This one was sent to me by a regular reader of this website, Mr. K.L., and I have to talk about this one, because it echoes various ideas I've held and advanced for a long time, among them, that our brains are not identical to our minds, but rather, function as transducers of our mind, and (if one will permit a metaphysical mistake...and you'll have to think about that one a bit) transducers of our personhood:

Scientist claims consciousness moves to another universe at death

The core of this argument appears to be the following:

"Lanza is an expert in regenerative medicine and scientific director of Advanced Cell Technology Company. Before he has been known for his extensive research which dealt with stem cells, he was also famous for several successful experiments on cloning endangered animal species.

"But not so long ago, the scientist became involved with physics, quantum mechanics and astrophysics. This explosive mixture has given birth to the new theory of biocentrism, which the professor has been preaching ever since.  Biocentrism teaches that life and consciousness are fundamental to the universe.  It is consciousness that creates the material universe, not the other way around.

"Lanza points to the structure of the universe itself, and that the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be fine-tuned for life, implying intelligence existed prior to matter.  He also claims that space and time are not objects or things, but rather tools of our animal understanding.  Lanza says that we carry space and time around with us “like turtles with shells.” meaning that when the shell comes off (space and time), we still exist.

"The theory implies that death of consciousness simply does not exist.   It only exists as a thought because people identify themselves with their body. They believe that the body is going to perish, sooner or later, thinking their consciousness will disappear too.  If the body generates consciousness, then consciousness dies when the body dies.  But if the body receives consciousness in the same way that a cable box receives satellite signals, then of course consciousness does not end at the death of the physical vehicle. In fact, consciousness exists outside of constraints of time and space. It is able to be anywhere: in the human body and outside of it. In other words, it is non-local in the same sense that quantum objects are non-local."

This whole philosophical development within physics began, in a certain sense, with Immanuel Kant and his disciple, Arthur Schopenhauer (the title of whose World as Will and Representation says it all). For Kant, space and time, while real, were not real apart from the Mind, and as such, the physical world, organized as it is into spatial and temporal properties, and thus as "physical observable objects", was intimately connected to Mind and to consciousness. Space and time are constructs - real constructs - the Mind uses to order and organize experience. (For readers of my Giza Death Star Trilogy, there is also the even more abstruse and arcane argument presented by some topologists that individual consciousness represents a field or distinct topological region in an N-space!)

Out of this German philosophical context, quantum mechanics evolves. The Uncertainty Principle held that one could not simultaneously observe position and velocity of a particle, and hence, the outcome of an experiment - reality itself - was determined by the conscious decision of the observer performing an experiment prior to the experimental performance itself, in the selection of what was to be observed.

And from this basic idea, springs the multi-verse version of quantum mechanics:

"The first one was a science fiction writer H.G. Wells who proclaimed in 1895 in his story “The Door in the Wall”.  And after 62 years, this idea was developed by Dr. Hugh Everett in his graduate thesis at the Princeton University. It basically posits that at any given moment the universe divides into countless similar instances. And the next moment, these “newborn” universes split in a similar fashion. In some of these worlds you may be present: reading this article in one universe, or watching TV in another.

"The triggering factor for these multiplyingworlds is our actions, explained Everett. If we make some choices, instantly one universe splits into two with different versions of outcomes.

"In the 1980s, Andrei Linde, scientist from the Lebedev’s Institute of physics, developed the theory of multiple universes. He is now a professor at Stanford University.  Linde explained: Space consists of many inflating spheres, which give rise to similar spheres, and those, in turn, produce spheres in even greater numbers, and so on to infinity. In the universe, they are spaced apart. They are not aware of each other’s existence. But they represent parts of the same physical universe.

"The fact that our universe is not alone is supported by data received from the Planck space telescope. Using the data, scientists have created the most accurate map of the microwave background, the so-called cosmic relic background radiation, which has remained since the inception of our universe. They also found that the universe has a lot of dark recesses represented by some holes and extensive gaps."

Additionally, some physicists, as the article points out, have noted that the slightest adjustment to the coefficients of physical constants would prohibit the rise of life, and hence, extending the Observer principle even further, have argued for various versions of the Anthropic Principle, the essence of which is that the physical laws of the universe appear to be so constructed as to lead to the origin of intelligent observers.

