You'll recall that yesterday I blogged about the strange signal emanating from HD164595 which has caught the attention of Russian scientists and also of SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. As I argued yesterday, it was a combination of two factors that seems to have captured their attention: signal strength, and an implied pattern suggestive of intelligence and hence, of a relatively advanced civilization. You'll also recall that I argued that in today's cynical culture, perhaps the best way to "reveal" a story such as this is not to call a press conference and make a "grand announcement," but rather to ensure that the story is leaked in a bureaucratic climate of and culture of secrecy.

And that story, you'll remember, was also a story that originated in Russia in 2015, with the signal's first discovery.

Well, there's more news out of Russia, this time from its online journal Sputnik, and it concerns former NASA engineer Norman Bergrun, who wrote a most fascinating and provocative book in the 1980s called The Ringmakers of Saturn, a book which I referenced in my own book Covert Wars and Clash of Civilizations. If you're not familiar with Bergrun's difficult-to-obtain book, a quick review is in order. In Ringmakers of Saturn, Bergrun reviews a number of photographs of Saturn, and more particularly, of Saturn's rings, and argues - not altogether persuasively in my opinion - that there are gigantic machines of an electromagnetic nature doing something in Saturn's rings, perhaps harvesting debris, or perhaps constructing something.

After publishing the book, Bergrun then went to ground, and little was heard from him or about his book.

Well, according to this article shared by Ms. K.M., he's back, and fleshing out this theory:

NASA Scientist Claims Giant UFOs are ‘Proliferating’ in Saturn’s Rings

As the Sputnik article notes, this is not the first time Bergun has advanced his theory, having done so, of course, previously in Ringmakers of Saturn. However, Sputnik notes a few things about Dr. Bergrun:

So are these the musings of a conspiracy theorist or a disturbed individual?

Dr. Bergun is clearly a brilliant scientist based on his decorated resume with NASA in addition to serving on the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA) and also as an engineer with Lockheed Martin working on some of the nation’s most critical top secret projects. That said, the claims do seem somewhat fantastical, if not speculative, with alternative explanations abound for the phenomenon.(emphasis added)

So what exactly is Bergrun saying now? According to Sputnik it's this:

Dr. Norman Bergrun, a distinguished mechanical engineer at NASA’s Ames Research Center is once again making headlines for his argument that extraterrestrial life exists within the earth’s solar system arguing that UFOs that were first spotted in Saturn’s rings are “proliferating” to other planets that have rings including Uranus and Jupiter. "What I found out is, these things inhabit Saturn, that’s where I first discovered them, and they’re proliferating. You can find them around Uranus and Jupiter. Wherever you see some rings, that’s where I see the aircrafts, I call them a ring maker," explained Dr, Bergrun. "I say that it is electromagnetic because I can identify streamline patterns with respect to it that I knew were what we called 'potential lines' and that says it was electrical," said Dr. Bergrun. “I could tell that those lines demarked the outside of an object."  The scientists argues that the some of the footage near the rings shows "exhaust" emanating from alien aircraft and he warned that things are getting “critical” in deep space as these space ships continue to proliferate throughout the solar system.

What is different here from Bergrun's original claims in his book is that now, apparently, Bergrun has detected similar things around the other gas giants of the outer solar system.
However, it should be noted that in SPutnik's review of his claims, there is other than this, little advancement over his original ideas.
With that in mind, however, the article then ends on a curious note:

It is interesting to note that Dr. Bergrun advanced a similar theory, albeit with much less detail or supporting evidence, in 1986 in his book The Ringmakers of Saturn. If he is to be believed, then the situation is "critical" as the solar system becomes infested with living alien spaceships, and if he is wrong then we all got a chance to imagine something unique for a moment.

In spite of it's non-commital ending, Sputnik first states that the latest Bergrun argument is apparently an advance on his book in that it offers more evidence and detail, yet, it does not review what that detail and supporting evidence are. More importantly, however, it suggests that if Bergrun is correct, then the situation is "critical," and "critical situations", of course, require some sort of response, other than that of "imagining something unique for a moment."
Which brings us to our high octane speculation of the day, for while such bland assurances might be the order of the day at Sputnik, we can be certain that Bergrun's arguments and evidence will be carefully reviewed by Russian intelligence, technology, and science analysts. And that brings us to yesterday's blog, for I suspect that the story about HD164595's unusual signal, and now this story, also from Russia, means that that nation is sending messages, not the least of these being that Russia has been paying attention, and probably knows a lot more than it's saying. But one thing that it is saying is that it knows NASA, and corporations like Lockheed, also know a lot more than they're saying.
Or, to paraphrase the late Lockheed skunk works chief Ben Rich, "we found an error in the equations, and now we have the ability to take ET home..." But given the strange ending to the Sputnik article, perhaps Rich's statements might be amended to read, we found an error in the equations, and now we can zap ET out of the skies if need be..."
See you on the flip side...
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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Kahlypso on September 21, 2016 at 8:46 am

    I love this place..Love it.. love it.. love it..

