As you might guess, the news today is about the Russian airliner... but like so many airline disasters in recent memory, this one two appears to have a diverging dataset:

UK govt: ‘Significant possibility’ bomb may have downed Russian passenger jet over Sinai

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. DanaThomas on November 11, 2015 at 5:02 am

    Now Japan has its own airliners, made by Mitsubishi. A wise choice… RT Maiden flight video:

    • goshawks on November 11, 2015 at 5:40 pm

      I wonder if it will have a “uninterruptible autopilot system/remote autopilot control” and, if so, Who will have Authority over it…

  2. goshawks on November 9, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    I just had a terrible thought, on the ‘long term planning’ front:

    Regardless of how the Russian Metrojet airliner was actually brought down, everyone believes Russia will be out for some version of ‘payback’. In this ‘conditioned’ state of expectation, would this not be the perfect time to perform a horrific False Flag that implicates Russia having a payback moment?

    I really hope that I am wrong here, but it has a certain perverted logic…

  3. goshawks on November 8, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    I want to put on my aero engineering ‘hat’ for a minute.

    Background: I believe Malaysian Airlines MH370 [Boeing 777] was hijacked by remote autopilot control and flown to Diego Garcia. Also, I believe the Germanwings Flight 9525 [Airbus A320] which crashed in the French Alps was commandeered by remote autopilot control. Given this, I am inclined to believe that the Russian Metrojet airliner [Airbus A321] which crashed in a mountainous area of Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula was also commandeered by remote autopilot control.

    There are two main reasons why I go this route:

    First, modern jetliners are fragile. They are safe when flown within known limits, but are carefully-engineered to carry not one excess pound of structure beyond their placarded limits. Airliners are usually designed to Positive (pull-up) = 2.5G & Negative (push-over) = -1.0G. Structural breakage is 1.125x this limit. (Fighters are designed to 9G’s, as a contrast.)

    Second, jetliners have an altitude/airspeed area called ‘coffin corner’. This area has been known since the early days and is carefully watched-for. It comes about at high altitude and airspeed, i.e., somewhat-beyond normal cruise. In this area, pulling positive G’s will cause shockwaves to form on the upper surface of the wings and cause what is called a high-speed stall. If the upset due to the stall is major enough or asymmetric, it can lead to structural breakup due to the loads at high speed. Contrariwise, descending at too great a speed will cause shockwaves to form on both surfaces of the wings and tail surfaces and leads to shuddering, heaving, and loss of control. If any upset due to the shockwaves is major enough or asymmetric, it can also lead to structural breakup due to the loads at high speed.

    (Lest anyone stop flying because of the above, I should point out that ‘coffin corner’ areas are carefully plotted-out and known to the flight crew. They are avoided in normal flight.)

    Combining the above, it would be easy to commandeer an airliner by remote autopilot control, give it a series of pull-ups and push-overs at high altitude/airspeed, and cause it to be in ‘coffin corner’. Just keep doing this until something ‘gives’…

    • goshawks on November 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      Good background on Boeing’s uninterruptible autopilot system:
      21stcenturywire dot com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/

      The genesis of these systems was the political-hijacking days of the 1970s. To counter these, Boeing & Honeywell designed and certificated a system known as the Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System. This was first implemented on mechanically/hydraulically controlled aircraft and had nothing initially to do with fly-by-wire. I am sure there have been many ‘upgrades’ in capabilities since then. I have no info on Airbus’ version, but I am sure it is at least equivalently capable.

      (There was a quiet ‘scandal’ in the 1970s when Lufthansa removed all B747 autopilots and replace/certificated them with Lufthansa’s own design after learning of Boeing’s ‘takeover’ enhancement.)

      From 21stcenturywire:
      “The Boeing 777, along with other Boeing models, can in fact be flown remotely through the use of independent embedded software and satellite communication. Once this advanced system is engaged, it can disallow any pilot or potential hijacker from controlling a plane, as the rooted setup uses digital signals that communicate with air traffic control, satellite links, as well as other government entities for the remainder of a flight’s journey.

      On December 4th of 2006, it was announced that Boeing had won a patent on an uninterruptible autopilot system for use in commercial aircraft. This was the first public acknowledgment by Boeing about the existence of such an autopilot system.

