrote to my cousin Douglas Martin (Marty) Farrell here. Mind you, this is my opinion. I certainly do not hold my view dogmatically nor would I argue that others trying to figure it out are not entitled to their own opinions.  Anyway, here's what I wrote to my cousin:

Well, truth to tell my own take has always been that there is an "op within an op within an op", i.e., three, not two, levels, and hence, three players, and I will try to synopsize who I think the players at each level are and why. I emphasize that this is pure speculation on my part, but I hope at least a rationally argued one. We may also view this "op within an op within an op" scenario as a Venn diagram with three circles, an outer one, a middle one, and an interior one, with the members of the innermost being aware of the other two levels, but they not of it, then the middle layer being aware of the outer layer, and then finally, the outer layer which is oblivious to the manipulation and existence of the other two. It may dimly be aware of the existence of the middle layer, but not I would imagine of the innermost. For reasons I shall get into, I believe the middle layer became aware of the existence of the innermost at the moment of the collapse of the Twin Towers. The nature of that collapse, and the fact that it could NOT have been any kind of controlled demotion (conventional [demolitions charged, thermite] or unconventional [chain-molecule fuel air bomb]) was a message sent by "someone" to "our" elite, imo. On this view, the significant evidence is not the airplanes (or lack thereof), but the physics signature of the collapse of the towers themselves. Finally, this "op within an op within an op" scenario takes, or rather, accepts for the sake of argument, the standard line of the 9/11 truthers that there was an element (the middle circle) of home-grown participation in and organization of the operation. But THAT element was penetrated, used, and manipulated by the innermost element to send a message, who in turn sent a message to the middle layer. Thus stated, we have the following elements, players, and motivations:

1) The Outer Layer; comprising fanatical Muslims flying planes into buildings to strike a blow against the "Great Satan." Perforce, such an operation requires financing, covert and secure communications, and thus some connection howsoever tenuous to some intelligence service capable of carrying out such an operation. There are any number of candidates here, though the most obvious would be Saudi Arabian, Pakistani, Iranian, Iraqi, or even Egyptian intelligence; but those groups are ruled out by the next layer:

2) The Middle Layer, comprising – as the "standard 9/11 Truther" scenario would have it – the participation of elements of the Anglo-American elite and their intelligence connections. Certainly the various intelligence alphabet soup agencies of the USA and UK would be capable of coordinating such an operation. The purpose was to orchestrate a crisis that would allow the projection of American and British power into the Middle East and Central Asia to secure those energy reserves. The game plan was, in other words, always what it had been: use everyone else's oil and natural gas first, then our own. At this level, all the "terrorist" activity on 9/11 is relevant to the case, as were subsequent events. But, to the surprise of the conspirators at this level, there was quickly evident another player whom they had not banked upon:

3) The Inner Layer, the Hidden "Third Force": This level reveals itself in two ways:

a) The USA was, as is now well-known, specifically warned by the intelligence services of three nations that something major would likely happen on American soil in that week; we were warned by:

i) the Israeli Mossad;

ii) The Russian FIS (successor to the KGB); and,

iii) The German BKA and BND;

b) the physics signatures of the collapse of the Twin Towers, none of which, taken as a whole, amount to demolition charges of any sort, or airplane fuel, for none of these things can account for:

i) the lack of rubble from two 500,000 ton towers;

ii) the fact that paper did not burn while cars on the ground – some of which were far from the towers, did. The distance of these cars in any case was too great for their burning to be caused by ambient heat from the fires, which in any case were far above the ground. No kind of demolitions theory can or is able to account for this fact. In addition, many of these vehicles show completely anomalous types of burning, with some of a vehicle totally toasted, while the rest of it is completely intact. In my mind, this is a signature of ignition via a resonance effect rather than ambient heat causing the fires. Thus, the conclusion is:

iii) the anomalous collapse of the Twin Towers must have been caused by a very advanced directed energy technology of the scalar-torsion sort I describe in my books. I can reach no other conclusion regarding the Towers, and only the towers.