This idea of the real non-locality of the individual mind, temporarily transduced into and by a body/brain, is of course where many scientists object. German physicist Unzicker, for example, objects not only to the "multiplication of entities" in the ever-expanding particle zoo of quantum mechanics, where there appears to be a trend to posit a particle for every new observed force or energy phenomenon, but to the "multiplication of entities" such as dark matter, dark energy, and, of course, the multiverse theory and attendant "anthropic principle" physics. This, other scientists believe, is uncomfortably close to "argument from and for design" (and of course, that's what it really is). Thus, even though I'm definitely a "design" person, readers here should be cautious before embracing these latest hypotheses, for some, like Unzicker, have taken to calling all of these ideas "Fairy tale physics."

It remains to be seen whether or not it is. I suspect it is not. I suspect that what we are really looking at is the beginning of the breakdown of the old, neatly Cartesian divisions of "spirit/mind" and "matter" that has so plagued western philosophy and metaphysics, and consequently, at the breakdown of the old mechanistic/materialistic world views.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Miguel on January 17, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    IMO, the real you is laying on a timeless plane waiting for the call from the time/space bound “you’s”. Only to the extent those calls are made to connect with the real you… it is possible to find an optimal path within connected multiverses…

    Much like Nemo & Trinity always trying to make those Calls that Matrix is constantly trying to abort.

    you are your own guardian angel… you are responsible for connecting with yourself… you are the son. It’s about the Call and when the call is made you exist at both ends… and Matrix is defeated…

    Those who don’t ever make the Call as Matrix keeps them from doing so… never make the connection… therefore…never exist!

    • jedi on January 18, 2014 at 11:19 am

      take a piece of paper, print a million dollars on it, and enjoy spending it …….they are called ewes for a reason.

      THATS THE MATRIX…..and it is all about vanity….end of story….want a happy ending…destroy half the population, and spend spend spend.

      lol…need proof….Agent Smith…as in Adam Smith the E Con Om Ic….you might want too study latin to figure it out.

  2. Ramura on January 17, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I recall buying the P.D. Ouspensky (protege of Gurdjieff) book, “The Fourth Way,” in 1974 and reading it over a 3-month cross-country odyssey of national campgrounds.

    Ouspensky was both tedious and heavy reading, but I stuck with it. He laboriously used logic to rule things out until one came to the inescapable “logical” conclusion that “All possible realities exist, right HERE (space) and right NOW (time).

    I felt like I had been pushed over the proverbial cliff. But the thought exercises used to arrive at that point saved me the trouble of too much “doubt” on those scores over the years when the “multiverse” theories started to appear. Made sense to me!

    • Ramura on January 17, 2014 at 9:27 am

      And, I must say, the above triggered in me a lifelong quest into the topic of “why” I am experiencing the reality I am experiencing, and can I influence that. If I CAN influence that, SHOULD I?

      After many years of delving into that topic, I came to the conclusion that my “Higher Self” knew much better than I did what was good for me, so I proceeded to develop a better connection with my “Source” Self, doing my best to trust my own ability to read the signs and symbols that guide my path via synchronicity, etc., to my “best for all” reality.

      When one considers the many ways of cultural/social engineering and out-right mind control, becoming Sovereign in one’s own “Self” becomes THE most important work one can address….

      It ain’t easy, but it IS necessary!

  3. rich overholt on January 16, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    ” This is not the end.
    This is not the beginning of the end.
    This is the end of the beginning.” ~ From, ” Millennium ”

    Starring, Cheryl Ladd, Kris Kristofferson, and Daniel J. Travanti

    • jedi on January 18, 2014 at 11:10 am

      ahhhh…. sure that wasn’t from Admiral Morrison son Jimmy from the masonic doors?

  4. LSM on January 16, 2014 at 6:40 am

    what a fascinating thread- now if I may add my own cheap opinion(s)…

    I think one of the most amazing discoveries ever made (thanks to the German Aerospace Institute in Stuttgart) is that water retains information/has memory which explains a helluva lot: if one considers every cell in our bodies consists of 70%+ water, no wonder amputees still feel the severed limb months/decades after the removal (I swear I still feel my 2 removed left wisdom teeth while I was a teenager) and why receivers of organ transplants can (and have) taken on some of personality traits of the doners- so theoretically every cell in our bodies may contain the memories of all of our ancestors- it’s just that we can’t access these memories with our limited, filtering (induced?) conscience minds-

    we are obviously living in a 3-D holographic universe, but then are holograms reality or a distortion of reality?- do read Michael Talbot’s “The Holographic Universe”- my opinion is that holographs/grams are a gross distortion of the original light source-