  2. Yiannis Katospiti on September 9, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Sorry correction: “Pentagon said publish” not NASA – Re:direction given to Dr. Brandenburg on his findings about nuclear devastation on Mars.

  3. Yiannis Katospiti on September 9, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQVSRRW-tA , Lyn Buchanon remote viewer describes some of their projects remote viewing ET bases.

    Dr. John Brandenburg – Secret Space Program , Bastrop , Texas with Dr.JPF
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd6xa5VivaE – Death on Mars. Not too nice out there and the breakaway civilization isn’t going to spill the beans but NASA told Brandenburg to publish findings and no one to date has refuted or debated him on his evidence of a nuclear massacre on Mars. Viking lander missions in 76′ there were two and they sampled the noble gases on Mars and they showed large presence xenon 129 an ear mark isotope for nukes. Weapons signature xenon 129 found only in nuclear weapons grade. A straight nightmare!

  4. duncan mckean on September 7, 2016 at 12:06 am

    its a gas speculating!! .i have had three encounters of the first kind.when i listening to pathological skepticism it’s is kind of like a collection of a few fizzing soda pop cans creating consensus in a stadium full of cheering people.

    • 8thdegreeofj on September 10, 2016 at 1:28 am

      duncan > thanks for posting on this today, dam that was funny! and of course –SO TRUE! Pathological Pop Cans!!

  5. Guygrr on September 6, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    I guess Ben Rich’s statement hinges on what these entities are and where they come from. If they are non corporeal entities, maybe we can banish them and send them home.

  6. goshawks on September 5, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    One thing is in Bergrun’s favor:

    Of all the places to ‘harvest’ useful materials, planetary rings are probably the best. You are on the outer fringes of a planet’s gravity-well, so you are not fighting-out each load from a planet’s surface with great fuel/energy cost. On the other hand, a ring is concentrated ‘stuff’; good for harvesting. The asteroid belt is better gravitationally, but far worse concentration-wise. So, I could see Bergrun’s claim as making sense, in terms of economics…

    The other factor in the equation is LIFE:

    Some scientists are anti-life (ET life), and will do anything to scupper the idea that other life might exist. If they can come-up-with any inorganic-process that mimics life, then – period – life must not exist. Look at the Martian meteor from Antarctica, and look at the Voyager life-experiment findings. It is not framed that you could have life OR you could have some inorganic process. It is framed that if you can come up with an inorganic-process (no matter how improbable), ipso facto, there must not be life. Flawed reasoning…

    On the other hand, of course, there are true ‘false signals’. Yearnings-for-life color the issue. The initial reaction to pulsar ‘beams’ comes to mind.

    Bergrun’s hypothesis is smack on the edge of resolvability in the data, so both camps can come out swinging…

    • goshawks on September 5, 2016 at 9:18 pm

      Whoops: “Viking life-experiment findings.”

  7. Andrea Ashtine on September 5, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    Problem: no matter the number of top secret clearances this man has held, he is now no longer at the peak of his intellectual powers. Search Youtube videos.

    • Roger on September 5, 2016 at 11:26 pm

      Perhaps when you know too much and need to be retired another option to taking them out may be scrambling their brain and inserting a bunch of false memories and information so they can no longer be a security risk if captured.

    • Lost on September 6, 2016 at 8:01 am

      He seems perfectly cogent in the Kerry Cassidy interview, which I guess is now 4 years old.

  8. DownunderET on September 5, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    This one “el strangeO” story. There has to be a lot going on in space that defies what our tiny brains can comprehend. I like to think that whatever IS going on in space is part of an enormous plan set out from the topological metaphor onwards, and once you’ve said that, then all bets are off.