This brings us then to the question of who was operating at that third level, and why. First, the "who". Who is likely to have possession of such technology? The list, if you compare all the data in my books, is very very narrow:

1) Russia (having begun to investigate it almost as soon as WW2 was over). In this respect, consider only how Putin and Medvedev have quite deliberately thumbed their noses at the USA since 9/11;

2) Israel (allegations only here, and no supporting evidence of possession of the necessary arrays);

3) France; (via Gavreau's investigations of infrasound weapons under President De Gaulle);

4) Japan (possibly, though I am not aware of any array as might suggest possession of it);

5) Brazil (strong evidence for Brazil's possession of it because it is known that one of the Nazi scientists involved in the Soviet research subsequently made his way to Brazil and did the same work for them); Brazil's rather feisty and independent "energy" policy are an indicator that they have something in their possession and that they aren't playing completely by the rules of the Anglo-American corporate elite;

6) Germany (one of the few nations besides the USA and Russia to have large "HAARP-like" phased array ionospheric heaters);

7) China (perhaps, though the case is purely speculative. It would be a logical step for them to take, but their work, like the USA's, would lag behind that of other nations);

8) the Japanese Yakuza (allegations only here, without substantiation);

9) Some progeny of my so-called postwar "Nazi International" extra-territorial state. Oddly enough, the case for its possession of such technology can be made quite strong, since I argue that the Bell

a) is a device relying upon precisely the kind of physics in evidence at the Twin Towers;

b) Nazis continued to work on it after the war and successfully spirited the project away to who-knows-where after its inadvertent exposure by Peron;

c) they were intimately involved in secret projects in Brazil;

d) the fact that the Soviets were willing to allow the German scientist (Dr. Richard Hellmann) out of the Soviet Union would seem to indicate a hidden player or influence in his release. He goes to Brazil, where he works on precisely this type of physics and technology.

So, with this list in hand, we can narrow the field considerably, since we know three nations' intelligence services were involved in warning the USA: Russia, Germany, and Israel.

In my opinion, we may discount the latter, because Israel would have no reason to strike against the very nation from which it gets so much largesse. While some might argue that Israel would be a logical choice because they wanted to create the conditions for an injection of American military power into the Middle East, this makes no sense to me, for the Mossad very likely would have known of the plans of our own elite at the second level of the conspiracy to do that anyway, and any Israeli involvement, if discovered, would conceivably jeopardize that goal. I conclude therefore that Israel was not involved in the second level of operations, nor in the third, but, since it knew of at least the second level, it was "playing it safe" and hence warned this country of imminent danger.

This leaves Russia and Germany, both with powerful motives for "sending a message" to the Anglo-American elite. First, Russia: since Putin assumed power in Russia, what we have there, in my opinion, is essentially a neo-Tsarist, nationalist, government, that well-knows the role of the Anglo-American elite in installing the Bolsheviks in 1917, and in the subsequent rape of Russia. Putin, if you examine his domestic and international moves carefully, seems to have taken deliberate steps to remove that influence within Russia, to send very powerful warnings to the Rothschild wing of the Anglo-American elite (by basically having one of their known bag-men murdered), by his clear signal to Europe and America in the South Ossetia matter, and by basing Russian warships in Venezuela. However, the pattern of his moves also reveals that Russia probably did not deploy its advanced technology on 9/11 to bring down the Twin Towers, because that pattern does not exhibit direct challenges to the Anglo-American elite, nor would Russia risk a potential war.

This leaves Germany, also with powerful motives for sending a message to the same elite, and even more so, and I believe with a demonstrated willingness to use such weapons. It is my belief that during the run-up to German reunification, that the massive earthquakes that the Soviet Union experienced were artificially induced, and that they were most likely induced by the German government, and not by us. The reason I am relatively confident in this speculation is that Germany's geopolitical moves, made almost on the day that the "wall came down", was to crack-up Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and to put major pressure on Poland, which Warsaw had to knuckle under to. These moves were made by Chancellor Kohl's government, in many cases, unilaterally and over the protests from London, Paris, and Washington. Additionally, Kohl had numerous ties to "extremist right wing" groups (I'll leave you to read between the lines here), in Germany, which groups in turn played a major role in driving the German reunification. And one final note, the current chancellorin, Angela Merkal, is the only head of government in the world that I know of, that has a PhD in physics! Aint that interesting. And in my mind, that's hardly coincidental. Both German intelligence agencies – the BKA and BND (their versions of the FBI and CIA/NSA respectively) – each had their own roots in the Nazi bureaucracies that established them.