      The new autopilot patent was reported by John Croft for ‘Flight Global’, with the news piece subsequently linked by a Homeland Security News Wire and other British publications around the same time. According to the DHS release, it was disclosed that ‘dedicated electrical circuits’ within an onboard flight system could control a plane without the need of pilots, stating that the advanced avionics would fly the aircraft remotely, independently of those operating the plane:

      ‘The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.’

      Additionally, in the article entitled, ‘Diagrams: Boeing patents anti-terrorism auto-land system for hijacked airliners’, Croft outlines the clandestine oversight that government has with respect to the uninterruptible autopilot, making note of the auto-land function of the system and stating that the technology has its own power supply self-sufficient of any electrical systems on the plane:

      ‘To make it fully independent, the system has its own power supply, independent of the aircraft’s circuit breakers. The aircraft remains in automatic mode until after landing, when mechanics or government security operatives are called in to disengage the system.’”


      To answer some engineers, Airbus aircraft do have autopilot functions that are supposed to prevent flight into unauthorized angles of attack, etc. That did not prevent Air France flight AF447 [Airbus A330] from being pushed into a post-stall condition and being held there by uncomprehending-aircrew all the way down to the ocean…

      I am not an autopilot expert, so I do not know the intricacies of the Airbus protection modes. However, there is a difference in airplane response between a gradual approach to an angle of attack limit and an aggressive pull-back on the stick. In the latter case, it may be possible – especially in high altitude/airspeed conditions – to have aircraft inertia carry the maneuver past the imposed limits. This may be true for remote autopilot input, as well.

      Best I can do, without deep digging…

  4. LSM on November 8, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    as always, get a list of passengers on the plane to see if anyone on board (or a cargo being carried) was somehow controversial and where the end destination of the person(s)/cargo on board were/was supposed to end up-

    here in Germany German MSM news continues to change its “officious” story by the day; I somehow don’t think a Russian airliner carrying just “normal” passengers or cargo would be a viable target-

    please be well all-


  5. henry on November 8, 2015 at 11:57 am

    “How Russia Nearly Banned Boeing 737 Airliners”

    I found it pretty curious and maybe somewhat related that right after this recent “Russian plane crash” in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, the Russia aviation authority nearly banned all Boeing 737 planes from operating duo to:

    “On Friday, the IAC issued a press release saying that Rosaviatsia appeared to have dropped its earlier worries about safety, and had risked the lives of “more than 20 million passengers” by allowing planes of the Boeing 737 family to keep flying.”

    that’s millions of innocent of lives at hands than more than just 224 people that had just perished in this yet another “airliner incident” tragedy.

    i also found it curious that there is this ‘contradiction’ between the two parties here when it comes to explaining the incident, namely on the Russian/Egyptian side which are saying the plane “disintegrated” in the air as the debris are found scattered across a fairly large ‘crash site’; while the British and the Americans are trying to put the blame conveniently on “Radical Islam” with ‘bomb’;since it is true that the Russians boots are on ISIL’s butts in Syria right now), in fact the British even cited the GCHQ which happened to have been caught itself in the infamous “Snowden leak”,

    “The Sunday Express reported that the jihadis were heard talking and celebrating in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham moments after the plane was brought down. The report said it is believed they may have had a hand in building the bomb.””
    ofcourse it must be the “British jihadists” responsible for this killing, afterall the infamous “jihadi john” was also nicknamed after his “British accent” that gave away his identity, except i’ve heard some people are saying on the conspiracy side of the story that some of those ISIL beheadings were fake and staged, just like the so called “Charlie Hebdo shooting”, its little wonder the French are also dancing to the same tone of the British and the Americans on the “Russian plane crash” in Sinai, as the French Prime Minister Manuel Valls also said “the possibility of a terror attack “is being taken very seriously.”
    and the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu happens to stand and walk right besides the French President Hollande during the “Paris March” in a show of demonstrating “solidarity” in wake of the “terrorist attack”, and one of reason for Netanyahu to be attending was apparently because there was actually another “Paris shooting” during the phase of “Charlie Hebdo shooting ” incident which happened to have targeted a Jewish supermarket which somehow was related to the “Charlie Hebdo shooting”, and thats why the Israeli PM was there to show “solidarity” with the French.