  9. Jon on September 5, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    If the creation/collection of the asteroid belt was indeed a “balancing measure” after the Cosmic War destroyed Tiamat (Krypton?) in the 5th planet orbit, then perhaps the Ringmaker craft are continuing that job, fine tuning the mass/energy balances of the larger planets in the system.

    Larger masses which could be used as moons would work to a point, but maybe rings work better for some things (like a flywheel), or perhaps it is too difficult to “build” a moon out of all the small pieces. Several of the moons in our solar system are “out of place” in that they don’t seem to fit what we think should be in that space (weird tilt, odd orbit, strange size, etc.).

    Perhaps all the climatic fluctuations, ice ages, etc., in the last tens of millions of years have been caused by the destruction of Tiamat disturbing the balance of the system, and we are in a long process of getting back to a proper solar system balance. Perhaps the climatic changes will lessen as the mass/energy system dynamics become more balanced. Otherwise, we may be in for a Maunder minimum type mini ice age in the next decade or so (given the solar quieting data).

    I’ve recently watched the documentary about Mark McCandlish and another long interview with him, and I remain convinced that there is a heck of a lot going on out there. He advanced the concept that one function of chemtrails is to block radar and infrared forms of surveillance – both from Earth out and from “out there” in to Earth – to disguise movements of large vehicles and such.

    • Guygrr on September 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      There was a Russian scientist named Hatybow/Hatybov that described the exact same thing, a robot controlled correction mechanism in our solar system. The higher side chats did a few interviews with crrrow and a native Russian speaker that translated the documents. It’s a very strange story. I recommend giving it a listen. The guy seems like a Tesla kind of mad genius, only problem is he was uneducated and made up his own terms to describe scientific phenomenon.

  10. WalkingDead on September 5, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    There is the occasional Youtube post that shows these same large ships flying under the rings and around the Sun. Smaller versions of these were supposedly seen by several of the Moon landing crew parked in the shadows of crater rims, also. Who knows wait’s on the dark side of the Moon, since high resolutions photo’s are rarely published and most likely doctored when they are, as most of the pictures from space usually tend to be, as you rarely see a star field in the sky.
    David Icke also has publications and presentations about Saturn. I’m not a big Icke fan.
    What would be even more impressive is if these ships were robotic in nature. Gigantic, autonomous mining and manufacturing platforms controlled from one of the moons as a base.

  11. T.J. on September 5, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    NASA’s (belated) disclosure of a giant infrared ring around Saturn obliquely supports Norman Bergrun’s hypotheses. See http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/07oct_giantring (2009).

    Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev’s scalar or electrogravitics-capable telescopes may provide additional information & corroboration for the observed phenomena. See http://tompaladinoscalarenergy.com/nikolai-a-kozyrev-scalar-energy-astrophysicist.

    Relying on alleged up-close-&-personal eyewitnesses of Saturn’s rings, David Wilcock asserts that the rings are a destroyed weapons system — with the “ice crystals” being artifacts of a destroyed electrogravitics-scalar weapon. See http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-super-earth.html.

    As per Wilcock & others, Putin is knowledgeable about the Secret Space Program — and is a primary leader of the “Earth Alliance” challenging “The Cabal.”

  12. sagat1 on September 5, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    A hard back copy will set you back 1200 bucks on Amazon.

    • Lost on September 6, 2016 at 7:58 am

      It’s available free as a PDF.

      And 1200usd is cheap compared to the Bergrun book on the same subject from the early 1970s.

  13. marcos toledo on September 5, 2016 at 10:53 am

    Shades of Ringworld series of Larry Niven though there was a comic strip series in Boys Life. The magazine of the American Boy Scouts that dealt with a inhabited ring around a planet. Looks like Ringmakers of Saturn joins Our Space the Moon as a suppress book on subjects TPTB don’t want circulating among the unwashed masses.

    • marcos toledo on September 6, 2016 at 12:08 am

      correction Our Spaceship The Moon

    • Don B on September 5, 2016 at 8:25 am

      Thanks for that. db

    • mercuriAl on September 5, 2016 at 4:10 pm

      Thank you, Neru.

    • chimera on September 5, 2016 at 5:27 pm

      Thanks Neru!

    • goshawks on September 5, 2016 at 9:12 pm

      Neru, Thanks.

      Note that if you go to just
      there are multiple pdfs there. Such as:

      John E. Brandenburg – Evidence for a Large, Natural Paleo-Nuclear Reactor on Mars (2011, 42nd LPSC)

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