    something else to consider: we’ve been told that Lucifer (assuming one believes in a singular entity as being a demonic force/source) was the bearer of light but at the same time the great deceiver; so I think we must ask ourselves the following: if true our retinas (pineal gland excluded) can only pick up on what reflects visible light (and we automatically assume everything reflects visible light, right?) could it be that “Lucifer” (collective term for an ancient mob/group of power-hungry sorcerers?- their origin is still up for debate) has deceived (continues to) us of all the light/enlightenment out there by boxing us into a 3-D holographic distortion?- haven’t ruled that out-

    by the way, I personally feel the testimonies of former Finnish Health Minister Rauni Kilde, MD (what a grand, extremely intelligent lady) about “there is no death” to be extremely comforting- check her out on youtube-

    please stay well all-

    Larry in Germany

    • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 9:15 am

      Hey Larry,
      Lucifer is the light bearer…..the joke is the lucy ball show, as in lucifers ball….with Ricky the cuban cigar smoker beating the bongo drums.

      Highly recommend the Russian novel, Master and the Martguerita. It inspired Sympathy for the Devil.

      Keep in mind holographs are empty “light” shells that feel nothing, the only thing they can do is …communicate…(remember how OB1 just dissipated when he faced Darth) , we on the other hand do feel, do live, and do experience this thing called life…..and it is pretty awesome.

      You must learn the ways of the force Larry. (lol)

  5. Miguel on January 16, 2014 at 3:55 am

    It sounds like financial option pricing by way of the Binomial Tree…

    • Frankie Calcutta on January 16, 2014 at 10:38 am


      would that replace the current method of pricing options using the Black-Sholes model?

      • Miguel on January 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm

        Hi Frankie,

        Actually it is not a replacement… Binomial Tree pricing is simply a discrete time (i.e. you model/replicate the steps (up/down, t, t+1, t+2, etc) of a portfolio of a bond-riskless asset and stock-) version of Black Scholes. Black Scholes is a continous time F(t), closed end formula, where the time dimension is imperfectly modelled by the Volatility input assumption.

        Binomial pricing is taught in the intro level Option Pricing. Practioners cannot always use closed-end formulas like Black-Scholes-where yousimply plug in the inputs as in a pocket calculator- for pricing/analizing sophisticated options on interest rates or forex, so they have to find option mispricings by building computer models based on Binomial Trees running multiple iterations or path a given underlying asset -bond or currency- could take.

        it is in this zillion iterative processes run by the computer where I find the similarity with our “choice of the right path”.

        This similarity between option pricing and free our will, struck me when I first saw the movie “The Forgotten” by Julianne Moore and her search for the right “path” that would deliver her son back from the interdimensional beings who were trying to erase her memory of him…. in the process she came across to others as mentally insane but she knew fully well what she was after…


        • Frankie Calcutta on January 16, 2014 at 7:21 pm


          Brilliant! Great analogy.

          “volatility input assumptions” sure brings back some memories–good and bad.

        • jedi on January 18, 2014 at 11:04 am

          imagine…owning a federal reserve….and spending money like no tomorrow……imagine the freedom …..and all the while your descendents become enslaved to it

          so who wins? the spender or the earner…..and that’s folks.

          Too bad about the concorde jet setters….such gods showing us how easy it is….lol,

  6. John on January 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 7:25 pm

      red flag…Richard Dawkins

      giza pyramid on 13 acres
      10 pyramids
      one sphinx
      11 monuments
      the 7 smaller pyramids are arranged in a forward reverse sequence showing the number 13
      the two great pyramids have 5 boat pits each arranged in ways representing the number 23 twice in a dna sequence…a human has 46 chromosones
      the 2 pyramids have water ways coming out in opposing angles
      the one pyramid medium in size has a boat pit coming straight out and lines up to the sphinx in a light vector.

      the ascII computer language has 127 characters…888 is represented as 11 1s 13 Os.
      00110001 00110010 00110111
      genesis 127 god creates man in his image he (the man) creates male and female. He creates them.
      fe is the symbol for Iron….Iron man
      God is the sun, his image is the moon.
      the sphinx has moses face on it…cor 2 11 13….false apostle moses.
      the arc angel MIcheal disputes the “body of moses”. Jude 9

      all this I figured out from the King James bible…eat me Richard Dawkins.

      • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 8:29 am

        How disappointment I am, I am, I am….in the above rant there is several puzzles that will expand your minds if you can solve them.