    Now, since the POTUS has also come out dancing to the same tune, “President Obama Says There’s a ‘Possibility’ a Bomb Caused Russian Plane Crash Over Egypt.” this development only further fueled my suspicion that this recent incident of “Russian plane crash” had also somehow to do with “Israel”, why? because the Israeli PM also happens to have paused during his speech at the recent UN assembly, for ‘astonishing’ 44-second silence, and Obama happens to be the 44th President of United States of America, and in his speech Netanyahu was critical of the “Iran Deal” which was supported by the POTUS.
    Like the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal which convicted the state of Israel of “genocide” afterwhich there was the mysterious disappearance of MH370, it seems whenever “the security/safety of Israel” is threatened, one might see the same Western nations dancing to the same tune and likely some form of ‘airliner disaster’, incidentally guess what was also convicted by the late 2013 Malaysian Tribunal? former U.S. and British leaders..
    And when i look at the Sinai Peninsula on map, especially the location of the plane’s last contact position before it was lost, it is willfully “close” to Israel.. are the Russian boots on ISIL’s butts in Syria somehow “threatens Israel’s security/safety” indeed?

    The first episode of “The Lone Gunmen” presented blatantly to the audience the possibility of remotely taking control over commercial airplanes; imagine Snowden was short of informing the public that this “octopus” of a ‘system”, not only can it spy on everyone on the planet, but can also taking over control of your cars, even commercial airliners? better yet, imagine some of those commercial airlaners have “pre-made bombs” onboard?
    ofcourse the Russians would be worried about potential loss of millions of lives due to safety concern over the Boeing 737 airliners.
    The question of for me is, as this “Octopus” is going down the trash bin of human history sooner rather than later, its architects are desperately trying to prevent that from happening by any means necessary, even by threatening innocent lives, potentially millions of lives? and was the “Sinai Russian plane crash” latest evidence of such?

    • henry on November 10, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      @”this development only further fueled my suspicion that this recent incident of “Russian plane crash” had also somehow to do with “Israel””

      “The rogue state of Israel has been put under an “electromagnetic cordon sanitaire,” meaning that its military airplanes are grounded and its warships are unable to leave their ports, according to Pentagon officials. The blockade has now been intensified because US military and Russian government sources agree an Israeli F16 jet fighter flying out of Ramon Airforce base shot down a Russian airliner in the Sinai desert on Halloween, killing 224 people. “Israel is now stuck in its sandbox and can only bomb Gaza or shoot down airliners,” a Pentagon official added. The downing of the airliner has also now opened the way legally for Russian attacks on Israel proper, the officials said.”

      @”as this “Octopus” is going down the trash bin of human history sooner rather than later, its architects are desperately trying to prevent that from happening by any means necessary, even by threatening innocent lives, potentially millions of lives?”

      “With its Halloween attack on a Russian airliner, the Israeli regime has also doomed itself by arrogantly attacking the three great powers of Russia, China and the United States. The result is Israel is under a full military blockade that will not end until Netanyahu and his fellow war-criminals make an unconditional surrender, according to Chinese, Russian and Pentagon sources. Their so-called Samson option of taking the world down with them has now been neutralized, the Pentagon sources say.”

      always interesting to see “insider intel” somewhat validates one’s personal suspicions.The fact is the Sinai Russian plane disaster occured after the Russians have intensified their offensives against ISIL in Syria.
      according to Fulford: “The capture in Lebanon of a Saudi Prince transporting 2 tons of amphetamines and cocaine last week resulted in frantic calls to both Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and CIA Deputy Director David Cohen by King Salman of Saudi Arabia. Cohen, who is described by the Pentagon as the real head of ISIS, flew to Lebanon to get his release but failed to. He was also unable to get the release of the Israeli general captured commanding ISIS forces in Syria.”
      Cobra: “Proxy Galactic War in Syria ”
      and according to Corey Goode’s intel, the Nazis had allied themselves with the “reptilians”, and they have sucessfully infiltrated the American military-industrial complex and established a secret space program, and most likyly have been at war with “positive ETs”. The real masters behind “project: Israel”.

      I think Cobra’s recent update gave a good “historical background” on the deeper reasons behind Russia’s involvment in Syria, as for “historical background” on Chinese involvment in this “galactic proxy war”, well, as far as i can gather, it seems “the Chinese” have been at war with the “reptilians” long before there was “Russia”, or “China’ for that matter, only they werent called “Chinese”, and it wasnt just on earth?