But, like Russia, once again, Germany itself has only flexed its muscles in such a way as to avoid any direct challenges. Thus, the pattern of Germany's geopolitical maneuvers since the reunification and since 9/11 does not support the thesis that Germany was the third player, even though Germany has sent combat troops to Afghanistan (in my estimation, a token effort, since I believe they have quietly and covertly opposed the USA at almost every step in Iraq since prior to the first gulf war. After all, it was Germany that sold Hussein all his chemical, biological, and nuclear technology). So, overall, I have to reject Germany as the hidden player, though I suspect they were intimately involved at the deepest level in some fashion. That's my intuition talking, nothing more.

So we are left with two very unlikely candidates: the Japanese yakuza, within its very strong imperialist and fascist revanchist political philosophy, and some version of my Nazi International extra-territorial state, with, in my mind, an all but proven track record of the postwar investigation of precisely the technologies to bring down the Towers. Radical and wild and woolly as I think this scenario sounds, it does in my mind rationalize the rather odd signs of "panic" that "our" elite has shown since 9/11, for consider the almost frenzied rush into Afghanistan and Iraq (whose true and ultimate purpose, I think, involved much more than oil, and I hint about that ultimate purpose in my books repeatedly). Realizing that they were faced with an extra-territorial state with possession of extraordinarily sophisticated scalar-torsion technology that had been successfully weaponized, they launched a "war on terror" with radical Islam as the fall guy, when in fact, the real target is something completely different and much more frightening. The behavior of the financial elite during the bailout crisis is another signal, at least to me, that someone has the gun to their heads, they acted like people being blackmailed by some hidden "protection racket" by insisting on "no oversight" back in 2008. The only people in the historical record that wielded such financial and technological clout that I can think of were, in fact, the postwar Nazis.

There is a final, even weirder, consideration, and that's Ian Fleming and his James Bond novels/films. Many people have always considered that he was "leaking information in the guise of fiction." Well, consider the movie You Only Live Twice, where you have the following elements clearly displayed:

1) An international conspiracy that is extra-territorial, called SPECTRE (Society for the Promotion of Extortion, Criminality, Terrorism, Revenge...);

2) That society has a secret space program and is using it to interfere with Russian and American space launches (shades of the recent collision of an American and Russian satellites in orbit above the earth), and to bring the two nations to the brink of war;

3) That society has a heavy presence of Japanese criminal underground; and finally,

4) It is headed by an obviously German fellow named Ernst Stavro Blohfeld (played by Donald Pleasance, and thus, plump, middle aged, and almost Bormann-esque in appearance)

So if one grants the proposition that Fleming is "leaking information", then the conclusion is obvious as to what he's trying to say. And I believe this to be the case because in effect this is what my own research has been able to verify, in that, I have been able to argue points 1,2, and 4 are most likely true, and that would seem to indicate that point 3 is as well.

So my "op within an op within an op" scenario is basically that someone, with probable access to hidden space technologies, and with all but certain access to weaponized versions of scalar-torsion technologies, brought the Twin Towers down. That "someone" is some sort of rogue extra-territorial organization, with deep and historical connections to the radical Islamic underworld, and that leaves me with, guess who, the Nazis. Thus, I believe the second level of that 9/11 conspiracy, our own home-grown elitists, were once again played the fools by the outer and innermost rings of it, in a sort of "squeeze from below squeeze from above" methodology, a methodology that elite has used itself numerous times.

By using that specific methodology against the very people that use it themselves, the message was sent: we know your game, and lookie lookie what we can do, what we have possession of. We can literally turn your centers and instrumentalities of power to dust before your very eyes. We are deeply penetrated into your own covert agencies and plans, and the game is now afoot.