  7. bdw000 on January 15, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    I agree that consciousness can not be proven to reside in the brain. For years I’ve thought that the brain was just the interface between consciousness and the rest of the body.

    Regarding the many universes interpretation of quantum theory, there is obviously no way to verify that directly, and probably never will, even if it is correct, so personally I don’t even call it science. If you want to call something science, there’s always that (often ignored these days) problem of VERIFICATION (actually proving what you say).

    If I’ve already posted about this recently, sorry, can’t remember where I post stuff. Anyone who wants a dissenting opinion regarding the “interpretations” of quantum mechanics (not the actual numbers and equations: few doubt those) should check out the 5 or 6 hour lecture series by David Harriman called “The Philosophic Corruption of Physics” available from from the Ayn Rand Institute for about $5 (mp3 download). If you don’t like Ayn Rand, don’t worry about it, this is 99% a history lesson of how modern philosophy (Kant onwards) has intertwined with physics, and how physicists try to pass of their interpretations (opinions, really) as science, when the science says no such thing. All the crazy quantum physics you hear about is really just opinions. At least, according to David Harriman. The lectures are worth every penny. Even if you disagree with half of what Harriman says, I would bet that most here will find the story fascinating. It belongs in the library of anyone who suspects that there might be a few problems with modern physics (1900 onwards).

    • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 5:12 pm

      HERE HERE….finally some sanity.

  8. bdw000 on January 15, 2014 at 4:48 pm


    I mention this because Joseph tends to like Russia Today (knowing they have their own agenda). I have really like Russia Today until literally just minutes ago.

    The BREAKING THE SET show that aired 1800 Eastern Time Jan 15 (today) (no idea if this might be repeat show from an earlier date) had as its last story an interview with Clive Hamilton, a professor of (some kind of) ethics. I only saw the last 9 minutes of the interview, but most of it was about “global warming.” Man, what a hit piece. 60 Minutes would be proud. All that was done was to say that “the deniers” are wrong, and everything “the scientists” say is right (as if there were no scientists opposing AGW). Abbey Martin actually used the word “deniers,” they were talking about “dark funding of the deniers” etc, with zero evidence supplied for any statement whatsoever. It was literally just an opinion piece.

    There was no discussion at all of any “denier” arguments, nothing (god forbid that they would want any viewers to hear those arguments). The sum total of the discussion was, as I say above, simply that “they” are wrong and “we” are right.

    And it was such a polished presentation. Mr. Grandfatherly nice guy seemed so lovable! Propaganda at its highest.

    I don’t really know what to make of it. Abbey Martin and RT simply MUST be aware of how serious (and SCIENTIFIC) the arguments are against ANTRHOPOGENIC Global Warming (they seem to be too aware to me). To hide those arguments amounts to deliberate lying as far as I am concerned. Something I expect from the mainstream press, not from RT (until now).

    After this, I have to wonder if there really is any conflict between Russia and the West, even if Russia is just deciding to jump on the bandwagon of a carbon tax for more bucks . . . . .

    I really don’t think I will ever watch Breaking The Set ever again. It was that bad. If they had presented the “deniers” arguments and refuted them, I’d let it slide. But no such thing happened.

    • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      the magnetic north pole has moved into Russia…this is a fact.

      what sort of weather effect would that have on Canadian glaciers?
      how would that affect the often repeated lie presented as fact that Giza lines up to the cardinal points?
      could that somehow over time explain the hysteria surrounding the pole shifts as a natural cycle?
      how could this phenomena fit into a electric universe model.

      Elementary my dear WATT son. 😉

      the object is to eliminate a persons disposal income too zero….in effect a 100 percent tax rate. Global warming is part of the TAX PLAN

    • bdw000 on January 15, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      I really have to wonder if RT (or just the Breaking the Set crew??) has been “turned’ . . . . .

      My head is still spinning . . . . .

      • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm

        they want you too obtain knowledge by abstract reading and memorizing.

        it is forbidden to actually gain wisdom by physical research, physical measurements, and physical observations.

        Take money for the KEY example…they print it, spend it, then take it back as fast as they can … can dievest of it in one of there scams but you will never see the day where you will enjoy it in freedom from them

        ….it is only a matter of time before any media source sells out, money being the source root of evil…..the internet was so great when it first came out, and I hope “they” never recover from the amount of truth that came from it.

        kind of sad that you are not rejoicing in massive happiness at the solution I handed too you….that little piece of info will rewrite a lot of textbooks.

      • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 6:23 pm

        Larry King is with them….that should be a clue ewe.

        • Gray Berg on January 15, 2014 at 7:34 pm

          Max Kaiser has also voiced for global warming.
          So who really owns RT? Same as the old boss…
          But their time is running out.

  9. Robert Barricklow on January 15, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    About 4 years ago I read Biocentrism: How Life 7 Consciouness are the Keys To Understanding the True Nature of the Universe by Dr. Lanza. I had just finished a LOL read of author Cash Peters & wanted to go deep.
    As I read I thought of Alice… For, you see, so many out-of-the-way things had happened lately, that Alice began to think very few things indeed were really impossible, “Dear Dear! How queer everything is today! And yesterday things went on just as usual.
    Welcome to “consciouness quantomious” wher individual quantum brushsrokes can form an organized vehicle, where… The voices didn’t join in this time, as she hadn’t spoken, but to her great suprise, they all thought in chorus(I hope ypu understand what thinking in chorus means-for I must confess I don’t).
    Then you get into mind/brain. In the brain are 4 r’s Rewiring, Reconnection, reweighting, & regeneration that are affected by your experiences all at the same time, and are guided by your genes. It is said that minds are indeed influenced by genes, especially when the brain is “wiring” itself up during infancy and childhood. Your are simply more than your genes, You are your connections/connectome. You see, there are “levels”, circles within circles. Couple this with ontogency, or the sequence of development of our bodies from a single firtilized cell egg, and one wonders are these immensely complex structures built w/o anyone in charge? Then, of course, there is a fly in the ointment of this whole/hole senerio of buble multiuniverses/parallel, all blowing bubbles like the FED. So concentric in all sheres, confluence, syn\mmetries, synergies, symbolisms, and at once and in sync. All at the heart of our mental lives, there seems to be asriking contradiction – we seek out information and then act to destroy it. Self-deception in the service of deception, to better fool othres The conscious mind is more of an observer after the fact, while behavoir itself is usually unconsciously initiated.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 15, 2014 at 4:28 pm

      All that said, I do rather like that idea of multiuniverses accounting for part of that dark matter/energy.
      But as the great bard put it/There are more thing in Heaven & Earth, Haratio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Indeed, the question of deminsions is just one of those pesky flies surrounding this observable wave of collapsing riddles. The answer lies to us in every breath, thought, move, we take. And one could collapse these obsevations in real time. The problem is in getting the wave length in synce w/o disrupting “other” observers, who have been there & done that.

    • Robert Barricklow on January 15, 2014 at 4:31 pm

      And, lastly, I rather also like the idea that all this could simple be an inverted holographic version of the universe.

      • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 4:45 pm

        I ll go with the holographic version…..remade by very advanced ancestors a long time ago.
        As C3Po said when Anakim showed up…ah the maker.

        drop C …intelligence artificial….in the Culinary Institute of the Arts.

        either way you add them up and you get 7 beep beep whistle beep.

        I am still stunned seeing Niel Armstrong blink morse code with his eyes at the Apollo 11 news conferance….LIE…the masters of the mystories.

        • sagat1 on January 16, 2014 at 3:51 am

          Hi Jedi – Do you have a link that you can share regarding Armstrong blinking in morse code? I’d love to see that footage.

          • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 6:50 am

            sure, just go on you tube and look for the no stars Apollo 11 conference. You also will need to find the international morse code for L I E…take note of the Q code, wabun code and 88 the abbreviation DO which means love and kisses.
            Niel isn’t a bad person imo, look what happened to those 3 astronauts that got the cinder fella treatment for not following orders… the burnt offering.

          • sagat1 on January 16, 2014 at 8:06 am

            …thanks Jedi. The best clip I found was this in case others wish to view.


            I must read up on Columbia.

          • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 11:42 am


            there you go…..I think the dope they loved was cocaine….or could be dopey and the cast of 8 including Snow White and her seven dwarfs.

            Enjoy Coca Cola…..I am just 7 hours old…

            love and kisses. HH..remember DO

    • jedi on January 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      self deception in the service of deception….but then again ,ignorance is bliss……until the parasites are destroying the host then drastic measures must be imposed, too…..bring balance.
      however…the chosen ones might think otherwise when they figure out who is leading them off the cliff.
      blessed are those who have not seen and believe……if only they knew.