  6. DanaThomas on November 8, 2015 at 10:40 am

    A new hypothesis on the Metrojet crash: was the aircraft remotely hacked in such a way as to trigger a “hijack mode” preventing pilot intervention? Reports published initially said there had been an emergency landing request due to malfunctioning. As Yankee says somebody is pushing the bomb theory with too much enthusiasm… Link from the Richie Allen Show:
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    • Robert Barricklow on November 8, 2015 at 11:01 am

      Good points.

  7. yankee phil on November 8, 2015 at 10:37 am

    Keep waiting,,the enemy has yet to show his face (Briton is hot to get the bomb theory accepted,woofed it up before the black box results)

    • henry on November 9, 2015 at 1:12 am

      @”the enemy has yet to show his face”

      That face may surprisingly look like a “reptilian”, allegedly the origin of “Satan”, they have probably invaded earth since more than 300,000 years ago, after the “Lemurian period” which existed 200,000 years before the invasion whom were Sun/Light worshippers?
      certainly their presence was here during the late “Atlantic period”, since some of today’s ‘illuminati families’ may have descended from ‘black magicians’ of that period?

      If thats the case, it could explain the White Lotus’s belief system, in which it describes a time when there was no distinction/or conflict between “the Dark” and “the Light” as the ‘first/previous age’ before it entered a period where “the Dark” is overshadowing “the Light”, and “a final epoch” when “the Light” will return to defeat “the Dark” once and for all.

      And it appears there is an ancient alliance between “China” and “Russia” to make sure that “future” happens. I guess Edgar Cayce would call it a conflict between “the followers of the One” and “the sons of Belial”, for George Lucas, its “Jedi” vs “Sith”.

      • goshawks on November 9, 2015 at 1:26 am

        Henry, you might want to check out Michael Tsarion’s writings/videos. He talks about ‘Atlantis’ (a reptilian base rather than a continent), ‘Lemuria’ (a refuge for positive hybrids), and the all-out war between the reptilians & their positive hybrids. Intriguing…

        • henry on November 9, 2015 at 1:36 am

          Thanks very much goshawks.
          Im not an engineer, but i agree with your comments regarding the possibility of remotely hijacking commercial airliners especially with the case of MH370 and the Sinai Russian plane, infact i wrote a comment(which has not appeared in the comment section yet) also briefly touched on this idea, but i couldnt have said anything better without engineer expertise like yours. Mind if i “bookmark” your comments for my own investigations and future references?

          • goshawks on November 9, 2015 at 3:22 pm

            Certainly, Henry. Also, spread it as you will.

            I just tried a similar posting on another alternative site, and it was deleted four times. The fifth time ‘stuck’, after I sandwiched it between before-and-after posts explaining what was happening. Too obvious what was happening, if then deleted.

            Someone doesn’t want this ‘news’ out…

  8. DanaThomas on November 8, 2015 at 10:34 am

    New hypothesis on Metrojet crash: was the aircraft remotely hacked in such a way as to put it into “hijack mode” preventing pilot intervention? The very first published reports said that emergency landing had been requested due to on-board malfunctioning…. Link from the Richie Allen Show:

  9. goshawks on November 6, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    I just ran across this valuable-source for the Russian MetroJet disaster. As of this writing, it is 61 pages from the “Professional Pilots Rumor Network” [pprune]. These are prof pilots analyzing all forms of data from the incident. (I haven’t worked through it yet.)

    www dot pprune dot org/rumours-news/569907-breaking-news-airliner-missing-within-egyptian-fir.html

    Other good comments sprinkled-in after this article:

    www dot thesaker dot is/a-few-thoughts-about-the-rumors-around-the-downing-of-kogalymavia-flight-9268/

    • DanaThomas on November 7, 2015 at 5:47 am


  10. DownunderET on November 6, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Missile or bomb, well it doesn’t really matter, what matters is the plane was Russian. And oh boy, if the Russians find evidence of the wests meddling then sparks will follow.

  11. Robert Barricklow on November 6, 2015 at 8:51 am

    Russia canceling flights to Egypt England canceling flights.
    This canceling of flights is as catching as the covert warfare going on behind the scenes.

  12. basta on November 6, 2015 at 6:56 am

    The real game here looks to me that Egypt has been set up/made to look murderously incompetent by one or several of the Usual Suspects. There’s every indication that they are trying to rid themselves of a very nasty infestation of Muslim Brotherhood and are gravitating to the Russian camp.

    So what’s a bunch of crazed psychopaths to do? Why, blow up another passenger jet and kill hundreds of innocents, of course!