Consider also the Masonic symbolism of what was struck in that way: the Twin Towers, the twin masonic pillars of Jachin and Boaz, sitting in the heart of the Anglo-American elite's financial district. Richard's analysis of the esoteric symbolism at www.enterprisemission.com is as far as I'm concerned right on target, as is his analysis of why radical Islam would be involved. I think, too, he might be willing to entertain my particular "twist" on his scenario, in that one has not only radical Muslims, but worse, unreconstructed Nazis involved with it, after all, the historical connections between the two run very deep. The Muslims do not have access to such technologies, whereas the Nazis were investigating them with a vengeance since at least 1933!

 So, that's it in a nutshell...  Hope it helps clarify my thoughts on the matter..."

And that, indeed, is my take for now, though people should be aware that I have not investigated 9/11 nor the truthers movement in any detail. My thoughts are formed from impressions I've gathered of other arguments, but not on detailed examinations of them.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. amrta on March 4, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I’m sure many people have seen this already, but whoever put this short little piece together was brilliant:

    Please dovetail with the information put forth by Dr. Judy Wood:


  2. Vinnie on September 15, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Please add this little 48 sec video of a different picture of the demolition of bldg 7 to everyones files.

  3. Vinnie on April 24, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Dr. Farrell,
    Could you be more specific as to who you think this deeper element within govt is and how they were able to pull off what now seems to be a Veruska doll as regards the attack? Were they behind the sudden removal of the power of norad commanders to launch planes without orders from SecDef? Were they able to make sure the survellence tapes of the pentagon were never released, or the cover story that the black boxes were never recovered?
    To my simple mind, this was the execution of the plan spelled out in the 90’s by the PNAC, implimented by an element of neocons within, the mossad to plant the charges and handle the security in the buildings, and the funding as well as the “patsies” being supplied by Saudi Arabia, with Pakistan also playing some part.
    Why was no one demoted for allowing this to slip by? Why was the best evidence destroyed and shipped to China? Who has the power, just as in the Kennedy murder, to order such a coverup? Who has the means and the motive?
    If we have nazis involved, it seems that they’re so deeply embedded in the neocon structure at the highest levels, to where none of this would have been a surprise to anyone inside the govt who knew this was coming.
    And why have we never been told who shorted the airline stocks? Who has the power to keep those records from the public when such information proves criminal foreknowledge?

  4. lady o on April 21, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Hi Dr Farrell,
    Crossing the Rubicon — the book written by Mike Ruppert which first exposed in detail how 9/11 was orchestrated by the Bush administration and others [Cheney sat in the bunker with wife, Lynn] is so concise, it was brought as evidence in the first initial attempt to indict elected officials. Copies of memos and other secret documentation are included.

    Since that time, a virtual landslide of evidence and personal accounts of people who managed to escape the WTC have been made public leaving ZERO DOUBT that our government did not simply overlook or oversee the murder of 3,000 American citizens but actively took part.

    I am surprised that these facts are not included in your reply.
    Do you have all the facts? If not, I can send them.
    lady o

    • Joseph P. Farrell on April 22, 2011 at 8:37 am

      I have no doubt there was some level of involvement but my own view, contra Ruppert, has always been that there were three levels involved in this, and that those elements within the power structure of this country that were involved were caught by surprise by a thhird and deeper element

      • O. Normann on April 22, 2011 at 9:13 am

        I agree Farrell, another way of looking upon it; is to start with the deeper core, who actually planned the whole operation, then using layer two (Mossad and Israel computer firms) and three (neo-cons) as a decoy and to confuse researchers into a lesser nobility. and at the outer layer the mainstream social engineering by the media.

  5. Vinnie on February 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    This film is over an hour long, but I can’t help recommend it to everyone for the overview that it gives to the corruption that lies beneath the very thin layer of what we’ve come to accept as reality. It points in the direction that I think Dr. Farrell’s work will eventually be pointing to as the source of our troubles and it’s not shocking to find that there appears to be one primary institution behind the funding of all the wars, depressions and economic upheavals that have been so destructive to mankind.
    The film is by no means exhaustive on the subject and offers many areas of interest that anyone who’d like can delve deeper into. I look forward to the books that Dr. Farrell will produce on the subject.
    Enjoy, if that’s the word, a peak into how the world really operates. You’ll be unpleasantly surprised to find that just about everything we’ve all learned or been taught to believe all our lives are nothing but fictions, designed to keep us mindlessly toiling for the benefit a small band of parasites.