      • Robert Barricklow on January 17, 2014 at 9:09 pm

        Just got a new/used computer.
        Going to celebrate with a bourbon coke.
        Well… in another & better universe?

  10. jedi on January 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    reading through this thread my IQ dropped 80 points.

    you people are not asking the correct question, ie you are not thinking for yourselves…..more like parrots.

    for example the question what came first the chicken or the egg….
    wrong question
    thinking the question should be the rooster or the chicken.
    and now drum roll………
    and Peter would deny him, 3 times before the cock crows.

    as for the double slit buffoonery…the atom firing is man made, the pair of atoms behave like a wave length…..duh

  11. terminally skeptical on January 15, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    So what’s so quantum mechanical about a multiverse? As far a this pin head can figure it’s the infinite many collapses of the wave functions of potential, and undoubtedly the cosmos’ most intricate flow chart, in the procession of that thing we call time. The difficulty with the quantum mechanical model is that whereas it holds up well and appears to support phenomenon at the subatomic level it is not nearly as reliable in our macroscopic “every day” life. A good many events in the visible world are subject to varying degrees of determinism. And yet the topic of time travel is a conundrum of which the basic premise relies in no small part on the ability to alter history a posteriori and is thus reliant on a multiverse model.

    While overseas some two decades ago late one evening on a midnight express I was overcome with emotion by the sheer elegance and grand design of The Anthropic Principle while reading a Steven Hawking book. Around that time I was still teasing a since departed friend about her belief that we choose our parents. But that was then. Now the eternal nature of the soul is as obvious to me as a omnipresent intelligence and elan vital in an admittedly some time seemingly random universe.

    It appears to be gaining some traction too, albeit slowly, in science. At least it’s no longer taboo for a traditionally educated person (Dr. Eben Alexander) to discuss his experience that lead him to believe in an afterlife in a mainstream publication (Time magazine). Indeed there is no satisfactory explanation for temporarily leaving ones body unless one embraces the notion that our consciousness also exists outside of our bodies.

    But this animating force, just like creativity, has no algorithm. It’s source is untraceable and is as depicted in the Vedic god Shiva who dreams the universe into and out of existence. A woefully fuzzy recollection conjures that virtual particles in quantum theory are the occidental equivalent of Shiva and their oscillation frequency from being into non being are somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 x exponent 43 (that’s 10 to the 43hd power; what’s a few decimal points amongst friends?)

    Of course said force is an affront to the wanton materialism in modern “science”, an agenda that stems from both a profiteering motive and a desperate desire to control. Then, as Basta noted here at this thread, in walks Rupert Sheldrake persona non grata at a TED talks forum. His later censored message that fields of potential are the overriding influence, the template as it were, responsible for the morphogenesis of the subsequent design is 30 years on still being dismissed as heresy in the “science” community. Sheldrake was in good company however because similar treatment was heaped upon Graham Hancock, no lightweight himself, who was also ostracised for having the audacity to propose that personal sovereignty and individual creativity should be allowed to operate with no restraints in a free and open society.

    Basta, I raise a glass to your veneration of the electric universe. It seems to me that modern particle and cosmological physics has done nothing these last 50 years but paint itself into an ever narrowing corner. The plasma of our Sun is alive and organic in contrast to the stale and desperate Rube Goldberg design of an ever growing volume of subatomic particles.

    The Hubble Telescope proved our universe continues to accelerate at the outskirts yet 25 years hence the Big Bang model is still upheld before the public as the standard acceptable model. And the suns cornea is several magnitudes hotter that its surface in defiance of the Law of Thermodynamics. Explain that!

    Look up the saga of Peter Sumaruck, a retired electrician, persecuted by agents of the military industrial complex, who says Ohms Law is incomplete and claims to be able to runs industrial sized electrical motors with mere milla amperage. Get familiar with the works of Eric Dollard and see too how electrical theory has hardly advanced in the last century.

    Before I really go off on a real rant the take away message here is that we have been sold a bill of goods that conveniences the existing structure of power elite. Engineers and scientists alike keep each other in line with peer review while they all drink from the same knowledge oasis.

  12. Tim H on January 15, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Which of these multiverses contains the real me? Is my consciousness spread through all of them? Is the the whole idea of infinite worlds a method of avoiding the CAP? Cosmic Anthropological Principle?

    • basta on January 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      One theory goes that with each thought you slip into–or create–another universe. Kind of surfing through infinity…

  13. Frankie Calcutta on January 15, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Couldn’t we create with our mind a universe of our own that adheres to laws of physics that we make up ourselves?