    • [email protected] on November 7, 2015 at 10:53 pm

      Sisi isn’t the West’s man, Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood) was.
      So they’re trying to take Sisi down, by undermining Egypt economically by destroying their main source of income, which is tourism and by demonizing Sisi in the Western propaganda MSM. I’ve now seen countless articles in which Sisi is displayed as a despotic monster.
      I was privileged enough to be in Egypt a month before their elections in 2014 and again earlier this year. The average Egyptian did not want Morsi, they did not want the Brotherhood. It was Sisi they wanted.
      As you say, Sisi is weeding out the Brotherhood nasties, and is getting hammered for it.

      Who benefits from this airliner disaster? Who has the motive, means and opportunity?
      Who hopes to swat two flies in one hit?
      Hmm, that country just to the north…

      • Don B on November 8, 2015 at 12:22 pm

        Yes, but who owns Israel. Certainly not the people. Therein lies the problem and no one wants to do anything about it, including the latest tin god, putin (small case intended).

  13. T.J. on November 6, 2015 at 5:24 am


    As per “Russian Source: Saudi Intelligence Responsible for Airline Bomb” at, Saudi intel & Egyptian intel (backed by Rotten-Child/Netanyahu & Co.) downed the Sinai A321.

    Given the 19-participant Vienna communique (read it), ‘Peace Is at Hand’ in Syria. Syrians will decide Assad’s fate; and most Syrians like Assad, who is even more popular after inviting Russia to help. The ONLY remaining issue is *which* anti-Assad terrorists will be eliminated by a +/-19-member UN-led coalition — after an impending ceasefire.

    Even more so after Sinai A321 incident, Obama & Putin are working in parallel — together but independently — even as Obama & Co. publicly continue bellicose bluster to CYA.

    The ‘new-world-order’-wanting old world order still wants World War 3 and is desperate to derail prospects for peace. However, see “The Fall of the New World Order” at (especially the audio).

    MusBro boys are universally reviled, laughing-stock scapegoats — soon to be roasted by UN. Netanyahu is hanging by a thin Knesset electoral thread, and The Bear now holds the Sword of Damocles; so, Shalom Shalom & Bye-Bye Bibi. Most pitiful princes & crazy clerics disown the demented Saudi d-ruler (or drooler); so, Salman may soon sleep with the fishes.

    Saudi d-ruler intel & Mubarak/Morsi MusBro intel holdovers (with R-C logistics) were the ‘designated suicide bombers’ in a last-gasp attempt to maintain global chaos & conflict.

    Now, given Secret-Space-Program-related events, a different new world order is dawning…

    • 569021 on November 8, 2015 at 8:04 pm

      Food for thought re. “the Fall of the New World Order” audio. In regards to Canada (as mentioned in the audio), our new LIBERAL finance minister was the president of the C.D Howe Institute in Ottawa. This is a “right wing think tank”. The recently ousted CONSERVATIVE prime minister was a faithful user/follower of right wing think tanks and quoted them often. New puppets but the same ol’ puppet masters? However on a brighter note there is a court case against the Bank of Canada by a group known as COMER (Committee On Monetary and Economic Reform)who are suing the Bank et al for abandoning the Bank of Canada Act in favor of private banking. The Bank of Canada is our national PUBLICLY owned bank. The lame stream media has not been reporting any of this due to a media blackout…gee I wonder who ordered that. So it looks like our “owners” haven’t given up yet.

  14. yankee phil on November 6, 2015 at 12:50 am

    Israel maintains an intelligence presents in the Sinai. Transferring weapons or intel to the groups occupying the region would be easy or mossad could deploy the weapons themselves. If it was a bomb placed on the aircraft at the Egyptian airport then this implies or should I say demonstrates the Egyptian military dictatorships participation in the attack. Russia will be very slow and thorough in its investigative findings,if they ever present the findings to the public it’ll be ironclad proof but perhaps they’ll keep it to themselves,watching who in the west wants an attack on Russian civilians made known,who invested the money and intel to make it happen.

    • DanaThomas on November 6, 2015 at 4:52 am

      As Yankee implies, in communications the Russians are out fishing, playing out the line to the various adverse factions which are just as – or perhaps more – interested in scoring a point over another “western” faction. So we’ll see what type of “fish” get pulled in….