  6. Bill on January 24, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    I’ve always had an odd feeling about why those massively huge Twin Towers would collapse so relatively fast following the jet airliner impacts. Officialdom states that certain structural elements supporting the integrity of the buildings were compromised by hot burning jet fuel. Seems to me, if that were the case, the Twin Towers should’ve remained standing for QUITE A LOT LONGER than they did! Torsion/scalar weapons technology use makes sense. I’m sure if they wanted to, they could’ve caused ALL the buildings to collapse over the entire city of New York along with the Twin Towers! How would Officialdom have EXPLAINED THAT!

    • Bill on January 24, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      Ergo, the lack of any somewhat complete bodies or body parts of those unfortunate victims in and around Ground Zero. The Twin Towers were so efficiently and completely pulverized; so must have been the victims. I remember that Steven Speilberg version of “The War of the Worlds” where the aliens, after having emerged from out of the ground, began pulverizing the fleeing people with some kind of death ray, their bodies being turned instantly into DUST while leaving their clothing intact to drop to the ground. Do you see a similarity here with the fast pulverization of the Twin Towers as these buildings and their victims are literally instantly turned into so much flying DUST in the air?

  7. Jim on January 10, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    These people also appear to using various forms of mind control, including those techniques that use religion . There are so many suicide bombers and people willing to die for some one else’s world domination/ control through terrorism plans. There is also the dumbing down through our education system to prevent the truth from being known. The god of this world has blinded the minds of men to the truth to where we are destroying ourselves. The fallen angels seek to destroy mankind by having us destroy ourselves. Because we are created in the image of God the Creator, Satan and the fallen ones seek to destroy us. The fallen ones have deceived evil men into performing massive human sacrifices through the NAZIS killing the Jews and the abortion of the innocent unborn. The knowledge that the NAZIS and other World dominators use is the payment for this human sacrifice. Lucifer, the “Light Bearer” seeks to steal worship from the Creator by his massive deceptions. Satan does provide great knowledge to those who does his evil bidding.
    I am sorry for this rambling, but I had to write this while my thoughts were fresh on the subject or else it wouldn’t get written. I am usually clearer in my communications. Jim

  8. vinnie on January 6, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    If that’s the case, why the cover up? And who but the the federal govt could have been involved to keep lid on? Who gave the orders for NORAD to stand down while the planes flew around for almost an hour with their transponders off? Why was the war game, able danger being run the exact same day and same time with the same script if not to serve as a cover for the attack as it went live? Where are the black boxes? Why aren’t the many survellence cameras surrounding the pentagon released so we can see what actually hit it? Why were there no bodies, baggage or parts of the airplane found and why wasn’t the lawn damaged? Airline pilots have stated that it’s an impossibility to make an aircraft perform such a maneouver as this plane is alleged to have made. What are we to make of the dancing Israeli art students? Why the lies about the cell phone calls? What was dick cheney’s involvement per Norm Minetta’s testamony? What of the damage to the underground structures of the twin towers and the many firemen and employees who swore there were explosions in the lower levels? Why was no one demoted or fired for this breach of security? Have you examined the PNAC manifesto that lays out the objectives and the need for a “Pearl Harbor like event” to bring the American people to support the adventures they laid out for the middle east and around the globe? Look at how the patriot acts have in effect overlayed this country with the same type of fascist police state as in Nazi Germany.
    I suspect that the nazi connection is alive and well but as a strong influence on those who would directly benefit with the expansion of the anglo/american system of commercial credit based on the production of fiat/debt based currencies. This had to have been home grown with full participation of other nations and their intelligence agencies to pull this off. I suspect that both israel and saudi arabia for their own reasons are being used to create a dialectic to allow the US into the middle east to check both Russian and Chinese penetration and to secure the oil and opium of the region. And that’s probably just the tip of the iceberg.