    • DownunderET on January 15, 2014 at 2:36 pm

      Hi Frankie:
      I think what your saying here is that consciousness “should” be able to have control over the physical medium, and why couldn’t we make our own universe?
      Well I think the ancients did have control over the physical medium, it’s just the fact that we were made for a specific purpose, ie slaves, and it was our designers/makers that didn’t allow it to happen, eh, Tower of Babel.

      • Frankie Calcutta on January 16, 2014 at 10:47 am

        “it was our designers/makers that didn’t allow it to happen,”

        So true DownunderET. It least in this final product that we are today. But every once and a while I get that rippling in my DNA that I/we are capable of much greater things.

        In the meantime, I just want to escape from this universe of shattered dreams and its laws of cause and effect. Its killing me.

    • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 9:25 am

      Frankie I got really mad once and an object beamed into existence….I had a witness so that would make us both temporarily insane and seeing things.

      Thats outside of my known laws of reality….yet, yawn star trek did that stuff….so let Tommy the doubters chime down my chimney.

      • Frankie Calcutta on January 16, 2014 at 11:02 am


        A hermit who lived down by the river once took me into a universe he created inside of a nearby hill. His universe was as vast as our own. I spent a day there but when I exited it 12,000 Earth years had passed and the hill was now a Dunkin Donuts. The hermit was working the cash register and he winked at me as I exited.

        The lesson: time travel is as easy and as hard as switching universes. Alas, I have yet to learn this skill of switching universes and my family awaits desperately for my return. We were in debt to a vicious money lender from the city and I fear what he will do to my family, if my beloved wife can not pay him.

        • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 11:19 am

          whistle like r2d2 she come running, avoid the breeding grounds off the coast of Japan, they eat whistlers, avoid the tobacco or youll end up sounding like the slave darth,….now pull out that light saber and squirt

          as yoda said, when 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.

          Hermits understand that love like friendship is conditional….anyone that says otherwise…is….fill in your own blank dark saber squirts…..for love has blinded you.

  14. marcos toledo on January 15, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    I read on the internet some days ago don’t ask me the website . I forgot that The Hubble Constant was not even Dr. Edwin Hubble’s idea someone just pasted his name to the theory. Which begs the question does the Ptolemaic System was it Claudius Ptolemy idea the first place to begin with or was his name pasted on it like Hubble name on the theory that bares his. The is the problem if our consciousness has always been why most of us have no memory of them that is the real question.

  15. DownunderET on January 15, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    After reading Joseph’ books, you start to get the impression that there is something “special” going on. He speaks about the connection between consciousness and the physical medium in just about all his books. His byte show interviews with George Ann Hughes are riddled with this meme.

    I have thought for a long time that this piece of grey matter between our ears isn’t what it appears to be, neurologists can’t seem to tell what makes it work.
    Some five year old’ can play a very complicated piece of classical music, but can’t tie their show laces. The fact that identical twins have this special bond between and on and on I could go. Us and the universe are two items in a story that possibly our human minds are just not capable of understanding, I believe the Anunnaki had this capability and so did the ancient civilization in high antiquity, but we don’t, the Hermetica anyone?

    • Gray Berg on January 15, 2014 at 7:40 pm

      Illuminati whistleblower in this interview states Anunnaki altered our DNA turning us into slaves who’s memories are wiped clean in between each incarnation.

      • jedi on January 16, 2014 at 11:25 am

        sigh…anul naki…..annul….. end
        naki….naked ness…..ole nessie of Scotlands loch.

        and they sewn fig leaves together ….south east west north… they were ashamed….being naki.

        Have a look around Asia for ancient royal tombs containing aryan people…..what happened to all the descendents? Why are the Han people covering this up? Cutting off the heads of corpse when archeologists arrive? Covering up pyramids? Denying pyramids? Lying ?
        I wonder wonder wonder…who wrote the book of love

  16. Jon on January 15, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    The multiverse idea fits in nicely with the idea of differentiation of the medium in your paradigm of the metaphor, not to mention the shamanic and philosophical traditions of virtually all indigenious peoples, and the personall experience of no small number of individuals.

    The turtle and shell analogy is interesting in light of the number of traditional creation myths which use that same analogy. Perhaps they are as much about constant creation as they are about original creation . . . .(Hmmmm, layered symbolism . . . .?)