  15. zendogbreath on November 5, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    who profits is right? Like Joseph said, divergences are important. The self contradictions of liars help the rest of us to sort.

    The stingers Joseph mentioned were sold/given to Mujahadeen and their training took place in Virginia. Among their leadership, sponsorship and resident students in Virginia was a number of UBL family members. And the stingers left over never came back to the USSA (not to mention the 7 or 8 figures of dollars they went for).

    I’d not speculate that those stingers were used here. I would guess something else more recently supplied and much more capable was used. McCain was videod last week(?) that supplying rebels in theater with missiles to take down Russian airpower was an option he felt Congress should look at just like the stingers that were used in Afghanistan decades ago.

    • goshawks on November 5, 2015 at 11:00 pm

      The Stinger belongs to a group of shoulder-fired missiles collectively known as ManPads, and designed to take out low-flying jets and helicopters. The Stinger’s operational ceiling is 10,000 feet, waaay below the MetroJet flight’s cruising altitude of 31,000 feet. At this point, I almost think of the story of a Stinger downing this jet is intentional disinformation. Any official source should know the above.

      This is not to say that a ‘Big Brother’ missile may not have been used to down the jetliner. These, however, are much bigger and are not given-out as ‘playthings’. Think of the size of telephone poles, mounted on trucks or tracked vehicles…

  16. Robert Barricklow on November 5, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Again, Cui Bono?
    Why would the West shoot themselves in the foot?
    Or, for that matter Russia?
    Indeed, whoever did this[assuming it was shot down]; then they must have been aiming to shift the blame to someone else. Although the Israeli’s don’t have an exclusive patent on this method, they’re modus operandi signature has been identified in similar ops[although years after the fact]. Liberty?
    Indeed, a third party doing this would be risking the ire of two Heavy Weights. Unless, there was an understanding with one; a tit fir tat.
    It should be interesting to see how many webs are spun-out of this tragedy.
    Whether the truth becomes buried for a better “causi bellis”; or because the loose ends have been effectively cut before the press of the button.
    Drone? New weapon? Accident? Or, just the usual madness?

  17. goshawks on November 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    “Gem Stone” ( has researched and map-measured that the (ahem) War Games were around 40 miles from the shootdown. This is well-within the range of both ground-to-air and air-to-air missiles. (Stinger-type GAM do NOT have the height-capability to reach cruising jetliners.)

    I have personally seen the videos purporting to be of the shootdown, and it is evident that a large explosion occurred in roughly the center of the aircraft. The aircraft initially stayed-together, but there was major damage to fuel tanks as judged by the high volume of black smoke.

    A smaller, infrared-guided AAM would have gone for an engine exhaust, and not had the ‘punch’ for an explosion that big. A larger, radar-guided AAM would have gone for the center of the aircraft and had enough ‘punch’ for that explosion. So would a bomb, although it would have had to have been placed roughly in the wing-join area. Bad news…

  18. marcos anthony toledo on November 5, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    I doubt the Russians are into killing their own people like in the West. The West unfortunately has a long long history of committing such acts. There is no crime they will not commit if it will serve their twisted ends.

    • zendogbreath on November 5, 2015 at 8:06 pm

      if memory serves, Putin is as guilty of false flagging his own occupied apartment buildings as any western oligarchs. among other false flags blamed on and/or employing chechns.

      • Robert Barricklow on November 5, 2015 at 9:44 pm

        David Satter’s,
        Darkness At Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State

      • yankee phil on November 6, 2015 at 5:01 am

        Do tell.

    • LSM on November 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm

      just look at the Stalinist aera to see how many Russians were murdered by their own government

  19. bdw000 on November 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    It is also interesting how the Russian’s approach has so far been “it’s too early to speculate about what caused the crash, lets wait for more evidence.” Compare that to how the west responded to the Malaysian airliner over the Ukraine: demonizing Russia, without any evidence (at least not publicly available), within hours, some say minutes, of the crash.

  20. bdw000 on November 5, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    I have not verified it (nor would I likely be able to!), but there are reports around on the internet that state that the US and Israel were conducting some sort of military “drill” (nudge nudge, wink wink) in southern Israel at the time the Russian plane crashed. Looking on a map, the “drill” forces may have been as close as 20 miles from the Russian plane, which I think might be close enough for modern missiles to take down a lumbering airliner . . . . not sure.

    I’m sure everyone here is aware of how “drills” have been dominating various violent events in recent years.

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