  9. Jay on January 6, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Bond first: I thought SPECTRE was an invention of the movies, not the Fleming books. The Bond movie really worth a look–is “Diamonds Are Forever”. SPECTRE(very clearly linked with Nazi scientists) has hijacked a Howard Hughesque empire to build space base weapons. Harry Salzman, involved in producing many of the early Bond films, had ties to British intelligence.

    The date September 11th: That’s when US forces first crossed the border into Nazi Germany in 1944. The US forces came up to Strasbourg from the South of France, not Normandy. Those US forces were then recalled back into France even though there was next to no German military resistance in the area.

  10. lordshandor on January 3, 2011 at 8:52 am

    I hope this becomes a book of yours.

  11. evermore on January 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Freaking Amazing analysis!!!! Thank You!

  12. Thomas Malone on January 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    And let us not forget the UFOs, and I mean UFOs using the actual meaning of “Unidentified Flying Object”, that appeared over an active volcano in the southern area of Japan. In the big climax of “You only live Twice” we see 007 going down into a volcano to get it on with SPECTRE. And remember that the volcano itself is highly engineered to function as a base.


    Added to all of this is the long held rumor/belief that the Ark of the covenant itself is now being stored either at Ise Shrine (The mother shrine of the Shinto faith in Japan), or on/in a Southern volcano/mountain here in Japan. More on that once I pull up my files on a different computer.

  13. Justina on January 1, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    I think your theory makes sense.

    I have always remembered that video Osama Bin Laden released
    afterwards. Maybe you have covered this also somewhere and I
    missed it.

    But he denied having ordered it, while congratulating “whoever
    did do it,”

    And he looked……bemused.

    Like he really had no idea who could have done this other than his
    own people, no one else he knew of could do this sort of thing, not
    to mention all that went into allowing it, but his people, that is,
    Al Qaeda not the Arabs per se of course, didn’t do it.

    That remarkable set of coincidences up to delay of response and
    something odd about air traffic, NORAD and whatnot I forget the
    details, again would be consistent with the Nazi infiltration scenario.

  14. Edgar Poe on January 1, 2011 at 6:16 am

    Interesting perspective on 9/11 but more importantly: analyzing Ian Fleming in greater detail. I am amazed you found this link and good for you.

    For American consumption James Bond was provided, however, if you look very closely at Ian Fleming’s (and I think he had a huge part in Operation Paperclip if he didn’t establish it himself when Nazi’s were split into three groups at Camp 165 in Scotland) T-Force (Target Force) in WWII, you will find that he used exactly this same technique that guaranteed the agents would reveal nothing even under torture for fear that his or her handlers would release images of pedophile oath taking ceremonies involving, well whatever they did to the children in Dachau which was shown to the prisoners at Camp 165.

    In fact, study the Fleming family and they were deeply involved in banking and finance and their firms have deeply embedded in them former SAS. These people are extremely capable of almost anything.

    • Joseph on January 1, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      Hey thanks for the comment… I was unaware of this aspect of Fleming’s background and will dig some more.

      • Edgar Poe on January 1, 2011 at 3:58 pm

        Dig deep on this one, Joseph; Fleming’s running 30 Assault Unit selected targets including specific items and documents. Fleming was the man who would issue these specific objectives. It later evolved into T-Force.

        No one is looking at the British and they penetrated deeply into the Manhattan Project.

        The story of T-Force and Fleming’s connection to its work remained unknown until it was revealed in Sean Longden’s book T-Force, the Race for Nazi War Secrets, 1945, published in 2009.

        This is a mind blower if people’s minds haven’t been sufficiently blown already.

  15. Thomas Malone on December 31, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Happy New Year and Congratulations on the new look and the thought provoking updates.
    I have just now read quickly through 9/11 musings and am looking forward to a deeper read as well as
    studying the other new posts you have so graciously provided here.
    For now, I just wanted to comment that “You only live twice” was on my list of questions to get to in our
    most recent interview and its symbolic (Or more direct) significance to 9/11 and the current political paradigm.
    Anyway, thank you for the new material to pursue and I hope to see lots more of it in 2011.

    • Dr. Joseph P. Farrell on January 1, 2011 at 3:56 am

      Thanks THomas. Yes I definitely think “You Only Live Twice” was leaking out clues.

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