    That kind of evidence is far more persuasive to me than all the dry intellectual chess games in academia. I’ll take the experience of thousands of people over tens of thousands of years ahead of the personal rantings of some hidebound professor any day of the week.

    Even if reductionist materialism didn’t have any hidden agendas, it still has many logical and empirical holes. No amount of political chicanery or propaganda will change that.

    I would also interject that the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics is a completely different critter than the promiscuious propagation of particles and strings and dark matter – those items are being conjured up to avoid facing the fact that the paradigm in question (mainstream physics model) is deeply flawed and needs to be replaced by something more accurate. At a point where a boat’s hull is all patches, the boat will sink – and until then it sails like a water buffalo with club feet (to corrupt a simile from the movie, “Remo Williams”).

    Sheldrake’s recent book and videos demonstrate the extent of the intellectual corruption of the scientific establishment with exquisite precision. The part about defining the measurement by the very constant it is meant to measure in order to hide variations in that constant gave me belly laughs. Do these people not realize how incredibly stupid that makes them look? Comedians can’t write stuff that funny. (It sounded like a Monty Python skit).

    (I realize, of course, other agendas are involved. . . .)

  17. basta on January 15, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Oh boy, where to begin?

    Ok, the Big Bang. It’s rubbish. CBR is rubish, too. The whole tottering edifice of cosmology and astrophysics is built on gravity, not taking into account electromagnetism. No authority in these fields can even satifactorily explain gravity, and we are to buy all that bunk as well as black holes, dark matter, and all and sundry Harry Potter nonsense as well? The Electric Universe guys have a much better handle on what’s really going on in the physical universe than these jokers.

    But going deeper, yes, consciousness distills “reality,” or if you will, the physical universe. The double-slit experiment proved that; I thought that was QED (and also why all those first-generation physicists who were investigating quantum physics all became spiritually aware–just look at Einstein’s remarks on the matter, whatever you think of Einstein’s science).

    That experiment proved that if there was no conscious observer, that photons remained in a wave state, as electromagnetic energy; only with an observer present did they act as particles. Ergo, if there is no conscious observer, there is no matter. So without conscious beings to “observe” it, the universe would remain immanent energy and would not precipitate into matter.

    E=MC2 means just that, matter and energy are equivalents; that’s one thing Einstein got right.

    Further, all the “paranormal” effects that Rupert Sheldrake, the Princeton PEAR project and other open-minded scientists have documented are simply the effects of consciousness shaping “reality.”

    As for CERN and their search for the Higgs Boson, well, if all those people are concentrating their intention on finding the particle, then they are pretty much bound to find it. That’s what quantum mechanics+consciousness predicts.

    So think good thoughts, peeps, because they don’t just sit inside your skull but penetrate and shape the world around you. I’ll leave it there, but this goes so much deeper than most people could ever imagine… “As above, so below, so that the miracle of one be accomplished.” – Thoth HermesTrismegistus

    • basta on January 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      And whatever you think of him, Nassim Haramein got it right here: “Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking inside a radio for the announcer.”

  18. RAJM on January 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    This paper encapsulates some of the key ideas of the metaphor.
    What I find interesting is the perceived threat to the Individual & establishment in terms of responsibility.
    We are co creating our existence ergo we are ultimately responsible for it. Our thoughts & actions are echoed in eternity. We are no more victims of fate than we are victims of our genetics. The caveat is having the ability, the presence of mind, the skill and the wisdom to see it all as it is. Which I do not.

    • RAJM on January 15, 2014 at 10:51 pm

      And thats Ok because we have eternity to practice.

      • DaphneO on January 19, 2014 at 1:02 am

        Thank goodness for that… It’s like I “know”, but really I don’t have a clue. Then I read all of you and it’s hard to understand what part of me is saying “I know…” when I feel so dumb. Eternity sounds good.

  19. kchuray on January 15, 2014 at 10:05 am

    This just makes me smile. Science vs. religion – what a useless conflict based on ego and religious/academic turf wars! As William James said, “A difference which makes no difference is no difference at all.”

  20. jedi on January 15, 2014 at 6:35 am

    There is more too this idea, that can be understood by older life forms more readily. These life forms are being hunted in this reality by the animal hybrids….or perhaps something more sinister.
    The oneness is what the ancient royals practiced as fact.

    Basically all life is constructed from a number generated dna sequence formula from a single source via energy waves across the hydrogen wavelength spectrum.
    Interestingly the air shafts in Giza are constructed with these dimensions incorporated into them…..and many other mathematical formulas.

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